Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 13th December 2010:
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00:20:53  <planetmaker> good night
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11:54:37  <Ammler> when is best time to reboot the whole hypervisor? (downtime around 5mins)
11:56:19  <Rubidium> 04:00 UTC
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11:58:09  <Rubidium> that's after the grfcodec compile and well before the cargodist compile
11:58:55  <Ammler> hmm, but a bit late for me
12:15:49  <planetmaker> after breakfast then
12:17:02  <Ammler> so around 10
12:18:22  <Ammler> @topic add Expect Server down for maintanace on Dec 14, 09:00 UTC
12:18:29  <Ammler> @services op
12:18:30  *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Webster
12:18:36  <Ammler> @topic add Expect Server down for maintenance on Dec 14, 09:00 UTC
12:18:36  *** Webster changes topic to "Talk about things hosted and developed on | Downloads log: | Sandbox passwords are the same as the usernames | Expect Server down for maintenance on Dec 14, 09:00 UTC"
12:19:23  <Ammler> @undo
12:19:23  *** Webster changes topic to "Talk about things hosted and developed on | Downloads log: | Sandbox passwords are the same as the usernames"
12:19:43  <Ammler> @topic add Expect Server down for maintenance on Dec 14, 09:00 UTC (DevZone, Bouncer, Bundles)
12:19:43  *** Webster changes topic to "Talk about things hosted and developed on | Downloads log: | Sandbox passwords are the same as the usernames | Expect Server down for maintenance on Dec 14, 09:00 UTC (DevZone, Bouncer, Bundles)"
12:38:25  <Brot6> HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Revision 554:475622f983ee: Fix: Use blunt copy&paste code for trea... (planetmaker) @
12:47:36  <dih> Ammler, why is something between 0:00 and 4:00 AM not a good choice?
12:48:29  <Rubidium> 32bpp ez compile run, grfcodec compile run
13:01:15  <Ammler> dih: 0 until I am at bed is more active as morning, isn't?
13:02:20  <Ammler> e.g. irc is quite active until around 2 o'clock
13:02:53  <dih> hehe - you should setup HA and a storage server :-P
13:03:06  <dih> then nobody would notice the reboot ^^
13:03:33  <Ammler> he, the only thing you will notice, is the mass exit and rejoin from irc
13:03:44  <Ammler> as that is quite much delayed
13:03:59  <Ammler> the real server down time is maybe 1 min
13:04:20  <Ammler> (well, if I don't get troubles)
13:05:06  <Ammler> remote kernel updates are fun :-)
13:06:12  <Ammler> but I trust proxmox and debian
13:06:30  <planetmaker> kernel update to the host?
13:06:45  <Ammler> planetmaker: vps don't have kernels :-P
13:07:40  <Ammler> it is mainly a "aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade && reboot"
13:08:16  <Ammler> kernel is only security update we use already .32 and will stay there
13:09:16  <planetmaker> ok. Do the kernel patches / bugs being fixed affect us, though?
13:10:56  <Ammler>
13:11:37  <planetmaker> well. That's quite non-descriptive ;-)
13:12:05  <Ammler> aptitude -sVZy safe-upgrade
13:12:06  <planetmaker> but I guess, yes :-)
13:12:51  <Ammler> I have no idea, but I prefer to upgrade than "never change a running system"
13:12:53  <planetmaker> well. Yes. But I thought of a list like "this remote exploit is fixed" and that other remove vulnerability and this privilige escalation and so on
13:13:27  <Ammler> I expect such upgrades around ever other month
13:13:54  <Ammler> until the change to lxc will come
13:15:49  <Ammler> nobody will notice something except the proxmox manager maybe
13:16:24  <Ammler> he, you didn't try my nicely howto yet :-P
13:17:37  <Rubidium> planetmaker: (the kernel update only)
13:17:39  <Webster> Title: Debian -- Security Information -- DSA-2126-1 linux-2.6 (at
13:18:35  <planetmaker> thanks. Remote DOS certainly warrants an update
13:18:35  <Rubidium> < libssl
13:18:36  <Webster> Title: Debian -- Security Information -- DSA-2125-1 openssl (at
13:19:11  <Ammler> thx Rubi
13:19:33  <Rubidium> tzdata is because some place updated its DST stuff again, I reckon
13:20:21  <Ammler> yeah, and it takes a bit longer for us, as our kernel is a derivate from proxmox
13:21:31  <Rubidium> oh, you're using the 2.6.32 one... then that DSA doesn't apply (well, maybe partly)
13:22:18  <Ammler> oh, and we get more free disk space: "After unpacking 3662kB will be freed." :-P
13:22:19  <Rubidium> <- that's more appropriate
13:24:50  <Ammler> oh, I could also resize the LVM for the vps, dunno if that needs reboot too
13:25:38  <Ammler> we already use 90GB of our 700GB :-)
13:27:32  <Ammler> in that respect I really miss the SUSE Yast Partition Manager,
13:36:37  <Ammler> what means "v	-	the package is virtual. "
13:36:50  <Ammler> if I search for a package
13:37:37  <Ammler> I wonder, if I shall try parted
13:39:04  <Ammler> doesn't look much friendlier than fdisk & co
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15:03:36  <dih> was there not some portal on which one can find developers?
15:03:45  <dih> open source related volunteers
15:04:10  <Ammler> :-D
15:04:34  <Ammler> you really think, there are such people around looking for something?
15:05:36  <Ammler> maybe a thread on the tt-forums would help, dunno?
15:05:37  <dih> no, not looking for something, but possibly willing to contribute in some way or another ^^
15:06:09  <Ammler> did you advertise joan/grapes/berries already somewhere?
15:08:28  <dih> is what i am looking for :-)
15:08:45  <dih> i wrote a private message to a few selected members of tt-forums
15:10:14  <Ammler> did you get answers?
15:24:16  <dih> one answer :-P
15:24:29  <dih> saying 'good luck' :-P
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16:11:24  <Brot6> Backup test: abort: no suitable response from remote hg!
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16:51:47  <dih> ouch ^^
16:52:44  * Ammler points to "test" :-)
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17:09:59  <Ammler> yes, adding partition needs a reboot
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17:12:26  <Ammler> he, I pm'd zeph, that he can use our repo server also without the need to use the makefile framework, he answered that he might consider that so he don't need to code it self :-P
17:13:06  <planetmaker> :-P
17:13:34  <planetmaker> I think he currently hasn't setup mercurial or so.
17:14:48  <Ammler> yeah, I tell him, that I am able to help there, but not at coding :-)
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17:18:44  <Brot6> heqs: update from r553 to r554 done -
17:18:55  <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: 2cctrainset (r686), 32bpp-extra (r39), ai-admiralai (r75), airportsplus (r70), basecosts (r22), belarusiantowns (r8), bros (r40), comic-houses (r71), firs (r1585), fish (r429), frenchtowns (r6), grfcodec (r816), indonesiantowns (r39), manindu (r6), metrotrackset (r56), newgrf_makefile (r238), nml (r1091), nutracks (r120), ogfx-rv (r78), ogfx-trains (r199), ogfx-trees (r41), opengfx (r574),
17:18:55  <Brot6> openmsx (r97), opensfx (r97), smts (r19), snowlinemod (r45), swedishrails (r193), swisstowns (r22), transrapidtrackset (r15), ttdviewer (r26), ttrs (r23), worldairlinersset (r669)
17:23:42  <Ammler> the tomorrow reboot is also a good test if everything works
17:23:53  <Ammler> nothing should need a manual start anymore
17:24:24  <Ammler> except the stable openttd server, hmm
17:25:15  <planetmaker> :-)
17:29:00  <Ammler> oh, and also crontab knows the trigger @reboot
17:29:12  <Ammler> so bnc is up right after reboot
17:31:14  <Ammler> dih: if I shutdown a vps, does openttd/ap+ stop gracefully?
17:31:41  <Ammler> I can test with checking if the pid file is gone, right?
17:32:23  <Ammler> then I can make a start script which does load teh last autosave
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18:40:26  <dih> heh
18:41:12  <dih> the shudown procedure is, send all ppid's a kill signal, and later on send all remaining ppids a kill -9
18:41:27  <dih> i am not sure you can consider that very graceful :-D
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19:00:13  <Ammler> dih: remains after shutdown
19:02:44  <dih> yep
19:03:23  <Brot6> 32bpp-ez-patches: update from r21488 to r21503 done (4 errors) -
19:05:40  <Brot6> clientpatches: update from r21488 to r21488 done -
19:06:14  <Brot6> serverpatches: compile of r21503 still failed (#1965) -
19:06:19  <Ammler> dih: how do I start autopilot in screen, if I don't have a running session
19:07:02  <Ammler> currently I use this: screen -X screen $(pwd)/ $SAVE
19:07:15  <Ammler> but that only work, if I have a screen session already
19:07:46  <Ammler> I guess, you had something else running for your nightly
19:09:45  <dih> try without the -X
19:09:53  <dih> or something
19:10:51  <Ammler> I try the "something" first :-P
19:10:55  <dih> -d -m
19:11:58  <dih> no -X
19:12:14  <Ammler> without the -X it works
19:12:24  <dih> tada :-P
19:12:47  <Ammler> but then I need different commands if there is screen session or not
19:14:04  <Ammler> -d -m seems not work somewhow :-(
19:14:19  <dih> that tells screen to start in detached mode
19:14:58  <Ammler> my problem is that I would like to have only one screen session
19:15:38  <dih> and?
19:15:43  <dih> what is wrong with that?
19:15:58  <dih> give the screen session a name :-)
19:15:59  <dih> -S
19:16:14  <dih> then you can address that screen session
19:16:20  <dih> or start screen some other way
19:16:28  <dih> and then use the command you had to start openttd
19:20:55  <Ammler> hmm
19:21:22  <Ammler> the problem is I wonder if I can use command for both cases
19:21:36  <Ammler> or if I need to check first, if session is active or not
20:28:43  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2017 (New): Prussian S.10 (Voyager1) @
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21:50:59  * andythenorth plays the stable HEQS game for a moment
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22:19:54  <Yexo> Ammler: I just created a new project, do I have to do anything else to create the repository? I already selected the repository module when creating the project
22:19:55  <Yexo>
22:21:03  <Brot6> repository /home/hg/ai-gelignaite not registered in Redmine: Failed with 422 Unprocessable Entity
22:21:03  <Brot6> repository /home/hg/ai-gelignaite created
22:23:53  <Ammler> Yexo: as you see ^ :-)
22:24:05  <Ammler> oh
22:29:15  <Ammler> somehow it failed, I need to investigate that further
22:29:44  <Ammler> anyway, I registered the path manual
22:29:54  <dih> permissions?
22:30:00  <Ammler> I will do the error debug tomorrow
22:30:10  <Ammler> dih, I don't think so
22:30:50  <dih> perhaps after the update of the host system something changed permission or quota wise
22:31:03  <Ammler> yes, I did
22:31:26  <Ammler> but the repo is made, what failed is the api to register at redmine
22:31:35  <Ammler> which might be because of my redmine update
22:31:43  <Ammler> I might rollback to 1.0.5
22:32:45  <Ammler> trunk has some nice rest api features, which I need for the compiler, but that is less important than autocreating :-)
22:35:47  <andythenorth> night
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