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00:09:13 <Brot6> WebOTTD - Revision 72:37984ef32a88: Codechange: sort the parameters of method _flattenList() in c... (avdg) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/webottd/repository/revisions/37984ef32a88 00:30:58 *** nurse_me has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 00:30:58 *** nurse_me has left #openttdcoop.devzone 01:06:13 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 01:17:41 *** thgergo has quit IRC 02:20:19 *** Lakie has quit IRC 02:20:41 *** Lakie has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 03:12:50 *** Lakie has quit IRC 05:32:27 <Brot6> Bundles Update: gfab37ef5 2010-12-07 cargodist (http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/cargodist) 06:35:41 *** fanioz has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 07:39:44 * avdg wonders why his project contains .svn directories 07:42:26 *** fanioz has quit IRC 07:43:07 *** fanioz has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 08:01:48 <Brot6> WebOTTD - Revision 73:1790a235ecfe: Change: remove unwanted .svn file (avdg) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/webottd/repository/revisions/1790a235ecfe 08:14:12 <dih> avdg, perhaps it once a svn repository was used and the conversion did not remove those folders? 08:15:14 <avdg> donno 08:41:00 *** fanioz has quit IRC 08:41:36 *** fanioz has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 08:50:10 <dih> Ammler: http://www.redmine.org/boards/3/topics/14348 :-) 08:50:12 <Webster> Title: Redmine - Hudson Plugin 1.0.5 - Redmine (at www.redmine.org) 08:50:46 <dih> http://www.r-labs.org/wiki/r-labs/Hudson_En/ 08:50:48 <Webster> Title: r-labs - Hudson En - Redmine (at www.r-labs.org) 08:50:54 <dih> 1.0.6.1 08:55:23 <dih> you probably have to remove the current plugin and install the new one :-P 08:57:11 *** Suzari has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 08:57:17 <Suzari> Hiyo! 08:58:02 <dih> hi 08:58:14 <Suzari> Anyone here running Infrastructure sharing? 08:58:34 <planetmaker> not that I know 08:58:39 <planetmaker> not recently 08:58:40 <dih> perhaps in #openttd 08:58:50 <planetmaker> and the "updated" patch was done by someone else 08:59:28 <Suzari> Mhmm. Thank you. Just trying to figure out which version of OpenTTD I should run and what to watch out for :) 08:59:57 <planetmaker> patches always indicate the version they're made for. 09:00:11 <planetmaker> in MP you can only join a server if you have the very same version with the very same patches 09:00:17 <dih> i thought IS had it's own binaries built? 09:00:26 <planetmaker> well. A year ago :-) 09:00:34 <planetmaker> It still has, though, probably 09:00:35 <dih> is there a newer version? :-P 09:00:39 <planetmaker> But the repo is not updated ;-) 09:00:45 <dih> hehe 09:01:12 <Suzari> -grin- 09:01:16 <planetmaker> And some half-competent person "updated" the thing recently 09:01:26 <Suzari> so I should stick with IS 2.1.1? 09:01:27 <planetmaker> I'd not bet my life on the quality of that patch, though 09:01:38 <planetmaker> Dunno, I haven't tested it. 09:01:41 <Suzari> XD 09:02:02 <Suzari> Sorry, I'm just rather new to this OpenTTD thing and had a friend get hooked on it 09:02:02 <planetmaker> I'd not bet my life on the quality of my own patches either :-P 09:02:11 <planetmaker> bugs happen 09:02:38 <Suzari> I'm the major railbuilder so I wanted to find some way to have him roll on and off my stations/rails 09:03:07 <planetmaker> Well. For the new versions you have to compile yourself, probably. (Or are binaries posted there?) 09:03:19 <V453000> Suzari: just play for one company together :P 09:03:26 <planetmaker> ^ indeed 09:03:36 <Suzari> But that means one loan! XD 09:04:03 <planetmaker> cheat yourself more money. 09:04:09 <planetmaker> and then load that map 09:04:31 <Suzari> I kind of agree with you, honestly, but some of my friends like the idea of a company per person and "competition" 09:04:38 <planetmaker> besides: build two planes, let them run between distant towns and you have money in no time 09:04:41 <Suzari> Thank you for the update. 09:04:53 <Suzari> The money isn't really a problem, honestly :) 09:04:55 <planetmaker> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/is2/ <-- old binaries 09:04:58 <Suzari> it's more the spirit. 09:05:03 <Suzari> I had found those, but thanks. 09:05:16 <V453000> you can have way much more fun without IS imo 09:05:23 <V453000> but that is up to you :) 09:05:35 <Suzari> oh, how so? 09:06:23 <V453000> the main point is - when you play with IS, you can not develop things, junctions, mechanisms, whatever together - always the author modifies it. One of super amazing things about coop is that you are getting better because you improve with each other 09:06:35 <Suzari> -nodnod- 09:06:43 <V453000> which is also the reason why our community is so good, after all :) 09:06:53 <Suzari> Sadly, neither of the two people I included are used to rail building yet, or in any advanced matter :) 09:07:45 <Suzari> I just liked the idea of having companies "rent" rails as I build and having different companies working together, like Real Life. 09:08:24 <V453000> well, yea, but as long as you play with "normal" people, they should not touch it when they do not understand, but at the same time it gives them better opportunity to learn imo 09:08:41 <V453000> btw please do not compare openttd to real life :p 09:09:00 <planetmaker> hehe 09:09:07 <Suzari> I did? 09:09:34 <planetmaker> " 09:09:34 <planetmaker> <Suzari> I just liked the idea of having companies "rent" rails as I build and having different companies working together, like Real Life." 09:09:36 <V453000> see your last 2 words in the last sentence :p 09:09:55 <Suzari> ah yeah. I didn't think you'd think I think OpenTTD is RL ;) 09:10:04 <Suzari> OpenTTD is better than real life 09:10:15 <planetmaker> it's a game 09:10:17 <Suzari> I don't get to orchestrate trains and then watch them. 09:10:22 <planetmaker> with its own reality 09:10:30 <Suzari> and not be blamed if they crash upon eachother. 09:11:15 <planetmaker> I'd not count on that :-P 09:12:12 <V453000> :) 09:12:41 <Suzari> IRL anyway 09:12:48 <Suzari> I'm not confusing TTD with real life, don't worry. 09:13:19 <V453000> comparing is enough :) 09:15:48 <Suzari> Again, I don't get to build rails IRL. So many more restrictions IRL 09:16:07 <V453000> ... 09:18:53 <Suzari> >.> sorry I think I'm missing the problem here. 09:19:44 <V453000> that real life is completely out of discussion :) 09:21:00 <Suzari> Well..yes... 09:21:18 <Suzari> but it's a source of inspiration when playing a transport sim 09:21:30 <V453000> completely :P 09:21:49 <dih> is it? 09:22:06 <V453000> I am not even able to link it with realism tbh 09:22:16 <dih> i do not even play openttd :-P 09:22:19 <V453000> .. 09:22:38 <dih> it's a 'real time' waste of my 'real life' :-D 09:23:00 <dih> (note: programming is not part of this discussion) 09:23:09 <V453000> :D 09:23:22 <Suzari> >.> 09:23:41 <dih> i need to find a way to call command methods generically 09:23:44 <dih> :-S 09:23:53 <Suzari> -slinks off and just goes to play OpenTTD- 09:23:58 <Suzari> Thank you for your help, gentlemen. 09:24:27 <dih> try a /me instead of -(.*)- 09:24:44 <V453000> :p 09:25:17 <dih> Ammler: http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2006 :-P 09:30:22 *** Suzari has left #openttdcoop.devzone 10:59:13 *** Seberoth2 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:04:36 <Ammler> project Redmine isn't meant to report DevZone related issues 11:05:48 <Ammler> that would be here http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/home/issues 11:05:59 <Ammler> can't close/reject tickets without beeing member 11:07:55 <Brot6> #openttdcoop - Support #2006 (New): Hudson Plugin update (dih) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2006 11:07:55 <Brot6> #openttdcoop - Support #2006: Hudson Plugin update (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2006#change-4995 11:07:55 <Brot6> #openttdcoop - Support #2006: Hudson Plugin update (dih) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2006#change-4996 11:09:08 <Brot6> #openttdcoop - Support #2006 (Rejected): Hudson Plugin update (dih) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2006 11:09:08 <Brot6> #openttdcoop - Support #2006 (Rejected): Hudson Plugin update (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2006#change-4998 11:09:43 <Ammler> clever rss :-) 11:14:00 *** fanioz has quit IRC 11:21:12 <dih> :-P 11:57:44 *** fanioz has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:05:02 *** avdg_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:05:19 *** OwenSX-28AC has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:07:18 *** OwenS has quit IRC 12:07:18 *** michi_cc has quit IRC 12:07:18 *** avdg has quit IRC 12:07:18 *** avdg_ is now known as avdg 12:07:18 *** OwenSX-28AC is now known as OwenS 12:21:45 *** michi_cc has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:26:52 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:56:25 *** fanioz has quit IRC 12:57:10 *** fanioz has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 13:31:55 *** fanioz has quit IRC 13:32:40 *** fanioz has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 13:44:22 *** fanioz has quit IRC 13:44:59 *** fanioz has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:00:37 *** Lakie has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:00:47 *** Seberoth2 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:35:30 *** frosch123 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:44:08 <DJNekkid> text ID D000 to D3FF is grf-specific, right? 16:45:37 <Lakie> yes 16:46:55 <DJNekkid> goodie :D 16:48:25 <DJNekkid> goodie 16:48:28 <DJNekkid> :D 16:49:20 * Lakie wonders how quickly one can get through those ids. 16:51:18 <Lakie> I'd probably say you could only really use 32+255*2 ids max for objects. So 542~ 17:06:13 <DJNekkid> but callback23 for trains could use all? 17:06:42 <DJNekkid> (purchse list text) 17:07:37 <Lakie> Yes 17:07:40 <Yexo> an industry newgrf with 32 cargo definitions * 7 string properties already uses 224 ids just for the cargo properties 17:08:26 <Yexo> but I can't see a way to get close to 1000 ids with industries 17:08:27 <Lakie> I guess, but they also save some ids by using DC00 range for industry names? 17:09:09 <Lakie> Well, I think its quite unlikely one will ever need all 1024 ids... 17:10:16 <DJNekkid> define need :P 17:10:53 <Lakie> 'use' 17:10:56 <DJNekkid> hehe 17:11:12 <Lakie> Any sanely designed grf anyway... 17:12:44 <Lakie> Rubidium: for that property 17, does it expect the grf to provide values 0..3 or does it internally dec them? 17:13:53 <DJNekkid> perhaps i can split ... 17:15:58 *** ce_akper has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:15:58 *** ce_akper has left #openttdcoop.devzone 17:17:16 <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: 2cctrainset (r686), 32bpp-extra (r39), ai-admiralai (r75), airportsplus (r70), basecosts (r22), belarusiantowns (r8), bros (r40), comic-houses (r71), firs (r1578), fish (r423), frenchtowns (r6), grfcodec (r811), heqs (r551), indonesiantowns (r39), manindu (r6), metrotrackset (r56), newgrf_makefile (r237), nml (r1074), nutracks (r120), ogfx-rv (r78), ogfx-trains (r199), ogfx-trees (r41), 17:17:16 <Brot6> opengfx (r568), openmsx (r97), opensfx (r97), smts (r19), snowlinemod (r45), swedishrails (r189), swisstowns (r22), transrapidtrackset (r15), ttdviewer (r26), ttrs (r23), worldairlinersset (r669) 17:33:34 <Rubidium> Lakie: isn't that the whole point of properties? 17:33:43 <Rubidium> though the values for property 17 are 1, 2 and 4 17:34:19 <Lakie> Should variable 48 return 1-4 or 0-3? 17:34:31 <Rubidium> then "you" show 1, 2 or 4 choices to the user and the user chooses one of them. Those choices you number 0-3 17:35:02 <Lakie> Ok, so internally it treats them as 0..3. 17:35:11 <Rubidium> yes 17:35:52 <Rubidium> it uses normal C base 0 counting and with property 17 you set the amount, not the maximum value 17:36:23 <Lakie> Ok 17:38:36 <Lakie> Any luck with the gui? 17:39:29 <Ammler> what is the issue, if I save a png with transparency but it shows it black? 17:42:54 <Rubidium> Lakie: not worked on that at all 17:43:13 <Rubidium> Ammler: where does it show as black? 17:43:14 <Lakie> Heh ok, still pondering how one'd do it sanely. 17:44:46 <frosch123> Ammler: the viewer does not support the alpha channel? 17:48:26 * Lakie ponders if internally shifting the value to the apropreate bit would be better for him. e.g. 1,2,4 becomes 0,1,2. 17:48:54 <Lakie> Mainly for how I figure the ui might work... 18:00:29 <Ammler> http://www.redmine.org/attachments/3462/redmine_fluid_icon.png <-- tried to make a 35px png from this 18:02:05 <Rubidium> Ammler: how hard can that be? 18:02:44 <Rubidium> gimp $file -> image -> scale image -> 35 px -> scale -> file -> save 18:06:54 <Ammler> then my os is broken? 18:51:05 *** tneo has quit IRC 18:52:03 *** tneo has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:52:48 *** Yexo has quit IRC 18:53:43 *** Yexo has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:02:59 <Brot6> 32bpp-ez-patches: update from r21421 to r21422 done (1985 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/32bpp-ez-patches/testing/r21422 19:04:55 <Rubidium> wow 19:05:20 <Brot6> clientpatches: update from r21421 to r21422 done (1983 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/clientpatches/testing/r21422 19:05:45 <Rubidium> Ammler: by any change upgraded some libraries on the CF? 19:05:50 <Brot6> serverpatches: compile of r21422 still failed (#1965) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/serverpatches/testing/ERROR/r21422 19:09:09 * Lakie throws together a simple test object for this views thing 19:09:52 * Rubidium would like to have that as well :) 19:11:03 <Lakie> Ok 19:11:19 <Lakie> Won't be terribly graphical, just the ground tile changing... 19:13:42 <Lakie> Though I suppose I should also generate a non-sqaure one, hmmm... 19:19:18 <Ammler> Rubidium: changed the spec 19:19:38 <Rubidium> it asploded 19:19:49 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:20:00 <Ammler> added grfcodec, seems a bad idea :-) 19:22:36 <Rubidium> old version? 19:22:44 <Rubidium> bad library? 19:23:27 <Ammler> grfcodec-5.0.0-2.1.x86_64.rpm 19:23:38 <Ammler> newest, isn't? 19:23:43 <Ammler> but maybe it would need nightly? 19:24:05 <Rubidium> yes 19:24:20 <Ammler> why is there no 5.1? 19:24:23 <Ammler> :-) 19:24:51 <Rubidium> because... "we", Lakie and I, agreed to let it be tested for a number of weeks as nightly first before going for a new release 19:25:47 <Rubidium> and as there's no stable release (worth distributing by distros) using it it was not that important to the release quickly 19:31:25 <andythenorth> evenings 19:33:15 <andythenorth> hmm 19:33:24 <andythenorth> implement road as rails? 19:33:30 <andythenorth> one of the better suggestions :D 19:33:40 <andythenorth> uses more tiles though :( 19:46:35 <andythenorth> quiets 19:48:15 <Lakie> Let me guess, lots of erros over png files not being pcx files then, Ammler? 19:48:38 <Ammler> Lakie: openttd trunk with grfcodec 5.0 19:49:24 <Lakie> openttd.grf uses pngs nowadays? 19:49:34 <Ammler> looks like :-) 19:50:01 <Rubidium> Lakie: and the DOS palette 19:50:38 <Lakie> Heh, automatic palette conversion ftw... 19:51:25 <Lakie> I imagine 5.1 of grfcodec will be after that review of its string handling functions? 19:53:32 <Rubidium> Lakie: already did that :) 19:53:39 <Rubidium> should be fine now 19:53:41 <Rubidium> (I hope) 19:54:41 <Lakie> :o 19:54:44 <Lakie> I shall have to test 20:06:37 <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a testing update: 32bpp-ez-patches (r21422), clientpatches (r21422), serverpatches (ERROR r21422) 20:07:08 <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a testing update: 32bpp-ez-patches (r21422), clientpatches (r21422), serverpatches (ERROR r21422) 20:07:14 <Ammler> hmm 20:10:59 <Brot6> 32bpp-ez-patches: update from r21422 to r21422 done (2 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/32bpp-ez-patches/testing/r21422 20:11:17 <Lakie> Heh, awesome my grf cvauses ttdpatch to die horribly... 20:13:16 <Brot6> clientpatches: update from r21422 to r21422 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/clientpatches/testing/r21422 20:13:39 <Brot6> serverpatches: compile of r21422 still failed (#1965) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/serverpatches/testing/ERROR/r21422 20:13:45 <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a testing update: 32bpp-ez-patches (r21422), clientpatches (r21422) 20:13:55 <Rubidium> see... that went much better 20:14:32 <Ammler> yeah, patches use grfcodec nightly now 20:15:35 *** thgergo has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:32:26 * Lakie clones openttd to test Rubidium's [atch a little 20:32:29 <Lakie> patch* 20:33:47 * Rubidium hides in the fallout shelter 20:34:04 <Lakie> Liky work better than TTDPatch atm. 20:34:09 <Lakie> Heh 20:35:53 <Lakie> So far TTDPatch only just loads the property 17 and handles a (crude) var48 implementation... 21:24:20 *** Seberoth2 has quit IRC 21:27:33 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 22:15:57 <Brot6> Grapes - Revision 41:51cb36513aa4: Add: Introduce injection annotations (dih) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/grapes/repository/revisions/51cb36513aa4 22:15:57 <Brot6> Grapes - Revision 42:d01987526c43: Change: reflect over declared fields in plugins and check if i... 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(dih) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/grapes/repository/revisions/71c7d851e522 22:36:59 <Brot6> Berries - Revision 13:984fd00cf50c: Change: adapt plugins to the new spi and injections (dih) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/berries/repository/revisions/984fd00cf50c 22:38:01 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 23:01:42 <Lakie> Seems to work alright with my 1x1 object, Rubidium 23:06:28 <Rubidium> yay :) 23:12:36 * Lakie continues hacking away at his code, currently only allowig view to be specified by the 'sign cheat', or 'console'. 23:13:11 <Rubidium> may I have a copy of the test grf? 23:13:38 <Lakie> Sure, if you don't mind I'd prefer to have made a 1x2 object first though 23:13:48 <Rubidium> fine :) 23:14:33 <Rubidium> dih: initConifg <- I see that typo in one of the berry diffs 23:15:35 <dih> yeah - hihi - it's an old one - did not change it yet :-P 23:15:40 <dih> thank you though 23:15:44 <dih> i'll change it 23:16:57 <Brot6> Berries - Revision 14:82bff218e32e: Change: typo (dih) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/berries/repository/revisions/82bff218e32e 23:28:36 <Lakie> Now... just the gui.... 23:28:51 * Lakie decides its easier to write the second object than think about that. 23:29:24 * Rubidium decides it's easier to just go to bed than think about that. 23:29:45 <Lakie> Heh, true 23:29:51 <Lakie> Night Rubidium. 23:57:14 <planetmaker> Yexo: I think the speed limit is quite clear in the newgrf wiki as I put it ;-) 23:57:52 <Yexo> ah, yes :) 23:58:05 <Yexo> I should've checked the wiki first, I was going by the post of Kimby you quoted 23:58:42 <planetmaker> :-)