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00:00:04 <Brot6> World Airliners Set - Bug #2084 (Closed): DevZone compile failed (Frank) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2084#change-5963 00:25:10 <Brot6> North American Road Vehicle Set (NARVS) - Revision 18:f11ff6496a66: added Blender files (oberhuemer) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/narvs/repository/revisions/f11ff6496a66 00:26:30 <Brot6> narvs: update from to r18 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/narvs/push/r18 00:26:49 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature #885: Toyland House and Industry Ground tile (athanasios) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/885#change-5985 00:26:56 <Brot6> North American Road Vehicle Set (NARVS) - Bug #2333 (New): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2333 00:49:10 *** andythenorth has left #openttdcoop.devzone 01:02:31 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 02:00:36 *** thgergo has quit IRC 08:33:30 <Brot6> DictatorAI - Revision 46:bd2b09fe432f: - Pickup another route if the route lack a place to go (krinn) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ai-dictator/repository/revisions/bd2b09fe432f 09:00:36 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1217:98d8d11ee39f: Change: make VarAction2LoadTempVar also an exp... (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/98d8d11ee39f 09:00:36 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1218:7c4c0902f2d9: Change: optimize divisions/multiplications by ... (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/7c4c0902f2d9 09:00:36 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1219:e28de2d2aeb7: Change: optimize shift-left on a variable that... (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/e28de2d2aeb7 09:00:38 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1220:2346ec9d88cc: Fix: for random action2's that need to compute... (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/2346ec9d88cc 09:39:47 *** Seberoth2 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 09:44:05 *** Seberoth2 has quit IRC 09:46:04 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 09:54:19 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1221:afa5516a700e: Cleanup: remove some duplicate code (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/afa5516a700e 09:59:59 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1222:cc77672aad57: Add: some comments in the nfo output for varac... (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/cc77672aad57 10:13:04 <planetmaker> Yexo, you updated the fences patch for FIRS a few days ago... could you add that to http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2320 if you still have it on your local system? 10:13:12 *** andythenorth has left #openttdcoop.devzone 10:19:40 <Yexo> done 10:20:40 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #2320: Fences for industries (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2320#change-5986 10:28:21 <planetmaker> thank you :-) 10:29:09 <planetmaker> I think that or something very similar should become part of FIRS. And... I might look to add that somewhen not too distant future ;-) 11:54:37 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:09:02 *** orudge has quit IRC 12:09:02 *** Rubidium has quit IRC 12:09:02 *** PeterT has quit IRC 12:09:02 *** yorick has quit IRC 12:09:02 *** Brot6 has quit IRC 12:09:02 *** seberoth has quit IRC 12:09:02 *** Ammler has quit IRC 12:09:02 *** michi_cc has quit IRC 12:09:02 *** avdg has quit IRC 12:09:02 *** V453000 has quit IRC 12:09:02 *** OwenS has quit IRC 12:09:02 *** xabo has quit IRC 12:09:02 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 12:09:02 *** XeryusTC has quit IRC 12:09:02 *** DJNekkid has quit IRC 12:09:02 *** SmatZ has quit IRC 12:09:02 *** Yexo has quit IRC 12:09:02 *** Hirundo has quit IRC 12:09:45 *** yorick has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:09:46 *** Brot6 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:09:46 *** seberoth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:13:44 *** Rubidium has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:13:44 *** orudge has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:13:44 *** PeterT has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:14:00 *** Ammler has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:14:00 *** michi_cc has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:14:00 *** OwenS has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:14:00 *** avdg has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:14:00 *** V453000 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:14:01 *** xabo has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:14:01 *** welshdragon has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:14:01 *** Yexo has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:14:01 *** XeryusTC has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:14:01 *** DJNekkid has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:14:01 *** SmatZ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:14:01 *** Hirundo has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 13:51:40 *** Brot6 is now known as Guest1714 13:51:52 *** Brot6 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 13:52:46 *** Brot6 has quit IRC 13:53:52 *** Brot6 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 13:57:50 *** Guest1714 has quit IRC 14:38:07 <Brot6> DictatorAI - Revision 47:c1df3542327d: - Remove some code (krinn) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ai-dictator/repository/revisions/c1df3542327d 14:45:53 *** Lakie has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 14:47:10 *** thgergo has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:24:04 <V453000> hm, I didnt set any parameters for FIRS, yet industries change productions. Not only decrease but also increase ... is that expected? 15:26:45 <planetmaker> Doesn't it need to _set_ a parameter to disable changes? 15:27:16 <planetmaker> surely you'll have the developer tools enabled so you can check the parameters also ingame :-) 15:27:25 <planetmaker> and what they read 15:27:44 <planetmaker> if that's inconsistent with the behaviour... you know what to do :-P 15:34:48 <V453000> sure,sure, I will first let the game progress a bit so I have a material to support the eventual report with 15:38:50 <V453000> but well ... how do you _set_ a parameter with the parameter gui ... when it already says industries xyz decrease: off 15:47:51 <planetmaker> set it to 'on' and see whether only the text is wrong ;-) 15:49:00 <planetmaker> I don't know the code in FIRS which is related to that, I never even dared to look at it - except the parameter GUI so to say... 15:49:09 <planetmaker> but it did work in the previous versions, didn't it? 15:49:35 <planetmaker> or didn't those parameters work there either? 15:50:28 <V453000> I think when you didnt set any parameters in previous versions, at least pre-0.6., industries totally did not change 15:50:55 <V453000> I am actually quite sure about it because we played only with that, since allowing dying meant the bug when even serviced secondaries died 15:51:19 <planetmaker> yeah... - I'm not aware that anything changed there - but that doesn't mean anything ;-) 15:55:22 <V453000> I will make a report later then ... or ask andy first :) 15:56:07 <planetmaker> :-) 16:18:24 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2334 (New): NS 8200 DD-IRM (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2334 16:19:56 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2334: NS 8200 DD-IRM (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2334#change-5987 16:24:27 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2335 (New): NS 20 'Kameel' (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2335 16:26:42 *** frosch123 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:28:49 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:45:35 <Brot6> DictatorAI - Revision 48:112a24986e85: - If we can't find a place to build station, now return a ... (krinn) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ai-dictator/repository/revisions/112a24986e85 16:45:36 <Brot6> DictatorAI - Revision 49:8ab321a2a581: - Change again delay to build from 1 month upto 3 months (krinn) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ai-dictator/repository/revisions/8ab321a2a581 16:45:36 <Brot6> DictatorAI - Revision 50:7d72ee61b373: - Avoid cloning a vehicle that have a goto depot order (krinn) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ai-dictator/repository/revisions/7d72ee61b373 16:46:09 <Brot6> North American Road Vehicle Set (NARVS) - Bug #2333: DevZone compile failed (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2333#change-5988 17:09:28 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Bug #2336 (New): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2336 17:18:39 <Brot6> narvs: update from r17 to r18 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/narvs/nightlies/r18 17:18:50 <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: 2cctrainset (r743), 32bpp-extra (r39), ai-admiralai (r75), ai-aroai (r11), ailib-common (r21), ailib-direction (r17), ailib-list (r32), ailib-string (r29), ailib-tile (r16), airportsplus (r73), basecosts (r22), belarusiantowns (r8), bros (r51), comic-houses (r71), firs (r1801), fish (r588), frenchtowns (r6), grfcodec (r821), heqs (r572), indonesiantowns (r41), manindu (r6), metrotrackset 17:18:50 <Brot6> (r56), newgrf_makefile (r255), nml (ERROR r1222), nutracks (r176), ogfx-industries (r3), ogfx-landscape (r34), ogfx-rv (r78), ogfx-trains (r210), ogfx-trees (r42), opengfx (r610), openmsx (r97), opensfx (r97), smts (r19), snowlinemod (r45), spanishtowns (r10), swedishrails (r198), swisstowns (r22), transrapidtrackset (r15), ttdviewer (r26), ttrs (r33), worldairlinersset (r671) 17:19:26 <planetmaker> damn, regression tests of NML already take quite some time on this machine ;-) 17:19:54 <planetmaker> but 2336 is a simple fix :-) 17:20:18 <Yexo> yep 17:21:19 <Yexo> I've run the regression test like 20 times today, just not after that last change 17:22:01 <planetmaker> :-) 17:22:06 <Yexo> it takes about 4.5 seconds to run it 17:22:10 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Bug #2336 (Closed): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2336 17:22:10 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Bug #2336 (Closed): DevZone compile failed (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2336#change-5989 17:22:10 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1223:2b95ab664669: Fix #2336 (r1222): forgot to update regression... (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/2b95ab664669 17:22:19 <planetmaker> here it's more like 30 seconds or so. Old P4... 17:22:45 <Brot6> nml: update from r1216 to r1223 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/nml/nightlies/r1223 17:23:07 <Yexo> only now all other projects that need nml were not updated today 17:24:25 <DJNekkid> hi all :D 17:24:34 <planetmaker> I think not that tragic, is it? 17:24:50 <planetmaker> hi DJN 17:25:05 <DJNekkid> how is things hanging/standing/laying today? :) 17:25:16 <Yexo> no, not really :p 17:25:21 <Yexo> evening DJNekkid 17:25:28 <DJNekkid> Yexo :D 17:55:42 <Ammler> [18:23] <Yexo> only now all other projects that need nml were not updated today <-- "mass"-rebuild will happen tomorrow 17:56:07 <Brot6> DictatorAI - Revision 51:f6583a8c76c2: - Send a low reliability vehicle to servicing (krinn) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ai-dictator/repository/revisions/f6583a8c76c2 17:56:07 <Brot6> DictatorAI - Revision 52:f9a844d53eb5: - for easier fairlevel, never pickup a route where someone... (krinn) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ai-dictator/repository/revisions/f9a844d53eb5 18:33:45 <DJNekkid> how the *crap* do i open the OpenTTD ports on my server-box 18:47:59 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 19:03:51 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 19:04:14 <Brot6> 32bpp-ez-patches: update from r22088 to r22090 done (2 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/32bpp-ez-patches/testing/r22090 19:04:52 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:07:07 <Brot6> clientpatches: update from r21488 to r21488 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/clientpatches/testing/r21488 19:08:59 <Brot6> serverpatches: compile of r22090 still failed (#2080) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/serverpatches/testing/ERROR/r22090 19:11:33 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 19:11:59 <Ammler> DJNekkid: are you sure, they are closed? 19:12:35 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:13:42 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:14:57 *** ODM has quit IRC 19:15:10 <andythenorth> evenings 19:15:47 <Ammler> DJNekkid: if you still use suse there, yast is the answer :-) 19:19:17 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 19:20:18 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:21:37 <Terkhen> hi andythenorth 19:21:50 <andythenorth> hi hi 19:22:17 <Terkhen> andythenorth: I'm mounting the "new" computer right now, soon we will know if I can profile with it or not :) 19:22:24 <andythenorth> ok 19:26:00 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 19:27:01 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:42:15 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 19:52:08 <DJNekkid> Ammler: yes, suse :D 19:52:45 <DJNekkid> but there is no 'custum' in the dropdown menu 19:52:46 <DJNekkid> :( 19:56:38 <DJNekkid> and in the bottow menu (custum rules) i did 0/0 , low-port:high-port 20:02:35 *** _xabo has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:09:38 *** xabo has quit IRC 20:11:45 <Ammler> DJNekkid: why do you use a firewall at all? 20:11:53 <Ammler> is your server exposed, no NAT? 20:17:08 <DJNekkid> Ammler: no, not really exposed, i just figured it would be smart? :D 20:17:33 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:18:09 <Ammler> if you have NAT, you have already a fw 20:18:33 <Ammler> I mean, you can use the same which you use for NAT also for filtering 20:18:34 <DJNekkid> true enough 20:22:02 <DJNekkid> currently messing with wine to get some games running :) 20:22:19 <DJNekkid> did install 11.3 on both my and the wifes laptop :) 20:23:34 <DJNekkid> but we do have some slight problem with flash things (youtube and things) 20:24:17 <Ammler> don't forget non-oss, update and packman 20:24:35 <Ammler> set packman a higher prio, lower number 20:26:49 <DJNekkid> i had it set it to 100, as i thought that were higher :D 20:28:40 <DJNekkid> her suse is in norwegian 20:28:45 <DJNekkid> and some words are just hilarious 20:29:07 <DJNekkid> repository is translated 'pakkebrønn' ... translates to english as 'packagewell' 20:30:42 <Ammler> well, you can use 2 languages at once 20:31:05 <Ammler> so e.g. set user root to English for configurations :-) 20:31:23 <Ammler> and just use KDE with Norwegian 20:31:30 <DJNekkid> its ok :) 20:31:48 <Ammler> not like stupid Windows, where it is limited to one language :-) 20:32:03 <DJNekkid> installed it for her last night 20:32:11 <DJNekkid> she heavent complaied yet, just the flash player thingy 20:35:05 <Ammler> everything should work :-) 20:36:48 <DJNekkid> i've googled it abit 20:36:58 <Ammler> it? 20:37:06 <DJNekkid> and it looks like there are more people complaining about flash player 20:37:12 <DJNekkid> i.e. youtube clips 'stop' 20:37:19 <DJNekkid> turns into a gray square 20:37:24 <Ammler> as said, I have no issues 20:37:27 <DJNekkid> and some facebook games 20:37:46 <Ammler> well, there is no shockwave 20:38:14 <DJNekkid> there? 20:38:20 <Ammler> for linux 20:38:52 <DJNekkid> i did install an adope flash thingy instead of the ... 20:39:00 <DJNekkid> pulling-flash or somethign like that 20:39:11 <Ammler> flash != shockwave 20:40:08 <DJNekkid> im not following 20:40:44 <Ammler> and you should never install something from non-suse repos, if available there 20:40:47 <Ammler> like flash 20:40:56 <Ammler> or graphics drivers 20:41:13 <DJNekkid> not even nvidia things? 20:41:20 <DJNekkid> form the 'additional repos' ? 20:41:33 <Ammler> yes, there is a suse repo at nvidia 20:41:45 <Ammler> I guess, you can add it through the community repos 20:42:01 <DJNekkid> http://en.opensuse.org/Additional_package_repositories 20:42:02 <Webster> Title: Additional package repositories - openSUSE (at en.opensuse.org) 20:42:20 <Ammler> yes, fine :-) 20:42:43 <DJNekkid> added the nvidia repo from that page 20:42:46 <DJNekkid> plus packman 20:42:50 <Ammler> well, don't use vlc from videolan 20:43:04 <Ammler> use the packman vlc 20:43:32 <DJNekkid> i did notice the (Do Not Mix with Packman) part 20:43:33 <DJNekkid> :D 20:43:40 <Ammler> good :-) 20:43:58 <Ammler> well, and repo games for stable openttd :-) 20:44:10 <Ammler> or repo home:openttdcoop for testing openttd 20:44:30 <DJNekkid> thoose i compile myself :) 20:45:17 <DJNekkid> the stable version that come out 'today' is obsolete 'tomorrow' :) 20:45:22 <Ammler> well, you still need the openttd rpm to install the build tools 20:45:50 <DJNekkid> thoose i did zypper install <whatever> :) 20:45:51 <DJNekkid> hehe 20:46:09 <DJNekkid> *slightly not-so-linux-noob-as-i-used-to-be-a-few-months-ago* 20:46:12 <DJNekkid> but only slightly :) 20:46:42 <DJNekkid> but either way 20:47:09 <DJNekkid> according to the mentioned googling, noone have reported flash problems with 11.4 RC1 (or2, i dont remember) 20:47:19 <DJNekkid> and 11.4 is due to come medio mars 20:47:26 <Ammler> well, 11.4 is not for you 20:47:30 <Ammler> not yet 20:47:46 <DJNekkid> roughly 1.st april :D 20:47:55 <DJNekkid> or? 20:48:07 <Ammler> release date + two months 20:48:16 <DJNekkid> oki :D 20:48:28 <Ammler> :-) 20:48:40 <Ammler> I wait around half a year or longer 20:48:55 <DJNekkid> to upgrade to the 'next stable' ? 20:49:08 <Ammler> yes, you need to do that at least yearly 20:49:35 <Ammler> the downside if you use bleeding edge distros 20:49:57 <Ammler> but dist upgrade is as easy as a "normal" update 20:50:04 <DJNekkid> yea... 20:50:25 <DJNekkid> you talked me thru the 11.0 to 11.3 on the server when i heavent figured out the problem yet 20:50:43 <DJNekkid> it were about 3 or 4 commands in the terminal 20:52:20 <Ammler> btw. if you change repos, you should also run "zypper dup" 20:52:50 <Ammler> like now, when you changed prio of packman 20:53:22 <Ammler> and you should check with "zypper lr" that every repo except oss, non-oss do refresh 20:54:24 <DJNekkid> about 50 updates, 1/3 were downgrades, a couple were remove, and the rest were updates 20:55:19 <DJNekkid> 43 packages to upgrade, 28 to downgrade, 36 new, 5 to remove, 71 to change vendor 20:55:56 <DJNekkid> i guess that packman fellar knows his things :P 20:56:06 <DJNekkid> < ............................. 20:56:10 <DJNekkid> :P 21:00:03 <Ammler> well, many downgrades might simply be other build runs 21:00:33 <DJNekkid> im not worried :D 21:00:44 <Ammler> just check the version details 21:00:53 <Ammler> I don't run every update 21:01:19 <DJNekkid> i'ts probably like r22043 instead of r22053 of openttd :P 21:02:04 <Ammler> no, it is like r22043 from you or r22043 from me 21:02:56 <Ammler> but e.g. k3b from packman has mp3 support 21:03:08 <Ammler> or ktorrent has dht etc. 21:03:55 <Ammler> opensuse has hard restrictions accoding to proprietary software 21:04:16 <Ammler> or the stupid german law 21:05:21 <DJNekkid> lol 21:05:29 <Ammler> you might also miss dvdcss 21:05:44 <DJNekkid> DVD-jon's thing? :P 21:07:03 <Ammler> yes, german law doesn't allow dvd tools which are able to run dvd from other regions 21:08:12 <DJNekkid> we have a like 30€ DVD-player hooked up to the TV... 21:08:20 <DJNekkid> region free and all, so its ok :D 21:08:48 <Ammler> DJNekkid: zypper ar -r http://opensuse-guide.org/repo/11.3/libdvdcss.repo && zypper in libdvdcss 21:11:49 <DJNekkid> noted :D 21:29:36 *** frosch123 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:43:46 <DJNekkid> thats anoying 21:43:58 <DJNekkid> when im tradeing guns with the indians the game goes black 21:44:02 <DJNekkid> (colonization) 21:48:50 <Ammler> yes, give them alcohol, that is all they need, according to the movies 21:49:00 <V453000> ^_^ 21:50:30 <DJNekkid> hmm, not even horses work :( 21:54:08 <frosch123> andythenorth: Hirundo Yexo: http://wiki.openttd.org/Frosch/Extended_Sprite_Layout <- anything to add? 21:56:44 <andythenorth> frosch123: looks like it could also be purposed to handle animation? 21:56:48 <Yexo> do objects have construction stages? (bit unrelated) 21:57:47 <frosch123> currently objects use only the first sprite in a set 22:00:21 <frosch123> same as for airports :) 22:02:55 <planetmaker> frosch123: also when you didn't ask me, I'm quite happy with the syntax 22:02:56 <Yexo> only thing I can think of you could add is a way to set the palette also via a register 22:03:20 <frosch123> sorry, planetmaker :) 22:03:21 <planetmaker> palette / recolour sprite you mean? yeah 22:03:29 <planetmaker> no offence taken :-) 22:03:35 <planetmaker> was mean humorous :-) 22:04:00 <frosch123> hmm, palette... 22:04:03 <planetmaker> irc doesn't carry that well. 22:06:12 <frosch123> one bit for "add register to palette", one for "palette from action 1", one reserved for "set bounding box dimension via registers", remains one left 22:06:18 <planetmaker> what about z-offset? 22:06:38 <frosch123> oh, typo, the scond yofffset is zoffset :) 22:06:45 <andythenorth> I can't see anything missing, but testing real code is best :D 22:07:02 <planetmaker> oh, missed the doubling there ;-) 22:07:37 <andythenorth> if there was a somewhat working patch, I would happily try and find edge cases 22:07:43 <andythenorth> even if it was far from trunk-ready 22:08:00 * andythenorth seems to find the difficult cases 22:08:27 <Yexo> Note: In contrast to the usual Action2 <groundsprite> may be zero to not draw any sprite. <- isn't that already supported for the "extended" format? 22:08:45 <frosch123> ottd does that, but the specs say it is not allowed :) 22:09:17 <Yexo> Since 2.0.1 alpha 57, the groundsprite value can be zero if no ground sprite is needed (this is useful if you need to draw custom foundations, see example). 22:09:40 <frosch123> oh, i thing i confused it with buldingsprite 22:09:51 <frosch123> (buildingsprite zero would make no sense anyway) 22:10:19 <Yexo> buildingsprite zero does make sense, but for that case you can use the basic format 22:10:57 <Yexo> however the basic format has to z-offset, so how does that cooperate with your new syntax? 22:11:50 <frosch123> basic format is not supported 22:12:03 <frosch123> makes no sense to do 22:12:28 <frosch123> either you have a buildingsprite, then you can use the extended format as well 22:12:38 <Yexo> but say I have a tile with only a groundsprite and no buildingsprite but still want to use an offset for that groundsprite 22:12:42 <frosch123> or you have a groundsprite, then you can use the extended format as well 22:13:02 <frosch123> via the draw groundsprites as childsprites thingie 22:13:14 <Yexo> ah, I didn't think of that :) 22:13:24 <Yexo> so groundsprite = 0, childsprite = actual groundsprite 22:13:39 <frosch123> yup, i added a line about that now 22:13:44 <Yexo> hmm, nml could make use of that to simplify the code a bit 22:13:54 <planetmaker> :-) 22:14:18 <frosch123> Yexo: groundsprite has some special effects 22:14:29 <frosch123> like plain water tile draws water matching waterclass 22:15:16 <frosch123> you cannot do that magic with registers, but i think it would not make sense anyway 22:15:46 <Yexo> hmm, true 22:16:02 <Yexo> so for a tile with just water and nothing else the basic format should still be used 22:18:01 <Yexo> "palette from action 1" <- no more GRM just to use a custom palette? nice :) 22:19:27 <planetmaker> that sounds good 22:19:52 <Yexo> overall a very nice spec :) 22:19:57 <frosch123> added 22:20:03 * andythenorth likes 22:20:05 <andythenorth> "Not all .grf files will work with OpenTTD, as NewGRF is, at this stage of development, only partially supported. Unfortunately, there is no way of knowing ahead of time which .grf files will work with OpenTTD and which will not. The only way to tell is to install the .grf and begin playing." 22:20:08 <andythenorth> is that even true? 22:20:26 <Yexo> where did you read that? 22:20:28 <planetmaker> not quite, I think 22:20:38 <planetmaker> though technically, of course 22:20:42 <andythenorth> meh 22:20:42 <frosch123> andythenorth: there are certain grfs which do not work with ottd 22:20:45 <Yexo> if wiki -> most likely some text from 2006 or so 22:20:57 <frosch123> most easy case: new signals 22:21:04 <andythenorth> my inner pedant is troubled by that page 22:21:08 <frosch123> but there are some corners cases more 22:21:09 <planetmaker> practically those grfs either don't want it, or it could technically be known 22:23:49 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1802:030b13018553: Change: minor edit to docs - mention ... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/030b13018553 22:31:37 * andythenorth will soon be at lat 19 22:33:08 <andythenorth> but even sooner asleep 22:33:10 <andythenorth> good night 22:33:40 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 22:41:38 <Yexo> frosch123: do you also have plans to implement it or are you just writing a spec? 22:42:23 <planetmaker> just watering our mouths ;-) 22:42:43 * planetmaker hopes not so 22:47:02 <Brot6> Polish PKP Set - r13.grf (BarthVader) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/1498/r13.grf 22:47:40 <Brot6> Polish PKP Set - Revision 13:542f01535134: Feature: wagon prices. First Release Candidate (BarthVader) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/pkp-trainset/repository/revisions/542f01535134 22:50:28 <frosch123> Yexo: the plan was to try implementing it this weekend 22:51:05 <Yexo> no rush, I was just curious :) 22:51:26 <frosch123> though it is quite likely, if i do not implement it soon, i will likely not implement it at all :p 22:51:47 <planetmaker> :-P 22:53:37 <Ammler> hmm, I should support building nml without Makefile 22:54:33 <Ammler> else nobody tells BarthVader about missing files ;-) 22:56:27 <planetmaker> hm? 22:56:56 <planetmaker> oh 22:57:32 <planetmaker> well. Maybe a good idea... but that'd mean to move the makefile to the CF basically. At least the makefile_bundles 22:57:49 <planetmaker> but... not sure it makes sense 22:58:48 <Ammler> well, the problem is rather that we do not know the filename 22:59:13 <Ammler> else we could simply run "nmlc project.nml" 22:59:59 <Rubidium> svn ls svn://svn.openttdcoop.org/project/trunk/ | grep '\.nml$' ;) 23:00:24 <Ammler> well, in this case, it isn't even a nml 23:00:34 <Ammler> you could alos simply run nmlc *.nml 23:07:16 <Yexo> I don't see the point, it's a lot of work that doesn't really help 23:07:34 <Yexo> it'd probably be easier to convince BarthVader to use the default makefile system 23:08:11 <Ammler> well, Makefile is hell to setup on windows 23:11:43 <planetmaker> he doesn't need to use it. He just needs to add it 23:12:09 <planetmaker> Maybe I should supply a minimal makefile. Which does not configure anything but just provides the build targets 23:12:11 <planetmaker> for the CF 23:12:31 <planetmaker> that'd be quite easy actually 23:20:38 <frosch123> night 23:20:42 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 23:24:00 <Ammler> oh well, I don't really mind, it should just be something to help those guys notify about complete source, and building on the server seems the easiest 23:24:32 <Ammler> you can run commands on the rpm like a shell script 23:25:11 <Ammler> so whatever, of course not like rubi suggested with "svn/hg <url>" :-) 23:25:22 <Ammler> as the chroot has no internet access