Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 21st January 2011:
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00:00:02  <Ammler> or tools like grf2html etc.
00:00:34  <Ammler>
00:04:08  <DJNekkid> :D
00:09:53  <DJNekkid> btw, new windows software helped alot
00:46:02  <DJNekkid> yey, samba works as well
00:47:01  <DJNekkid> perhaps i can get my raid card to work on this system now, and not just soft raid
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05:33:00  <Brot6> Bundles Update: gc14bf282 2011-01-21 cargodist   (
06:44:44  <Brot6> Polish PKP Set - Revision 7:703ab312b0ef: Feature: Sgs can now arry FIRS woll and fibre crops (BarthVader) @
06:44:44  <Brot6> Polish PKP Set - Revision 8:9863be0645d4: Feature: Gags, wagons now have limited top speed (BarthVader) @
07:23:26  <DJNekkid> and again Rubidium: thanx (FS4394)
07:45:10  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1138:cc6817f37b03: Add: Railtype sort order and enhance railtype ... (planetmaker) @
08:34:39  <Brot6> Polish PKP Set - pkp_set.pnml (BarthVader) @
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10:35:07  <DJNekkid> im gonna format a disk...
10:35:33  <DJNekkid> if i remove the option to have "ACL", will that remove permissions and such on files?
10:41:13  <Ammler> ACL is more an advanced permission control, usually you just define owner rights, user rights, and other rights, with acl you can do permissions like with windows
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12:53:06  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2186 (New): VL41 (Voyager1) @
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13:45:29  <DJNekkid> Rubidium: could you take a look at and see if ive understood it correctly, and that it makes sense (gonna be afk for about an hour from now)
13:52:24  <Yexo> DJNekkid, wouldn't it be more logical to cahange RMED to "need RLOW" and "give RLOW" ?
13:52:51  <Yexo> since RLOW both needs and gives RAIL, RAIL will be available as soon as RMED is
13:53:02  <Yexo> with your current scheme RLOW can be skipped
13:54:19  <DJNekkid> as far as i can see do RMID give both RLOW and RAIL
13:54:49  <Yexo> sorry, yes, you're right
13:55:05  <Yexo> still it would be cleaner imo just to give RLOW (and also need RLOW)
13:55:21  <Yexo> but this should also work
13:55:32  <DJNekkid> in other words...
13:55:39  <DJNekkid> if RMED comes, it gives RLOW
13:55:43  <DJNekkid> and RLOW gives RAIL
13:56:15  <Yexo> yes, but actually your current scheme is fine
13:56:37  <Yexo> if for some reason "RLOW" is not defined (say interference by another railtype newgrf) than RAIL will still be introduced
13:56:56  <DJNekkid> good, then i've understood it correctly
13:57:05  <DJNekkid> yes, that is exactly what i thought as well
13:57:09  <DJNekkid> do it as foolproof as possible
13:58:44  <DJNekkid> but NOW im afk
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15:25:07  <Rubidium> DJNekkid: that scheme makes sense
15:31:43  <DJNekkid> Rubidium: goodie :D Implemention will come soon(tm)
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16:52:26  <DJNekkid> anyone got any good tips on chown and chmod's on a dir that is shared between a few users?
16:56:38  <Ammler> make a group or use "users"
16:56:56  <Ammler> and then the shared dir is writeable by that group
16:57:04  <DJNekkid> i.e. 770 ?
16:57:14  <Ammler> for the dir, yes
16:57:34  <Ammler> files don't need x usually
16:57:44  <Ammler> -X
16:58:12  <Ammler> does set directories to x but skips files
16:58:50  <DJNekkid> and chown/chmod -rf <dir> would also be subdirs?
17:00:04  <DJNekkid> or with captial R atleast
17:00:28  <DJNekkid> as cp and mv and such
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17:05:37  <DJNekkid> !logs
17:05:41  <DJNekkid> !log
17:06:27  <Ammler> I guess -R is just an alias for -r
17:07:12  <Ammler> oh, yes, chmod might be -R, as r is for read
17:10:16  <DJNekkid> what was that packthingy you saied yesterday?
17:10:24  <DJNekkid> to buiild openttd, grfs and stuff
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17:26:48  <Ammler> zypper in openttd grfcodec
17:26:56  <Ammler> zypepr source-install openttd grfcodec
17:27:23  <Ammler> or si :-)
17:28:38  <DJNekkid> i found it out finally :)
17:28:46  <DJNekkid> but i get a new error when trying to pull:
17:28:49  <DJNekkid> Could not open a connection to your authentication agent.
17:30:04  <Ammler> because you can't use ssh anymore
17:30:15  <Ammler> if you lost the key
17:30:58  <DJNekkid> i had the key
17:31:11  <DJNekkid> but when i ssh-add /path_to/key i get that message
17:31:35  <Ammler> you mgiht need to install the agent first or start
17:33:06  <Ammler> ssh-agent
17:41:07  <Ammler> anyway, you should switch to https anyway, dunno, if that would survive the next migration :-)
18:01:48  <DJNekkid> how would i do that?
18:04:33  <Ammler> switch to https or start ssh-agent?
18:04:48  <DJNekkid> in hgrc?
18:04:50  <Ammler> hmm
18:04:59  <Ammler> there was no nightly run
18:05:22  <DJNekkid> paths]
18:05:24  <DJNekkid> default =
18:05:30  <DJNekkid> like that?
18:05:58  <Ammler>
18:06:14  <Ammler>
18:06:46  <Ammler> grfcodec might be a bad example, as you don't have access there, I guess
18:07:24  <DJNekkid> could probably use http for that?
18:07:39  <Ammler> yes, like on the wiki page, the first
18:07:51  <Ammler> anonymous http
18:08:05  <Ammler> well, anonymous http does also work with https
18:08:52  <Ammler> but for push, you need as that is the only host with authentication proxy
18:09:31  <Ammler> I use for pull (default) and for push (default-push)
18:10:41  <Ammler> > hg paths
18:10:43  <Ammler> default =
18:10:44  <Ammler> default-push =
18:11:08  <Ammler> but you also pull from the push url
18:11:17  <Ammler> does not really matter
18:11:41  <Ammler> just you need then to be at least developer of that project
18:14:16  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2187 (New): NS200 (Voyager1) @
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18:21:58  <dihedral> Ammler, planetmaker
18:22:10  <dihedral> if you want to i can give you my scripts for auto updating znc to latest version :-)
18:22:12  <planetmaker> dih, hedral ;-)
18:22:17  <dihedral> lol
18:22:46  <Ammler> you mean kind of autoupdate?
18:22:49  <dihedral> 'autoupdating' is a bit over the top but yeah
18:23:10  <dihedral> it has ./ ./ ./ and ./
18:23:23  <Ammler> well, if I update, I usually push that to the suse repo
18:23:26  <dihedral> directories znc znc.old
18:23:40  <dihedral> files motd and downloads latest nightly source from their website (no svn)
18:23:50  <dihedral> ah well :-)
18:27:45  <Ammler> since we try to have every service on its own vps
18:27:58  <Ammler> it doesn't make sense (imo) to install everywhere the build tools
18:28:20  <DJNekkid> thomas@dhcppc0:/home/pub/newgrf/newtracks> hg push
18:28:21  <DJNekkid> real URL is
18:28:22  <DJNekkid> abort: unexpected response:
18:28:24  <DJNekkid> 'push with SSL only!\n\n\n'
18:28:24  <dihedral> that for sure is true Ammler :-)
18:28:27  <Ammler> so I have a "build vps" where I create the rpm
18:28:39  <dihedral> nice setup Ammler :-)
18:29:03  <Ammler> and because I have the rpm, I submit those to suse and they mostly take those
18:29:31  <dihedral> not bad :-)
18:29:39  <Ammler> so I can contribute a bit to the suse community
18:33:32  <Ammler> DJNekkid: tried to read that?
18:33:47  <Ammler> is that that hard to understand?
18:34:16  <Ammler> what is your push url?
18:34:59  <DJNekkid> default =
18:35:17  <Ammler> now change that to a "push with SSL only" url
18:35:34  <DJNekkid> bah
18:35:44  <Ammler> ok, I help you: httpS://...
18:36:25  <DJNekkid> put that in a paranthes ... SSL only (https), so noobs like me understand P
18:36:40  <Ammler> :-D
18:36:57  <Ammler> \n\n\n' <-- here?
18:37:17  <DJNekkid>
18:37:34  <DJNekkid> there
18:37:45  <Ammler> yes, click on it and read the example url
18:39:07  <DJNekkid> well, it worked now :)
18:40:48  <Ammler> well, I added it
18:45:41  <Brot6> Nutracks - Revision 149:ad91bd382f2e: Add: Testing new push (DJNekkid) @
19:02:45  <Brot6> 32bpp-ez-patches: update from r21636 to h092890f6 done -
19:05:35  <Brot6> clientpatches: update from r21488 to r21488 done -
19:06:39  <Brot6> serverpatches: compile of r21884 still failed (#2080) -
19:17:50  <Brot6> 2cctrainset: update from r719 to r720 done (6 errors) -
19:18:04  <Brot6> ai-aroai: update from r10 to r11 done -
19:18:42  <Brot6> grfcodec: update from r819 to r821 done -
19:19:26  <Brot6> nml: update from r1135 to r1138 done -
19:19:47  <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: 32bpp-extra (r39), ai-admiralai (r75), ailib-common (r21), ailib-direction (r17), ailib-list (r32), ailib-string (r29), ailib-tile (r16), airportsplus (r70), basecosts (r22), belarusiantowns (r8), bros (r45), comic-houses (r71), firs (r1627), fish (r526), frenchtowns (r6), heqs (r567), indonesiantowns (r41), manindu (r6), metrotrackset (r56), narvs (r5), newgrf_makefile (r254),
19:19:47  <Brot6> ogfx-industries (r3), ogfx-landscape (r22), ogfx-rv (r78), ogfx-trains (r201), ogfx-trees (r42), opengfx (r593), openmsx (r97), opensfx (r97), smts (r19), snowlinemod (r45), spanishtowns (r10), swedishrails (r193), swisstowns (r22), transrapidtrackset (r15), ttdviewer (r26), ttrs (r24), worldairlinersset (r671)
19:20:31  <Brot6> Nutracks - Bug #2188 (New): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @
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19:27:05  <Brot6> nutracks: compile of r149 still failed (#2188) -
19:32:20  <Brot6> Following repos rebuilds successful without any difference to earlier nightlies builds: 2cctrainset (6 errors), 32bpp-extra (2 errors) (Diffsize: 12), airportsplus (Diffsize: 1), basecosts, belarusiantowns, bros, comic-houses (3 errors) (Diffsize: 22), firs (Diffsize: 1172), fish (1 errors), frenchtowns, heqs, indonesiantowns (1 errors), manindu (Diffsize: 1), metrotrackset (Diffsize: 1), narvs, newgrf_makefile, ogfx-industries,
19:32:20  <Brot6> ogfx-landscape, ogfx-rv (1 errors) (Diffsize: 2), ogfx-trains (Diffsize: 1), ogfx-trees, opengfx (2 errors) (Diffsize: 11), smts (Diffsize: 8), snowlinemod (1 errors) (Diffsize: 11), spanishtowns, swedishrails (Diffsize: 6), swisstowns, transrapidtrackset (Diffsize: 12), ttrs (7 errors) (Diffsize: 1324), worldairlinersset (Diffsize: 11)
19:44:36  <Brot6> MailAI - Revision 10:a2cb716651fd: - IMPROVE Handling objects in the way of the railpathfinder. (... (Hephi) @
19:59:15  <DJNekkid> Yexo, Rubidium: you probably knew it already, but thoose two railtype features works very nice! :D
19:59:43  <DJNekkid> thanx a million times :D
20:00:20  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2189 (New): BR Class 14 (Voyager1) @
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21:15:25  <LordAro> evening
21:15:49  <LordAro> Ammler: what was the diff format you suggested to use for the 32bpp-extra diffs?
21:16:05  <LordAro> it was a git diff style, or something... :)
21:17:10  <planetmaker> any format which suits you probably is fine
21:17:47  <planetmaker> svn format is more widely accepted (by those with a limited patch executable on windows), but the git format is more powerful and carries more info in some cases
21:17:51  <LordAro> yeah, but Ammler suggested another for handling binary files better, or something
21:18:05  <planetmaker> which is git ;-)
21:18:26  <LordAro> ok then, how to enable it on mercurial?
21:18:37  <Ammler> diff.git = 1
21:18:50  <LordAro> in the hgrc file?
21:18:59  <Ammler> if you are at it, you could also set diff.nodates = 1
21:19:01  <planetmaker> [diff]
21:19:02  <planetmaker> git = True
21:19:35  <LordAro> Ammler: why the nodates?
21:19:37  <Ammler> then your mercurial works also fine mq repo
21:20:03  <Ammler> diff of a diff :-)
21:20:24  <Ammler> s/a diff/diffs/
21:20:50  <LordAro> yeah, they look funny :)
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21:27:09  <Brot6> 32bpp-ez-patches - Bug #2069 (Closed): DevZone compile failed (GeekToo) @
21:29:12  <Brot6> 32bpp-ez-patches - Support #2025 (Closed): Update patch and retrigger for osx (GeekToo) @
21:32:34  <Brot6> 32bpp-ez-patches: compile of h48de1c63 still failed (#1693) -
21:35:11  <LordAro> damn @ 32bpp-ez... :D
21:44:58  <Brot6> FISH - Revision 527:c0eebd64c572: Add: graphic files for Kometa hydrofoil (andythenorth) @
21:45:41  <Rubidium> that failure looks like something of the compile farm
21:45:51  <Rubidium> it seems to be missing lzma
21:46:03  * andythenorth does ponder
21:46:11  <Terkhen> that looks nice, andythenorth :)
21:46:15  <andythenorth> hydrofoils: PAX only or PAX + mail?
21:46:23  <andythenorth>
21:46:24  <Webster> Title: Russian Hydrofoil Page (at
21:46:30  <andythenorth> art is by DanMacK
21:46:32  <andythenorth> and lead@inbox
21:46:35  <andythenorth> I'm just coding :)
21:46:35  <planetmaker> pax+mail
21:47:06  <andythenorth> bah
21:47:08  <andythenorth> fricking refit masks
21:47:15  <Terkhen> :D
21:47:17  <andythenorth> I should probably allow for ECS tourists as well
21:47:18  <planetmaker> uhm? two entries?
21:47:32  <planetmaker> two classes and done. what's the issue?
21:47:38  <planetmaker> cc_passengers and cc_mail
21:47:43  <andythenorth> I have to go look things up is the issue :D
21:48:01  * planetmaker usually just copy&pastes
21:48:07  <andythenorth> and then do some byte swapping in my head
21:48:40  <Brot6> 32bpp-extra - Feature #2190 (New): extra sprites diff (LordAro) @
21:49:06  <andythenorth> hmm
21:49:20  <andythenorth> so I leave refittable types at 00 00 00 00
21:49:25  <andythenorth> and set the refittable classes
21:51:21  <andythenorth> tis not work :(
21:53:22  <andythenorth> I hate these properties :(
21:53:45  * Terkhen just copied them :P
21:53:57  <andythenorth> I don't have anything to copy from
21:54:04  <planetmaker> is it indicated as refittable?
21:54:14  <planetmaker> don't you have other ships?
21:54:20  <planetmaker> which refit?
21:54:34  <andythenorth> it's refittable
21:54:48  <andythenorth> the other ships refit to freight
21:59:55  <andythenorth> a cargo mask of 05 00 00 00 should get me mail
22:00:01  <andythenorth> and PAX
22:00:04  <andythenorth> but it gets mail only
22:00:28  <frosch123> do you also have classes set'?
22:00:51  <andythenorth> nope
22:00:57  <andythenorth> I need to use the classes anyway
22:00:58  <frosch123> i guess you should go for mask=0, non-refittable-classes=0 and refittable-classes = pax|mail
22:01:00  <andythenorth> to support tourists
22:01:20  <andythenorth> I shall try again
22:02:32  <andythenorth> yay
22:02:45  <andythenorth> I remembered how to deal with endian-ness properly
22:02:55  <andythenorth> it's inhuman
22:03:19  <andythenorth> especially because the wiki doesn't really correspond to the code needed
22:05:53  <andythenorth> it's more like a meta-manual than a manual
22:06:14  <andythenorth> anways, the refit is now correct :)
22:06:18  <andythenorth> minor drama over
22:06:28  <Terkhen> :)
22:15:07  <Brot6> nutracks: update from r146 to r152 done (1 errors) -
22:17:46  <DJNekkid> yey! NuTracks is ALMOST finished(tm)
22:21:47  <andythenorth> where's 0.1? :P
22:22:10  <DJNekkid> actually, i think im gonna go streight to 1.0 :)
22:22:43  <DJNekkid> depending on the size, am i probably around 10 commits from 1.0
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22:45:00  <DJNekkid> oh damn... the MPH-people are gonna complain so much!
22:45:03  <Brot6> Nutracks - Revision 150:eca333632b1f: Change: support for prop 17-18-19-1A in the default tracks (DJNekkid) @
22:45:03  <Brot6> Nutracks - Revision 151:b42f8dcda4d6: Change: support for prop 17-18-19-1A in the metro tracks (DJNekkid) @
22:45:03  <Brot6> FISH - Revision 528:02aa17da21dc: Change: add templates and IDs for kometa hydrofoil (andythenorth) @
22:45:05  <Brot6> FISH - Revision 529:9c94b95ce370: Change: set properties for kometa hydrofoil (andythenorth) @
22:45:08  <Brot6> Nutracks - Revision 152:c77aeb8272c6: Change: same changes to the 3rd rail trackset (DJNekkid) @
22:45:12  <Brot6> Nutracks - Revision 153:489f204e5f4e: Change: Commented away all of the invisible engine code (DJNekkid) @
23:12:33  <Brot6> 32bpp-ez-patches: update from h092890f6 to h4c3bec28 done -
23:17:03  <Brot6> 32bpp-extra - Feature #2190: extra sprites diff (GeekToo) @
23:17:04  <Ammler> it should trigger a new compile now
23:18:03  <Brot6> 32bpp-extra - Feature #2190: extra sprites diff (Ammler) @
23:20:37  <Brot6> 32bpp-extra - Feature #2190: extra sprites diff (GeekToo) @
23:21:49  <Brot6> 32bpp-extra - Feature #2190: extra sprites diff (Ammler) @
23:25:34  <Brot6> 32bpp-extra - Feature #2190: extra sprites diff (GeekToo) @
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23:33:30  <GT> Ammler, still here, havent been very active recently, and the logs dont work
23:34:22  <GT> I read a note that my mail is not working, please try again, my account is still active
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23:34:53  <Ammler> did you change the email?
23:35:31  <GT> Nope, and I receive mail just tonight, so I dont know what's wrong
23:36:20  <Ammler>
23:37:08  <Ammler> Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:
23:37:10  <Ammler>     GeekToo - at -
23:37:11  <Ammler> Technical details of permanent failure:
23:37:13  <Ammler> Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the recipient domain. We recommend contacting the other email provider for further information about the cause of this error. The error that the other server returned was: 550 550 Requested action not taken: mailbox unavailable (state 14).
23:37:42  <GT> yes, and tonight I received mail from after committing, so I think the account is fine
23:38:03  <Ammler> ok, then it was something broken with gmail, dunno
23:38:39  <GT> please send me something now, for testing, I ve got my inbox open now
23:39:24  <Ammler> mail is out
23:40:06  <GT> Hello :-) to you too, seems it's ok
23:40:35  <Ammler> maybe you box was full?
23:40:55  <GT> dont thinks so, anyway, it now works again
23:41:16  <Ammler> 02 Jan 2011 04:19:33 -0800 (PST)
23:41:21  <Ammler> was the time, I sent
23:41:42  <Ammler> well, the topic is obsolete now
23:42:13  <Ammler> I was asking you, how to handle LordAro, which likes to contribute to 32bpp-extra
23:42:35  <GT> I updated to latest trunk again for 32bpp-ez, but I saw a strange revision nr in the testing dir?
23:42:47  <Ammler> I told him to make a git diff, so you can easy apply it and test, if he is worth to become a dev ;-)
23:42:55  <GT> I already added him as dev
23:43:13  <Ammler> you removed the compilefarm.diff
23:43:15  <GT> He did a  lot of stuff for 32bpp on Jupix repo
23:44:08  <Ammler> I also had to update the build script for openttd mqs
23:44:12  <GT> shit, you're right, I edited the series file, I dont need that locally, and it gave me some trouble with michi_cc commits
23:44:22  <GT> I will correct that soonish
23:44:27  <Ammler> xz-devel/xz was missing
23:45:11  <Brot6> Nutracks - Revision 154:4542d760b602: Change: Moved PARAM2 -> PARAM1 (DJNekkid) @
23:45:11  <Brot6> Nutracks - Revision 155:94e0b3ec19dd: Add: Action14's to select speedlimits on the different trac... (DJNekkid) @
23:45:15  <Ammler> if you like I can do that, there are some changes lately, maybe we don't need to patch findversion at all anymore
23:46:16  <Ammler> I made some tests with hgsubversion, we might change the openttd "mainrepo" to that
23:46:38  <GT> at a point in time, gave an error, having to much arguments when multiple tags where present, dunno if that is still the case
23:47:08  <GT> what is  hgsubversion, a merge of svn and hg?
23:47:27  <Ammler> GT, theoretically you should patch beta4 so you are able to join a server
23:47:56  <GT> patch beta 4?
23:48:06  <Ammler> the releases
23:48:50  <Ammler> as your patch should be MP compatible to official openttd binaries
23:52:35  <GT> Not sure, there may be some quirks, but Ill give it a try. tagging it is probably better than branching? i.e. double heads
23:52:38  <Ammler> but I didn't bother to check how the new release mechanism works and how you need to patch so you got MP compatible release string
23:54:04  <GT> And a problem will be the 32bpp-extra newgrf, it is not considered a static grf
23:54:21  <Ammler> why?
23:54:36  <GT> waterworks, and actions 3 iirc
23:54:46  <Ammler> you don't have those in your extra grf, do you?
23:55:04  <Ammler> wasn't that also a reason for the own 32bpp-extra grf
23:55:42  <GT> I think I do, copied from opengfx, but that is a base grf, so handles waterworks differently than a  newgrf
23:56:10  <Ammler> hmm, what happens if you use a special baseset grfid?
23:56:16  <GT> I may rip it out, also beneficial for the startup screen
23:57:20  <GT> since the 32bpp grf is not active at startup, coastline is glitchy at game start (detail, but still unpleasant)
23:57:47  <Ammler> we can ask frosch, what is needed to make a newgrf ingoring that sanity check, he might not want to support that maybe
23:58:03  <Ammler> maybe you then add it to your patch at least
23:58:25  <Ammler> hmm
23:58:44  <Ammler> why not fork opengfx and make a real baseset?
23:58:48  <DJNekkid> update god damn it :D i have a beta to release
23:58:49  <GT> tried baseset ids but could not get it to work, only way seems to be to create some obs files, copy the ogfx grf and  replace the extra one with the 32bpp one
23:59:07  <DJNekkid> oh, nvm that one :P i had scrolled up abit
23:59:15  <Ammler> it should not be that hard for you to simply pull from opengfx
23:59:26  <Ammler> and having the 32bpp-extra stuff in your own branch
23:59:44  <GT> exactly what i was thinking
23:59:53  <DJNekkid> Ammler: isnt things with tags supposed to autobuild?

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