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01:16:46 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 01:23:51 *** thgergo has quit IRC 01:30:59 <DJNekkid> <planetmaker> DJNekkid: then don't give the user page-long boolean choices 01:31:18 <DJNekkid> i wont give them _long_ choises 01:31:37 <DJNekkid> 3 different ones combined at max... 01:33:03 <DJNekkid> that would give (in my current 3-to-many-beers) 6 different ones 01:33:05 <DJNekkid> 1 01:33:06 <DJNekkid> 2 01:33:07 <DJNekkid> 3 01:33:13 <DJNekkid> 1-2 01:33:18 <DJNekkid> 2-3 01:33:20 <DJNekkid> 3-1 01:33:55 <DJNekkid> 1-3 01:34:07 <DJNekkid> thats ... ehn ,,, 7 01:34:36 <DJNekkid> no, 6 ... A=B = B=! 01:34:42 <DJNekkid> b=a 01:38:28 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2175: Parameter for train type availability (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2175#change-5372 01:39:39 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2175: Parameter for train type availability (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2175#change-5372 01:41:57 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2175: Parameter for train type availability (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2175#change-5373 01:53:39 *** DanMacK has quit IRC 05:33:01 <Brot6> Bundles Update: g06951eb2 2011-01-16 cargodist (http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/cargodist) 06:04:56 *** Lakie has quit IRC 08:19:13 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: then make each a separate boolean thing for the user. It's not a long list. 08:57:30 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:01:41 *** LordAro has quit IRC 11:23:09 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2175: Parameter for train type availability (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2175#change-5374 11:44:47 <Brot6> Polish PKP Set - Revision 3:2681bf0a3125: Feature: Eaos now has multiple graphics for full wagons... (BarthVader) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/pkp-trainset/repository/revisions/2681bf0a3125 11:47:44 <V453000> does Eaos still have those like 59 tonne capacity in PKP set? 11:52:00 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:30:32 *** frosch123 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:54:56 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 12:58:42 *** thgergo has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 13:00:37 *** frosch123 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 13:18:12 *** yorick has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 13:49:39 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 13:49:55 *** frosch123 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:45:27 <Brot6> Polish PKP Set - Revision 4:adbb63ae7f93: Feature: Uacs, Sdgmnss (BarthVader) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/pkp-trainset/repository/revisions/adbb63ae7f93 15:55:27 <frosch123> imo the name of sanity.cpp is quite offensive 15:57:52 <Rubidium> why? 15:58:12 <Rubidium> it's the only thing that looks sane, ain't it? 16:07:09 <frosch123> http://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/diffs/checkpal.diff <- trigger messages if there is no palette information 16:15:53 <Rubidium> I'd remove the "yet, " 16:16:07 <Rubidium> but besides that it looks dale-ish 16:23:35 <Rubidium> maybe docs/sanity.txt could get a small snippet showing how to add the palette 16:23:56 <Rubidium> besides that it looks okay to me 16:32:16 <frosch123> updated 16:36:09 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 16:36:25 *** frosch123 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:43:34 *** frosch has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:46:40 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 16:52:53 *** frosch has quit IRC 16:53:19 *** frosch has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:02:45 *** frosch has quit IRC 17:12:58 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:17:19 <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: 2cctrainset (r718), 32bpp-extra (r39), ai-admiralai (r75), ai-aroai (r10), ailib-common (r21), ailib-direction (r17), ailib-list (r32), ailib-string (r29), ailib-tile (r16), airportsplus (r70), basecosts (r22), belarusiantowns (r8), bros (r45), comic-houses (r71), firs (r1627), fish (ERROR r526), frenchtowns (r6), grfcodec (r818), heqs (r567), indonesiantowns (r41), manindu (r6), 17:17:19 <Brot6> metrotrackset (r56), narvs (r5), newgrf_makefile (r254), nml (ERROR r1134), nutracks (ERROR r139), ogfx-industries (r3), ogfx-landscape (ERROR r22), ogfx-rv (r78), ogfx-trains (r201), ogfx-trees (r42), opengfx (r593), openmsx (r97), opensfx (r97), smts (r19), snowlinemod (r45), spanishtowns (r10), swedishrails (r193), swisstowns (r22), transrapidtrackset (r15), ttdviewer (r26), ttrs (r24), worldairlinersset (r671) 17:30:41 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 17:40:38 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:48:43 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 17:50:32 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:59:31 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 18:15:33 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:37:33 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 19:00:58 <Brot6> 32bpp-ez-patches: compile of r21825 still failed (#2069) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/32bpp-ez-patches/testing/ERROR/r21825 19:03:45 <Brot6> clientpatches: update from r21488 to r21488 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/clientpatches/testing/r21488 19:04:49 <Brot6> serverpatches: compile of r21825 still failed (#2080) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/serverpatches/testing/ERROR/r21825 19:18:01 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2179 (New): SBB E 3/3 (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2179 19:18:34 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2179: SBB E 3/3 (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2179#change-5375 19:34:10 *** frosch123 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:39:31 <frosch123> !logs 19:39:39 <frosch123> @logs 19:39:40 <Webster> #openttdcoop IRC webstuff - IRC Log Viewer - http://webster.openttdcoop.org/ 19:40:05 *** Lakie has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:42:43 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:43:38 <Ammler> planetmaker: andythenorth, the api is back working again 19:43:43 <andythenorth> great 19:43:44 <Ammler> maybe you already noticed 20:00:35 <Brot6> GRFCodec - Revision 819:6ecca77a319d: Add: Warn when palette was not set via Action 14. (frosch) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/grfcodec/repository/revisions/6ecca77a319d 20:00:48 <frosch123> let's see on how many rebuilds that will trigger :p 20:04:18 <Lakie> Um, Rubidium, I doubt grfcodec needs that, it checks palette on image load. 20:04:26 <Lakie> (Well, that it is a ttd one) 20:05:26 <Brot6> Nutracks - Revision 140:b301c6908496: Add: Re-added the gfx bits :) (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nutracks/repository/revisions/b301c6908496 20:05:26 <Brot6> Nutracks - Revision 141:b004cd8389b8: Fix: Updated support for the 2cc trainset (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nutracks/repository/revisions/b004cd8389b8 20:05:29 <Lakie> Oh renum, does it ignore that if no action14? 20:06:00 <Brot6> nutracks: update from r138 to r141 done (1 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/nutracks/nightlies/r141 20:06:37 <frosch123> no, it complains when there is no action 14 (for grf version 7) 20:07:51 <frosch123> of course, one could also add an escape which is filled by grfcodec accordingly 20:17:30 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 20:18:24 <Rubidium> though that might not be the most reliable way 20:18:46 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:18:55 <Rubidium> when decoding and then encoding after changing just some NFO 20:20:17 <Lakie> Well, complaining about anj optional action is somewhat annoyign for altering older grfa 20:20:22 <Lakie> grfs* 20:22:12 <planetmaker> Lakie: it's a warning. And quite valid. 20:22:24 <planetmaker> As using it ensures that future newgrfs are much easier to handle 20:22:51 <planetmaker> making it compulsory wouldn't hurt either ;-) 20:23:01 <Lakie> Yeah, but that'd be like my putting warnings on any car before say 2009 because they don't have a sat nav 20:23:36 <planetmaker> no. It's putting warnings on a car before <whatever date> as it has no 3rd braking light or right rear mirror 20:23:46 <planetmaker> valid. Not required for old vehicles, but required for new ones 20:23:48 <Rubidium> Lakie: rather a warning on old cars that they don't have ABS 20:24:02 <Lakie> Perhaps, but those are still valid. 20:24:07 <Yexo> to keep the comparison valid: you only put a warning on that car once it goes to the garage anyway, not as long as you only drive in it 20:24:34 <Rubidium> (with ABS it's generally safer, likewise with action14 palette information OpenTTD will more likely do the right thing) 20:25:06 <planetmaker> yeah - like the manufacturers must produce cars now with 3 brake lights. But old ones without still pass technical fitness checks 20:25:09 <Lakie> Perhaps 20:25:53 <Rubidium> and when OpenGFX starts using the better palette, i.e. the DOS palette, many NewGRFs will be loaded with the wrong palette if this information isn't there 20:26:01 <Lakie> I understand the desire of OpenTTD developers to push action14, but it is an optional thing. 20:26:28 <planetmaker> Lakie: but as most newgrfs are used for OpenTTD, too and TTDPatch can handle it - what's wrong about it? 20:26:48 <Lakie> I just don't see the need to make it manditory 20:27:13 <planetmaker> well. As Rubidium said: automatich palette detection is more user comfort 20:27:39 <planetmaker> same as using the version and min_compatible_version are recommended to be used 20:27:57 <planetmaker> and all grfs by default are using the wrong palette, if one uses a DOS base set. 20:28:00 * Rubidium is more accustomed to seeing wrongly paletted NewGRFs than ones using the right palette ;) 20:28:01 <planetmaker> which is... annoying 20:28:47 <planetmaker> and moving to the DOS palette is a good thing, too: it has more colours. But in order to be able to do that: NewGRFs much announce their palette. 20:28:51 <Lakie> Well, if OpenTTD converts most graphics to dos, I imagine you would... 20:29:04 <planetmaker> Lakie: OpenTTD only uses DOS internally 20:29:10 <Lakie> I know 20:29:16 <frosch123> since when? 20:29:30 <planetmaker> half a year or so 20:29:35 <Lakie> Hense why you'd have issues since most grfs are tradionally window spaletted. 20:29:36 <Rubidium> interesting 20:29:48 <planetmaker> hm, not? 20:30:00 <Rubidium> Lakie: the problem isn't what OpenTTD uses internally 20:30:12 <Rubidium> the problem is that OpenTTD has no clue which palette is used, so it can't do the right thing 20:30:13 <frosch123> anyway, it is a warning, no error, so it is not mandatory 20:30:16 <Lakie> Its the base graphics? 20:30:30 <planetmaker> Lakie: yes and no. 20:30:52 <Rubidium> the extra base graphics are in the DOS palette and those are, if the original windows graphics are used, converted to the Windows palette 20:32:16 <planetmaker> as usual Rubidium made the point exactly: one cannot deduce the palette of a newgrf from any kind of information, but it's needed for correctly displaying the grf. 20:32:34 <planetmaker> independent of any base set palette being used. 20:32:54 <Lakie> Ok, 20:33:15 <Rubidium> so we're basically hinting NewGRF developers that actually use a really recent NFOrenum to add the information, or to override the warning 20:33:45 <Rubidium> and I'd say NFOrenum has more warnings that would trigger on old NewGRFs 20:33:49 <Rubidium> maybe even errors 20:33:56 <Lakie> Likely 20:34:17 <Rubidium> like... *cough*... old newobjects NewGRFs ;) 20:34:50 <Rubidium> does NFORenum actually check the grf version? 20:34:54 <frosch123> yes 20:35:05 <frosch123> but likely only for and 2..7 20:35:24 <frosch123> it also knows about version 7 vs. those before 20:35:39 <frosch123> but it does not know what features are available exactly in version 2 to 6 20:35:53 <Lakie> Most old newobject grfs should still be relatively valid. ;) 20:36:34 <Lakie> This said, I still see people not using text and escapes in nfo despite the face it could make life easier. 20:36:49 <Lakie> Oh that reminds me 20:37:00 <planetmaker> you also see people claiming to use grf version 1 ;-) 20:37:16 <Lakie> Can we disable conversion to text on say action2s and if its using a 16 bit textid, the second byte of the textid? 20:37:43 <Lakie> Seeing things like " ?" in my action2 advs is somewhat confusing. :) 20:38:08 <frosch123> "nforenum -a" fixes that stuff 20:38:13 <Rubidium> Lakie: if you know what to change at which location of nforenum I guess you can ;) 20:38:39 <frosch123> no idea, in which cases grfcodec produces ".."-stuff though 20:38:46 <Lakie> I was thinking more about grfcodec's decompiling sequence 20:39:12 <Lakie> Ok 20:39:43 <Lakie> Just seems to always claim the D0-D3 part of the textids confuing people. 20:40:12 <Lakie> Since they rewrite the string not knowing that the first character was the stringid. 20:42:59 <Lakie> Ah well, I guess I'll have a look over the grfcodec source later to see if its fixable. 20:43:51 <frosch123> the stuff is around info.cpp:240 20:44:22 <frosch123> no idea what it tries to do though :) 20:44:53 <Lakie> Heh, 20:45:09 <Ammler> [21:25] <Rubidium> and when OpenGFX starts using the better palette, i.e. the DOS palette, many NewGRFs will be loaded with the wrong palette if this information isn't there <-- could be easy avoided by setting default palette to windows 20:46:08 <Ammler> as long as baseset sets the default for the newgrfs palette, opengfx can't switch to dos, imo 20:47:24 <Rubidium> Ammler: but... that breaks other users 20:47:51 <Ammler> don't think so, you know a banans grf with dos palette without a14? 20:49:09 <frosch123> we could move the -i option to advanced settings 20:49:14 <Ammler> also it would still be possible to use dos paletted ttd base set 20:49:19 <frosch123> and use that one instead 20:51:17 <Ammler> you could use no a14=windows palette, a14 without palette=dos palette 20:51:42 <Lakie> Too generic 20:52:11 <Lakie> Lots of people are trying to make use of action14's other features (they should set palette though) 20:52:33 <Ammler> might be but the current solution with depending it on baseset doesn't make sense either, it is just a defintion 20:52:54 <Lakie> I guess 20:53:44 <Ammler> Lakie, I guess, that is the warning, frosch added, I just mean, the conversion of opengfx should not depend on that, rather depend what does openttd with newgrfs, which don't have a a14 at all 20:54:22 <Lakie> Well, like I said I have no issues with warning if they provide an action14 20:54:31 <Lakie> But I do if it warns because its ommited 20:55:08 <Ammler> oh, it does also warn if you don't have a14 at all? 20:55:27 <Lakie> I don't know, thats really what I wanted to know 20:56:19 * Lakie is sorry about the mess above, either way. 20:56:32 <frosch123> yes, it warns whenever you are using a14. just as it also warns on trailing bytes, or invalid dummy-realsprites, or mb-style recolour sprites 20:57:04 <frosch123> err, i meant: it warns whenever you are using grf version >= 7 20:57:27 <Ammler> frosch123: can't you reduce that to when a14 is used? 20:57:33 <frosch123> that is pointless 20:57:47 <Ammler> well, someone could make special nfo for patch 20:58:13 <Ammler> then you should rather warn for missing a14 20:58:22 <planetmaker> why? Newgrf are anyway used in both programmes 20:58:38 <Lakie> Heh, not really 20:58:43 <Ammler> patch doesn't work with a14 20:58:45 <Lakie> More likely in OpenTTD these days 20:58:56 <frosch123> Ammler: nightlies do 20:58:57 <Lakie> Many authors have forgone making things compatible 21:00:39 <Lakie> And yes, the nightlies ignore action14 as intented, The betas have an old bug which causes issues in skipping them 21:01:51 <Lakie> Some have complained over some things not being 'backported' to ttdpatch from openttd also. 21:01:57 <planetmaker> Lakie: I think quite a fair number still tries to keep things compatible 21:03:00 <Lakie> I'm unsure, the number of times I've seen just openttd when it should work in both is increasing 21:03:40 <Lakie> Whether that be they can only test OpenTTD I don't know. 21:04:13 <planetmaker> Lakie: well. It IS not always easy to test TTDP. It simply, for example, doesn't run on this machine. 21:04:15 <Ammler> Lakie: there aren't many "community people" left playing ttdp 21:04:36 <planetmaker> Unless I might go through a several-hours orgy of trying to configure dosbox away from its defaults. or wine 21:04:38 <Lakie> Ammler: this I know also. 21:04:38 <Rubidium> heh... we are working very hard to keep people playing TTDPatch ;) 21:04:38 <Ammler> you don't get feedback, if your set is working or not without strictly asking someone 21:04:39 <Lakie> ;) 21:04:44 <planetmaker> TTD actually works on wine, btw. 21:05:07 <Lakie> Not even the windows version of ttdpatch on wine? 21:05:20 * Lakie remembers something about Josef only testing on wine 21:05:28 <planetmaker> no. I tried a whole afternoon some time ago to actually get a test environment for that 21:05:35 <Lakie> Since he used linux and not windows... 21:06:03 <Ammler> Lakie: on linux, it works fine 21:06:10 <Ammler> planetmaker: is using osx 21:06:18 <Lakie> Ok, sorry about that. Afraid its outside of my expertice to fix though. :( 21:06:56 <planetmaker> it's the usual wine... but yeah, ttdpatch for windows just crashes on me... while ttd in the same wine config works 21:06:57 <Lakie> Just like the midi player locking and never being ulocked by the vista kernel 21:07:46 <Ammler> he, so wine is more like windows98 :-) 21:07:58 <Lakie> I thougt it was xp nowdays? 21:08:00 <Ammler> since you need ttdp for playing ttd on xp 21:08:27 <Ammler> Lakie: maybe the osx version is much behind the linux one 21:08:42 <Lakie> Ah ok 21:08:59 <planetmaker> Ammler: it's not... 21:09:28 <Ammler> planetmaker: well, it would make sense, never tried ttd 21:10:18 <planetmaker> Ammler: but it's not true. 1.3.4 is even newer than the current stable 21:11:04 <Ammler> hmm, ttd doesn't work 21:19:39 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 21:35:03 <Brot6> repository /home/hg/cargodist registered in Redmine with url /home/hg/cargodist 21:35:03 <Brot6> repository /home/hg/cargodist created 21:36:01 <planetmaker> hu? cargodist? 21:39:01 <Rubidium> if only... cpp were registered ;) 21:41:54 <Ammler> hehe 21:42:45 <Ammler> I deleted an old cargodist repo..., now the autoscript thought to need to create a hg repo instead 21:51:53 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 22:48:09 *** ODM has quit IRC 23:13:52 <Brot6> Nutracks - Revision 142:a3146a127376: Fix: The metro tracks with 'catenary' lacked the catenary b... (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nutracks/repository/revisions/a3146a127376 23:13:52 <Brot6> Nutracks - Revision 143:7841988f81a3: Change: All metro tracks now have the correct GUI (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nutracks/repository/revisions/7841988f81a3 23:13:52 <Brot6> Nutracks - Revision 144:7f2125cec74f: Change: the ugly 120/125kmh tracks is now replaced with def... (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nutracks/repository/revisions/7f2125cec74f 23:13:54 <Brot6> Nutracks - Revision 145:cb879df2c100: Add: Tunnel sprites (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nutracks/repository/revisions/cb879df2c100 23:16:27 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Revision 719:642a1eac9e6a: Change: Updated tracking table to the new stuffs in nu... (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/642a1eac9e6a