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00:22:59 *** Lakie has quit IRC 01:20:24 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 02:04:19 <Brot6> Bundles Update: r21891 2011-01-23 32bpp-ez (http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/32bpp-ez) 02:35:58 *** thgergo has quit IRC 05:32:59 <Brot6> Bundles Update: g2ad8cb24 2011-01-23 cargodist (http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/cargodist) 07:47:09 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 09:19:01 *** Hobiku_Dudukin_Perut-6pack has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 09:19:01 *** Hobiku_Dudukin_Perut-6pack has left #openttdcoop.devzone 09:19:51 *** Hobiku_Dudukin_Perut-6pack has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 09:19:51 *** Hobiku_Dudukin_Perut-6pack has left #openttdcoop.devzone 09:29:25 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 09:30:20 *** steven28t has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 09:30:20 -steven28t- my friend's music group http://www.reseauurbain.com/FUJTIF 09:30:20 <steven28t> my friend's music group http://www.reseauurbain.com/FUJTIF 09:30:20 *** steven28t has left #openttdcoop.devzone 09:30:26 <Webster> Title: FuJTif sur RéseauUrbain.com (at www.reseauurbain.com) 09:35:47 *** Hobiku_Dudukin_Perut-6pack has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 09:35:47 *** Hobiku_Dudukin_Perut-6pack has left #openttdcoop.devzone 09:39:06 *** Hobiku_Dudukin_Perut-6pack has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 09:39:06 *** Hobiku_Dudukin_Perut-6pack has left #openttdcoop.devzone 10:29:31 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #2196 (New): Engineering and Farm Supplies over reporting del... (OwenP) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2196 11:32:18 *** frosch123 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:38:54 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:43:24 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 11:45:37 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2197 (New): Le Belge (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2197 11:50:32 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 11:51:59 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:53:10 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:48:04 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 13:39:48 *** thgergo has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 13:59:20 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 14:00:53 <DJNekkid> good morning :D 14:02:27 <frosch123> you are on a visit at belugas' place? 14:02:30 <frosch123> :p 14:06:43 <Ammler> frosch123: morning is when someone get up :-) 14:07:25 <V453000> planetmaker: the nutracks very low speed rail is swedish rails, right? :) 14:07:52 <V453000> just because I tried it with total bridge renewal set and due to some reason it works with it perfectly :) 14:10:19 <planetmaker> no idea 14:10:39 <planetmaker> I didn't look at it recently 14:10:50 <Ammler> don't you need to load both sets? 14:11:03 <V453000> it will be on stable shortly :) 14:11:12 <planetmaker> ser won't currently work well with nutracks 14:11:24 <planetmaker> djn changed all labels, thus they're incompatible 14:11:26 <V453000> I dont want them together 14:11:43 <V453000> I am just wondering if nutracks are using SER sprites for some rails 14:11:47 <Ammler> oh, ser graphics seems to be included in nutracks 14:11:49 <V453000> because they are damn similar :) 14:11:51 <V453000> yes 14:11:59 <Ammler> according to the release changelog 14:12:17 <V453000> and they work very nicely with the bridges, where ser do work with bridges, but it isnt very visible :) 14:12:40 <Ammler> yeah, we need a bridge set without tracks :-) 14:13:28 <V453000> well, yes, but total bridge renewal set does work with nutracks 14:13:46 <V453000> swedish rails change it somehow, but almost insignificantly 14:16:19 <Ammler> V453000 you mean nutracks works better with ttbs as ser? 14:16:26 <V453000> yes 14:20:48 <DJNekkid> V453000: yes, the VLS tracks is sweed rails 14:21:31 <V453000> :) 15:08:18 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #2196 (Feedback): Engineering and Farm Supplies over reportin... (OwenP) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2196 15:08:18 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #2196 (Feedback): Engineering and Farm Supplies over reportin... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2196#change-5401 15:40:09 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 15:44:57 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1628:35594b68136d: Fix: explicitly handle production cbs... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/35594b68136d 15:44:57 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1629:c8b64b8c01d4: Fix: explicitly handle production cbs... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/c8b64b8c01d4 15:44:57 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1630:d9c7de782aeb: Fix: wrong number of ranges set in pr... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/d9c7de782aeb 15:44:59 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1631:fb504e2fc808: Fix: explicitly handle production cbs... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/fb504e2fc808 15:46:45 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #2196: Engineering and Farm Supplies over reporting delivery (OwenP) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2196#change-5402 15:49:42 <Brot6> Nutracks - Bug #1876 (Closed): Building r116 and r117 failed. (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1876#change-5403 15:49:42 <Brot6> Nutracks - Bug #2176 (Closed): DevZone compile failed (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2176#change-5404 15:49:42 <Brot6> Nutracks - Bug #2188 (Closed): DevZone compile failed (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2188#change-5405 15:49:42 <Brot6> Nutracks - Bug #2191 (Closed): DevZone compile failed (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2191#change-5406 15:49:44 <Brot6> Nutracks - Feature #972 (Closed): disable "track type enabler vehicles" by parameter (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/972#change-5407 16:07:04 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:42:18 <V453000> DJNekkid: is it possible to make the nutracks as diverse as they used to be? I mean, the first tracks very cheap, and the very high speed tracks super expensive? 16:56:07 <DJNekkid> V453000: isnt they that now?? 16:56:20 <V453000> they used to be far more expensive 16:56:35 <V453000> or ... the differences seemed much more significant to me 16:57:10 <V453000> I remember that when I played with it, I never had too much money thanks to the costs of better rails 16:57:51 <V453000> very high speed rail did cost about 50k pounds per tile iirc 16:58:03 <V453000> which is good imo :) nobody can start a company and have fast trains right away 17:00:07 <DJNekkid> nah 17:00:15 <DJNekkid> the 'unlimited' rails were 10k 17:00:31 <DJNekkid> uninfladed pounds per tile 17:00:42 <V453000> right :) 17:00:47 <V453000> but they arent now :p 17:00:54 <DJNekkid> 7k iirc 17:01:13 <DJNekkid> in the first versins were all prices more a 'feel' 17:01:18 <DJNekkid> now its more math'ish 17:01:56 <V453000> 1181 per tile :( 17:02:07 <DJNekkid> the unlimted speed ones? 17:02:09 <V453000> yes 17:02:29 <V453000> well, either it was math or fell, I really like it and it was quite defining nutracks imo :) 17:02:47 <DJNekkid> eel! 17:02:49 <DJNekkid> k 17:02:51 <DJNekkid> eeek! 17:03:09 <DJNekkid> it is supposed to be higher then this 17:03:41 <V453000> :) 17:04:53 <DJNekkid> now this is wierd! 17:05:39 <DJNekkid> im bound to say its a bug in openttd, but im not 100% sure yet 17:06:04 <DJNekkid> http://hg.openttdcoop.org/nutracks/raw-file/tip/docs/plans.html 17:06:12 <DJNekkid> that is how the prices is SUPPOSED to be 17:06:36 <DJNekkid> and when i tested a couple of weeks ago they were so 17:06:45 <DJNekkid> and i heavent touched the prices sinse that 17:07:28 <DJNekkid> but it _might_ be a wrong basecost 17:07:45 <V453000> no crossings for faster rails ? :( 17:08:10 <DJNekkid> no 17:08:18 <DJNekkid> not for 230 and higher 17:08:37 <V453000> why :( 17:08:49 <DJNekkid> unsafe :) 17:09:29 <Ammler> lol 17:09:58 <V453000> umm 17:10:12 <V453000> only dumb people send RVs over rails anyway 17:10:25 <V453000> and crossings are good for penalties for trains 17:11:30 <DJNekkid> use 'reverse' pbs 17:12:07 <DJNekkid> btw 17:12:16 <V453000> yes, that is for larger penalty :) 17:12:22 <V453000> and that violates the signal block 17:13:13 <V453000> which could be solved just by bypassing the PBS with another dummy rail, but that requires space that is not there sometimes :) 17:13:17 <Ammler> V453000: maybe that could be bugreported 17:13:41 <V453000> should 2way PBS not violate the block? 17:13:48 <V453000> I think when it does it is fine 17:13:51 <Ammler> I wonder why? 17:14:01 <V453000> well, yes, but it is ok when it does :) nothing bad 17:15:22 <Ammler> hmm 17:15:42 <Ammler> you just said, it violates the block, so that is bad, isn't? 17:15:53 <V453000> well 17:16:09 <V453000> it could be used better if it didnt 17:16:25 <V453000> but I am not sure if it should stay that way or not 17:16:44 <Ammler> well, find a situation, where that is useable 17:17:05 <Yexo> the fact you could use it doesn't mean it should be supported by openttd 17:17:14 <Ammler> maybe it is not a bug, but there are also feature requests possible ;-) 17:17:19 <Yexo> what you effectively want in those cases is some configurable penalty for the rail 17:17:37 <Yexo> it doesn't have anything to do with signals 17:18:08 <Ammler> Yexo: why does a pbs terminate a block, that is not logical to me 17:18:42 <Yexo> so a rail network with only pbs signals should be one giant block? 17:19:18 <Brot6> firs: update from r1627 to r1631 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/nightlies/r1631 17:19:24 <Ammler> would it hurt? 17:19:36 <DJNekkid> hmm 17:19:37 <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: 2cctrainset (r720), 32bpp-extra (r39), ai-admiralai (r75), ai-aroai (r11), ailib-common (r21), ailib-direction (r17), ailib-list (r32), ailib-string (r29), ailib-tile (r16), airportsplus (r70), basecosts (r22), belarusiantowns (r8), bros (r45), comic-houses (r71), fish (ERROR r532), frenchtowns (r6), grfcodec (r821), heqs (r567), indonesiantowns (r41), manindu (r6), metrotrackset (r56), 17:19:37 <Brot6> narvs (r5), newgrf_makefile (r254), nml (r1138), nutracks (r162), ogfx-industries (r3), ogfx-landscape (r22), ogfx-rv (r78), ogfx-trains (r201), ogfx-trees (r42), opengfx (r593), openmsx (r97), opensfx (r97), smts (r19), snowlinemod (r45), spanishtowns (r10), swedishrails (r193), swisstowns (r22), transrapidtrackset (r15), ttdviewer (r26), ttrs (r24), worldairlinersset (r671) 17:19:50 <DJNekkid> it seems like nutracks skips the cost parameter 17:19:55 <Ammler> I didn't say, it is wrong, I just wonder, if there is a situation, where terminating a block is useable 17:20:01 <DJNekkid> so it bydefault runs at quarter prices 17:20:15 <V453000> well, networks with only 2way PBS are just stupid :) 17:20:44 <V453000> DJNekkid: I didnt use any cost parameter :) 17:20:58 <DJNekkid> i know... 17:21:10 <DJNekkid> aha, i know it 17:21:26 <DJNekkid> the problem was, the cost parameter used to be parameter 2, but is now parameter 1 17:21:28 <Ammler> DJNekkid: afaik, nutracks doesn't build without error on compiler 17:21:59 <DJNekkid> and i didnt update the cost selector 17:22:08 <V453000> oh 17:22:09 <DJNekkid> Ammler: no errors, just a warning 17:22:39 <Ammler> the compiler doesn't ditinguish between those 17:22:57 <Ammler> or in other workds, warning = error, error = crash/abort 17:23:23 <DJNekkid> and that is because i didnt use a sprite, namely the depot sprites... But i guess i should remove that anyway, since Rubidium (iirc) added that depot is selected from the station property 17:27:48 <Yexo> Ammler: yes, all signals being in one giant block would have an enormous impact on performance 17:29:07 <Ammler> on a pbs only map, you don't have blocks, do you? 17:29:44 <DJNekkid> oki, beta3 is now added 17:29:51 <Ammler> wouldn't you need a block signal? 17:30:39 <Brot6> nutracks: update from 1.0.0-Beta2 to 1.0.0-Beta3 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/nutracks/releases/1.0.0-Beta3 17:31:37 <Ammler> :'-( 17:31:48 <Ammler> what the hell is broken? 17:33:06 <Ammler> maybe a nice idea would be to be able to customize the penalty of single WP 17:36:12 <Yexo> you always have signals blocks 17:36:40 <Yexo> signal blocks are separated by any type of signal, not only block signals 17:36:45 <DJNekkid> V453000: download beta3 and see :D Now things should work as intended 17:40:31 <Ammler> why does it build releases but not push the changes to redmine anymore? 17:41:04 <Brot6> Nutracks - Revision 163:526d276d671d: Fix: the economy parameter is now checked correctly (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nutracks/repository/revisions/526d276d671d 17:41:04 <Brot6> Nutracks - Revision 164:0e4a74bb119e: Fix: Remove the last remaining warning (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nutracks/repository/revisions/0e4a74bb119e 17:41:04 <Brot6> Nutracks - Revision 165:9af522c980a0: Added tag 1.0.0-Beta3 for changeset 0e4a74bb119e (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nutracks/repository/revisions/9af522c980a0 17:41:56 <V453000> DJNekkid: thank you :) 17:42:42 <DJNekkid> it is on banans 17:43:41 <V453000> 4500 per tile of very high speed track :) still half but better 17:44:19 <V453000> hmm I might have wrong currency :D 17:44:33 <DJNekkid> should be 7000£ 17:45:00 <V453000> I have pounds :o 17:45:33 <DJNekkid> and it is 7000? 17:46:21 <V453000> 4500 17:46:39 <DJNekkid> did you start a new game?? 17:46:51 <DJNekkid> or, do you have "low" construction costs? 17:46:51 <V453000> yes 17:47:05 <V453000> and now I loaded one and there I have 8 k :o gimme a sec to investigate 17:47:20 <V453000> there the construction costs are high 17:47:31 <DJNekkid> in the difficulty optons 17:48:18 <V453000> yes 17:48:26 <V453000> 4500 with low, 8000 with high 17:48:54 <DJNekkid> should be 7000 on normal 17:50:17 <V453000> riight 17:51:57 <V453000> yes, got that too :) 17:52:57 <V453000> nice :) 17:55:09 <V453000> with higher costs overall it is much more significant when you need the track upgrade :) 17:55:37 <V453000> because the very low speed tracks are quite cheap :) 18:02:25 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2198 (New): GWR Class 5700 (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2198 18:43:53 <DJNekkid> so, all in all the costs are nice now+ 18:43:54 <DJNekkid> ? 18:53:10 <V453000> yes, I think so :) 18:53:20 <V453000> I will do some more extensive testing of course, but so far it seems to be very nice 19:02:37 <Brot6> 32bpp-ez-patches: update from h4c3bec28 to r21905 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/32bpp-ez-patches/testing/r21905 19:05:19 <Brot6> clientpatches: update from r21488 to r21488 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/clientpatches/testing/r21488 19:06:19 <Brot6> serverpatches: compile of r21905 still failed (#2080) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/serverpatches/testing/ERROR/r21905 19:34:57 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2199 (New): 9P (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2199 21:03:56 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2200 (New): Milwaukee Road ES-2 (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2200 21:21:09 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 22:18:00 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 23:25:33 *** CUTEE-SI-LARKI has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 23:25:35 *** CUTEE-SI-LARKI has left #openttdcoop.devzone 23:35:13 *** ODM has quit IRC 23:53:40 *** thgergo has quit IRC