Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 9th February 2011:
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06:19:03  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #2285 (New): Updated Serbian Translation (andythenorth) @
07:37:35  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #2286 (New): Inconsistent use of units for weight (andythenorth) @
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07:45:38  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2240: DB ET85 (Voyager1) @
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07:47:54  <andythenorth> morning
08:07:28  <Rubidium> ahoj mr andy
08:25:33  * andythenorth does puzzle
08:25:40  <andythenorth> cargo unit strings
08:25:50  <andythenorth> i.e. tons / tonnes / kg etc
08:26:14  <andythenorth> are there string codes available?
08:27:46  <Rubidium> 9a 0d and 87 are mostly useful for cargos I'd say
08:28:16  <andythenorth> does that also print the suffix - e.g. tons, kg
08:28:23  * andythenorth could read the source :P
08:29:49  <Rubidium> the specs says it does
08:30:19  <andythenorth> will this work automagically for cargo waiting etc?
08:30:26  <andythenorth> or do I need to push the valueto]
08:30:31  <andythenorth> the stack every time?
08:30:50  <andythenorth> I can't see how to do that in every place (e.g. stations, vehicles)
08:31:00  <andythenorth> ach, I can experiment I guess
08:32:02  <Rubidium> andythenorth: and are used for OpenTTD internal cargo stuff
08:32:43  <Rubidium> and then OpenTTD pushes the right values
08:32:44  <andythenorth> ok thanks
08:32:57  <Rubidium> but if you return a string code in a callback you must make sure the right value is returned
08:41:41  <Rubidium> s/returned/pushed on the stack/
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09:43:43  <andythenorth_> "The default for this textID depends on the default for property 0B; if the default 0B string has "litre", then the default for this textID will be the unit for litres."
09:43:49  <andythenorth_> I don't 100% follow that
09:43:55  <andythenorth_> it does some string matching magic?
09:44:09  <andythenorth_> or I need to define 0B with a default game text, not a grf-defined text?
09:46:06  * andythenorth_ is baffled
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09:47:35  <andythenorth_> planetmaker: some FIRS string wrangling is needed :)
09:47:50  <andythenorth_> it might have a bad impact on translations if I do it wrong :o
09:49:23  <planetmaker> hehe
09:53:21  <andythenorth_> planetmaker: do you understand the spec here?
09:55:22  <andythenorth_> hmm
09:56:07  <andythenorth_> "Unknown StringID 0x5000 remapped to STR_EMPTY. Please open a feature request if you need it"
09:56:07  <planetmaker> AFAIK you need to choose the correct string there for your cargo...
09:56:17  <andythenorth_> ^ console output
09:56:19  <planetmaker> :-D
09:56:34  <andythenorth_> I don't understand how this is going to work :O
09:56:36  <planetmaker> you mixed byte order, supposedly
09:56:46  <andythenorth_> he
09:56:46  <planetmaker> use \wx0050 and not 00 50
09:56:56  <planetmaker> \wx50 actually
09:57:16  <planetmaker> because \wx50 = 50 00 != 00 50
09:57:38  <andythenorth_> I don't understand how this interacts with prop 0B
09:58:03  <planetmaker> I don't out of my head either. And I can't investigate now
09:58:24  <andythenorth_> I am learning by doing
09:58:25  <andythenorth_> :)
09:58:39  <andythenorth_> as the spec only 50% makes sense
09:58:44  <Rubidium> andythenorth_: 0B/0C specs are basically for TTDPatch's implementation of cargo names
09:59:16  <Rubidium> there they have 0B for a single item and 0C for multiple. This breaks plurality in translations, and as such OpenTTD uses 1B/1C *if* available
09:59:39  <andythenorth_> so 0B is ignored if 1B is defined?
09:59:47  <andythenorth_> but 0B is still required?
10:00:05  <Rubidium> yes, for 1.1+ OpenTTD 0B is ignored if 1B is defined
10:00:14  <andythenorth_> so I should leave 0B in place...
10:00:23  <planetmaker> map it to an empty string
10:00:23  <Rubidium> yes, as it's needed for TTDPatch
10:00:28  <andythenorth_> screw patch :P
10:00:29  <planetmaker> FIRS doesn't work for TTDP
10:00:58  * andythenorth_ will continue bashing at it until it makes sense
10:01:16  <planetmaker> hm, does it make sense to make 0B an option or would that even already work, Rubidium ?
10:01:36  <Rubidium> planetmaker: it should work just fine without 0B
10:01:42  <planetmaker> well then :-)
10:01:56  <Rubidium> if you're focussing on 1.1+, then just use 1B and 1C
10:02:20  <Rubidium> the table given by 1B is just some strings that already exist and which you don't need to translate within your NewGRF
10:02:33  <planetmaker> :-) Sweet
10:03:15  <andythenorth_> planetmaker: so we already restricted to 1.1.x
10:03:21  <andythenorth_> so I can ditch 0B and 0C
10:03:25  <planetmaker> yep
10:03:50  <planetmaker> andythenorth_, maybe you create a ticket like "review code to remove all pre 1.1 legacy crap" :-)
10:04:05  <planetmaker> There might be other places where then unneeded guards and work-arounds are used
10:04:13  <planetmaker> Like industry placement etc...
10:04:34  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Code Review #2287 (New): review code to remove all pre 1.1 legacy... (andythenorth) @
10:06:03  <Rubidium> in any case, 1B is "<num> <units>", 1C is generally "<num> <units> of <name>" (except e.g. "<num> passengers")
10:06:12  <andythenorth_> ok
10:07:28  <andythenorth_> planetmaker: maybe I can reuse the defines for 0B and 0C for 1B and 1C
10:07:31  <andythenorth_> dunno if that's wise
10:07:37  <andythenorth_> they need string codes adding
10:07:43  <andythenorth_> that's my worry about translations...
10:07:50  <andythenorth_> need to decouple text from string codes
10:08:40  <Rubidium> the easiest way to see the different strings is looking at the train details "total cargo" tab
10:09:24  <Rubidium> those lines show "(<1C> (<1B>) (x<weight multiplier>)"
10:11:35  <andythenorth_> thanks
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12:09:53  <Brot6> Swedish Rails - Bug #2288 (New): Check handling of tracks on bridges (planetmaker) @
12:13:03  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2245: An idea wrt running costs and NuTracks (DJNekkid) @
12:15:03  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2245: An idea wrt running costs and NuTracks (DJNekkid) @
12:22:02  <andythenorth> planetmaker: I am hitting trouble with the FIRS cargo definitions
12:22:16  <andythenorth> I can't seem to add a define for a new property
12:22:22  <andythenorth> cargos.pnf is regenerated by make?
12:22:26  <andythenorth> +o
12:30:42  <planetmaker> iirc yes
12:31:17  <planetmaker> there's cargo.list
12:31:25  <planetmaker> nfo/cargos.list
12:33:26  <planetmaker> uhm... you just added the alcohol there ;-)
12:33:41  <planetmaker> but yeah... new property...
12:35:10  <planetmaker> it would need adding to cargos.list and the an update to the generation scripts
12:36:26  <andythenorth> I figured as much
12:38:01  <andythenorth> planetmaker: formatting-wise, cargos.list will become quite unwieldy
12:38:03  <planetmaker> you can pretty safely add new columns(?) rows(?) to the cargos.list file
12:38:21  <andythenorth> more columns will make it ugly no?
12:38:30  <andythenorth> I can't see an alternative though :)
12:39:04  <planetmaker> will be fine. The alternative is to write it not in a table, scrap this scripts and write it somewhat directly
12:39:14  <planetmaker> But adding another column or two is fine with me.
12:39:33  <andythenorth> I'll figure it out
12:39:44  <andythenorth> I can probably understand the script if I go read it
12:40:02  <planetmaker> you can out-source the scripts to me, if you want. But I need very clear instructions what the new columns are :-)
12:40:42  <andythenorth> :)
12:40:46  <andythenorth> save your powder for now
12:40:58  <andythenorth> I should try and understand it better - the cargos have been a bit magical to me
12:41:07  <andythenorth> awk is easy right?
12:41:18  <planetmaker> depends ;-)
12:42:10  <planetmaker> it's a mighty powerful tool
12:42:29  <planetmaker> <-- I always have that open when dealing with it :-P
12:42:30  <Webster> Title: The GNU Awk User's Guide (at
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13:33:46  <andythenorth> planetmaker: I don't need to extend cargos.list
13:33:57  <andythenorth> I'll mod the script and keep the same patterns for strings as already used :)
13:34:02  <andythenorth> looks easy
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14:04:25  <DanMacK> Howdy all
14:16:45  <andythenorth> planetmaker: I am 50% done on converting strings to prop 1B / 1C
14:16:54  <andythenorth> I forsee an interesting time updating translations though
14:17:03  <andythenorth> a lot of translated strings need string codes inserting
14:17:15  <andythenorth> might be better (programmatic) way at compile...
14:21:49  * DanMacK wonders how to apply a palette file in GIMP
14:24:06  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #2289 (New): Cargo string IDs could be refactored (andythenorth) @
14:49:37  <planetmaker> DanMacK, do you have the palette already imported into gimp?
14:51:12  <planetmaker> Image->Mode->Indexed
14:51:44  <planetmaker> then custom palette->open palette selection dialogue
14:51:57  <planetmaker> right click on dialogue->import palette->select the palette file
14:52:52  <planetmaker> then back in the still open "convert image to indexed colours" dialogue: use custom palette->the palette you want
14:52:54  <planetmaker> done
14:53:11  <planetmaker> the import of course only has to be done once when gimp doesn't yet know the TTD palettes
14:53:24  <planetmaker> it'll remember them forever so to say
14:54:42  <planetmaker> But mind, DanMacK: Applying a palette to an RGB image is not a 1:1 conversion... it may fail and use action or CC colours where none are intended and vice versa.
14:59:19  <Ammler> that are the non-action/non-cc palette for
15:01:15  <planetmaker> well, yes :-) - but if you use a vehicle with blue and CC there's no way to do that automatically
15:01:35  <planetmaker> if it has ambigeous colours. Or a vehicle which has, say, a flashing orange light
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15:12:30  <DanMacK> Hey Lakie
15:12:43  <Lakie> Hi DanMacK
15:13:46  <andythenorth> planetmaker: if you have any time, you could see what I broke with the next commit :)
15:13:49  <andythenorth> if not, np
15:13:57  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1744:b7742b1199d2: Change: (work in progress) modify car... (andythenorth) @
15:13:58  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1745:f39245d541a0: Cleanup: remove a lot of un-needed st... (andythenorth) @
15:13:58  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1746:b0e28c5efa9c: Cleanup: remove un-needed defines for... (andythenorth) @
15:13:59  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1747:9824e989c266: Cleanup: alphabetise string defines i... (andythenorth) @
15:14:03  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1748:34f6162ef296: Feature: use improved string code han... (andythenorth) @
15:14:13  <planetmaker> I'll look later, andythenorth
15:14:17  <andythenorth> thanks
15:14:22  * andythenorth is going out
15:14:26  <andythenorth> laters
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15:16:46  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #1685 (Closed): wrong english string (andythenorth) @
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15:54:38  <DJNekkid> i've started to have a bit of an anoying problem:
15:55:05  <DJNekkid> at times the powercord of my laptop gets jerked out, and when it does, my KDE decides to log out.
15:55:23  <DJNekkid> anyone else who have had the same problem, heard about it, or somehow know a solution?
15:55:44  <planetmaker> use gnome?
15:56:30  <DJNekkid> i have absolutely no idea on how to change, and i like this KDE-thingy :D
16:00:28  <Ammler> DJNekkid: change the akku level
16:00:51  <Ammler> and indeed GNOME is no solution, I would still prefer windows over Gnome :-)
16:01:21  <Ammler> somewhere in Energy Settings, you can adjust it
16:02:19  <Lakie> Heh, I used to prefer kde, but the jump to kde 3/4 was a bit much
16:03:12  <Ammler> Lakie: as always, major version jumps needs some time to get used to it :-)
16:04:13  <Ammler> KDE4 needed almost a year, KDE4 < 4.2 is unuseable
16:06:05  <Ammler> anyway, DJN's issue has nothing to do with the wm :-)
16:07:09  <Lakie> heh, yeah
16:19:26  <DJNekkid> i think i might have figured it
16:26:12  <DJNekkid> and as a bloke who is used to windows, KDE felt very natural
16:27:08  <DJNekkid> any suggestions on a code-writeing-notepad-thingy?
16:27:13  <DJNekkid> is is kwrite as good as any?
16:27:43  <planetmaker> kate
16:27:51  <planetmaker> or kdevelop
16:28:36  <planetmaker> let's say, I use kate on a daily basis :-)
16:28:50  <planetmaker> kdevelop is a bit too bulky for my needs
16:30:12  <DJNekkid> that kate thing looks ok :)
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16:53:29  <Ammler> kate does automatically clean trailing whitespaces etc.
16:54:12  <Brot6> WebOTTD - Revision 80:a43cad8a445b: Change: compress/rewrite some expressions (avdg) @
16:56:18  <Rubidium> Ammler: only if you configure it to do so
16:56:31  <Rubidium> and fun fact: it does it upon load and save
16:57:35  <avdg> bleh, that patch was broken :(
17:00:42  <Brot6> WebOTTD - Revision 81:b7301f51dd0b: Fix: syntax error in return statement (avdg) @
17:08:55  <Brot6> nml: update from r1180 to r1185 done -
17:11:25  <DJNekkid> wow, i love Kate :D
17:11:45  <DJNekkid> dont tell my wife :P
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17:12:37  <andythenorth> I've broken the string for FIRS wool, and I can't figure how
17:13:04  <andythenorth> in the current repo
17:14:31  <avdg> did you trace on when it happened in the repo?
17:15:29  <andythenorth> nope
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17:17:13  <avdg> get hg bisect and trace it ;-)
17:17:35  <DJNekkid> moveing 'common stuff' into separate files, that would be good programingship i assume?
17:18:35  <Brot6> 2cctrainset: update from r736 to r739 done (6 errors) -
17:19:14  <Brot6> firs: update from r1743 to r1748 done -
17:19:33  <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: 32bpp-extra (r39), ai-admiralai (r75), ai-aroai (r11), ailib-common (r21), ailib-direction (r17), ailib-list (r32), ailib-string (r29), ailib-tile (r16), airportsplus (r71), basecosts (r22), belarusiantowns (r8), bros (r45), comic-houses (r71), fish (r567), frenchtowns (r6), grfcodec (r821), heqs (r572), indonesiantowns (r41), manindu (r6), metrotrackset (r56), narvs (r5), newgrf_makefile
17:19:33  <Brot6> (r255), nml (r1185), nutracks (r176), ogfx-industries (r3), ogfx-landscape (r23), ogfx-rv (r78), ogfx-trains (r208), ogfx-trees (r42), opengfx (r608), openmsx (r97), opensfx (r97), smts (r19), snowlinemod (r45), spanishtowns (r10), swedishrails (r193), swisstowns (r22), transrapidtrackset (r15), ttdviewer (r26), ttrs (r24), worldairlinersset (r671)
17:20:44  <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Airports - Bug #2290 (New): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @
17:20:44  <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Landscape - Bug #2291 (Confirmed): Special sprite for the purchase menu (planetmaker) @
17:20:44  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2292 (New): NZR RM31 (Voyager1) @
17:21:50  <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Landscape - Bug #2293 (New): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @
17:21:54  <Brot6> ogfx-rv: rebuild of r78 done (1 errors) (Diffsize: 7) (DiffDiffsize: 7) -
17:23:04  <Brot6> Following repos rebuilds successful without any difference to earlier nightlies builds: belarusiantowns, frenchtowns, indonesiantowns (1 errors), manindu (Diffsize: 1), narvs, newgrf_makefile, ogfx-industries, ogfx-trains (39 errors) (Diffsize: 1), spanishtowns, swedishrails (Diffsize: 6), swisstowns
17:24:43  <Ammler> avdg: hg bisect is quite advanced stuff...
17:37:59  <planetmaker> hm, something changed with recolour. But not in the documentation :S
18:01:59  <andythenorth> Terkhen / planetmaker: could you confirm a FIRS bug for me?
18:10:50  * andythenorth resolves a slightly obscure bug :)
18:12:47  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1749:29f3f25f1f20: Fix: Wool cargo string was being hidd... (andythenorth) @
18:13:23  <Terkhen> andythenorth: sorry, I was away
18:13:25  <Terkhen> what bug?
18:13:46  <andythenorth> fixed :)
18:14:15  <Terkhen> ok :)
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18:49:18  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #1685 (Closed): wrong english string (andythenorth) @
18:49:18  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #2286 (Closed): Inconsistent use of units for weight (andythenorth) @
18:53:00  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1750:1073ece3f71e: Add: png for cargo icons (andythenorth) @
18:53:00  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1751:d9faa996947c: Change: use png instead of pcx for ca... (andythenorth) @
19:03:23  <Brot6> 32bpp-ez-patches: update from r22027 to r22042 done (2 errors) -
19:06:55  <Brot6> clientpatches: update from r21488 to r21488 done -
19:08:04  <Brot6> serverpatches: compile of r22042 still failed (#2080) -
19:35:30  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2294 (New): FS ETR200 (Voyager1) @
19:49:08  <DJNekkid> awsome! :D
19:49:48  <DJNekkid> #2245 works :D
19:49:48  <Brot6> DJNekkid: #2245 is "2cc train set - Feature #2245: An idea wrt running costs and NuTracks - #openttdcoop Development Zone"
20:26:52  <Brot6> Grapes - Revision 96:6be8fc54fd7a: Doc: Document messaging interfaces (dih) @
20:26:52  <Brot6> Grapes - Revision 97:6573a290b25c: Add: own implementation of the ServiceLoader (dih) @
20:26:52  <Brot6> Grapes - Revision 98:e67e92dc9bf4: Change: ExtentionPoint should no longer be defined inside Grap... (dih) @
20:26:52  <Brot6> Grapes - Revision 99:9f4566416cf1: Add: OpenTTD related Interfaces extending the new ExtentionPoi... (dih) @
20:26:56  <Brot6> Grapes - Revision 100:abd0b80af1be: Add: Implementation of the messaging Interfaces (dih) @
20:27:01  <Brot6> Grapes - Revision 101:eb50b4d6c57c: Change: use the new ServiceLoader in order to load Definition... (dih) @
20:27:05  <Brot6> Grapes - Revision 102:44b302d648be: Change: use Interfaces instead of Annotations for ExtentionPo... (dih) @
20:27:09  <Brot6> Grapes - Revision 103:9905c322a71b: Add: Mention all OpenTTD ExtentionPoints in order to find the... (dih) @
20:37:53  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1752:9743f07ef47b: Change: reorder some defines for cons... (andythenorth) @
20:37:53  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1753:37e29d5bfacf: Feature: updated cargo icons for Alco... (andythenorth) @
20:37:53  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1831 (Closed): Review cargo icons - are all cargos covered? (andythenorth) @
20:37:53  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #1580 (Closed): Cargo icon sprites need updating (andythenorth) @
20:41:34  <andythenorth> planetmaker: any coding time today?
20:41:42  <andythenorth> np if you're busy :D
20:46:24  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1754:7a38b3e406c6: Feature: Dredging Site uses neighbour... (andythenorth) @
20:46:55  <Brot6> Grapes - Revision 104:4dbc57989252: Fix: Correctly invoke Methods (dih) @
20:47:32  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Revision 740:a2fc70c614b1: Change: Move the generic MU-stuff into a separate file... (DJNekkid) @
20:47:32  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Revision 741:0edce4feee46: Feature: #2245 for MU's. Engines remains (DJNekkid) @
20:47:32  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Revision 742:908d38c796c4: Feature: #2245 now also for engines. Close #2245 (DJNekkid) @
20:47:34  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2245 (Closed): An idea wrt running costs and NuTracks (DJNekkid) @
20:51:20  <Brot6> Grapes - Revision 105:6060262a885d: Add: First Demonstration Command (!newgame) (dih) @
20:51:20  <Brot6> Grapes - Revision 106:a33e46b44047: Add: OpenTTDPlugin which handles Command execution by followi... (dih) @
20:52:59  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1755:cf3491870773: Change: adjust position of Dredging S... (andythenorth) @
20:53:32  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #2255 (Closed): Dredging Site needs neighbouring industry... (andythenorth) @
20:58:24  <Brot6> Java OpenTTD Admin Library - Revision 77:e56b8af84231: Change: create bundled builds also for joan (dih) @
21:07:44  <DJNekkid> GJ DJNekkid :D
21:07:45  <DJNekkid> hehe
21:36:07  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Revision 743:4ac30105dd59: Feature: Added flip-bit to the misc props on all engin... (DJNekkid) @
21:36:07  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Code Review #2262 (Closed): Add "engine flip" bit to singe engines (DJNekkid) @
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23:32:38  <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Landscape - Bug #2273 (Rejected): DevZone compile failed (planetmaker) @
23:33:05  <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Landscape - Bug #2273 (Rejected): DevZone compile failed (planetmaker) @
23:33:05  <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Landscape - Revision 24:a3a1dd189ce8: Fix #2293: Adopt nmlc's new handling of recolour s... (planetmaker) @
23:33:05  <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Landscape - Bug #2293 (Closed): DevZone compile failed (planetmaker) @
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23:44:39  <Brot6> Grapes - Revision 107:8be1fcafa13b: Change: Move other interfaces out of GrapeExtentionPoint (dih) @
23:44:39  <Brot6> Grapes - Revision 108:c086dfa9a611: Change: Issue a warning when an ExtentionPoint is unknown (dih) @
23:44:39  <Brot6> Grapes - Revision 109:37c00171ff2e: Change: return the PluginDescriptor when adding a Plugin to t... (dih) @
23:44:41  <Brot6> Grapes - Revision 110:4fb883f4255a: Add: Access tho the Jar filename of a Plugin (dih) @
23:46:34  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1186:8d66319e947b: Add: NewObjects also allow to make use of the ... (planetmaker) @

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