Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 14th November 2010:
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03:27:47  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Bug #810: sprite of airport hangar (2006TTD) @
03:33:28  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Bug #1351: Road tunnel mis-alignment (2006TTD) @
03:35:25  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Bug #1351: Road tunnel mis-alignment (2006TTD) @
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08:51:41  <Brot6> HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Bug #1841 (New): Gmund Mog using wrong sprites? (andythenorth) @
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09:15:18  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #1842 (New): !! Don't forget to reset oil refinery production... (andythenorth) @
09:44:47  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1512:0b74c6d85146: Feature: upgraded graphics for Sand /... (andythenorth) @
09:44:47  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1513:f63f3b40eb9a: Fix: debug storage 0x0A wasn't being ... (andythenorth) @
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10:38:24  * avdg wants to know what happened to the web based configurator
10:38:32  <avdg> seems there is no activity
10:38:54  * planetmaker wants to know that, too
10:39:15  <avdg> If I would do that project, I would change a lot :p
10:39:45  <avdg> <- big difference
10:40:29  <planetmaker> why don't you do it then?
10:40:46  <avdg> I could try
10:41:17  <avdg> php is my best know language anyway
10:42:18  * avdg still needs access to the repo and study the hg tool
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10:59:42  * avdg requests access to repo as developer for project WebOTTD
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11:01:04  <planetmaker> avdg: I'd rather give you a new project. You can clone the existing one for that end
11:01:16  <avdg> thats fine too
11:01:22  <planetmaker> It's bad style to give people write access to repos without contacting the maintainer.
11:01:36  * avdg agrees
11:01:37  <planetmaker> Except you maybe want to talk to him. Maybe he's happy with it.
11:01:48  <planetmaker> That's be even better (IMOH)
11:01:58  <avdg> hmm, I'm not sure if he would come online
11:02:04  <avdg> and not sure how to contact him
11:02:14  <planetmaker> two people working on something jointly is rather bound to succeed than two one-person projects with the same goal
11:02:46  <planetmaker> write an e-mail?
11:02:46  <avdg> but you're definitely right, I have to change the whole project
11:03:06  <planetmaker> besides he's in the IRC channel here
11:04:21  <avdg> hmm *doesn't see him*
11:05:29  <planetmaker> seberoth: avdg likes to co-develop the webottd project with you. Is it ok with you to grant him (also) write access to the repository?
11:05:50  <avdg> <- I have it about this project
11:05:58  <planetmaker> oink
11:06:26  <planetmaker> you stated the wrong name then.
11:06:30  <avdg> seems there are 2 projects
11:06:36  * avdg is now really confused
11:06:36  <planetmaker> that's a different project :-) Yes
11:06:51  <planetmaker> avdg: they exist for the same reason you now start the 3rd ;-)
11:07:28  <avdg> hmm, if I have the permission to copy them, I hope I can refactor some code
11:07:37  <avdg> I'm really lazy in reinventing code :p
11:09:09  <planetmaker> levi's code is under gpl v3
11:09:18  <planetmaker> according to the license within the repo
11:10:29  <avdg> both are
11:10:38  <planetmaker> well then :-)
11:11:16  * avdg should really learn more about licensing
11:11:18  <planetmaker> actually, avdg, it seems that webottd is somewhat 'newer' - but I might err.
11:11:36  <planetmaker> avdg: if both are gpl v3, then you also 'chose' gpl v3 and all is fine
11:11:45  <planetmaker> just keep the original credits (also) around
11:11:46  <seberoth> np
11:11:52  <planetmaker> :-)
11:11:53  <avdg> well, I really don't care about licensing
11:12:08  <avdg> as long everything is fine :p
11:12:10  <planetmaker> avdg: then it's easy: keep the license
11:13:12  <avdg> take 3 :p
11:15:18  * avdg wonders who still uses php4
11:16:50  <Rubidium> RHEL?
11:17:01  <planetmaker> avdg: I added you to
11:20:43  <avdg> pm, did you removed the previous repo?
11:20:55  <planetmaker> no?
11:21:26  <avdg> oh ok
11:21:47  <avdg> looked wrong
11:22:19  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #1843 (New): ML4000 (Voyager1) @
11:29:19  <avdg> pm: is the password on the cli the same as on
11:29:30  <planetmaker> yes
11:29:58  <planetmaker> you push to
11:30:03  <planetmaker>  /projectname
11:30:31  <avdg> yeah, I got that part (including probably some typos)
11:30:46  <planetmaker> :-)
11:32:13  <Brot6> HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Bug #1841 (Closed): Gmund Mog using wrong sprites? (andythenorth) @
11:32:14  <Brot6> HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Revision 505:105def8f76f7: Fix: Gmund Mog was using wrong graphics... (andythenorth) @
11:32:14  <Brot6> HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Bug #1841 (Closed): Gmund Mog using wrong sprites? (andythenorth) @
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11:34:12  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1035:69c293b7d344: Fix (r1006): Don't quote whitespace afer the c... (Alberth) @
11:36:24  <Brot6> HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Revision 506:31e5e8605100: Added tag 0.9.2 for changeset 105def8f76f7 (andythenorth) @
11:37:13  <avdg> nope
11:38:20  <andythenorth> hmm
11:38:28  <andythenorth> I seem to have screwed up the HEQS release :P
11:38:31  <andythenorth> ho hum
11:38:33  <Brot6> heqs: update from 0.9.1 to 0.9.2 done -
11:38:41  <andythenorth> cookies to those who spot the problem
11:39:13  * avdg wants to spot the cookie
11:39:15  <avdg> :p
11:42:16  <avdg> how big is the chance that my account isn't activated yet?
11:44:55  <frosch123> andythenorth: no changelog
11:45:51  <Rubidium> avdg: near 1?
11:46:28  <andythenorth> didn't commit the final change prior to tag, so it's 0.9.2M
11:46:31  <andythenorth> :P
11:46:52  <avdg> 1%? can be
11:48:57  <Rubidium> avdg: if you have to ask, I'm assuming you can't log in. Then I'm assuming you tried to recover your password, but that failed. That means the account is either not created yet, or not activated. As I really doubt the first one, it ought to be a near chance near 1
11:49:18  <avdg> I tried to login on the site, that succeed
11:49:37  <avdg> hmm, activated? lets see
11:51:35  <avdg> is activated (found in the mailarchive)
11:55:56  <planetmaker> working alright, avdg ?
11:56:18  <avdg> hg clone <- right?
11:56:26  <avdg> its still not working here
12:00:41  <Ammler> avdg: clone from works?
12:01:26  <avdg> yep
12:02:44  <Ammler> (I would use that url for clone/pull)
12:02:56  <avdg> hmm, maybe its because I'm using strange symbols in my password
12:03:03  <Ammler> and add default-push to the hgrc with the push url
12:03:52  <Ammler> symbols like?
12:04:21  <avdg> $_-
12:04:49  <Ammler> doesn't look that "strange"
12:05:24  <Ammler> you could use the push url without the credentials and then you add that later (just for a test)
12:05:30  <avdg> I'm now trying an encoded url
12:05:48  <avdg> :D
12:05:58  <avdg> %hex :)
12:06:17  <avdg> (so yes, it was a typo)
12:07:26  * avdg is eating
12:11:18  <Ammler> I don't see typos in the logs, just 401 :-)
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12:58:06  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #1842 (Closed): !! Don't forget to reset oil refinery product... (andythenorth) @
12:58:06  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1514:cea0fa9148b3: Change: mark icons for cargos that ar... (andythenorth) @
12:58:06  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1515:a1c196b2cf2c: Feature: cargo is no longer 'lost' at... (andythenorth) @
12:58:07  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #1842 (Closed): !! Don't forget to reset oil refinery product... (andythenorth) @
12:59:12  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #1056 (Closed): Input cargo discarded for low input values (andythenorth) @
13:04:21  <andythenorth> planetmaker: can this be closed?
13:04:55  <planetmaker> closed. yes
13:05:19  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #1565 (Closed): cotton in arctic? (planetmaker) @
13:05:24  <andythenorth> thanks
13:05:56  <planetmaker> oh, no, thank you :-)
13:09:39  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #806 (Rejected): Primary production callback code ought t... (andythenorth) @
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13:41:38  <avdg1> hmm hg not smart enough for file movement detections?
13:42:03  <planetmaker> avdg1: hg move
13:42:06  <planetmaker> or hg rename
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13:42:25  <planetmaker> doing it in your file browser of course won't help it
13:42:25  <avdg1> yeah, but I have now a very large diff for only moving files
13:42:32  <planetmaker> well. yes
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13:42:44  <planetmaker> you get that. And it's correct
13:43:23  <avdg1> k
13:44:01  <avdg1> lets see :)
13:44:32  <avdg1> first commit :)
13:44:40  <Ammler> redmine doesn't support file moves, but hg should
13:44:53  <Brot6> WebOTTD - Revision 6:77ba24935d83: Change: moving web related files to htdocs/ (avdg) @
13:46:07  <Ammler> avdg1: if you at cleanup, move backup.push to .devzone
13:46:31  <planetmaker> wohoo :-)
13:47:01  <avdg1> ammler: give me a reason to do it :) (just curious)
13:47:26  <planetmaker> backups to 3rd-party repo in case of server failure
13:47:52  <Ammler> backup.push at root is depreciated
13:48:00  <avdg1> is that a file or a dir? :) (ok, I'm asking too much)
13:48:12  <Ammler> .devzone is a dir
13:48:18  <avdg1> k
13:48:31  <Ammler>
13:53:58  <Brot6> WebOTTD - Revision 7:81a1a5925308: Change: moving backup.push to .devzone (avdg) @
13:56:18  <Ammler> avdg1: what didn't you get from [14:48] <Ammler> .devzone is a dir
13:56:55  <Ammler> :-P
13:56:59  <avdg1> hm?
13:57:39  * avdg1 blames repo requirements :p
13:58:08  <Ammler> maybe you should review your commits before you push ;-)
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14:09:30  <avdg1> hmm, what is the commit style for commit references in hg?
14:10:07  <planetmaker> see the guide lines ;-)
14:10:27  <avdg1> is that number before the : enough?
14:11:27  <planetmaker>
14:11:44  <avdg1> yeah, found that already ;-)
14:11:59  <Ammler> either rNUM or commit:HASH
14:12:08  <avdg1> ty
14:12:53  <planetmaker> I didn't know commit:HASH ;-)
14:13:19  <Ammler> we don't work with hashes on the devzone, so no need to know :-)
14:13:29  <Brot6> WebOTTD - Revision 8:39deb789c7fe: Add: hg and git ignore files (avdg) @
14:13:29  <Brot6> WebOTTD - Revision 9:edd5e8132e4b: Fix (r7): moving backup.push to the right place (avdg) @
14:13:30  <avdg1> :)
14:14:03  <Ammler> you like to move to git?
14:14:36  <Ammler> Then we need support to implement git support on the server :-)
14:15:00  <avdg1> well I have more experience with git than svn, and more experience with svn than hg :)
14:15:27  <Ammler> well, all experience with svn does help for hg
14:15:43  <Ammler> git is special
14:16:57  <Ammler> hg has bookmarks to support git branches
14:17:34  <Ammler> is there something from git to support svn/hg branches?
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14:17:50  <avdg1> I bet there isn't
14:18:14  <Ammler> so you "branch" to a new repo?
14:19:16  <avdg1> in git?
14:19:24  <Ammler> yes
14:19:40  <avdg1> you just create a branch, end of story :p
14:19:59  <Alberth> hg branch mynewbranch; hg commit
14:20:02  <Ammler> well, I mean branches like you have in svn or hg
14:20:05  <avdg1> you only have a new commit object that refers to a commit from trunk or other branch
14:21:51  <Alberth> Ammler: git and hg are very similar in capabilities, git just makes things more complicated by adding zillions of flags imho
14:22:08  <Ammler> Alberth: git has no branches afaik
14:22:17  <Ammler> like you have in svn or hg
14:22:29  <avdg1> nope, everything is a commit object in git
14:22:37  <Alberth> it has, creating and switching is just a nightmare
14:23:01  <Ammler> the git branches are like hg bookmarks, afaik
14:23:27  <Ammler> (automoving tags :-)
14:25:40  <Alberth> euhm, ok, not sure how such differences are useful to know
14:27:03  <Ammler> it makes using hg client almost impoosible to use for git repos
14:27:58  <Ammler> tried hg-git for cargodist...
14:34:47  * avdg1 wonders if hg also has stashes
14:36:29  <Alberth> what are they?
14:36:39  <avdg1> a stack for patches
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14:36:51  <Alberth> oh, it's called MQ
14:36:58  <Alberth> hg help mq
14:37:11  <avdg> ah :)
14:37:24  <Alberth> VERY useful :)
14:37:27  <avdg> very usefull help through -_
14:38:13  <Alberth> each command also has help
14:38:39  <Alberth> hmm, perhaps you need to enable the extension first?
14:38:46  <Alberth> I don't remember :p
14:38:46  <avdg> yeah
14:41:16  <Alberth>  <-- my extensions in ~/.hgrc
14:41:17  <Webster> Title: Viewing Paste #63720 (at
14:41:57  <avdg> hmm, thats very helpfull :)
14:45:56  <Alberth> revert = --all --no-backup  <-- that is a dangerous setting, revert will revert everything without making backups
14:46:03  <frosch123> <- just for the record :)
14:46:04  <Webster> Title: The Real Difference Between Mercurial and Git / Steve Losh (at
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16:13:30  <avdg> hmm, what should I do with the copyright included in the code?
16:14:05  <Ammler> not gpl?
16:14:28  <Ammler> avdg: you wanna a bouncer account?
16:15:15  <Terkhen> that git/hg picture is very accurate :D
16:15:21  <avdg> you can't ask it at a more worst moment :)
16:15:35  <Ammler> I ask because of that
16:15:45  <avdg> but to answer the question, I like to, but lets fix first some code :p
16:16:10  <Ammler> you seem to have a quite unstable irc connection
16:16:23  <avdg> ammler: such copyrighttext like this:
16:16:36  <avdg> these aren't included in every file
16:16:58  <Ammler> yes, gpl
16:17:27  <avdg> just in random files
16:22:16  <avdg> its maybe better to ask seboroth, but I like it a bit shorter and reduce spaces like the copyright in the openttd files
16:24:45  <Ammler> or just license the whole project with gpl
16:24:59  <Ammler> then you don't need to care about every single file
16:26:43  <avdg> I think I keep at the current one for now, through the comment may be revised  (and then its better to talk with seberoth)
16:28:06  <planetmaker> nah, just leave the copyright notices in the files
16:28:23  <planetmaker> it's good means to make sure it is kept even if people 'steal' the project
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16:41:49  <avdg> something like
16:42:03  <avdg> but I still don't know about lines 6 and 7
16:42:25  <planetmaker> you mean the name and webpage?
16:42:33  <avdg> yeah
16:43:05  <planetmaker> add (c) 2010 avdg and the devzone's link, based on... (original lines)
16:44:43  <avdg> same link
16:44:47  <avdg> such as this?
16:45:34  <Ammler> the link doesn't work, so you can replace it with the devzone line
16:45:37  <Ammler> link*
16:46:16  <Yexo>  * along with Foobar.  If not, <- you missed one Foobar there
16:46:39  <avdg> foobar?
16:46:53  <Yexo> last line with actual text
16:47:01  <Yexo> it should read "along with WebOTTD"
16:47:11  <avdg> :D
16:47:58  <Yexo>  * Copyright (c) 2010
16:47:58  <Yexo>  <- that is a bit strange imo, an url can't hold any copyright
16:49:13  <avdg> hmm, omit it? :p
16:49:28  <Yexo> imo that is better than this
16:49:33  <planetmaker> avdg: copyright holder is you
16:49:49  <planetmaker> and this other person
16:50:21  <avdg> yeah, I better wait for his permission
16:50:37  <planetmaker> well, you got it, didn't you?
16:50:56  <Yexo> why not go with what planetmaker suggested at first? leave his line in place and add your own "Copyright (c) 2010 avdg" line to it?
16:51:31  * avdg wouldn't like it license it on his name
16:52:06  <avdg> then you get the other me you don't like :p
16:52:48  <planetmaker> eh?
16:52:56  <Ammler> you can't license something on a name of someone else
16:53:03  <planetmaker> you cannot remove his name
16:53:11  <Ammler> but you can remove the link
16:53:16  <planetmaker> yes
16:53:24  <avdg> so thats a no-go
16:53:41  <planetmaker> he worked on it. You have to give him credit
16:53:45  <planetmaker> or not use it
16:54:00  <avdg> kk, I keep his name on the license
16:54:07  <planetmaker> and you have to indicate that you changed his stuff. so you have to add your name ;-)
16:54:21  <avdg> but the link is broken, so I think its better to be removed
16:54:29  <planetmaker> yes
16:54:45  <planetmaker> add the current link, the devzone's project's page
16:56:12  <avdg> <- like this?
16:57:46  <planetmaker> I'd add one line between 1 and 2: Copyright (c) 2010 avdg
17:04:53  <avdg> k, time for fixing the files
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17:13:07  <Brot6> nml: update from r1034 to r1035 done -
17:21:14  <Brot6> firs: update from r1511 to r1515 done (3 errors) -
17:22:22  <Brot6> heqs: update from r504 to r506 done -
17:23:01  <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: 2cctrainset (r651), 32bpp-extra (r39), ai-admiralai (r75), airportsplus (r69), basecosts (r22), belarusiantowns (r7), comic-houses (r71), fish (r415), frenchtowns (r4), grfcodec (r788), indonesiantowns (r38), manindu (r5), metrotrackset (r56), newgrf_makefile (r232), nml (r1035), nutracks (r117), ogfx-trains (r90), ogfx-trees (r41), opengfx (r554), openmsx (r97), opensfx (r97), smts (r19),
17:23:01  <Brot6> snowlinemod (r45), swedishrails (r188), swisstowns (r21), transrapidtrackset (r15), ttdviewer (r26), ttrs (r23), worldairlinersset (r667)
17:29:48  <Brot6> Following repos rebuilds successful without any difference to earlier nightlies builds: airportsplus (Diffsize: 6), belarusiantowns (3 errors) (Diffsize: 21), frenchtowns (4 errors) (Diffsize: 9), indonesiantowns (5 errors) (Diffsize: 2), manindu, ogfx-trains (1 errors), swedishrails (Diffsize: 6), swisstowns
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17:43:51  <Ammler> kde is using redmine too now
17:44:06  <Ammler> they made some interesting patches
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18:28:26  <Terkhen> planetmaker: <--- is this a known issue?
18:29:04  <planetmaker> no
18:29:11  <planetmaker> well. now :-)
18:31:31  <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Bug #1844 (New): flatbed wagon: paper shown as wood logs (planetmaker) @
18:31:34  <Terkhen> that's my paper train #23 and I have only noticed now... it is probably hard to spot because they tend to run in lines with trains carrying wood
18:31:35  <Brot6> Terkhen: #23 is "2cc train set - Bug #23: invalid speudo sprites - #openttdcoop Development Zone"
18:31:57  <planetmaker> he :-)
18:32:30  <planetmaker> probably somewhere a wrong default or so... Or I guess no graphics and wood is the default
18:32:39  <planetmaker> which is, granted, quite ugly :-)
18:32:43  <planetmaker> I need containers for that
18:32:51  <V453000> ultimate refit? :)
18:32:57  <planetmaker> and they're not implemented. So most likely less of a bug than a missing feature
18:33:12  <planetmaker> nah, it's just a graphical issue.
18:34:45  <V453000> :)
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18:57:45  <Brot6> WebOTTD - Revision 10:a0b0edaf81b4: Change/Fix: Added/Updated inline copyright (avdg) @
19:16:44  <Brot6> 32bpp-ez-patches: update from r21176 to r21193 done -
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