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Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 30th January 2011:
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00:55:13  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #2224 (New): New York R1 (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2224
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02:26:33  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #2216: Naming of engines (EmperorJake) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2216#change-5583
02:37:57  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2218: When should we release 2.0? (EmperorJake) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2218#change-5584
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08:18:51  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #2225 (New): La Brugeoise: Allignment bug (Purno) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2225
08:33:53  <Brot6> FISH - Revision 563:f44e375df429: Fix: remove white pixels in Klyazma Hydrofoil (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/f44e375df429
08:33:53  <Brot6> FISH - Revision 564:63c9fe7ba85e: Add: psd file for 818 Hydrofoil (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/63c9fe7ba85e
08:33:53  <Brot6> FISH - Revision 565:f3173d5d33cb: Add: png file for 818 Hydrofoil (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/f3173d5d33cb
08:33:53  <Brot6> FISH - Revision 566:e7313e78c023: Change: use correct graphics for 818 Hydrofoil (test) (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/e7313e78c023
08:33:57  <Brot6> FISH - Revision 567:a68122355912: Change: increase capcity of 818 Hydrofoil (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/a68122355912
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10:22:26  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2218: When should we release 2.0? (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2218#change-5585
10:24:10  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #2216: Naming of engines (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2216#change-5586
10:30:56  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2218: When should we release 2.0? (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2218#change-5587
10:40:03  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1641:593e250d1795: Add: template for clustering fishing ... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/593e250d1795
10:40:03  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1642:20946bba0e91: Feature: Fishing Harbours and Fishing... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/20946bba0e91
10:40:03  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1151 (Closed): Fishing Harbours should try and locate re... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1151#change-5588
10:40:23  <andythenorth> Terkhen: ^ fancy testing the fishing industry location code? :D
10:41:12  <Terkhen> on anticipation of this, my vm is getting updated
10:41:21  <Terkhen> I'll test it once the update finishes :)
10:41:49  <andythenorth> nice
10:42:12  <Terkhen> hmmm... there are fishing grounds now? I have been far from FIRS for a long time
10:42:22  <andythenorth> yes
10:42:41  <Terkhen> I should translate stuff too then :)
10:42:42  <andythenorth> do you remember what version you last tried?
10:42:50  <Terkhen> no, but I can check it
10:43:03  <Terkhen> r1578
10:43:16  <Terkhen> I'm not sure if I played with it or just used it to check something
10:44:25  <andythenorth> not many big changes since r1578
10:46:25  <Terkhen> oh, it already has fishing grounds, and they are even translated to spanish
10:47:11  <Terkhen> my memory is kind of bad :)
10:52:35  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2218: When should we release 2.0? (Terkhen) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2218#change-5589
10:56:18  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1643:1baff59b579d: Feature: Dredging Site has bouy to sh... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/1baff59b579d
10:58:51  <Terkhen> andythenorth: I'm pulling now
10:59:09  <andythenorth> will be interesting to see what results you get
11:00:11  <Brot6> FISH - Feature #2226 (New): Hydrofoil 818 (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2226
11:09:08  <Terkhen> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/92/ <--- the water level is between parentheses
11:09:27  <Terkhen> for me the strange case is Industries: Low, Water level: 20%
11:09:47  <andythenorth> what map size?
11:09:51  <Terkhen> it had 3 or 4 towns in the coast but none of them got a fishing harbour
11:09:53  <Terkhen> 256x256
11:10:21  <Terkhen> there is no problem with bigger map sizes, greater water level or more towns
11:10:56  <Terkhen> but in this case (256x256, low industries, water level: 20%) there are many suitable places for building a single fishing harbour but they are not found
11:12:34  <andythenorth> I just got the same result
11:12:39  <andythenorth> it took about 6 maps to get
11:13:13  <andythenorth> due to the number of possible variables, there will be pathological cases :)
11:13:33  <Terkhen> to me it seems that, since the fishing harbour is harder to place, the industry placement code is not trying hard enough for it
11:13:38  <Terkhen> but it has no way of knowing that :)
11:13:46  <andythenorth> on some of these maps, I get a harbour, but it is *very* far from the fishing grounds
11:13:53  <andythenorth> which I have to allow
11:14:01  <andythenorth> at least for the first instance
11:14:09  <Terkhen> it is not something major anyways; in most cases fishing harbours seem to be placed without many problems
11:14:24  <andythenorth> I'm not really supporting low water cases :)
11:14:47  <andythenorth> it's interesting when the harbour and grounds are on opposite sides of land
11:15:02  <andythenorth> they are technically <60 tiles apart, but there's a mountain range between them :P
11:15:19  <andythenorth> I could check for clear water tiles, but it would be some form of o(n) problem :P
11:15:29  <andythenorth> equivalent to ship pathfinder
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11:16:24  <Terkhen> yes, it's not worth the effort IMO
11:38:04  <planetmaker> [12:13]	<andythenorth>	on some of these maps, I get a harbour, but it is *very* far from the fishing grounds <-- that's why the player has the possibility to build channels
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11:51:30  <andythenorth> planetmaker: indeed
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12:18:43  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1644:94415457294f: Change: Update Spanish translation. (Terkhen) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/94415457294f
13:39:24  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2218: When should we release 2.0? (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2218#change-5590
13:47:14  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #2216: Naming of engines (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2216#change-5591
14:05:56  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2218: When should we release 2.0? (Purno) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2218#change-5592
14:11:04  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1645:1e239df445ac: Add: Ignore additional defines contai... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/1e239df445ac
14:40:27  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1646:cdac10a381dc: Codechange: Allow language-specific c... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/cdac10a381dc
14:41:18  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #2216: Naming of engines (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2216#change-5593
14:41:57  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1647:5fd488ecaab8: Fix: Add generic cleanup sequence (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/5fd488ecaab8
14:44:22  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2218: When should we release 2.0? (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2218#change-5594
14:49:12  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1648:731289e03c84: Change: Ignore also all language clea... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/731289e03c84
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14:52:15  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1649:7282a3b31e0e: Feature: Usage of genders in the Germ... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/7282a3b31e0e
15:05:50  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2218: When should we release 2.0? (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2218#change-5595
15:08:54  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Support #2211: Feedback from the community / playerbase (V453000) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2211#change-5596
15:08:56  <V453000> purno/DJNekkid: some feedback right there :) I said something in the channel already, but just put it together and wrote it in the issue, since it probably is a better place to place it :)
15:11:36  <planetmaker> reads quite nice, V :-)
15:13:48  <V453000> did my best :P
15:14:54  <planetmaker> The next step would be to suggest detailed changes ;-)
15:15:03  <planetmaker> tralallala :-)
15:15:39  <V453000> he :)
15:16:43  <DJNekkid> good morning everyone :D
15:16:46  <V453000> hi
15:24:36  <DJNekkid> V453000: as the point about the GC1 might be valid im not sure if i agree with you
15:24:54  <V453000> hm? :)
15:25:01  <DJNekkid> the engine cost ALOT
15:25:14  <DJNekkid> for beeing a roughtly 1940 engine
15:25:15  <V453000> yes, which is no problem if you play from ... 1900 or even earlier
15:25:24  <DJNekkid> and the elrails cost ALOT as well
15:25:49  <V453000> but still, even if it too expensive so you can afford it in 1960
15:25:52  <DJNekkid> 1000?/tile for the 180kmh, or 1000? per tile without nutracks
15:26:18  <V453000> it still gets boring because one certaing engine is best for 40 years
15:26:38  <DJNekkid> best for what?
15:26:41  <DJNekkid> long hauls?
15:26:47  <DJNekkid> best price/speed
15:26:51  <DJNekkid> best price/power?
15:27:00  <V453000> top speed and power
15:27:05  <V453000> without competition pretty much
15:27:31  <V453000> anyway, I told you what I think. Do with it whatever you like :) now I hve to go, I will be on later, cya :)
15:29:53  <planetmaker> @base 10 16 21208
15:29:53  <Webster> planetmaker: 52D8
15:29:55  <DJNekkid> got
15:30:00  <DJNekkid> got any suggestions then?
15:30:11  <DJNekkid> should i remove the engine all along?
15:34:48  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #2216: Naming of engines (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2216#change-5598
15:39:22  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #2227 (New): r727 (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2227
15:40:34  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #2228 (New): r727 (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2228
15:55:48  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #2228: r727 (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2228#change-5599
16:12:42  <Terkhen> planetmaker: why is GENDER_FILE required? it does not seem to be used anywhere
16:12:56  <planetmaker> it's not required. It should be removed
16:13:17  <planetmaker> If you commit your language, you could do that right away please :-)
16:13:51  <Terkhen> I was checking r1648
16:13:57  <planetmaker> I wonder though what to do with 1.0.5...
16:14:09  <planetmaker> even when skipping the gender_translation_table it looks ugly
16:14:40  <Terkhen> do nothing and force the users to playtest 1.1.0 too? :)
16:14:53  <planetmaker> I guess ;-)
16:16:57  <planetmaker> well. I guess I'll just commit that and face andy's wrath :-P
16:17:15  <planetmaker> then I'll remove in the same commit the GENDER_FILE; too, if you haven#t already
16:18:22  <Ammler> Rubidium: did you get reaction from others than me since you changed the source tar compression from bz2 to xz?
16:19:04  <Ammler> I guess, we should do that here too
16:26:01  <planetmaker> Terkhen: pull
16:26:25  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1650:f54fc57eeb60: Change: FIRS is now only compatible w... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/f54fc57eeb60
16:26:33  <planetmaker> now andy can flame me :-P
16:26:51  <planetmaker> though I'm reasonably confident that he won't mind
16:27:16  <planetmaker> There is a way with many defines and / or action6 to work around this. Not sure it's worth the trouble, though
16:29:45  * Terkhen pulls
16:30:38  <planetmaker> it significantly simplified the version check ;-)
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16:53:03  <Terkhen> heh, I got a town called googlegate
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16:57:26  <planetmaker> :-D
16:57:28  <Ammler> Terkhen: that is a bad joke of an early dev, who change giggle or something to google
16:57:40  <Terkhen> heh, really?
16:57:49  <Ammler> you don't have google in ttd
16:57:57  <Terkhen> giggle sounds way more appropiate for "silly town names"
16:57:58  <planetmaker> must be a scandal: googlegate
16:58:05  <Ammler> would be nice, if that could be fixed sometime
16:58:19  * Terkhen investigates
16:58:32  <Ammler> Terkhen: I guess it is pre new svn
16:59:44  <Terkhen> planetmaker: I remember reading about a "googlegate" scandal some time ago
16:59:57  <Terkhen> Ammler: that's quite possible, let's see
17:00:46  <Ammler> maybe not, peter might have quoted the svn commit
17:02:28  <Terkhen> 0:     MK("Google") <--- it's pre svn
17:04:48  <Ammler> Terkhen: pre _new_ svn :-)
17:04:57  <Terkhen> yes
17:06:29  <Ammler> but I am sure, it is after openttd 0.1
17:06:34  <Ammler> well, quite :-P
17:18:50  <Brot6> 2cctrainset: update from r728 to r729 done (6 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/2cctrainset/nightlies/r729
17:19:27  <Brot6> firs: update from r1638 to r1650 done (1 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/nightlies/r1650
17:19:58  <Ammler> +1
17:20:06  <Brot6> fish: update from r550 to r567 done (9 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/fish/nightlies/r567
17:20:21  <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: 32bpp-extra (r39), ai-admiralai (r75), ai-aroai (r11), ailib-common (r21), ailib-direction (r17), ailib-list (r32), ailib-string (r29), ailib-tile (r16), airportsplus (r70), basecosts (r22), belarusiantowns (r8), bros (r45), comic-houses (r71), frenchtowns (r6), grfcodec (r821), heqs (r572), indonesiantowns (r41), manindu (r6), metrotrackset (r56), narvs (r5), newgrf_makefile (r254), nml
17:20:21  <Brot6> (r1139), nutracks (r171), ogfx-industries (r3), ogfx-landscape (r22), ogfx-rv (r78), ogfx-trains (r201), ogfx-trees (r42), opengfx (r593), openmsx (r97), opensfx (r97), smts (r19), snowlinemod (r45), spanishtowns (r10), swedishrails (r193), swisstowns (r22), transrapidtrackset (r15), ttdviewer (r26), ttrs (r24), worldairlinersset (r671)
17:21:33  <Ammler> /!!Warning (107): Label FB has not been goto'ed. <-- dedicated to pm :-)
17:22:01  <planetmaker> hm
17:29:12  <planetmaker> should be gone now
17:29:23  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1651:74bf41ae7e8f: Fix (r1650): Don't declare unused labels (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/74bf41ae7e8f
17:34:34  <Ammler> planetmaker: you know, that you can use usual strings as label?
17:35:11  <planetmaker> no
17:49:46  <Brot6> Nutracks - Revision 172:2d2916420986: Change: All of the subway/concrete edges werent properly co... (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nutracks/repository/revisions/2d2916420986
17:49:59  * Lakie ponders looking at this makefile nfo thing
17:50:06  <Lakie> (For the finnish set)
17:51:54  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2229 (New): Change of some graphics (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2229
17:52:09  <planetmaker> well :-) Ask if you need help with it - if you mean the one I wrote
17:54:29  <Lakie> Yeah
17:54:45  <Lakie> I'm guessing it'll need mingw/cygwin/linux though
17:59:54  <Terkhen> Lakie: yes, on windows I use a linux VM as it is actually faster than mingw
18:04:31  <Lakie> Ok, sounds minorly inconvient but I still have the vm from integrating png into
18:04:36  <Lakie> grfcodec...
18:06:48  <Lakie> Though in fairness, windows lacks things like make and such linux has. :(
18:07:26  <planetmaker> Well. One could probably write a similar thing as a bat file...
18:07:48  <Lakie> uh, sounds like it'd be a real pain though
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18:08:08  <DanMacK> hey all
18:08:17  <Lakie> Hi DanMacK
18:08:46  <Terkhen> yes... bat are really complicated
18:09:50  <Terkhen> Lakie: another possibility is to try to make it work downloading packages from gnuwin32, but that will be a pain too and I'm not sure if it will work at all
18:10:05  <Lakie> Likely wouldn't
18:10:17  <Lakie> linux vm was easier to setup than mingw...
18:14:27  <Lakie> Ah well, I'll give it a shot in a while.
18:17:59  <Terkhen> yes, mingw/msys gives a lot of headaches
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18:24:44  <Ammler> Lakie: I still hope, nml will get the stage where it is useable without makefile
18:25:10  <Lakie> Is it not already?
18:25:24  <Lakie> My basic nml examples do not need makefiles...
18:25:31  <Ammler> it misses "include"
18:25:36  <Lakie> :(
18:25:41  <Lakie> But thats so very useful
18:26:16  <Lakie> I can't imagine it'd be that hard to implement?
18:26:25  <Ammler> but also installing nml is not that straight forward on windows
18:26:40  <Lakie> Yeah, or running
18:27:04  <Lakie> But thats more because of the medium it uses rather than the program.
18:27:04  <Ammler> windows is just good for gameing :-)
18:27:12  <Lakie> Lol, might well be
18:27:37  <Lakie> Still like my VS, even if a little bloated..
18:40:39  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2230 (New): FS 86 (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2230
19:03:32  <Brot6> 32bpp-ez-patches: update from r21924 to r21928 done (2 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/32bpp-ez-patches/testing/r21928
19:06:18  <Brot6> clientpatches: update from r21488 to r21488 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/clientpatches/testing/r21488
19:07:25  <Brot6> serverpatches: compile of r21928 still failed (#2080) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/serverpatches/testing/ERROR/r21928
19:16:09  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #2196 (Closed): Engineering and Farm Supplies over reporting ... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2196#change-5601
19:17:23  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #1992 (Closed): Apparent secondary closure bug (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1992#change-5602
19:23:01  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1612 (Closed): Should Sugar Refinery accept chemicals? (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1612#change-5605
19:24:04  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1303 (Closed): Include action14 strings into translations (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1303#change-5606
19:38:12  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1652:be19313928e3: Add: file for smithy forge (Stone Hou... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/be19313928e3
19:42:18  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1653:ae2d838a1bf5: Change: test additional layout for Dr... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/ae2d838a1bf5
19:42:18  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1654:37200975efe5: Change: (translations) rename Forge t... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/37200975efe5
19:44:20  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #2231 (New): Rename 'pcx' folder to graphics and update p... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2231
19:51:08  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #2231 (Closed): Rename 'pcx' folder to graphics and updat... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2231
19:51:08  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1655:2febed444e73: Cleanup: rename 'pcx' folder to 'grap... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/2febed444e73
19:51:08  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #2231 (Closed): Rename 'pcx' folder to graphics and updat... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2231#change-5607
20:06:59  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1656:e66dcbbee14d: Change: Lime Kiln has it's own graphi... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/e66dcbbee14d
20:10:06  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2232 (New): DB VT04 (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2232
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21:08:18  <Rubidium> Ammler: nope
21:09:44  <Ammler> Rubidium: now I need to scrollback to rembember, what I asked :-P
21:10:33  <Ammler> ah, bz2->xz
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22:25:25  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1657:7c9c556fdd67: Add: psd source file for Lime Kiln (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/7c9c556fdd67
22:25:25  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1658:52f43e18653a: Change: upgraded graphics for Smithy ... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/52f43e18653a
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