Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 1st December 2010:
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00:35:22  <Brot6> hello
00:35:49  <Brot6> Mäh
00:41:30  <avdg> hmm, already 2am here
00:48:36  <Ammler> !date
00:48:40  <Ammler> !time
00:51:18  <Brot6> Wed Dec  1 00:51:18 UTC 2010
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07:24:50  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature #1959 (New): toyland road vehicles (planetmaker) @
07:28:40  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Bug #1960 (New): shorter rail wagons (planetmaker) @
07:29:58  <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Road Vehicles - Bug #1961 (New): Updated sprites for toyland trucks (planetmaker) @
07:32:41  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature #1962 (New): Updated arctic engines (planetmaker) @
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09:42:07  <Terkhen> those toyland trucks are really nice :)
09:56:58  <Terkhen> planetmaker: the bulk wagon handles SWET in its capacity_switch, but it is not able to carry sweets
10:14:35  <planetmaker> Hm, maybe that might need changing. What do you think? Or remove it?
10:17:20  <Terkhen> sweets are a cargo with high payment, I don't picture them being transported in bulk
10:17:23  <Terkhen> I would remove them
10:18:43  <Terkhen> s/them/it/
10:23:31  <Terkhen> hmm... do you have any 2CC sprites? should I implement the toyland sprites as 1CC or 2CC?
10:25:02  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Bug #1960: shorter rail wagons (Ammler) @
10:26:03  <Terkhen> 2CC makes sense if we aspire to get 2CC sprites for all vehicles, otherwise I would keep them as 1CC
10:34:37  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Bug #1960: shorter rail wagons (planetmaker) @
10:35:01  <planetmaker> <Terkhen> I would remove them (=sweets) <-- ok
10:35:18  <planetmaker> I do have 2CC sprites in OpenGFX+Trains. Look at the goods containers
10:35:28  <planetmaker> but they're the only ones so far.
10:35:36  <planetmaker> Vehicles will be 2CC, too. Partially
10:35:56  <planetmaker> I guess I'll use there the same scheme as with the goods containers: 1/3 CC, 1/3 2CC, 1/3 random colour
10:36:32  <planetmaker> But using 2CC is a bit troublesome... I don't want to supply 256 recolour sprites ;-)
10:39:37  <Terkhen> hmm...
10:40:00  <planetmaker> But, if you want 2CC show as just that, 2CC: just use it. That's how I handle it
10:40:21  <planetmaker> I have sprites fully 2CC only, fully CC only.
10:40:25  <Terkhen> I suggest we pick this discussion again once I understand how 2CC works exactly :)
10:40:25  <planetmaker> Thus I can choose.
10:40:41  <planetmaker> 2CC works simple: set the flag "uses 2CC" and you're done
10:40:48  <planetmaker> vehicle_flags or similar
10:41:05  <Terkhen> hmm... that's what I thought; I got lost at the random colour parts
10:41:09  <planetmaker> :-)
10:41:14  <planetmaker> Sorry
10:41:24  <planetmaker> Just activate 2cc in the properties and all is done
10:41:24  <Terkhen> I guess that you can also decide the 2CC in some way instead of letting the game decide via the 2CC flag?
10:41:50  <planetmaker> well. That's the tricky thing: yes, in principle. But then supply the 256 recolour sprites
10:41:58  <Terkhen> scary :)
10:42:08  <planetmaker> yeah. I don't feel right now like doing that ;-)
10:42:13  <planetmaker> Varying CC is enough
11:02:59  <Ammler> the redmine upgrade enbled on every project Gantt and Calender Tab
11:03:09  <planetmaker> hm
11:04:16  <planetmaker> abort: error: error:140770FC:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:unknown protocol
11:04:16  <planetmaker>  <-- what is that?
11:04:42  <Ammler> how do you get it?
11:04:57  <planetmaker> default-push =
11:05:02  <planetmaker> and then hg push
11:05:10  <Ammler> port 22?
11:05:19  <planetmaker> oh. uhm ;-)
11:05:24  <Ammler> where do we have that?
11:05:45  <planetmaker> I have / had that here as my default ports for ssh are different
11:05:52  <Brot6> Nutracks - Revision 118:0a6816f8db01: Fix: [Makefile] Consistently update to Makefile r236, also ... (planetmaker) @
11:05:55  <planetmaker> and changed it insufficiently
11:06:23  <Ammler> planetmaker: you might also try ~/.ssh/config
11:06:56  <planetmaker> No such file or directory ;-)
11:07:18  <Ammler> yes, if you would have one, you wouldn't need to care about ports anymore ;-)
11:07:57  <planetmaker> not? How would it know the correct port?
11:08:09  <planetmaker> Configuring each host separately maybe
11:08:45  <planetmaker> if that is possible at all
11:09:07  <planetmaker> changing the port in /etc/ssh/ssh_config is not an option ;-)
11:09:25  <Ammler> Host
11:09:27  <Ammler> Port 1234
11:09:28  <Ammler> User root
11:10:04  <Ammler> or whatever custom configs you have
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11:17:36  <Ammler> <-- those trees on north looks a bit silly with that black trunk
11:19:46  <planetmaker> hm, not sure. I think it can be ok and even realistic ;-)
11:46:45  <Brot6> WebOTTD - Revision 65:626c0fd9f620: Change: Make more strings translatable and reorganise the tra... (avdg) @
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12:22:09  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1560:da84859b46dc: Feature: reduce production level at F... (andythenorth) @
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15:21:53  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1963 (New): Consider Fibre Crops cargo classes (andythenorth) @
15:29:40  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #1964 (New): Clay Pit - small gatehouse building flickering (andythenorth) @
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17:08:16  <dih> hello hello hello
17:08:18  <dih> :-)
17:18:29  <Brot6> firs: update from r1559 to r1560 done (1 errors) -
17:18:45  <Brot6> nutracks: update from r117 to r118 done (1 errors) -
17:19:05  <Brot6> ogfx-rv: update from r57 to r58 done (1 errors) -
17:19:11  <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: 2cctrainset (r684), 32bpp-extra (r39), ai-admiralai (r75), airportsplus (r69), basecosts (r22), belarusiantowns (r7), bros (r34), comic-houses (r71), fish (r423), frenchtowns (r5), grfcodec (r811), heqs (r547), indonesiantowns (r38), manindu (r5), metrotrackset (r56), newgrf_makefile (r236), nml (r1047), ogfx-trains (r195), ogfx-trees (r41), opengfx (r559), openmsx (r97), opensfx (r97),
17:19:11  <Brot6> smts (r19), snowlinemod (r45), swedishrails (r188), swisstowns (r21), transrapidtrackset (r15), ttdviewer (r26), ttrs (r23), worldairlinersset (r669)
17:19:32  <Brot6> indonesiantowns: compile of r38 still failed (#1873) -
17:29:32  <Ammler> sali dih dih dih
19:01:46  <Ammler> does nml support industries btw?
19:02:13  <Ammler> just thinking, if I shall convert the lumber mill to opengfx+ :-)
19:02:40  <Brot6> 32bpp-ez-patches: update from r21362 to r21366 done (2 errors) -
19:05:02  <Brot6> clientpatches: update from r21362 to r21366 done -
19:05:29  <Ammler> he, new cf is a bit faster :-)
19:05:37  <Ammler> around 5 times
19:06:16  <Brot6> #openttdcoop Server Patch Pack - Bug #1965 (New): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @
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19:15:55  <planetmaker> moin
19:18:46  <frosch123> Ammler: there is mi2, so lm2 should be easy :)
19:22:30  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1561:605a05130be5: Add: template for spacing out industr... (andythenorth) @
19:22:30  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1562:dc28500481c2: Add: template for always allowing pla... (andythenorth) @
19:27:03  <dih> ODM, ping :-)
19:27:05  <Ammler> frosch123: well, lm2 would have graphics
19:27:34  <planetmaker> a dih !
19:27:40  <dih> where?
19:27:41  <Rubidium> hmm, the three weeks have passed already?
19:27:46  <dih> :-P
19:28:05  <Ammler> planetmaker: s/a/oh/
19:28:33  <Ammler> or "oh, a dih" :-)
19:28:37  <frosch123> what, lm has graphics?
19:29:00  <Ammler> no, but lm2 would have
19:31:02  <Ammler>
19:31:04  <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums • View topic - Lumber Mill 1.0 (2008-11-20) (at
19:44:15  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1563:cf9bb6ecc917: Change: restructure templates used by... (andythenorth) @
19:44:15  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1564:96d3f3152ea2: Change: refactor IDs and use template... (andythenorth) @
19:44:15  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1565:e8f7cc3b961d: Change: refactor IDs and use template... (andythenorth) @
19:49:03  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1566:2672582cfcfd: Change: refactor IDs and use template... (andythenorth) @
19:53:22  <DJNekkid> what do i do when i have hg up'ed to something, and when i hg tip, and then hg commit i get an error with that i need to hg resolve, then i hg resolve --all, and i get:
19:53:35  <DJNekkid> hg resolve --all
19:53:35  <DJNekkid> merging sprites/nfo/2cctrainset.pnfo
19:53:35  <DJNekkid> warning: conflicts during merge.
19:53:35  <DJNekkid> merging sprites/nfo/2cctrainset.pnfo failed!
19:53:51  <DJNekkid> how is that fixed? :(
19:54:58  <DJNekkid> clone a new repo and copy over everything? :P
19:55:30  <planetmaker> fix the conflict within the files mentioned
19:56:05  <planetmaker> that is nasty manual work as you need to make sure that it contains after your fixing the correct, wanted version
19:56:11  <planetmaker> and not the old, not-wanted one
19:56:46  <planetmaker> but then... the parts in question often are indicated by >>>>>>> blubber ========== blah <<<<<<<<<<<<
19:57:07  <DJNekkid> in the mentioned file?
19:57:15  <planetmaker> sure
19:57:37  <planetmaker> and then you have subsequently mark the conflict within that file as resolved:
19:57:46  <Ammler> DJNekkid: if you don't want to merge, you should simply strip/revert your local files
19:58:04  <planetmaker> hg resolve -m filename
19:58:25  <planetmaker> Ammler: that might not always be the option you want
19:58:40  <planetmaker> expecially if the changes make sense.
19:58:57  <Ammler> planetmaker: notice the "if you don't want to merge"
19:59:17  <planetmaker> then a true merge is needed which needs careful consideration of code from both parts. And a way to combine that
19:59:53  <planetmaker> so, andythenorth you want parameter-based running and purchase cost for HEQS, right?
20:05:35  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Revision 685:5b92aa5d45fd: Add: AGV template, plus the AGV (DJNekkid) @
20:06:28  <Ammler> planetmaker: if you are at it, a parameter to disable the trams would be nice too
20:07:27  <Ammler> why do they need to be in same set anyway?
20:08:31  <andythenorth> planetmaker: yes
20:08:42  <andythenorth> Ammler: it's a valid question
20:08:48  <andythenorth> but not for 1.0 :P
20:08:52  <planetmaker> I don't really think ^
20:09:03  <planetmaker> No one is forced to use the 3(?)
20:09:17  <andythenorth> apparently HEQS is a problem for AIs :(
20:09:21  <andythenorth> planetmaker: running and purchase costs separate?
20:09:26  <planetmaker> yes
20:09:29  <andythenorth> or can they be just one parameter?
20:09:48  <planetmaker> They could. But then auto-config wrt other sets will fail
20:10:04  <planetmaker> btw... should auto-config or normal be the default?
20:10:12  <andythenorth> normal
20:10:13  <andythenorth> I thnk
20:10:20  <planetmaker> hm, ok
20:10:24  <andythenorth> I don't yet trust the auto-config idea, sorry :P
20:10:25  <Ammler> planetmaker: there are not many, that is why a parameter to disable is better as making a sep. grf
20:10:38  <andythenorth> Ammler: twice the number of releases
20:10:41  <andythenorth> so no
20:10:42  <Ammler> but you need to disable those if you for example use trolleybus
20:10:47  <planetmaker> andythenorth: auto-config is easy: just check for a set. And use the values which _I_ find that they match up
20:10:59  <andythenorth> what happens if you find two sets?
20:11:06  <andythenorth> does it depend on grf order?
20:11:12  <Ammler> also I guess, there was a valid request on tt-forums today?
20:11:19  <planetmaker> i.e. it means to set the values which I think are appropriate. If two are found it will adopt to the last one checked
20:12:25  <andythenorth> well....if you're happy that it works automatically, go for it :P
20:12:40  <andythenorth> I wonder if it's unpredictable magic :D
20:12:46  <planetmaker> it is ;-)
20:13:32  <Ammler> Rubidium: do you still need stats from ps and stable server?
20:15:46  <Rubidium> nope
20:16:13  <Rubidium> you can unpatch them, although no need to restart the servers to stop logging though :)
20:17:03  <Ammler> ok, well, the stable stats are gone anyway :-)
20:42:45  <planetmaker> he... my action14 seems to be wrong. I got an OOM with OpenTTD ;-)
20:43:03  <planetmaker> when trying to add the newgrf.
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20:52:22  <Hirundo> OOM sounds like a bug in openttd as well, that shouldn't be possible
20:59:49  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1567:3cc8d1a177c3: Change: refactor mines / forests / fa... (andythenorth) @
20:59:49  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1568:b855b9380a61: Change: refactor secondary industry t... (andythenorth) @
21:00:59  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1569:3d156f525e40: Add: template to make sure cb28 varac... (andythenorth) @
21:17:55  <Brot6> Snowline mod - Feature #1966 (New): Translations (planetmaker) @
21:21:39  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Bug #1954: grf output with translations is non-deterministic (yexo) @
21:22:31  <Yexo> Hirundo: it's possible with a buggy newgrf
21:22:38  <Yexo> you can also create an infinite loop
21:23:24  <Hirundo> action7/9 loop, you mean?
21:23:36  <Yexo> yes. I think I can fill the complete engine pool with only 3 actions
21:23:41  <Yexo> maybe 4
21:24:10  <Hirundo> action8, action3, action9?
21:24:26  <Yexo> I didn't count the action8
21:25:13  <Yexo> 8, 10 (to set a label for action 9), 6 (to set the id), 0, (don't think 3 is needed, but maybe), D (to increase the id), 9 <- so actually 6
21:26:09  <Yexo> but an OOM with only an action14 shouldn't be possible
21:27:20  <planetmaker> for the curious ones
21:28:11  <planetmaker> that <-- and that
21:28:29  <planetmaker> hm... it couldn't allocat 1GB :-O
21:30:07  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1570:01cbfb62c47d: Feature: Arable Farm tries to not loc... (andythenorth) @
21:30:07  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1571:ec76b19d03a0: Feature: industries that process grai... (andythenorth) @
21:39:59  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1026: Minimum distance between industries in same chain (andythenorth) @
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21:57:51  <planetmaker> Yexo: do you want an account on the bouncer here?
21:58:10  <Yexo> that is a good idea
21:58:14  <Yexo> yes please :)
21:58:39  <planetmaker> yexo or Yexo?
21:58:43  <Yexo> windows didn't react anymore, it still showed mouse movements but didn't update anything else
21:58:44  <Yexo> Yexo
21:59:09  <Yexo> might be related to the fact that I just started a debug build in msvc with that malicious grf
22:01:17  <planetmaker> he :-)
22:01:28  <planetmaker> it has too many 00 in the action14, I think
22:01:37  <planetmaker> between 1st and 2nd parameter declaration
22:01:48  <planetmaker> and wrong references in the MASK
22:02:20  <Yexo> it shouldn't crash/oom on that
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22:25:00  <Ammler> Yexo, you also need to enable/set some modules, nothing is set per default
22:25:16  <Yexo> which ones should I enable?
22:25:24  <Ammler> check motd :-)
22:25:25  <Yexo> clearbufferonmsg is already one
22:25:31  <Ammler> chanserver
22:25:38  <Ammler> a*
22:25:48  <Ammler> away with -notimer
22:25:57  <Ammler> or with timer, up to you
22:27:05  <Yexo> <*away> Unable to find buffer <- no idea what that means
22:27:17  <Ammler> if you use more than one client, reply_route
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22:28:39  <Ammler> you need to give a password to crypt the away bffer
22:29:25  <Ammler> so in the textfield e.g. "-notimer password"
22:31:23  <Yexo> I keep getting: Failed to decrypt your saved messages - Did you give the right encryption key as an argument to this module?
22:32:02  <Ammler> hmm
22:32:09  <Ammler> did you have a account earlier?
22:33:54  <Yexo> no
22:34:10  <Ammler> do /msg *away delete all
22:34:15  <Yexo> nevermind, I got it
22:34:45  <Yexo> first time I tried "-notimer" as argument, that didn't work. so I tried "notimer", which apparently set the password to "notimer"
22:35:02  <Ammler> hehe
22:35:22  <Ammler> password is required
22:36:07  <Yexo> does the password matter? I can't find a way to change it
22:36:16  <Yexo> the password for away
22:36:58  <Ammler> well, not really
22:37:18  <Ammler> it just uses that to crypt the away msg on the disk
22:37:40  <Ammler> I guess, you could change it, if you delete all msg
22:38:14  <Yexo> that didn't work
22:38:28  <Yexo> but it seems it's not important anyway, so I'll jsut leave it
22:39:28  <Ammler> yes, that only is needed, if someone does pm you, while you are away
22:39:35  <Yexo> only one question left: can I force the bouncer to leave irc for a while?
22:39:43  <Ammler> so you can reply that with /msg *away show all
22:39:47  <Yexo> say when I'm going on holiday
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22:40:34  <Yexo> ah, just leave all channels
22:40:44  <Ammler> mäh
22:40:46  <Ammler> /znc help
22:41:19  <Ammler> /znc disconnect might do the trick
22:41:24  <Yexo> ok, thanks :)
22:43:08  <Ammler> and on the webif, you should then unmark the Autoconnect
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