Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 11th March 2011:
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00:56:57  <Brot6> DictatorAI - Revision 93:8ba0d3399414: - Remove unused old code (krinn) @
00:56:57  <Brot6> DictatorAI - Revision 94:84c7ba78f8f1: - Upgrade road station done thru sticky road function, thi... (krinn) @
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03:41:49  <Brot6> CHIPS Station Set - Revision 47:f960ae7e9ace: Change: tiles to match FIRS claypit and quarry (wor... (andythenorth) @
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04:12:29  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1857:3264dda07069: Fix: 4 errors caused by warning 97 (u... (andythenorth) @
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05:19:55  <Brot6> CHIPS Station Set - Revision 48:2dbee1ccc470: Change: stub files for plain terrain station tile (andythenorth) @
05:19:55  <Brot6> CHIPS Station Set - Revision 49:2659b344d7ac: Add: missing files for clay / quarry...don't commit... (andythenorth) @
05:21:00  <Brot6> CHIPS Station Set - Feature #2432 (New): Plain terrain tile - may be problematic (andythenorth) @
05:21:30  <Brot6> CHIPS Station Set - Feature #2433 (New): Improve appearance of clay / quarry tiles (andythenorth) @
05:28:34  <Brot6> CHIPS Station Set - Bug #2434 (New): Multiple instances of warning 209 (andythenorth) @
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09:09:54  <andythenorth> mornings
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09:16:44  <Terkhen> hmm... I wonder why it disconnected
09:18:17  <Ammler> there is somewhere a broken router
09:18:45  <Ammler> try to ping
09:18:55  <Ammler> it is fine from me but others also complained
09:23:16  <Terkhen> both ping and traceroute look fine now
09:24:04  <Ammler> yeah, it is quite hard to reproduce :-(
09:24:39  <Ammler> but because it is not permanent, I quite much doubt, it is a server issue
09:24:49  <Ammler> rahter isp
09:25:37  <Ammler> also I miss "facts" to open a support ticket
09:28:22  <Terkhen> it never happened for me, except one time yesterday and again today
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09:30:22  <Ammler> yeah, I dunno, if the issue is since my kernel update or if that is just a coincidence
09:31:07  <Ammler> my ping is fine too
09:33:49  <planetmaker> well. It's a couple of nicks using the irc bouncer who experienced that.
09:34:48  <Ammler> whois ammler
09:35:24  <Ammler> I can't ping the oftc servers, so how to test those?
09:36:05  <planetmaker> Ammler, if it was them. wouldn't ALL of our nicks time out simultaneously?
09:36:27  <planetmaker> and how does that related to a timeout on our game servers when playing?
09:36:28  <Ammler> we don't connect to the same server
09:36:47  <Ammler> planetmaker: it might be a broken router at hetzner
09:37:08  <planetmaker> it *might* be many things.
09:37:17  <Ammler> depending on the location someone has, we might not use the same to reach hetzner
09:37:35  <Ammler> would be nice, if someone could make a traceroute when the connection is bad
09:37:43  <Ammler> and compare it with a fine one
09:37:57  <planetmaker> that's too transient to do so
09:39:06  <Ammler> ?
09:39:40  <Ammler> but it could give a hint that we don't use same gateway or whatever
09:39:55  <planetmaker> you have to realise that you timed out. You have to be online and aware of that the exact moment. And then have immediately the idea to traceroute it. Maybe even if you immediately do it when you see the irc timeout, it's too late
09:40:15  <planetmaker> s/it's/could be/
09:40:23  <Ammler> ususally you don't reconnect to the same server then
09:48:53  <planetmaker> hm, right
11:10:37  <Ammler> planetmaker (or others):
11:10:38  <Webster> Title: Hetzner Online AG - Status-Webseite (at
11:11:30  <Ammler> our server location is RZ12
11:45:50  <Ammler> @topic add Network issues:
11:45:57  <Ammler> @services op
11:45:57  *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Webster
11:45:58  <Ammler> @services op
11:46:00  <Ammler> @topic add Network issues:
11:46:00  *** Webster changes topic to "Talk about things hosted and developed on | Downloads log: | Sandbox passwords are the same as the usernames | Network issues:"
11:52:42  <planetmaker> interesting, Ammler :-) thx
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12:02:12  <Ammler> so it looks like my kernel update and the network issues is coincidence :-P
12:02:34  <Ammler> that make me feel happy :-D
12:03:02  <Ammler> or bad about isp, dunno?
12:03:21  <Ammler> hmm, I chose happy ;-)
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13:14:04  <andythenorth> morvings
13:17:23  * planetmaker hugs Ammler 
13:17:34  <planetmaker> moin andythenorth
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16:15:05  <Alberth> hmm, finding the url of nightlies through a fixed bug is not ideal :)
16:24:20  <planetmaker> hu?
16:24:58  <planetmaker> care to elaborate, Alberth ?
16:26:59  <Alberth> I was , and wanted to find
16:27:13  <Alberth> +at
16:27:34  <planetmaker> ah
16:27:40  <Alberth> not exactly trivial
16:27:48  <planetmaker> you could go to
16:27:55  <Lakie> planetmaker: I still think you are missing the commas for the patsubst marco? in the newgrf-makefile project, makefile.common, line 10. :)
16:27:56  <planetmaker> and you'll find everything there :-)
16:28:06  <Alberth> *if* you know that exists
16:28:24  <planetmaker> that's true, Alberth :-)
16:28:47  <Yexo> it's part of the topic of this irc channel
16:29:09  <planetmaker> Maybe, Lakie. I'll look at it. Thanks
16:29:33  <Terkhen> IMO all projects with nightlies / releases enabled should have a link to them in their homepage
16:29:33  <Alberth> I wasn't here :)
16:29:50  <Alberth> I also tried  no luck either
16:30:20  <Yexo> hmm, a link to bundles on the homepage would be nice
16:31:15  <Alberth> don't know of another generic place
16:31:27  <planetmaker> Lakie: that's an empty line...
16:31:39  <Lakie> Is it?
16:31:58  <planetmaker> can you quote the line itself?
16:32:22  <Lakie> Should be "
16:32:22  <Lakie> 	$(_V)-rm -rf $(patsubst %.grf %.cnfo $(GRF_FILES)) $(patsubst %.grf %.nfo $(GRF_FILES))"
16:32:54  <Lakie>
16:32:58  <Yexo> Alberth: better now?
16:33:25  <Lakie> Sorry, forgot you probably have a few makefile.commons, I meant the nfo one
16:33:45  <planetmaker> no, I didn't update my repo on this machine. You're right :-)
16:34:04  <planetmaker> it's the same Makefile.common for all (ideally)
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16:34:26  <Lakie> Ah, I guess that makes maintaince easier. :)
16:34:49  <planetmaker> hence the name "common" ;-)
16:35:10  <Alberth> Yexo: nice, thank you.
16:35:39  <Alberth> evenink frosch123
16:36:08  <planetmaker> thx, Yexo
16:36:32  <frosch123> afternoon everyone
16:37:00  <planetmaker> quak :-)
16:37:30  <Brot6> Example NewGRF Project - Revision 262:d1d1eb98f846: Fix: Missing comma (planetmaker) @
16:38:28  <Terkhen> hi frosch123
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16:40:39  <Lakie> Thanks, planetmaker
16:44:54  <planetmaker> thank you for reporting :-)
16:47:39  <andythenorth> does CHIPS need buffer tiles?
16:47:43  <andythenorth> I can't be bothered with them
16:48:41  <andythenorth> 20 tile trains fit in 1 tile depot, ships can drive through each other, and trains can reverse magically
16:48:50  <andythenorth> why bother about it looking like a train has touched a buffer stop :P
16:54:00  <Yexo> main reason against them: they can't be build automatically and having them would break automatic buffers
16:54:54  <andythenorth> I find building them annoying
16:55:20  <andythenorth> anyway, I should go to bed :o
16:55:30  <Alberth> sounds like a good reason not to have them :)
16:55:35  <andythenorth> indeed
16:56:01  <andythenorth> good night
16:56:02  <andythenorth> all
16:56:06  <Alberth> good night andy
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16:59:16  <Ammler> Alberth: blame the manager of manindu ;-)
17:00:42  <Ammler> e.g. you could also add a tab "Downloads" to the project
17:01:19  <frosch123> what?
17:01:47  <Ammler> Alberth: missed a link from your project to the ngihtlies :-)
17:01:54  <Yexo> it isn't obvious to find from a project
17:02:13  <Ammler> Yexo: it depends on the project
17:03:34  <Alberth> the sys admin of the project server did send all managers of the projects an email to alert them of this site and its services? ;D
17:04:19  <frosch123> i did not get any
17:04:27  <planetmaker> [18:00]	<Ammler>	e.g. you could also add a tab "Downloads" to the project <-- how?
17:04:52  <Alberth> frosch123: your release thread had a post about a worried user that found r5 somewhat old :)
17:05:32  <Alberth> so I redirected him to the nightlies, except finding the url needed a search first
17:05:56  <frosch123> ok, well, if there would be anything interesting, i would have put it on bananas :)
17:06:00  <planetmaker> nvm, easy
17:06:01  <Ammler> planetmaker: a module, I added one for NML guide
17:08:11  <Alberth> frosch123: Yeah, I expected that of you :)   And indeed, r6 and r7 were just nmlc-related fixes, I also told him that :)
17:08:21  <frosch123> read it :)
17:08:27  <Ammler> not every manager likes to have the nightlies as public as others
17:08:38  <frosch123> anyway, added those tabs
17:09:11  <Alberth> may you now get many nightly downloads :p
17:09:17  <Ammler> :-)
17:10:35  <Alberth> time to consider some dinner
17:18:33  <Brot6> chips: update from r46 to r49 done (60 errors) -
17:19:41  <Brot6> firs: update from r1856 to r1857 done -
17:20:12  <Brot6> newgrf_makefile: update from r261 to r262 done -
17:20:21  <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: 2cctrainset (r743), 32bpp-extra (r39), ai-admiralai (r75), ai-aroai (r11), ailib-common (r21), ailib-direction (r17), ailib-list (r32), ailib-string (r29), ailib-tile (r16), airportsplus (r73), basecosts (r22), belarusiantowns (r8), bros (r52), comic-houses (r71), fish (r617), frenchtowns (r6), grfcodec (r823), heqs (r580), indonesiantowns (r41), manindu (r7), metrotrackset (r56), narvs
17:20:21  <Brot6> (r29), nml (r1285), nutracks (r179), ogfx-industries (r12), ogfx-landscape (r58), ogfx-rv (r80), ogfx-trains (r220), ogfx-trees (r42), opengfx (r618), openmsx (r97), opensfx (r97), smts (r19), snowlinemod (r49), spanishtowns (r10), swedishrails (r198), swisstowns (r22), transrapidtrackset (r15), ttdviewer (r26), ttrs (r36), worldairlinersset (r671)
17:40:01  <Lakie> Am I write in thinking the nfo header is always appended to the top of the <grf>.nfo file, planetmaker?
17:41:12  <Lakie> 'cause if it is, I'd just append the initial "0 * 4     00 00 00 00" to it, since it gets removed anyway, due to the #'s at the beginning of the cnfo
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18:15:26  <planetmaker> nfo_header is always being added
18:16:06  <Lakie> Ok, neat
18:16:09  <planetmaker> ^ Lakie . Doesn't it contain this 1st sprite?
18:16:16  <Lakie> No
18:16:36  <planetmaker> hm. I guess I left it out in order to not need to change all existing newgrfs.
18:16:39  <Lakie> I wondered since nforenum ate have of one of my sprites
18:16:46  <planetmaker> could be added to the makefile repo, though
18:17:15  <Lakie> Dunno, just seemd convienant to add it to the header, since it'll only be removed elsewhere
18:17:16  <Lakie> :)
18:18:09  <planetmaker> done ;-)
18:18:28  <Lakie> Heh
18:18:51  <Brot6> Example NewGRF Project - Revision 263:4e5566aaaf3b: Add: [NFO] Add the sprite count sprite to the... (planetmaker) @
18:18:53  * Lakie decided not to include any of the nfo header in his pnfos, since its added at the end anyways
18:19:13  <planetmaker> :-)
18:19:35  <planetmaker> Might even be a bit legacy. I recall some circumstances why I added it. Might not even be needed anymore
18:20:28  <Yexo> planetmaker: opengfx?
18:21:07  <planetmaker> hm. that was the reason. indeed.
18:21:41  <planetmaker> well. Having it in the _new_grf makefile is ok, I guess, though
18:21:51  * planetmaker ponders
18:23:12  <Lakie> Does the repo's replace these files for projects or is it our job to copy the updates?
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18:29:18  <planetmaker> projects have to be updated each separately
18:29:36  <planetmaker> auto updates are far too dangerous :-)
18:30:06  <planetmaker> if it works there's not much point to update :-)
19:02:58  <Brot6> 32bpp-ez-patches: compile of h4b020286 still failed (#2343) -
19:06:13  <Brot6> clientpatches: update from r to r done (10 errors) -
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19:09:26  <Brot6> serverpatches: update from r22230 to r22232 done (5 errors) -
19:32:19  <Lakie> Well, its nicely done, though one does need a semi setup hg repository before it works...
19:47:43  <Alberth> just like you need a semi setup computer before you can do stuff... :)
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23:43:58  <Brot6> DictatorAI - Revision 95:e48bce563992: - Try to build road near our station to help it expand later (krinn) @

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