Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 28th January 2011:
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03:58:35  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2007: Complete Rework of Freight rolling stock (EmperorJake) @
06:50:02  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2007: Complete Rework of Freight rolling stock (Purno) @
07:13:34  <DJNekkid> V453000: idoubt it :)
07:21:03  <DJNekkid> and it seems to be true for all but the low speed (that use the original/open gfx)
07:26:32  <DJNekkid> and only in that direction
07:31:41  <DJNekkid> aha!
07:44:19  <Brot6> Nutracks - Revision 168:c67b977b149f: Fix: Bug reported by Rubidum at roughly 8hrs ago (DJNekkid) @
07:47:37  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2007: Complete Rework of Freight rolling stock (Voyager1) @
07:47:37  <Brot6> Nutracks - Revision 169:b5e031b8ebe5: Fix: 80kmh non-el tracks had wrong gfx, fixed (DJNekkid) @
08:28:00  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2007: Complete Rework of Freight rolling stock (Purno) @
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08:38:56  <Rubidium> DJNekkid: it's better to be slightly more descriptive about what you change/fix in a commit message, like "Fix: alignment of XYZ in snow" or something
08:41:21  <DJNekkid> i guess :D
08:42:40  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2175: Parameter for train type availability (Purno) @
08:43:19  <Brot6> Nutracks - Revision 170:a075cb77a9e2: Change: Updated the 'do-not-readme' (DJNekkid) @
08:43:19  <Brot6> Nutracks - Revision 171:abdc729d3478: Added tag 1.0.0-Beta5 for changeset a075cb77a9e2 (DJNekkid) @
08:44:17  <Brot6> nutracks: update from 1.0.0-Beta4 to 1.0.0-Beta5 done -
11:19:04  <dihedral> Rubidium, you got an interesting resolution there :-P
11:27:34  <Rubidium> dihedral: interesting in what way?
11:27:41  <dihedral> interestingly small
11:27:56  <dihedral> the screenshot you posted for DJNekkid
11:28:02  <Rubidium> resizing OpenTTD's window and then hitting ctrl-s beats: making screenshot, opening it in an image editor, rescale, resave
11:29:11  <dihedral> :-P
11:29:36  <Rubidium> *especially* when OpenTTD starts with -x
11:30:18  <planetmaker> hehe yeah
11:44:14  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2007: Complete Rework of Freight rolling stock (EmperorJake) @
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12:02:40  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2208 (New): SNCF CC 40100 (EmperorJake) @
12:08:10  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2007: Complete Rework of Freight rolling stock (Purno) @
12:29:24  <dihedral> :-)
12:50:13  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #2209 (New): Non-2cc colored pixels in sprites (evil yellow and other colors) (Purno) @
12:51:22  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #2209: Non-2cc colored pixels in sprites (evil yellow and other colors) (Voyager1) @
12:54:00  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #2210 (New): Sharknose: Unshaded sprites (Purno) @
12:55:30  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2007: Complete Rework of Freight rolling stock (Voyager1) @
12:57:25  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #2209: Non-2cc colored pixels in sprites (evil yellow and other colors) (Purno) @
12:58:40  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2007: Complete Rework of Freight rolling stock (Purno) @
13:28:59  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Support #2211 (New): Feedback from the community / playerbase (Purno) @
13:43:50  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Support #1413: Political correctness (Purno) @
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15:27:13  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #2210: Sharknose: Unshaded sprites (DJNekkid) @
15:33:53  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2007: Complete Rework of Freight rolling stock (EmperorJake) @
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15:42:29  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #2209: Non-2cc colored pixels in sprites (evil yellow and other colors) (EmperorJake) @
15:49:11  <DJNekkid> planetmaker: proud of me that i finally made a NuTracks Readme? :D
15:49:59  <planetmaker> :-)
15:50:42  <DJNekkid> anything you wanna add to it, or should i change the order?
15:52:49  <planetmaker> I didn't yet read it ;-)
15:52:56  <planetmaker> but let's see
15:54:30  <DJNekkid> 'do-not-readme' ? :P
15:55:07  <planetmaker> well. You should fix at least the chapter numbers ;-) - they differ from the table of contents
15:55:32  <planetmaker> esp. chapter 2=4 ;-)
15:56:24  <planetmaker> you seem to use a funny symbol for the window symbol of the upper left corner ;-)
15:56:57  <planetmaker> and... the link: don't use caps where they might not be appropriate. Use nutracks in links, not NuTracks
15:57:25  <DJNekkid> that was probably some auto-replace :P
15:58:08  <planetmaker> Please also fix the link for the checkout. The given one still works but is deprecated
15:58:36  <planetmaker> <--
15:58:41  <planetmaker> new one
15:58:52  <planetmaker> or rather... not so new ;-)
15:59:30  <planetmaker> and indeed: Parameters should be the 2nd chapter
15:59:36  <planetmaker> and compatible trainsets the 3rd
15:59:47  <planetmaker> most who'll ever read it will have nutracks probably already
15:59:59  <planetmaker> or at least know how to use the online content download ;-)
16:00:37  <DJNekkid> most likely, but i just copied the OpenGFX a few months ago, and now i used it as a tempalte :D
16:00:44  <planetmaker> hm... "Main man of the makefile system" --> "Maintainer of the makefile system"
16:01:11  <planetmaker> Are you sure that Irwe drew the 80km/h rails and not 120km/h?
16:01:22  <planetmaker> I might remember wrongly though :-)
16:01:45  <planetmaker> Besides: Ammler and myself share this server 50:50 :-)
16:02:15  <DJNekkid> oki :D
16:02:42  <planetmaker> but yes, he's the much more knowledge-able one when it comes to the server configuration
16:04:11  <DJNekkid> guess its not wierd that i thought it were him then :D
16:04:12  <planetmaker> I suggest to thank him for keeping the server running and generally #openttdcoop for providing the DevZone
16:04:51  <DJNekkid> but yes, irwe draw the 80kmh ones as stated :D
16:05:25  <planetmaker> oki. btw, the issue with the money should not be solved in trunk
16:05:38  <planetmaker> You'll nearly never get money anymore when converting rail ;-)
16:05:55  <DJNekkid> not=now ?
16:07:07  <planetmaker> yes
16:07:16  <DJNekkid> goodie :D
16:07:31  <DJNekkid> good that i can provide work for you :D
16:13:15  <planetmaker> anyway, I'm off. See you (much) later or another day :-)
16:14:00  <DJNekkid> drink one for me will ya?
16:34:53  <DJNekkid> eeeek
16:34:57  <DJNekkid> how do i get my task manager back?
16:54:25  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2007: Complete Rework of Freight rolling stock (Voyager1) @
17:19:16  <Brot6> nutracks: update from r167 to r171 done -
17:19:24  <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: 2cctrainset (r727), 32bpp-extra (r39), ai-admiralai (r75), ai-aroai (r11), ailib-common (r21), ailib-direction (r17), ailib-list (r32), ailib-string (r29), ailib-tile (r16), airportsplus (r70), basecosts (r22), belarusiantowns (r8), bros (r45), comic-houses (r71), firs (r1631), fish (r535), frenchtowns (r6), grfcodec (r821), heqs (r572), indonesiantowns (r41), manindu (r6), metrotrackset
17:19:24  <Brot6> (r56), narvs (r5), newgrf_makefile (r254), nml (r1138), ogfx-industries (r3), ogfx-landscape (r22), ogfx-rv (r78), ogfx-trains (r201), ogfx-trees (r42), opengfx (r593), openmsx (r97), opensfx (r97), smts (r19), snowlinemod (r45), spanishtowns (r10), swedishrails (r193), swisstowns (r22), transrapidtrackset (r15), ttdviewer (r26), ttrs (r24), worldairlinersset (r671)
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17:30:26  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Support #1413: Political correctness (Voyager1) @
17:41:51  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2007: Complete Rework of Freight rolling stock (DJNekkid) @
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18:15:59  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #2210: Sharknose: Unshaded sprites (Purno) @
18:16:34  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2007: Complete Rework of Freight rolling stock (Purno) @
18:21:12  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Support #1413: Political correctness (Purno) @
18:23:40  <andythenorth> someone tell purno he *can't* put a nazi flag in 2CC set :P
18:23:51  <andythenorth> where is the devzone server based?
18:25:30  <Ammler> if that matters, switzerland
18:25:42  <Ammler> but geographically german
18:25:53  <Ammler> no idea, which law matters :-P
18:26:13  <andythenorth> there's no uk law about it
18:26:29  <Ammler> and no ch law most likely either
18:27:52  <Ammler> was the nazi flag the country flag, it was just the flag of the nsdap, afaik
18:29:43  <andythenorth> the legal situation is this:
18:29:44  <Webster> Title: Swastika - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at
18:30:27  <Ammler> the flag was a country flag
18:30:33  <Ammler>
18:30:34  <Webster> Title: Flagge Deutschlands – Wikipedia (at
18:31:04  <Ammler> as said, I am owner of the server, so which law matters?
18:31:16  <andythenorth> not sure :o
18:31:48  <andythenorth> I had a swastik henna tattoo on my hand for my wedding.  I wondered if I would be allowed into certain european countries for my weddding :o
18:32:20  <andythenorth>
18:32:21  <Webster> Title: File:HinduSwastika.svg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at
18:32:23  <Ammler> and thw law does clearly show excption for school
18:32:28  <Ammler> which this would be
18:32:51  <Ammler> so I don't care, whatever the 2cc guys decide, ok for me :-)
18:33:38  * frosch123 wonders about out the relation between 2cc and school.. :o
18:34:07  <Ammler> well, the telling the truth is part of school
18:34:34  <Ammler> and Hakenkreuz is clearly something Germans should learn to leave with.
18:34:53  <Ammler> life*
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18:35:36  <frosch123> in some village near my home town there is an old 1600-ish church with swastikas all over the place. quite a surprise for tourists :p
18:36:14  <Ammler> yeah, people should learn to differ
18:36:46  <andythenorth>
18:36:47  <Webster> Title: Swastika prompts German Wolfenstein recall | (at
18:37:31  <Ammler> andythenorth: that is really stupid from Germans, seriously
18:37:44  <andythenorth> well I have no opinion either way
18:37:49  <Ammler> that is "hiding" the truth
18:38:01  <andythenorth> I'm just trying to avoid you being sent a cease-and-desist notice
18:38:14  <andythenorth> or your host shutting down your box :P
18:38:16  <Ammler> as said, I am fine with it
18:38:18  <andythenorth> or bananas
18:38:51  <Ammler> I would like to tell Germans how stupid they are, if they would complain about us using that in a place where it is really used
18:38:55  <Ammler> "history"
18:39:45  <Ammler> you can't use Hakenkreuz for new things, but everything related to the time with ww2 nazis should be fine
18:41:52  <andythenorth> hmm
18:41:53  <andythenorth> well
18:41:54  <Ammler> hmm, Wolfenstein might be execption because it is a game about war...
18:42:07  <andythenorth> dismissing the flags as 'political correctness' is naive
18:42:43  <andythenorth> but I leave that argument to someone else
18:42:49  <andythenorth> I have boats to make :P
18:43:56  <Ammler> for me as one of the owner it is fine, as long as it is historical correct
18:45:54  <andythenorth> hmm
18:46:07  <andythenorth> maybe they could include some taiwanese, chechen and palestinian trains as well
18:46:14  <andythenorth> just to add to the excitement :P
18:46:44  <andythenorth> and maybe georgia and ingushetiya
18:46:48  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Support #1413: Political correctness (Voyager1) @
18:47:36  <DJNekkid> as i've saied previously in that post...
18:47:55  <DJNekkid> i have little or no idea what the, say, russians feel about the sovjet flag
18:47:59  <andythenorth> "I never realized there could be discussion about what is a country and what not. Isn't there some global organization which keeps track of the countries? :P"
18:48:02  <andythenorth> ^ no
18:48:09  <andythenorth> people die for this stuff every single day
18:48:14  <DJNekkid> or the czhecks or slovaks about the checkoslovaika flag
18:48:18  <andythenorth> it's not political correctness
18:48:24  <andythenorth> it's actual proper politics
18:48:35  <DJNekkid> but i just feel the nazi flag is wrong
18:48:41  <DJNekkid> but then againthe mention flags also might be
18:48:49  <andythenorth> I wouldn't  put it in my set :P
18:48:54  <DJNekkid> but the sovet flag were around for ... i dunno, 100+ years?
18:48:56  <Ammler> DJNekkid: nazis might be wrong
18:49:02  <DJNekkid> Ammler: i totally agree
18:49:06  <Ammler> but not nesseccery the flag
18:49:07  <frosch123> are you talking again about the purchase list? imo it is generally wrong to use historical flags in there. for me it is a hint for where the train is from, which is useless if i do not know the flag
18:49:27  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2212 (New): ET171 (Voyager1) @
18:49:29  <DJNekkid> frosch123: yes
18:49:54  <Ammler> hmm, could be another view, just use the flags currently in that region used
18:50:36  <Ammler> and yes, does not necessary need to be a country flag :-)
18:50:41  <Ammler> official*
18:51:03  <frosch123> if you want to turn 2cc into a history lesson, you should put some wiki-extract in the extra purchase text about its historical usage :p
18:51:16  <Ammler> hehe
18:52:05  <DJNekkid> lol
18:53:10  <DJNekkid> im not sure if i have enough text slots for autogenerating :)
18:53:52  <DJNekkid> Ammler: what about the sovjet flag?
18:55:09  <Ammler> same as nazi flag or jugo
18:55:40  <Ammler> the soviets were evil too ;-)
18:55:42  <andythenorth> DJNekkid: would you use a union jack for an Indian train in 1910?
18:55:59  <DJNekkid> no, i guess i wouldnt
18:56:04  <andythenorth> interesting
18:56:36  <DJNekkid> but if we speak about evilness, then we should ban the american flag as well :P
18:56:37  <andythenorth> but the union jack flew over railway stations in India then
18:56:46  <andythenorth> and the french
18:56:50  <andythenorth> and the belgian
18:56:54  <andythenorth> definitely the belgian
18:57:06  <DJNekkid> lol
18:57:07  <andythenorth> and, if we went looking, probably the dutch too
18:57:08  <Ammler> DJNekkid: that is what we learned about the communists
18:58:15  <DJNekkid> then i guess we landed on 'no former flags'
18:58:21  <Ammler> but anyway, many flags are evil for some
18:58:21  <DJNekkid> regardless of country
18:59:06  <Ammler> so best is, either you decide to use only flags used now or you do it correctly, no political decisions
18:59:22  <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a testing update: 32bpp-ez-patches (r21920), clientpatches (r21920), serverpatches (ERROR r21920)
18:59:24  <andythenorth> and update if any country secedes :P
18:59:33  <andythenorth> still leaves a problem with taiwan
18:59:35  <DJNekkid> se
18:59:42  <DJNekkid> what does secedes mean?
19:00:04  <andythenorth>
19:00:05  <Webster> Title: Secession - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at
19:00:23  <andythenorth> use the taiwanese flag: get banned in china
19:00:26  <Ammler> andythenorth: I would use taiwan flag if the railway there does use it
19:00:29  <andythenorth> don't use it: political statement
19:00:41  <andythenorth> Ammler: does the set have chinese users?
19:00:50  <Ammler> maybe
19:01:02  <Ammler> I don't think, a chinese player would care
19:01:31  <Ammler> there are at least chinese ttd players
19:51:18  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2213 (New): NS DH1 (Voyager1) @
19:57:04  <andythenorth> DJNekkid: how is progress on BROS?
19:58:02  <andythenorth> and also - do the other contributors know you've started coding?
20:01:34  <frosch123> bros has contributors? it thought they were only discussing?
20:02:19  <andythenorth> they contribute disagreement :P
20:02:24  <andythenorth> and forums
20:02:56  <andythenorth> if we measured the creative effort expended on code / set design / drawing versus arguing / setting up endless stupid new forums...
20:03:08  <andythenorth> we would be very bored :P
20:03:24  <frosch123> does it at least have a proper manageR?
20:03:50  <andythenorth> ha
20:03:56  <andythenorth> anyway, I should code some boats
20:03:59  <andythenorth> but I'm cooking
20:04:16  <andythenorth> I cook worse than usual if I try to code at the same time :P
20:05:43  <DJNekkid> andythenorth: : i've started the codeing, and im 'sort of' finished
20:05:48  <DJNekkid> they need more gfx
20:05:52  <andythenorth> he
20:05:59  <andythenorth> you should mention that in the thread :P
20:06:03  <andythenorth> they don't seem to know ;)
20:06:07  <DJNekkid> they have their own forum
20:06:39  <andythenorth> oh god
20:06:41  <andythenorth> I remember
20:06:59  <andythenorth> it crashes and loses data
20:07:02  <DJNekkid> they are wierd and british after all
20:07:04  <andythenorth> and disappears for months
20:07:05  <DJNekkid> :P
20:07:17  <andythenorth> they are a prime example of why British engineering normally fails
20:07:24  <andythenorth> but that's ok, because we're the world financial hub :P
20:07:44  <andythenorth> you're safe in our hands :o
20:08:01  <DJNekkid> lol
20:08:50  <DJNekkid> i heavent done any work on their engines tho, but that should be quite trivial
20:10:31  <DJNekkid> even my wife is lol'ing at this conversation atm :D
20:11:55  <DJNekkid> (atm she have a mario-1up 'bearpussy'-hat on)
20:12:05  <DJNekkid> but anyway
20:13:25  <DJNekkid> my attempts to build OpenTTD on this linux machine fails on the lzma part
20:13:32  <DJNekkid> any helpful hints or tips?
20:20:19  <Terkhen> DJNekkid:
20:22:37  <DJNekkid> wee!
20:22:37  <Ammler> I told you
20:24:39  <DJNekkid> sorry for beeing so noobish!
20:24:58  * DJNekkid runs and hides in a corner, altho with his laptop, so there might be some occational stupid questions
20:25:22  <Ammler> :-D
20:32:29  * andythenorth is feeling a lack of commits :P
20:32:40  <DJNekkid> and for svn
20:32:48  <DJNekkid> its 'svn up <rev>' ?
20:32:53  <DJNekkid> ie.
20:32:57  <DJNekkid> svn up 21900 ?
20:33:00  <andythenorth> yes
20:33:29  <andythenorth> except when you need the silly .
20:33:31  <DJNekkid> somehow i feel this is an error
20:33:36  <DJNekkid> thomas@dhcppc5:~/openttd> svn up 21900
20:33:38  <DJNekkid> Skipped '21900'
20:34:23  <andythenorth>
20:34:24  <Webster> Title: svn update (at
20:34:27  <andythenorth> maybe I was wrong
20:35:27  <DJNekkid> svn co <url> <rev> also seemed to work
20:35:39  <DJNekkid> or no
20:35:44  <DJNekkid> that went into a 21900 dir
20:35:49  <DJNekkid> *sigh*
20:54:23  <Brot6> FISH - Revision 536:7205016abd8f: Change: add further vehicle info texts (andythenorth) @
20:54:23  <Brot6> FISH - Revision 537:6d67331c3b16: Change: minor changes to source psds (andythenorth) @
20:54:23  <Brot6> FISH - Revision 538:573ffda448e3: Add: png for Tow Boat (andythenorth) @
20:54:23  <Brot6> FISH - Revision 539:a0bd1208087a: Add: sprite sheet for Stern Wheeler (andythenorth) @
20:59:33  <Brot6> FISH - Revision 540:64fecb143a5e: Change: provide vehicle window texts for hydrofoil (andythenorth) @
21:09:48  <Brot6> FISH - Revision 541:ea0c7136d274: Change: provide vehicle info window for more ships (andythenorth) @
21:10:24  <Ammler> DJNekkid: svn co url@rev
21:10:42  <Ammler> or just use hg, then you don't need to fiddle with svn
21:12:38  <andythenorth> getting the rev numbers is a bit fun though :P
21:12:55  <Ammler> hg up "svnrev(rev)
21:13:35  * andythenorth should remember that
21:13:39  <Ammler> if you use
21:15:31  <DJNekkid> i would think svn:// would be appropiate?
21:15:54  <Ammler> svn is soooo acient :-P
21:16:10  <Ammler> but yes, fine for you :-)
21:16:35  <DJNekkid> but chillcores patch is for svn
21:16:56  <andythenorth> doesn't matter
21:17:01  <Ammler> hmm, every patch works with hg
21:17:03  <andythenorth> you can apply it to a hg repo
21:17:13  <Ammler> you just need special patch for "some" svn clients
21:17:15  <frosch123> DJNekkid: revison numbers are passed via -r<rev>
21:17:51  <frosch123> "svn co -r123 url" or "svn up -r123"
21:19:36  <DJNekkid> ty :D
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22:37:15  <DJNekkid> should there be any problems with the autopilot and patchpacks?
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22:46:28  <Ammler> DJNekkid: which autopilot?
22:46:41  <Ammler> you need to use the newest version
22:48:55  <DJNekkid> i did a checkout
22:49:05  <Ammler> svn?
22:49:11  <DJNekkid> hg
22:49:23  <DJNekkid>
22:49:48  <Ammler> yes, that looks good
22:50:14  <Ammler> you know, we did that once already :-P
22:51:32  <Ammler> first check, if openttd would work without (openttd -D...)
22:51:39  <Ammler> then paste what you get from ap+
22:56:27  <DJNekkid> lets see
22:56:32  <DJNekkid> -D works fine
23:02:10  <DJNekkid> config file openttd.cfg has no autopilot section <--- :P
23:05:02  <DJNekkid> when i added [autopilot] i did get:
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23:06:00  <DJNekkid>
23:22:55  <Ammler> DJNekkid: did you really add the whole additional cfg?
23:24:18  <Ammler> maybe you should paste the cfg too
23:24:39  <DJNekkid> oh, i thought that added itself on execution :P
23:24:44  <DJNekkid> its been a while
23:25:04  <Ammler> [00:19] <DJNekkid> [00:05:02] when i added [autopilot] i did get: <--?
23:26:08  <DJNekkid> teh paste
23:26:24  <DJNekkid> bleh, 2 tierd today
23:26:30  <DJNekkid> i'll try again 2morrow!
23:26:32  <DJNekkid> ttyl
23:26:37  <Ammler> gute Nacht

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