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I don't know how a site like that would work; usually people volunteers for projects they know or try to fix bugs that affect them 08:32:23 <dihedral> openhatch is really really slow 08:32:56 <dihedral> it would be good if projects could properly 'advertise' there too 08:57:43 <Ammler> reboot... 08:58:04 *** Guest1066 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 09:03:17 <Guest1066> maybe I should have shutdown the vpses first :-) 09:03:30 <dihedral> ouch! 09:03:33 *** V453000 has quit IRC 09:03:36 *** tneo has quit IRC 09:03:36 *** Hirundo has quit IRC 09:03:36 *** avdg has quit IRC 09:03:54 <Guest1066> well, I was wondering how it works 09:04:07 <dihedral> usually stuff like that is documented? :-P 09:04:42 <Guest1066> yes, it should work gracefully 09:05:18 *** Brot6 has quit IRC 09:05:23 *** SmatZ has quit IRC 09:06:01 *** planetmaker has quit IRC 09:06:06 *** Terkhen has quit IRC 09:06:16 *** Ammler has quit IRC 09:06:20 *** Yexo has quit IRC 09:11:35 <dihedral> or you should note that the shutdown does involve a different procedure ^^ 09:12:07 <dihedral> the 'graceful' part only is possible within a certain amount of time, after that it sends kill -9 to all left over ppid's 09:12:23 <dihedral> which, regarding a vm, will not shut it down nicely 09:16:29 <Guest1066> yeah, next time I will shutdown those first... 09:22:42 <Guest1066> damn :-) 09:27:25 <dihedral> :-D 09:27:35 <dihedral> are they causing issues coming back up? 09:27:44 <dihedral> they've been down for some time now ^^ 09:27:51 <dihedral> uh - ODM :-) ping ^^ 09:29:21 <dihedral> why is he never there :-( 09:29:24 <dihedral> nono fair 09:34:29 *** _Terkhen_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 09:57:03 *** ODM has quit IRC 10:00:51 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 10:01:03 *** ODM has quit IRC 10:47:52 <Guest1066> hmm 10:53:10 <Guest1066> I give it another hour :-) 10:53:51 <_Terkhen_> ok :) 10:55:50 *** Guest1066 has quit IRC 10:55:54 *** Ammler has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 10:56:25 *** Ammler is now known as Guest1075 11:35:53 <dihedral> Guest1075, give it another hour?? 11:36:00 <dihedral> it's still down? 11:36:02 <dihedral> what happened? 11:37:13 <_Terkhen_> check the channel topic 11:38:11 <Guest1075> I broke it :-( " 11:38:12 <Guest1075> your server can't load the file system. So we have boot your server into the 11:38:14 <Guest1075> rescue system that you can fix this problem. 11:38:17 <_Terkhen_> :O 11:38:53 * dihedral claps his hands 11:39:21 <dihedral> you made a backup before you mangled with the hypervisor did you not? 11:40:13 <Guest1075> how? 11:40:33 <dihedral> hetzner does give you 100GB for backup 11:40:51 <Guest1075> well, the vpses are and setup fresh hypervisor woudn't be hard 11:41:12 <dihedral> what is the system complaining about 11:41:52 *** pm|mibbit has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:42:22 <Guest1075> sucks :-( 11:42:50 * dihedral nods 11:42:53 <Guest1075> well, they just rebooted to the rescuce system but forgot to connect the remote console 11:43:22 <dihedral> you only need the remote console if you are not booting into the rescue system 11:43:40 <dihedral> if you boot into the rescue you should get an email with the root password 11:43:43 <Guest1075> mount: unknown filesystem type 'lvm2pv' 11:43:59 <dihedral> did you mangle with the filesystem? 11:44:03 <Guest1075> no 11:44:05 <dihedral> you mentioned partd 11:44:10 <dihedral> or parted it was 11:44:13 <Guest1075> well, I added a partition 11:44:22 <dihedral> well, that should not hurt 11:44:31 <Guest1075> but that is something I didn't the first time there 11:44:57 <dihedral> but why did you need to add a partition, would a logical volume not have been enough? 11:47:08 <pm|mibbit> meh :-( 11:47:32 *** SmatZ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:48:05 <pm|mibbit> any contingency, Guest1075 ? 11:48:15 <dihedral> get a second hetzner server and setup High Availability :-D 11:48:22 <SmatZ> hello :) 11:48:28 <dihedral> hey ho Mr. SmatZ 11:48:45 <dihedral> i mentioned to someone yesterday you could enjoy the FlightGear project :-P 11:48:52 <Guest1075> the question is now, can I fix that or shall I simply setup fresh 11:48:53 <dihedral> they have women on the team :-D 11:49:14 <Guest1075> I have no time for both 11:49:15 <dihedral> Guest1075, try to fix first, allow 30-60 mins for trying to fix 11:49:15 <SmatZ> hello dihedral 11:49:36 <pm|mibbit> Guest1075: is there no disk image of pre-update? 11:51:17 * dihedral is out for lunch 11:51:29 <Guest1075> pm|mibbit: lol? 11:51:32 <SmatZ> enjoy dihedral 11:53:22 <pm|mibbit> ok, what are the options if everything is screwed? No backups, no nothing? 11:53:52 <Guest1075> [12:40] <Guest1075> well, the vpses are and setup fresh hypervisor woudn't be hard 11:54:26 <Guest1075> but I really would like to know, what's went wrong first 11:54:27 <pm|mibbit> ok. That's good news 11:54:41 <pm|mibbit> yep, understandable. But as it seems: don't partition things 11:54:54 <pm|mibbit> why was it needed, btw? 11:55:03 <Guest1075> as said, not the first time 11:55:16 <Guest1075> I added disk space 11:55:31 <Guest1075> I didn't mess with existing partitions 11:55:32 <pm|mibbit> how "added"? 11:55:49 <pm|mibbit> Isn't the whole HDD partioned? 11:55:53 <Guest1075> no 11:56:05 <pm|mibbit> he... 11:56:11 <pm|mibbit> why not? 11:56:19 <Guest1075> the kvm vms are own disks 11:56:22 <Guest1075> lvm 11:56:30 <pm|mibbit> what use is to have several partiions? 11:57:00 <Guest1075> you got the answer? 11:57:11 <pm|mibbit> not quite 11:59:59 <Guest1075> hmm, did you send a reboot?= 12:00:10 <pm|mibbit> I did nothing 12:00:17 <Guest1075> then the console might be added 12:00:54 <Guest1075> bad timing :-( 12:02:50 <pm|mibbit> it's as it is now... 12:04:14 <Guest1075> now? 12:04:21 <Guest1075> you liked to do something? 12:04:25 <Guest1075> I am sorry :-P 12:04:35 <Guest1075> take your break then 12:04:40 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:08:14 <pm|mibbit> he. any ETA to service for worst case? 12:08:39 <Guest1075> 1d? 12:08:53 <pm|mibbit> uh... ok 12:09:11 <Guest1075> if I don't find a fix until tonight, I might setup fresh :-)( 12:09:20 <Guest1075> s/:-)/:-(/ 12:11:31 <pm|mibbit> hm, ok. 12:12:00 <pm|mibbit> but you're telling you cannot fix it right now? 12:14:50 <Guest1075> yes, didn't I? 12:15:08 <Guest1075> else it would run :-) 12:15:21 <Guest1075> I don't let it down for fun :-P 12:16:34 <pm|mibbit> uh... 12:23:37 *** planetmaker has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:24:15 *** planetmaker is now known as Guest1080 12:24:46 *** Guest1080 is now known as planetmaker 12:25:00 *** pm|mibbit has quit IRC 12:29:04 <Guest1075> it has do be something with the LVM, the software raid works 12:29:24 <Guest1075> I can access /dev/md0 12:29:37 <Guest1075> hmm 12:32:00 <Guest1075> I can mount everything fine from the rescue system 12:32:10 <planetmaker> he 12:32:18 <Guest1075> so at least if I need to setup fresh, I don't need to use a backup 12:32:39 <planetmaker> just the hypervisor doesn't boot then. Hm 12:32:48 <Guest1075> joh 12:33:04 <planetmaker> well. That's good news :-) 12:33:31 <Guest1075> [12:43] <Guest1075> mount: unknown filesystem type 'lvm2pv' <-- that was stupid me trying to mount a volume of a LVM group :-) 12:39:21 <Guest1075> everything looks fine :'-( 12:41:01 <dihedral> partition the entire hdd, create one physical volume and a boot partition 12:41:09 <dihedral> then create multiple logical volumes 12:43:51 <Guest1075> yes 12:44:08 <Guest1075> but that doesn't help now :-P 12:45:28 <Guest1075> it doesn't find all volumes for vg0 with the usual boot 12:45:40 <Guest1075> but I was able to see those with the rescue system 12:46:00 <dihedral> fstab misconfigured? 12:47:10 *** thgergo has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:48:38 <Guest1075> http://www.myimg.de/?img=vg06787a.png 12:48:40 <Webster> Title: myimg.de - kostenloses Bilderhosting (at www.myimg.de) 12:49:49 <dihedral> lol 12:50:07 <dihedral> try to find the new uuid of the harddrive :-D 12:50:34 <dihedral> then check fstab and grub menu.lst 12:50:38 *** DJNekkid has quit IRC 12:51:40 <Guest1075> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/304697/ 12:52:41 <dihedral> yes, you are in the rescue system 12:53:14 <dihedral> it's something else, scanning for hard drives and finding what their partition tables is, compared to addressing a hdd in grub using the uuid 12:54:00 <Guest1075> grub doesn't use uuid 12:54:30 <Guest1075> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/304698/ 12:54:35 <dihedral> then fstab does 12:54:43 <Guest1075> fstab I pasted 12:55:22 <dihedral> then something else is ;-) 12:55:31 <dihedral> else it would not complain that it cannot find the uuid 12:55:45 <dihedral> could be udev stuff, lvm stuff 12:55:54 <dihedral> don't know, but something is using that uuid 12:56:49 <Guest1075> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/tsC0t43bwOkqvTvZANju/ 12:57:07 <Guest1075> how do I scan for the hd id? 12:59:06 <Rubidium> blkid? 12:59:51 *** DJNekkid has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 13:02:11 <Guest1075> the uuid on the boot image is quite strange, with non hex chars 13:02:34 <dihedral> description = "Created *after* executing 'lvremove -f /dev/vg0/vzsnap-haydn-0'" 13:02:34 <dihedral> <- erm .... 13:02:45 <Guest1075> pv1 13:02:47 <dihedral> the uuid is not hex 13:02:56 <Guest1075> yes, just realized 13:03:00 <dihedral> :-D 13:03:27 <dihedral> make a backup (another one) before editing though 13:04:41 <Guest1075> hmm, vzdump does make snapshots for backuping 13:05:18 <dihedral> it's your risk, not mine 13:05:31 <dihedral> the only risk i have is that my issue tracking is lost 13:05:41 <dihedral> and the 100 odd lines in the wiki :-p 13:06:03 <Guest1075> the data are all there 13:06:05 <dihedral> someone should mirror your redmine 13:08:42 <Guest1075> I could simply comment out the lvm from fstab and then mount those manually after reboot? 13:09:33 <Guest1075> mäh, I need those 13:09:49 <dihedral> lets start off with the following command, please copy and paste the next line: 13:09:52 <dihedral> /nick Ammler 13:09:53 <dihedral> :-D 13:10:02 <Guest1075> :-P 13:10:16 *** Guest1075 is now known as Shammler 13:10:31 <dihedral> is that related to 'shame' ? :-P 13:10:46 <dihedral> i'd google for recreating that one file 13:11:04 <dihedral> http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/red-hat-fedora-linux/60464-uuid-incorrect-drive-lvm-after-running-fdisk-new-drive.html 13:12:16 <dihedral> possibly there is somewhere a mailing list or another forum with replies :-P 13:12:21 <Shammler> 4 years old, no answers 13:14:58 <dihedral> http://tinyurl.com/37vztzh 13:14:59 <Webster> Title: Let me google that for you (at tinyurl.com) 13:15:42 <Shammler> no diff: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/pqjR8AXDoLkW0PI47amu/ 13:18:35 <dihedral> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-436850.html 13:18:38 <Webster> Title: LVM problem: f*cked up LVM metadata [Archive] - Ubuntu Forums (at ubuntuforums.org) 13:19:31 <dihedral> Shammler, i entered the error message (can't find device with uuid) into google 13:19:45 <dihedral> that is like one of the first things you can most of the time do in order to find help 13:25:48 <Shammler> my problem is that I am in the rescue system 13:26:08 <Shammler> since root is also part of borken lvm :-( 13:26:34 <Shammler> stupid vzdump 13:32:01 <dihedral> erm, yeah 13:32:13 <dihedral> chroot in to the mounted root? 13:32:26 <dihedral> should do the trick 13:32:38 <dihedral> might have to create the dev folder 13:44:43 <Shammler> you mean mounting the dev 13:45:08 <dihedral> chroot /mnt/root /bin/bash 13:45:55 <Shammler> but forst a mount --bind /dev /mnt/root/dev 13:48:22 <Shammler> dihedral: where are the lvm metadata saved? 13:48:27 <Shammler> I don't get that 13:49:00 <dihedral> Shammler, i do not know - i have to google for that stuff too 15:13:02 *** Doorslammer has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:23:56 <Shammler> I am back, posted this to #lvm, but I might not get answer: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/304767/ 15:25:10 *** _Terkhen_ has quit IRC 15:27:08 <dihedral> so you are saying, it will take a few days until dev.openttdcoop.org is back online? 15:39:55 *** Lakie has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:49:22 *** _Terkhen_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:13:07 <Shammler> quite much seems so :-( 16:43:33 *** Yexo has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:44:08 <Shammler> I am seriously don't like to setup the whole thing just because there is something broken on boot 16:44:13 <Shammler> I so much would like to fix that 16:45:57 <Shammler> that sucks hell 16:56:40 <Shammler> any idea, how I could watch if mdraid is loaded properly? 17:18:10 *** planetmaker is now known as Guest1120 17:18:19 *** planetmaker has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:24:35 *** avdg has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:27:54 *** ^ekipS^ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:59:29 *** frosch123 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:03:14 <dihedral> Shammler, how's it doing? 18:07:03 <Shammler> backup is almost complete 18:10:25 <planetmaker> :-) 18:14:53 <^ekipS^> ... 18:16:03 <Shammler> but I am still don't believe that I have to restore just because I am too stupid for raid/lvm 18:16:20 <^ekipS^> ... ? 18:16:43 *** Doorslammer has quit IRC 18:17:00 <Shammler> ^ekipS^: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/304767/ 18:17:11 <dihedral> Shammler, i do not do more myself than google and use the tools at hand ;-) 18:17:15 <^ekipS^> you brokez itzzz! 18:17:17 <^ekipS^> ;) 18:17:21 <dihedral> and i have no idea what you did 18:17:37 <^ekipS^> dihedral atleast it wasn't just zypper update ;) 18:18:02 <dihedral> zypper? 18:18:05 <Shammler> except the vgcfgrestore on chrooted nothing 18:18:11 <^ekipS^> zypper is opensure tool to install software 18:18:18 <dihedral> Shammler, was /dev present? 18:18:20 <^ekipS^> suse* 18:18:27 <Shammler> I mounted it 18:18:37 <dihedral> i thought it was called yast 18:18:43 <^ekipS^> as yum is for centos/fedora/redhat apt is for ubuntu/debian that is what zypper is to suse 18:18:47 <Shammler> dihedral: I rahter think, the main system doesn't load raid/lvm proper 18:18:58 <^ekipS^> yast is a graphical intreface which eventually calls zypper :) 18:19:03 <dihedral> ^ekipS^, i understand the concept.... 18:19:21 <Shammler> ^ekipS^: but the server runs debian 18:19:26 <dihedral> Shammler, i do not believe that is the issue 18:19:31 <^ekipS^> ok then it was apt-get update :) 18:19:34 <Shammler> so it was a aptitude safe-upgrade 18:19:41 <^ekipS^> or upgrade 18:19:41 <^ekipS^> :) 18:19:44 <^ekipS^> whatever you want :D 18:19:51 <Shammler> yes, which failed 18:19:57 <Shammler> the first time in my life :-) 18:19:58 <planetmaker> ^ekipS^: words words words. 18:20:00 * dihedral has his doubts about that 18:20:15 <^ekipS^> it failed where 18:20:26 <planetmaker> hypervisor 18:20:40 <Shammler> ^ekipS^: the reboot 18:20:53 <dihedral> i would guess it's more something with the partitioning tool that was used 18:20:59 <Shammler> didn't you read teh paste? 18:21:01 <dihedral> i saw many reports related to that 18:21:29 <Shammler> dihedral: yes to recover 18:21:35 <^ekipS^> i did already when i got said Webster makes log of this channel after pm said: read back which i obviously couldn't D: 18:21:38 <^ekipS^> :D 18:21:40 <Shammler> but everything is fine, so how to recover? 18:22:00 <dihedral> it's only complaining about the uuid 18:22:02 <planetmaker> something obviously fails. What fails? 18:22:15 <Shammler> which is correct 18:22:19 <planetmaker> and... ^ ... just uuid needs fixing 18:22:21 <Shammler> the uuid exists 18:22:27 <dihedral> grep /etc recursivly for the uuid :-P 18:22:41 <Shammler> already pasted that, didn't I 18:22:41 <dihedral> could be udev rules 18:23:00 <dihedral> could be other ugly stuff 18:23:10 <dihedral> dmesg output could be interesting 18:23:14 <dihedral> sfdisk -l too 18:23:22 <Shammler> could be Samichlaus 18:23:42 <Shammler> it is obviously something simply 18:24:19 <^ekipS^> uuid's can't change out of themselves out of nowhere 18:24:30 <dihedral> ... 18:25:03 <^ekipS^> that wouldn't mean a different volume 18:25:09 <dihedral> no - this just randomly happens to about 1k people using part / fdisk on a hdd partitioned for lvm 18:25:12 <^ekipS^> so the volume itself would keep the same id 18:25:13 <Shammler> ^ekipS^: they didn't change 18:25:28 <Shammler> (I said that already, didn't I?) 18:26:10 <Shammler> that is why the guys at #lvm suspect bug in 18:26:12 <Shammler> mkintrd 18:26:28 <Shammler> [16:44] <kabi_> Ammller: haven't you changed your mkintrd ? 18:26:30 <Shammler> [16:44] <kabi_> Ammller: assuming it's been booting in past 18:26:31 <Shammler> [16:45] <kabi_> Ammller: is your 'raid' array properly started before activation of VG ? 18:26:49 <Shammler> [17:18] <kabi_> Ammller: you need to check boot log - whether your md raid is properly started 18:27:10 <Shammler> [17:18] <Ammller> well, as root is also part of vg0, where do I find the boot log? 18:27:11 <Shammler> [17:20] <kabi_> Ammller: in this case serial console is usually very useful 18:27:13 <Shammler> [17:22] <kabi_> Ammller: you should probably check in the 'rescue' mode whether mdraid is properly installed configured and started for standard boot 18:27:31 <Shammler> how do I check that? 18:27:51 <_Terkhen_> yes, an uuid change happened to me after updating Debian once 18:28:29 <dihedral> Shammler, that should give you enough things to do if you want to rescue what you have instead of installing everything again 18:28:31 <_Terkhen_> I did not bother with it and I just installed again 18:28:55 <Shammler> so blkid does report different uuid with rescue and main system? 18:29:12 <dihedral> should not 18:29:27 <Shammler> you should not use the workd should :-P 18:29:30 <Shammler> -k 18:54:08 *** SmatZ has quit IRC 18:59:38 <DJNekkid> make mrproper && make 18:59:42 <DJNekkid> ehm, wrong window 19:00:07 <^ekipS^> make ammler && fix it 19:00:08 <^ekipS^> ;) 19:00:17 <Shammler> @kill ^ekipS^ 19:00:27 <^ekipS^> @hug Ammler ;) 19:00:38 <Shammler> @not enough 19:00:57 <^ekipS^> make ammler && a cookie 19:01:03 <Shammler> well, later quys... 19:09:31 *** SmatZ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:15:37 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:17:37 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 19:22:19 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:39:03 *** avdg1 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:44:48 <andythenorth> has the stable server HEQS game ended? 19:46:28 *** avdg has quit IRC 19:51:19 <dihedral> s/HEQS game // 19:54:32 <Shammler> dihedral: lol 19:54:58 <Shammler> andythenorth: the server is rebooting... 19:55:06 <dihedral> :-P 20:17:10 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 20:21:07 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:56:19 <dihedral> i think i may have found a laptop :-) 20:56:25 <dihedral> dell vostro v130 20:56:38 <dihedral> linux support is great 20:57:54 <_Terkhen_> I wish I took that into account before buying mine, but I did not know much about linux back then 20:58:06 <dihedral> what did you get? 21:01:49 <_Terkhen_> a laptop with a wireless card that is a pain in the ass to get working correctly under linux 21:02:27 <dihedral> depends on the wireless card but so far i always got mine working :-P 21:02:35 <dihedral> last resort: ndiswrappers 21:03:18 <_Terkhen_> it's poorly supported, even by the standards of broadcom cards 21:05:25 <dihedral> there is a proprietary driver for broadcom i read today 21:06:31 <_Terkhen_> that's what I meant; it's poorly supported even by their own driver :P 21:06:45 <dihedral> heh 21:06:54 <dihedral> but ndis wrappers will use the windows drivers 21:06:57 <dihedral> that should work 21:07:23 <_Terkhen_> I'll try that next time :) 21:07:39 <dihedral> i found i can order the vostro v130 with ubuntu 10.04 installed :-D 21:08:09 <Rubidium> dihedral: good, then they have to support it with Ubuntu 10.04 as well 21:08:30 <Rubidium> so just resize the partition to bare minimum and install your distro/version of choice 21:09:14 <dihedral> Rubidium, which currently is ubuntu? :-P 21:10:27 <_Terkhen_> it is actually cheaper without windows? 21:10:45 <dihedral> should / could make a diff of like 100 - 150 eur 21:11:06 <_Terkhen_> nice 21:11:38 <dihedral> but wanting a config of i5 cpu, 4gb ram, 128gb ssd disk .... 21:11:58 <dihedral> it's gonna make a pricy thing anyway 21:14:51 * avdg1 wonders how fast the ssd is 21:15:25 <dihedral> they are quite fast, + the most important thing is, it saves electricity 21:15:33 <dihedral> thus, longer battery life 21:15:43 <avdg1> and are faster 21:15:47 <avdg1> in reaction 21:16:23 <avdg1> but I checked today for a configuration of a local server, too less advantages for me :( 21:16:50 <dihedral> ssd will make sense if you need to run some pretty heavily loaded db server 21:17:07 <dihedral> or something else that would render critical io 21:27:50 <frosch123> hmm, since when is coop down? 21:27:55 <andythenorth> planetmaker: devzone missing? 21:28:07 <frosch123> faster :p 21:28:13 <planetmaker> hey andythenorth 21:28:33 <planetmaker> currently yes. Update of hypervisor didn't went as smoothly as it should 21:28:37 <andythenorth> ho 21:28:42 <planetmaker> Try again tomorrow :-) 21:28:46 <planetmaker> Sorry 21:28:50 <planetmaker> :-( 21:29:17 <planetmaker> But, andy, did you pull yesterday HEQS? 21:29:24 <planetmaker> with my update to the params? 21:29:50 <andythenorth> no :o 21:30:32 <planetmaker> try http://devs.openttd.org/~planetmaker/patches/heqs_param.diff 21:30:40 <planetmaker> don't commit it, though; it's already committed 21:31:05 <planetmaker> if it works also for you, you should then be set to release HEQS from my POV :-) 21:31:09 <planetmaker> after the DevZone is back 21:31:12 <andythenorth> cool 21:31:18 <andythenorth> I have a last minute addition to make :D 21:31:30 <planetmaker> well. you can also do that then :-) 21:31:39 <planetmaker> but you can still test that patch, too. 21:31:51 <andythenorth> indeed 21:32:03 <planetmaker> I'm not particularily proud of that patch, but well. 21:32:07 <planetmaker> It's what NML gave me ;-) 21:32:09 <Yexo> brot is going to flood this channel with commits when the devzone comes back :p 21:32:16 <planetmaker> hehe :-) yeah 21:32:22 <planetmaker> Sorry also for you, Yexo :-( 21:32:28 <Yexo> nml is at r1118 here 21:32:38 * Yexo thinks the last push revision is something like r1076 21:32:52 <planetmaker> I have Änderung: 1083:eea1a8e29ac4 21:33:10 <Yexo> so 'only' 35 revisions right now 21:35:09 <Shammler> heqsrepo is backuped... to bb 21:35:26 <Shammler> so is nml 21:36:24 <planetmaker> well... the VMs are fine, aren't they? 21:36:32 <planetmaker> or... ?! 21:36:35 <Shammler> I meant so you can work right now on it 21:36:42 <planetmaker> We all have a checkout 21:36:57 <planetmaker> so no worries. In worst case we need a few merges afterwards 21:36:58 <Shammler> there is no data loss 21:37:35 <Shammler> right now, I copy the data a 3rd time for last more risky experiments 21:38:10 <Shammler> and I am still open for help :-) 21:38:21 <Shammler> I didn't start with new setup yet 21:39:05 <planetmaker> right. How can I help? 21:40:20 <Shammler> with ides how to fix the raid/lvm issue 21:41:05 <Shammler> or links or whatever :-) 21:44:20 <Rubidium> already talked about it with TB? 21:45:49 <andythenorth> planetmaker: does "Maerkische" mean anything in particular? 21:46:02 <Shammler> Rubidium: no, is he around? 21:46:07 <planetmaker> yes. It refers to a region 21:46:18 <andythenorth> fine good 21:46:26 <Rubidium> Shammler: no idea, but it never hurts to ask 21:46:31 <planetmaker> It's the Mark Brandenburg mostly, if no other "(Ge)Mark(ung)" is meant explicitly 21:47:13 <planetmaker> But, andythenorth : Use the proper spelling: Märkische 21:47:36 <andythenorth> do the dia marks work in nfo? 21:47:42 <planetmaker> utf, sure 21:47:47 <andythenorth> hmm 21:47:48 <planetmaker> ever looked at German strings? 21:47:51 <andythenorth> nope 21:47:55 <andythenorth> life is short :) 21:48:03 <planetmaker> tsk 21:48:24 <andythenorth> does it make you wince if I spell it wrong? 21:48:45 <planetmaker> honestly: somewhat yes 21:48:49 <planetmaker> :-) 21:49:00 <planetmaker> It shows that the author didn't care to get it right ;-) 21:49:05 <andythenorth> pah 21:49:06 <andythenorth> ok 21:49:14 <andythenorth> well we can fix it before 1.0 21:52:31 <planetmaker> It's just a simple letter replacement ;-) 21:52:51 <Shammler> Rubidium: I queried him 21:53:33 <Shammler> it is also quite a shame, I have no clue how to debug boot, never really needed that 21:53:59 <Shammler> for example how to enable step-by-step booting so I can check every single bit 21:55:05 <Shammler> hmm, I could also simply copy the root partition to a new non lvm partition and try to boot that way... 22:01:57 <dihedral> Shammler, do not make it worse than it already is 22:02:36 <dihedral> possibly you can ask them to connect the vnc 22:03:21 <dihedral> then you can follow the boot procedure 22:04:23 <dihedral> it will probably prompt you to enter the maintenance shell, there you can enter dmesg and copy the output to a file 22:04:29 <dihedral> that you can paste somewhere :-P 22:04:37 <dihedral> then we all know more :-D 22:04:55 <dihedral> but you will probably be faster to simply re-install that machine 22:05:18 <dihedral> seeing as it's been a while no it'd the best piece of advice i can give you for a production server :-P 22:05:56 <Shammler> I have the vnc console 22:06:16 <Shammler> that is why I wonder, if it is possible to make booting stepwise 22:06:34 <Shammler> where do you think, is the image from the error from? 22:07:36 <Shammler> I don't get a shell 22:08:17 <Shammler> well, if the server would have commercial stuff on it, I would have done it this noon 22:08:39 <Shammler> but I don't think it hurts much to keep it down and looking for fixes a bit longer 22:09:04 *** _Terkhen_ has quit IRC 22:10:53 <planetmaker> andythenorth: http://www.maerkischeallgemeine.de/ <-- the regional with that name, btw ;-) 22:10:55 <Webster> Title: Märkische Allgemeine - Nachrichten für das Land Brandenburg (at www.maerkischeallgemeine.de) 22:10:58 <planetmaker> +newspaper 22:11:33 <planetmaker> it's the region around Berlin (excluding Berlin) 22:11:44 <planetmaker> more to the West than to the East 22:12:24 <andythenorth> it's got a connection to a certain new HEQS vehicle 22:15:24 <planetmaker> a tram? 22:15:40 <andythenorth> perhaps 22:15:44 <andythenorth> maybe with smoke 22:15:48 <planetmaker> :-) 22:16:01 <andythenorth> if you search O&K you might find the connection 22:16:18 <planetmaker> btw, "Märkische" is an adjective, not a noun. So it needs to describe something which follows. Just telling :-) 22:17:02 <planetmaker> Orenstein & Koppel I guess, no the mining business elsewhere ;-) 22:17:03 <andythenorth> if it's "Märkische Tram" does that work? 22:18:23 <frosch123> what are you talking about? 22:19:12 <planetmaker> *some* vehicle manufactured by http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orenstein_%26_Koppel 22:19:13 <Webster> Title: Orenstein & Koppel – Wikipedia (at de.wikipedia.org) 22:19:33 <frosch123> "Märkische Tram" sounds weird, wrong parlance imo. "Märkische Straßenbahn" sounds better 22:19:57 <planetmaker> and about using the proper name for vehicles, not what English people can pronounce ;-) 22:20:53 <planetmaker> (though I found ä and ö are usually fine. But ü is something which cannot be pronounced even if life dependet on it :-P ) 22:21:20 <frosch123> life depening on "ü"? "Hülfe!" ? 22:21:21 <andythenorth> http://www.irsociety.co.uk/Archives/40/O&K.htm 22:21:23 <Webster> Title: The Origins of Orenstein & Koppel (at www.irsociety.co.uk) 22:21:25 <andythenorth> planetmaker: ^ 22:22:19 <planetmaker> gives you quite nice early vehicles :-) 22:22:35 <frosch123> the singular is nice :) 22:22:44 <frosch123> (of "Lokomotiv") 22:23:07 <planetmaker> :-D 22:26:06 <planetmaker> well, I guess in 1880s they applied different writing rules ;-) 22:26:30 <planetmaker> And it doesn't sound wrong in the word Lokomitv-Fabrik 22:27:30 *** _Terkhen_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 22:33:51 *** _Terkhen_ has quit IRC 22:34:02 *** andythenorth has left #openttdcoop.devzone 22:44:13 <dihedral> hehe - openhatch :-) 22:44:17 <dihedral> 2 replies today 22:44:21 <dihedral> positive also 22:44:42 <dihedral> one guys started commenting and providing good and usefull ideas, and documentation to read 22:44:57 <dihedral> another is willing to look at the source and either contribute or also comment :-) 22:56:36 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 23:06:26 *** ^ekipS^ has quit IRC 23:08:02 <dihedral> uh - 3 replies :-) 23:12:10 <Shammler> 3 replies without working project url :-) 23:13:07 <Shammler> now, I am sorry, I hope that doesn't cost you contributors :-( 23:17:03 <dihedral> oh no - they seem keen and willing to help :-) 23:17:18 <dihedral> i did send out a longish description of what i was doing etc. 23:17:23 <dihedral> so that was good ^^ 23:17:35 <dihedral> and the repo is small enough to be attached to an email :-D 23:37:03 <Shammler> @topic remove -1 23:37:03 *** Webster changes topic to "Talk about things hosted and developed on http://dev.openttdcoop.org | Downloads log: http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/log.csv | Sandbox passwords are the same as the usernames" 23:37:12 <Shammler> @topic server back but how long? 23:37:12 <Webster> Shammler: (topic [<channel>]) -- Returns the topic for <channel>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself. 23:37:17 <Shammler> @topic add server back but how long? 23:37:17 *** Webster changes topic to "Talk about things hosted and developed on http://dev.openttdcoop.org | Downloads log: http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/log.csv | Sandbox passwords are the same as the usernames | server back but how long?" 23:43:12 *** Hirundo has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 23:43:43 *** Ammler has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 23:44:55 *** SmatZ is now known as Guest1157 23:44:56 <planetmaker> \o/ @ Ammler :-) 23:45:03 *** SmatZ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 23:45:14 *** planetmaker has quit IRC 23:45:16 <Shammler> well, it isn't fixed, 23:45:21 <Shammler> it just works 23:45:34 <Shammler> but I have a clue now 23:45:52 *** Guest1157 has quit IRC 23:46:13 *** Terkhen has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 23:46:41 *** V453000 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 23:47:41 *** Yexo- has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 23:48:11 *** avdg has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 23:48:47 *** avdg1 has quit IRC 23:49:37 *** planetmaker has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 23:50:11 *** tneo has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 23:50:49 <Shammler> [00:49] <Ammller> I removed the complaing disk from the vg 23:50:51 <Shammler> [00:49] <Ammller> then it booted again 23:52:17 <planetmaker> hm 23:52:33 <Shammler> expect another reboot tomorrow at same time 23:52:46 <Shammler> but then with down time 5min only 23:53:04 <Shammler> hmm, or shall I know? 23:53:08 <Shammler> now* 23:53:35 <planetmaker> well. why not now? Unless you're already asleep 23:57:19 <Shammler> "Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary." <-- this was the issue, I assume 23:57:32 <Shammler> a failure of me and fdisk 23:58:42 <SmatZ> [00:53:06] <Shammler> but then with down time 5min only <== deja vu? 23:58:49 <Shammler> :-P 23:58:51 <Shammler> :-D 23:58:53 <SmatZ> :) 23:59:02 <Shammler> you are soooooo mean 23:59:07 <Shammler> :'-( 23:59:12 <SmatZ> you spent whole day fixing that! 23:59:15 <SmatZ> you are the hero 23:59:16 <Shammler> no 23:59:19 * SmatZ hugs Shammler 23:59:29 <Shammler> I was kinda offline the afternoon 23:59:35 <SmatZ> so was I :) 23:59:51 <SmatZ> still 23:59:57 <SmatZ> good job, it works :)