Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 5th January 2011:
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00:22:46  <DJNekkid> planetmaker: you dont happen to be awake do you?
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00:30:35  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Revision 715:159860ab669a: Fix: TGV lengths (DJNekkid) @
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00:36:32  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Revision 716:c5c3a1cc8778: Fix: Fix on the S-train IV (DJNekkid) @
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05:33:07  <Brot6> Bundles Update: g940264c0 2011-01-05 cargodist   (
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12:50:12  <fanioz> <--- well done, Ammler :D
12:55:15  <Ammler> ?
12:55:23  <Ammler> notice "-test"
12:58:52  <Ammler> also I noticed, the ai default build spec is not ready for releases
13:02:43  <Brot6> ailib-common: update from v2 to v2 done -
13:02:57  <Ammler> better :-)
13:03:37  <Brot6> ailib-string: update from v2 to v2 done -
13:16:54  <fanioz> :D
13:17:24  <fanioz> so, how to remove the *nightly*.tar
13:40:59  <Ammler> you don't
13:41:05  <Ammler> can't*
13:41:41  <Ammler> but there won't be any new nightly tars in the next release builds
13:41:48  <Ammler> I could cleanup those...
13:42:52  <Ammler> (cleanup done)
13:43:38  <fanioz> cool :D
13:44:18  <Ammler> those 2 are the only ai packages with releases, irght?
13:44:40  <Ammler> and don't you have readme or something to also publish
13:44:48  <fanioz> yup, for now
13:45:25  <fanioz> they are on tt-forum
13:46:26  <Ammler> I assume, the releases are those versions you upload to bananas?
13:46:37  <fanioz> yes, coorect
13:46:53  <fanioz> ~correct :)
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16:26:12  <Brot6> DevZone Help Center - Membership #2124 (New): Applying for project: MailAI (Hephi) @
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16:29:46  <Ammler> fanioz: added you to the project "Help Center", so you can handle Ai tasks requests :-)
16:35:03  <Ammler> I wonder, why it lost priority and watchers...
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16:39:53  <Brot6> DevZone Help Center - Membership #2124: Applying for project: MailAI (Ammler) @
16:40:28  <Ammler> he, andythenorth, changing nickname is funny in irc, as other channels don't get the fun :-P
16:42:02  <Brot6> repository /home/hg/ai-mailai registered in Redmine with url /home/hg/ai-mailai
16:42:02  <Brot6> repository /home/hg/ai-mailai created
16:56:05  <Ammler> do you guys still discuss ai stuff in #openttd.noai ?
16:58:01  <Ammler> shall brot join there and announce the aidev feed?
17:06:15  <frosch123> no, that channel is mostly dead
17:07:05  <frosch123> we could have renamed it to #openttd.dihedral lately :p
17:07:18  <dihedral> ?
17:07:25  <dihedral> ah :-D
17:07:30  <dihedral> lol
17:07:54  <dihedral> that is not my fault :-P
17:08:04  <Ammler> hehe
17:08:16  <Brot6> nml: update from r1121 to r1124 done -
17:08:16  <frosch123> anyway, that channel is somewhat more exclusive than the dev channel :p
17:08:27  <dihedral> heh
17:10:56  <dihedral> but it is too quiet in there
17:12:08  <Ammler> @topic remove 1
17:12:12  <Ammler> @services op
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17:12:14  <Ammler> @topic remove 1
17:12:14  *** Webster changes topic to "Talk about things hosted and developed on | Downloads log: | Sandbox passwords are the same as the usernames"
17:12:28  <Ammler> tomorrow :-)
17:15:37  <Ammler> dihedral: there is another advantage with the adminif
17:15:57  <Ammler> would be easier to run openttd with gdb as server
17:16:11  <dihedral> heh :-)
17:16:15  <dihedral> very neat idea
17:16:28  <dihedral> but the admin port does not pick up on that
17:16:31  <Ammler> I never got it working with autopilot
17:16:38  <dihedral> unless i introduce a ping and pong packet
17:17:06  * fanioz wonders, why he didn't receive any notice from his IRC client, except topic changes
17:18:02  <Brot6> 2cctrainset: update from r709 to r716 done (6 errors) -
17:18:05  <Ammler> fanioz: no highlights?
17:18:22  <fanioz> now, yes :D
17:18:23  <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: 32bpp-extra (r39), ai-admiralai (r75), ailib-common (r21), ailib-direction (r15), ailib-list (r22), ailib-string (r29), ailib-tile (r13), airportsplus (r70), basecosts (r22), belarusiantowns (r8), bros (r45), comic-houses (r71), firs (r1627), fish (r509), frenchtowns (r6), grfcodec (r818), heqs (r567), indonesiantowns (r41), manindu (r6), metrotrackset (r56), narvs (r5), newgrf_makefile
17:18:23  <Brot6> (r254), nml (r1124), nutracks (r121), ogfx-industries (r3), ogfx-landscape (ERROR r18), ogfx-rv (r78), ogfx-trains (r201), ogfx-trees (r42), opengfx (r593), openmsx (r97), opensfx (r97), smts (r19), snowlinemod (r45), spanishtowns (r10), swedishrails (r193), swisstowns (r22), transrapidtrackset (r15), ttdviewer (r26), ttrs (r24), worldairlinersset (r671)
17:18:24  <Ammler> well, I handled the request
17:18:30  <Ammler> did I do it right?
17:19:02  <fanioz> did not check it yet
17:19:12  <Ammler>
17:19:24  <Ammler> you prefix with "ai-" afaik
17:19:45  <fanioz> thats ok
17:20:08  <Ammler> I don't know, if that guy likes to use the repo or just the tracker or whatever
17:20:26  <Brot6> ogfx-landscape: compile of r18 still failed (#2121) -
17:20:29  <Ammler> but I enable the repo always just in case
17:21:05  <Ammler> it might be too complicated for newbies to find module setting and enabling that
17:21:48  <Brot6> Following repos rebuilds successful without any difference to earlier nightlies builds: airportsplus (Diffsize: 1), belarusiantowns, frenchtowns, indonesiantowns (1 errors), manindu (Diffsize: 1), narvs, newgrf_makefile, ogfx-industries, ogfx-rv (1 errors) (Diffsize: 2), ogfx-trains (Diffsize: 1), spanishtowns, swedishrails (Diffsize: 6), swisstowns
17:21:53  <fanioz> even for the 'newbie' admin :D
17:23:13  <Ammler> yeah, just enable module repos but don't touch repository settings tab
17:23:31  <Ammler> at least not before the script did create and register the repo
17:24:20  <Ammler> if the repo already exists (svn or something else) feel free to add it there
17:24:20  <fanioz> :D
17:38:55  <fanioz> a quick search in tt-forum: couldn't find Hephii with his MailAI.
17:38:56  <fanioz> however his last post on :
17:38:56  <fanioz> said that he want to make a new one. Hence he need a (new) repo.
17:38:56  <fanioz> He knows the future of, thus going to Devzone instead :D
17:38:57  <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums View topic - not a to hard AI (at
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17:53:22  <Brot6> Nutracks - Revision 122:28c207532049: Change: Removed depots, so now will all depots be the defau... (DJNekkid) @
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18:32:44  <Brot6> DevZone Help Center - Membership #2124 (Closed): Applying for project: MailAI (Hephi) @
18:32:44  <Brot6> DevZone Help Center - Membership #2124 (Closed): Applying for project: MailAI (fanioz) @
18:46:50  <iHephi> Hi, I'm trying to push my files to the server but I'm getting errors with both https or ssl.
18:46:51  <iHephi> abort: certificate error: certificate is for
18:46:51  <iHephi> [command interrupted]
18:46:51  <iHephi> Disconnected: No supported authentication methods available
18:48:14  <iHephi> Any clue on where I'm going wrong or what to check? I've read the manual at
18:48:26  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2125 (New): Shinkansen Series 700 redrawn (Voyager1) @
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19:00:44  <Brot6> 32bpp-ez-patches: compile of r21735 still failed (#2069) -
19:03:32  <Brot6> clientpatches: update from r21488 to r21488 done -
19:04:31  <Brot6> serverpatches: compile of r21735 still failed (#2080) -
19:18:16  * Ammler thinks about making own hg convert from openttd
19:20:45  <Brot6> MailAI - (Hephi) @
19:21:09  <Ammler> why don't people read the bold text?
19:21:37  <Ammler> I guess, the best is to completely get ride of every reference to ssh :-)
19:22:01  <Rubidium> bold text is meant to be not read
19:22:35  <Rubidium> after all, the bold stuff on my IRC client are mostly people /me-ing, my own lines and people joining
19:22:36  <iHephi> I'm trying the ssh option because the https didn't work
19:22:58  <Ammler> oh, you are here :-o
19:23:04  <Ammler> sorry, mssed that
19:23:08  <iHephi> :)
19:23:21  <iHephi> can you fix abort: certificate error: certificate is for
19:23:26  <Ammler> hmm
19:23:40  <Ammler> I thought, I have
19:23:54  <iHephi> I'll retry then
19:23:55  <Ammler> you client seems not be able using SNI
19:24:40  <Ammler> let me change the default ssl to
19:25:42  <Ammler> iHephi: can you try again?
19:26:24  <iHephi> <urlopen error [Errno 1] _ssl.c:480: error:14090086:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_SERVER_CERTIFICATE:certificate verify failed>
19:26:24  <iHephi> [command interrupted]
19:26:29  <Ammler> adding ssh access is quite a hassle
19:26:55  <Ammler> you are first having issues with ssl
19:27:02  <iHephi> I don't care what way as long as it works
19:27:24  <Ammler> you can browse to the push url with browser?
19:27:29  <iHephi> back in the day when I used CVS that worked fine
19:27:58  <iHephi> that works
19:28:10  <Ammler> without an error?
19:28:20  <iHephi> jep
19:28:24  <Ammler> what is your hg client?
19:29:18  <iHephi> 1.1.8
19:29:43  <Ammler> quite old
19:30:09  <Ammler> how did you install it?
19:30:24  <Ammler> I run 1.7.2
19:30:42  <iHephi> we're talking different things
19:30:42  <iHephi> News
19:30:43  <iHephi> 2011-01-01: TortoiseHg 1.1.8 (with Mercurial 1.7.3) released
19:30:49  <Ammler> hmm
19:31:47  <iHephi> I could try installing the 1.7.2 but that might cause even more troubles
19:31:58  <iHephi> and in the end the 1.7.3 should work anyway
19:33:44  <iHephi> it's the (for me correct) 64bit version
19:36:31  <Ammler> I don't think, it matters
19:36:53  <Ammler> I have temporary a non-ssl connection for you:
19:37:09  <Ammler> replace with
19:38:48  <iHephi> I don't think the problem is on your side
19:38:52  <iHephi> I get the same error
19:38:58  <iHephi> and via url it's available
19:41:35  <Ammler> iHephi: you replaced the url?
19:41:46  <Ammler> also https to http?
19:42:00  <Ammler>
19:43:02  <Ammler> iHephi:
19:43:03  <Webster> Title: tortoisehg / stable / issues / #1686 - error in _ssl.c with v 1.18 Bitbucket (at
19:43:03  <Brot6> Webster: Title: #1686 is "NewGRF Meta Language - Feature Request #1686: Allow action2layout without ground{} block - #openttdcoop Development Zone"
19:43:19  <Ammler> lol
19:43:35  <Ammler> (the "lol" was about Brot6)
19:46:58  <Brot6> MailAI - Revision 0:fcc57ddc3298: Fix #2124 (Hephi) @
19:47:00  <iHephi> https duh
19:47:17  <iHephi> ok, so unsecure works
19:47:28  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2087 (Closed): IC4 (DJNekkid) @
19:47:28  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2101 (Closed): AFE Class 1500 (DJNekkid) @
19:47:28  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #2126 (New): r716 bugs (Voyager1) @
19:49:23  <iHephi> was reading on bitbucket as well
19:50:46  <iHephi> all of this reminds me why I quit the IT and reschooled as a nurse :)
19:55:56  <Ammler> hmm
19:56:03  <Brot6> mode change on /home/hg/sandbox
19:56:07  <Ammler> I will update to 1.7.3 and test self
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19:58:19  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2100 (Closed): SNCF BB 9004 (DJNekkid) @
19:58:19  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #1699 (Closed): Shinkansen 0 series misalignment (Voyager1) @
20:00:21  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #2126: r716 bugs (Voyager1) @
20:01:28  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #2126: r716 bugs (Voyager1) @
20:06:48  <Brot6> Nutracks - Revision 123:57ddbd7f95e1: Change: 3rd rails now use purnos metrotracks instaed of the... (DJNekkid) @
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20:24:42  <Ammler> iHephi: care to test https again?
20:25:01  <Ammler> I forgot to add the ca class1 cert to the push doamin
20:26:04  <iHephi> I've been testing last hour
20:26:26  <iHephi> trying to manually add a 'trusted' certificate in hgrc
20:26:52  <Ammler> nah
20:27:02  <Ammler> that should not be needed with startcom
20:27:15  <Ammler> that is the whole reason, I didn't selfsign
20:27:32  <iHephi> I'm a noob when it comes to certificates
20:27:37  <Ammler> :-D
20:28:12  <Ammler> well, I found this: to my cert from another place
20:28:13  <Webster> Title: SSL Certificate Tester - Check Certificates (at
20:28:30  <Ammler> should now really work
20:29:22  <Brot6> MailAI - Revision 1:02b981e50d38: Fix: Secure upload certification (Hephi) @
20:29:40  <iHephi> huray!
20:30:37  <iHephi> only took us two hours :)
20:31:58  <Brot6> AI-Lib String - Bug #2114 (Rejected): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @
20:33:12  <Ammler> iHephi: you pushed with https?
20:33:31  <iHephi> yes
20:34:32  <Ammler> and wihtout adding trusted certs to your config?
20:34:47  <iHephi> yes
20:35:33  <Ammler> then I like to thank you, so we have fixed the 1.7.3 hg issue quite early :-)
20:36:00  <iHephi> well, you did mostly, I just tried and retried like a lemming
20:44:01  <Ammler> I keep the alternative
20:44:39  <Ammler> but I won't document it, just in case someone will ever complain about push issues, it might be worth to try with it
20:46:16  <Ammler> iHephi: does work for you still?
20:49:08  <iHephi> it does
20:50:12  <Brot6> MailAI - Code Review #2127 (New): use UTF-8 (Ammler) @
20:50:25  <Ammler> hmm, I meant every file
20:51:03  <Ammler> or on windows, it is called unicode or so
20:55:27  <andythenorth> Ammler: stable server not running?
20:56:15  <Ammler> ah, I liked to build a beta2 but then got disturbed by iHephi
20:56:51  <Ammler> andythenorth: you have a beta2 client running?
20:57:00  <andythenorth> no
20:57:15  <Ammler> I have no clue anymore how to build it :-P
20:57:53  <Ammler> and as I maintain the suse packages, there is no openttd beta2 there too :-)
20:58:35  <Ammler> I guess, I use svn :-P
20:59:22  <DJNekkid> are there any maglevs in NARS2/UKRS2/PJ1k ?
20:59:44  <Ammler> there was in nars1 and ukrs1
20:59:53  <Ammler> is*
21:00:02  <DJNekkid> i know, but i heavent tested version2 of either yet
21:00:08  <Ammler> :-)
21:01:08  <DJNekkid> and im trying to make up a new NuTracks tracktable with a few configurable options
21:02:36  <Terkhen> andythenorth: there are beta2 Mac OS X downloads
21:02:49  <andythenorth> that's good :)
21:02:59  <V453000> ukrs2 doesnt have maglev iirc
21:05:32  <Ammler> Terkhen: ping, there are also linux downloads :-P
21:05:42  <Ammler> tell me that earlier
21:08:08  <Terkhen> there have been linux generic downloads for years :P
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21:12:50  <Ammler> Terkhen: I know, I use the nightlies quite often
21:13:10  <Ammler> anyway, I need to figure how to build releases on hg again
21:14:51  <Ammler> andythenorth: server is up again
21:19:24  <iHephi> did you only want utf-8 for the txt and copying file or also for the nut files?
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21:30:33  <Ammler> I do not want them at all
21:30:41  <Ammler> I just recommend you using it
21:30:55  <Ammler> for every file, yes
21:31:36  <iHephi> I tried making eclipse save in utf-8 format but when I open them in notepad it looks like they stayed in ansi
21:32:17  <iHephi> or maybe notepad just sucks
21:33:14  <Terkhen> iHephi: try notepad++
21:33:50  <Rubidium> there isn't much difference between ASCII and UTF-8, unless you're using "fancy" characters
21:35:04  <iHephi> actually it's Eclipse that only offers the option to save txt files in UTF-8 but says nothing about other files
21:35:57  <iHephi> good idea Terkhen
22:03:58  <Ammler> maybe it offers it only, if you use chars above 127
22:04:04  <Ammler> as you have in the readme
22:15:04  <Brot6> MailAI - Code Review #2127 (Closed): use UTF-8 (Ammler) @
22:15:04  <Brot6> MailAI - Revision 2:73c0d3897bf3: Fix #2127 (Hephi) @
22:15:04  <Brot6> MailAI - Code Review #2127 (Closed): use UTF-8 (Hephi) @
22:15:43  <iHephi> I like notepad++ but I'm missing auto-complete and outlining
22:18:32  <Terkhen> well, it's not an IDE
22:21:15  <iHephi> I know
22:21:36  <iHephi> anyway, thanks all for the help, I'm off
22:22:05  <Ammler> iHephi: now you converted to UTF-8 but changed ° to degree :-P
22:22:36  <iHephi> hehe
22:22:46  <iHephi> too lazy to check if it showed correctly
22:22:56  <iHephi> but all files should be UTF-8 now
22:23:26  <iHephi> see ya
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22:23:50  <Ammler> and you have BOM, what was the issue with BOM again?
22:26:28  <Rubidium> it goes BOOM?
22:27:07  <Ammler> something like :-)
22:27:16  <Ammler> planetmaker: should know
22:28:15  <SmatZ> it broke things
22:28:41  <Ammler> of course it did :-P
23:01:43  <DJNekkid> what wiki-dialect does the redmine wiki have?
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23:07:04  <DJNekkid> Ammler: <nudge>
23:07:29  <Ammler> DJNekkid: I love you too
23:08:36  <DJNekkid> huh? :)
23:09:23  <Ammler>
23:09:51  <Ammler> just look at other wiki pages or ask me :-P
23:11:11  <DJNekkid> but i've made this table in a spreadsheet, saved it to html, and were thinking of converting it to wiki-language, and i found this "translator", but it had like 20 different dialects
23:11:50  <Ammler> does it have texttile?
23:12:04  <Ammler>
23:12:05  <Webster> Title: Textism: Tools: Textile (at
23:13:52  <Brot6> Nutracks - Untitled_1.html (DJNekkid) @
23:14:01  <DJNekkid> that file
23:15:00  <Ammler> where is your translator?
23:17:04  <DJNekkid>
23:17:05  <Webster> Title: html2wiki - Convert HTML text to wiki markup (at
23:26:14  <DJNekkid> any luck?4
23:48:57  <Ammler> <-- found a python script, but no idea, how to use it
23:48:58  <Webster> Title: html2textile Ben Godfrey (at
23:49:20  <Ammler> maybe our python friends can help?
23:49:51  <DJNekkid> i guess i'll just ipload the html file to the 2cc webspace or something
23:50:05  <DJNekkid> *up
23:50:55  <Ammler> why not add to the repo?
23:50:58  <Ammler> docs
23:51:35  <DJNekkid> can i link it there?
23:51:45  <DJNekkid> from i.e. the tt-forums?
23:51:52  <Ammler> yes, but you should do it with
23:52:08  <DJNekkid> i'll try
23:52:23  <Ammler> like nml:
23:53:21  <Ammler> <-- also you see the tab "Help & Reference"
23:53:37  <Brot6> Nutracks - Revision 124:d461edfdaab1: Add: A file with a plan, in html, finally (DJNekkid) @
23:54:35  <Ammler>
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23:58:48  <DJNekkid> yea :D Thanx :D
23:59:43  <Ammler> the html is quite ugly
23:59:50  <Ammler> is that made by excel?

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