Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 22nd March 2011:
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07:45:33  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #2455 (New): Updated Polish translation. (BarthVader) @
07:45:33  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #2455: Updated Polish translation. (BarthVader) @
09:43:23  <planetmaker> hm, this lord aro should learn much more patience or should use the forum for his questions
09:43:31  <planetmaker> this is not like IRC works ;-)
09:46:48  <V453000> :)
09:47:30  <planetmaker> moin V453000 :-)
09:48:10  <V453000> elo :)
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17:18:15  <Brot6> AroAI - Bug #2456 (New): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @
17:18:33  <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: 2cctrainset (r750), 32bpp-extra (r39), ai-admiralai (r75), ailib-common (r21), ailib-direction (r17), ailib-list (r32), ailib-string (r29), ailib-tile (r16), airportsplus (r73), basecosts (r22), belarusiantowns (r8), bros (r52), chips (r82), comic-houses (r71), firs (r1878), fish (r617), frenchtowns (r6), grfcodec (r828), heqs (r580), indonesiantowns (r41), manindu (r7), metrotrackset
17:18:34  <Brot6> (r56), narvs (r29), newgrf_makefile (r265), nml (r1298), nutracks (r179), ogfx-industries (r12), ogfx-landscape (r58), ogfx-rv (r80), ogfx-trains (r234), ogfx-trees (r42), opengfx (r618), openmsx (r97), opensfx (r97), smts (r19), snowlinemod (r49), spanishtowns (r10), swedishrails (r198), swisstowns (r22), transrapidtrackset (r15), ttdviewer (r26), ttrs (r36), worldairlinersset (r671)
17:22:17  <Brot6> AroAI - Bug #2456: DevZone compile failed (Ammler) @
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17:56:07  <LordAro> binaries, AIs, etc get built at 17:17 UTC+1, yes?
17:58:30  <Ammler> LordAro: yep, as you got the ticket
17:58:54  <Ammler> did you get the mail?
18:00:02  <LordAro> yeah
18:00:34  <LordAro> hmmm
18:00:46  <LordAro> _my_ make fix clearly failed... :/
18:04:11  <Brot6> AroAI - Bug #2456: DevZone compile failed (LordAro) @
18:04:41  <LordAro> Ammler: i don't get what the error message means... help please?
18:06:56  <planetmaker> run 'make bundle_tar' and check its output locally
18:07:27  <LordAro> can't... :/
18:07:55  <planetmaker> but I'm quite sure that simply using a += 50 doesn't work in a shell nor makefile
18:08:11  <planetmaker> it's not c/c++
18:09:58  <LordAro> this implyed it would work...
18:09:59  <Webster> Title: GNU `make' (at
18:10:53  <planetmaker> yes. which gives you the literal strings "256" and "256 + 96"
18:11:04  <planetmaker> or rather "25696"
18:11:14  <LordAro> mmm, yes, i see that now...
18:27:04  <planetmaker> LordAro: I'd suggest to take over the Makefile from AdmiralAI
18:27:09  <planetmaker> and if you want / need math:
18:29:06  <planetmaker> blub = $(shell let tmp = $$var + 96; echo tmp)
18:29:23  <planetmaker> might work. Where var is the previously defined number you want to add something to
18:29:31  <planetmaker> and blub the new var
18:29:56  <LordAro> thanks! :) two q's:
18:30:05  <LordAro> can blub = var?
18:30:11  <Ammler> + make bundle_tar
18:30:12  <Ammler> hg archive: invalid arguments
18:30:14  <Ammler> [TAR]
18:30:15  <Ammler> /bin/sh: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `('
18:30:17  <Ammler> /bin/sh: -c: line 0: `hg archive [OPTION]... DEST  create an unversioned archive of a repository revision      By default, the revision used is the parent of the working directory; use     -r/--rev to specify a different revision.      To specify the type of archive to create, use -t/--type. Valid types are:      "files"  a directory full of files (default)     "tar"    tar archive, uncompressed     "tbz2"   tar archive, compressed
18:30:18  <Ammler> using bzip2     "tgz"    tar archive, compressed using gzip     "uzip"   zip archive, uncompressed     "zip"    zip archive, compressed using deflate      The exact name of the destination archive or directory is given using a     format string; see 'hg help export' for details.      Each member added to an archive file has a directory prefix prepended. Use     -p/--prefix to specify a format string for the prefix. The default is the
18:30:20  <Ammler>     basename of the archive, with suffixes removed.  options:      --no-decode  do not pass files through decoders  -p --prefix     directory prefix for files in archive  -r --rev        revision to distribute  -t --type       type of distribution to create  -I --include    include names matching the given patterns  -X --exclude    exclude names matching the given patterns  use "hg -v help archive" to show global options'
18:30:21  <Ammler> ups
18:30:23  <Ammler> sorry
18:30:25  <planetmaker> Probably it can
18:31:11  <LordAro> what does shell have to be? mine is currently /bin/sh
18:31:37  <Ammler> use bash if in doubt
18:31:37  <planetmaker> I meant literally write "$(shell"
18:31:42  <planetmaker> don't replace it by anything
18:32:13  <planetmaker> it will then choose the one which is available. And hope it's more or less universal code :-P
18:32:33  <Ammler> well, devzone uses bash
18:33:03  <LordAro> i mean 'shell' in my makefile is defined as /bin/sh (line 6)
18:33:12  <Ammler> what is the shell of cygwin and msys?
18:34:23  <Yexo> IIRC /bin/sh is symlinked to /bin/bash
18:34:33  <Ammler> Yexo: in both?
18:34:40  <Yexo> in cygwin, not sure about msys
18:35:17  <Ammler> Yexo: did you ever try nmlc.exe with images?
18:35:41  <Yexo> no
18:36:10  <Ammler> I fear, it is not working :'-(
18:36:46  <Ammler> hmm, I could try your nmlc.exe
18:37:51  * Lakie hasn't tried it, I assume its meant to run natively on windows?
18:38:16  <Ammler> yep
18:38:26  <Ammler> without any other python thing installed
18:38:43  <Lakie> Ok, I'll go have a try on my system (does have python on it though).
18:38:59  <Ammler> but no pil and ply?
18:39:05  <Lakie> Has both,
18:39:11  <Lakie> It runs the normal version
18:39:19  <LordAro> Ammler: i'll commit/push changes, could you start a build to test it? or should i just also add a 'build on push' thing to the repo?
18:39:28  <Lakie> I can try it on my xp sp3 machine which has no python?
18:39:51  <Ammler> LordAro: as you last nightnly failed, it will trigger a reubild anyway
18:40:53  <Ammler> Lakie: there it should work too
18:41:17  <LordAro> pushed
18:41:30  <Ammler> patient :-P
18:41:46  <Brot6> AroAI - Revision 20:b2d5ae797e8b: Fix (r19): Adding the '96' didn't work (planetmaker) (LordAro) @
18:42:29  <Brot6> ai-aroai: update from r11 to r20 done -
18:42:36  <LordAro> yay :)
18:43:05  <LordAro> no...
18:43:16  <Ammler> /bin/sh: let: =: syntax error: operand expected (error token is "=")
18:43:39  <Lakie> works fine on my main system.
18:43:48  <Ammler> Lakie: with images?
18:44:13  <Lakie> No, just plain nml, try an image now
18:44:26  <Ammler> yeah, nml only works here too
18:45:43  <Ammler> <-- error I got
18:45:51  <Brot6> AroAI - Bug #2456 (Closed): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @
18:45:51  <Brot6> AroAI - Bug #2456 (Closed): DevZone compile failed (LordAro) @
18:46:27  <Lakie> I think it worked, but I'll have to wait a while before being able to test it on a system with no python at all
18:47:20  <Ammler> Lakie: if you have python already, you could remove python27.dll
18:47:31  <Ammler> then it is half the size
18:47:38  <Lakie> Donig that causes it to fail
18:47:42  <Lakie> I use python 2.6
18:47:52  <Ammler> oh, that could matter :-)
18:47:52  <Lakie> pil didn't exist for 2.7 so meh
18:48:23  <Ammler> so on your system it worked?
18:48:29  <Lakie> Yup
18:48:51  <Ammler> can you grfcodec -d it to check, if there is really a image in there
18:49:23  <Ammler> or can you make a zip of your test case?
18:49:31  <Ammler> so I could run that on my vm
18:49:37  <Lakie> Yup, all images there
18:49:47  <Lakie> Only four, due to it being a simple grf
18:50:58  <Ammler> possible I got the source? :-)
18:51:33  <Lakie> Hmm?
18:51:45  <Ammler> or your test nml with images
18:51:52  <Ammler> of*
18:52:28  <Lakie> It churges out a lot of warnings due to various unimplemented things...
18:52:48  <Lakie> Seems it still doesn't match the latest object specifications
18:54:45  <Lakie> Also worked fine on my XP sp3 which has no python on it at all (inc. images)
18:54:57  <Ammler> Yexo: now I see why windows zips don't need a folder
18:55:12  <Ammler> if you unpack with native windows, it does create that folder
18:55:12  <Lakie> They treat the zip as a folder?
18:55:17  <Ammler> yes
18:55:34  <Ammler> so if oyu have a folder in the archive you have 2 :-)
18:56:16  <Lakie> I assume the .pyd are compiled versions of the libraries included by nmlc?
18:56:48  <Yexo> correct
18:57:08  <Yexo> if you want to see the versions try: nmlc.exe --version
18:57:28  <Ammler> <-- here you see how the devzone builds the windows exe
18:58:17  <Ammler> <-- .wine I made locally :-)
18:58:47  <Lakie> Nice
19:00:48  <Lakie> I presume if one had python, pil and ply, one could just run the exe without all the loose files?
19:01:07  <Lakie> python2.7*
19:01:15  <Yexo> don't think so
19:01:27  <Yexo> but if one had python, pil and ply one could just download the src package with the *.py files in it
19:02:04  <Ammler> yes, the nmlc.exe is for omitting installing python, pil and ply mainly
19:02:47  <LordAro> planetmaker/Ammler: any ideas about the error-ish thing? the error message doesn't seem to make much sense (again) - there is no '=' in tat part of the script...
19:02:58  <Brot6> 32bpp-ez-patches: compile of tip qtip ez.diff qbase still failed (#2446) - qtip ez.diff qbase
19:03:25  <Ammler> I am not able to build 006_vehicle.nml
19:03:57  <Ammler> Yexo: maybe there is another dll needed?
19:04:54  <Ammler> [19:43] <Ammler> /bin/sh: let: =: syntax error: operand expected (error token is "=")
19:05:02  <Ammler> LordAro: ^
19:05:32  <Yexo> LordAro: try removing the spaces around = in that line
19:05:47  <Yexo> so REPO_REVISION  := $(shell let tmp=$$REPO_REVISION + 96; echo tmp)
19:05:54  <Yexo> instead of REPO_REVISION  := $(shell let tmp = $$REPO_REVISION + 96; echo tmp)
19:05:59  <LordAro> thankee Yexo :)
19:06:03  <Yexo> oh, and around the + too
19:06:16  <Brot6> clientpatches: update from r22268 to r22269 done (80820 errors) -
19:06:28  <LordAro> after the ';' as well?
19:06:43  <Ammler> I see only one "=" there
19:06:44  <Yexo> no
19:06:50  <LordAro> thanks
19:06:52  <Yexo> but it should be "echo $tmp" instead of "echo tmp"
19:06:57  <LordAro> commit coming up... :)
19:07:25  <Ammler> does Makefile not support any math?
19:07:38  <LordAro> Ammler: looking through the manual, it seems not
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19:09:01  <Brot6> serverpatches: compile of r22269 still failed (#2448) -
19:09:05  <Ammler> Yexo: If I run --version, I got PIL and PIL
19:09:18  <Yexo> LordAro: all in one line: REPO_REVISION  := $(shell let tmp=$(shell $(HG) id -n | cut -d+ -f1)+96; echo tmp)
19:09:19  <Ammler> PLY*
19:09:31  <Yexo> well, that's good :)
19:09:36  <Yexo> I'll try in my windows vm now
19:09:47  <Ammler> good but it fails :'-(
19:10:12  <Ammler> hmm, do we have png support?
19:10:38  <Ammler> is that included on the windows pil?
19:11:01  <Lakie> I think it might be in the windows pil
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19:12:39  <Ammler> ha
19:12:41  <Ammler> I got it
19:12:47  <Ammler> the problem is with pcx images
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19:13:09  <Ammler> I get a grf for 017_trams
19:13:19  <LordAro> Yexo: can you post that line again, kvirc stopped working and i lost it :(
19:13:28  <Lakie> I only tested it with png sorry.
19:13:48  <LordAro> also, what's the best way to undo a unpushed-commit?
19:13:54  <Ammler> Lakie: yeah, I expected nml has png only :-)
19:14:33  <Ammler> Lakie: can you test the regression test
19:14:38  <Ammler> 007
19:14:47  <Lakie> Um, yeah,
19:15:12  <Ammler> it is in the nml checkout
19:15:13  <Ammler> :-)
19:15:41  <Yexo> LordAro: hg rollback will undo the commit but leave the changes of that commit applied to your working copy
19:15:55  <Yexo> Ammler: I can confirm that it only seems to work with png files, not with pcx files
19:15:56  <Ammler> I wouldn't be suprised fi pcx wouldn't work also with the "normal" nml
19:16:11  <Ammler> (on windows)
19:16:31  <Lakie> town names?
19:16:34  <LordAro> Yexo: i can cope with that. what was the last line of makefile you posted? i lost it :(
19:16:42  <Ammler> Lakie: 007_vehicles
19:16:44  <Ammler> hmm
19:16:55  <Ammler> 006, sorry :-P
19:16:58  <Lakie> Hehe
19:17:41  <Ammler> Yexo: I would say, we declare nmlc.exe to work with png only and keep it :-)
19:17:49  <andythenorth> hi hi
19:17:50  <Ammler> or do you think, we will find a solution?
19:18:08  <LordAro> hi mr thenorth
19:18:22  <Ammler> aren't you andytheeast now?
19:18:25  <Lakie> Fails, "cannot identify image file"
19:18:33  <andythenorth> andythewest now if we're being strict
19:18:51  <Ammler> :-D
19:19:06  <Ammler> Lakie: with nmlc.exe or with the normal or both?
19:19:24  <Lakie> nmlc.exe
19:19:30  <Ammler> normal works?
19:19:33  <LordAro> hmmm... are there logs for this channel?
19:19:39  <Ammler> @logs
19:19:39  <Webster> #openttdcoop IRC webstuff - IRC Log Viewer -
19:19:41  <Lakie> uninstalled python2.6 currenttly to install 2.7...
19:20:31  <Ammler> @services op
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19:20:53  <Yexo> Ammler: nml run in cygwin (so not the compiled version) works fine with both png and pcx files
19:21:55  <Ammler> Yexo: yeah, but nobody ever run regression tests outside of unix environment, I would guess :-P
19:22:46  <LordAro> Ammler: i guess i don't get an automatic build now...?
19:22:50  <Brot6> AroAI - Revision 21:f88b4d910cc1: Fix (r20): Make/bash doesn't like spaces (Yexo) (LordAro) @
19:23:07  <Ammler> LordAro: you wanna one?
19:23:14  <LordAro> please :)
19:23:36  <Lakie> the fact make doesn't work so well out of unix environments might be a valid reason?
19:23:56  <Ammler> Lakie: indeed :-D
19:24:33  <Lakie> Compiles file using the
19:24:37  <Lakie> fine*
19:24:49  <Yexo> thanks for testing Lakie :)
19:25:03  <Ammler> Lakie: 006_vehicle?
19:25:05  * Lakie guesses its something to do with the version being bundled into the exe causing issues?
19:25:07  <Lakie> Aye
19:25:08  <Yexo> Ammler: I don't see a solution and I can't really be bothered to look for one either
19:25:23  <Ammler> Yexo: I agree with keeping it as it is :-)
19:25:26  <Yexo> most likely the PIL for windows installer misses support for pcx or something like that
19:25:32  <Ammler> and announcing it with png support only
19:25:47  <Lakie> Heh, well, png, pcx works if its native
19:25:58  <Brot6> ai-aroai: update from r20 to r21 done -
19:26:01  <Ammler> hmm
19:26:05  <Lakie> Well native being having python, pil and ply installed manually
19:26:44  <Yexo> Ammler: how does the cf find out which files to copy to the source distribution? (especially which files under regression/) ?
19:27:05  <Ammler> Yexo: sdist
19:27:28  <Yexo> but has no reference at all to regression/
19:27:29  <Ammler> regression isn't part of the source bundle, is it?
19:27:34  <Yexo> it is
19:27:44  <Yexo> but beef.wav is missing from it
19:27:48  <Ammler> oh, maybe there is a MA?
19:27:50  <Ammler> file
19:28:05  <Yexo> ah, thanks :)
19:28:05  <Ammler>
19:28:25  <LordAro> Ammler: i believe i see the problem: "echo tmp" should be "echo $tmp" yes?
19:28:25  * Ammler forwards that to pm
19:28:37  <Yexo> LordAro: yes
19:28:37  <Ammler> LordAro: yexo said
19:28:57  <Ammler> ^ :-)
19:29:01  <LordAro> lol
19:29:52  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1299:a4b83d8fed44: Fix: beef.wav was not part of source packages,... (yexo) @
19:31:24  <Brot6> AroAI - Revision 22:6fad2cdc06c4: Fix (r21): Missing '$' (LordAro) @
19:32:47  <Brot6> ai-aroai: update from r21 to r22 done -
19:33:17  <Ammler> LordAro: ^ better?
19:34:10  <LordAro> err, minus a 't'...  now to get rid of the 'm' and 'p', then put the actual number in place... :L
19:35:04  <LordAro> should it be '$$tmp' i wonder?
19:35:18  <Ammler> might be
19:35:37  * Ammler has no clue with make
19:36:02  <LordAro> or in quotes? 'echo "$tmp"' ?
19:36:15  <Yexo> no to the latter
19:36:25  <Yexo> $$tmp is possible correct, not sure
19:36:33  <Yexo> maybe $(tmp) ?
19:37:04  <Ammler> well, you write tmp in the shell
19:37:40  <Ammler> to use the shell var, you need to escape afaik, so I would try $$
19:38:24  <Ammler> LordAro: needs a bash console :-)
19:38:34  <LordAro> i know... :(
19:38:44  <Ammler> does java work on your pc?
19:38:55  <LordAro> i presume so...
19:39:23  <Yexo> what is the problem with installing either mingw or cygwin anyway?
19:39:38  <Ammler> he is no admin
19:39:45  <LordAro> ^
19:39:59  <Yexo> why are you working on a pc where you are no admin?
19:40:05  <Ammler> :-)
19:40:57  <LordAro> because parents are mean
19:41:11  <LordAro> anyway, dinner
19:41:37  <LordAro> if anyone could be nice enough to test with $$tmp, that'd be lovely :)
19:41:39  <Yexo> you could try mingw portable edition
19:42:12  <Lakie> Didn't know there was a portable edition...
19:42:58  <Yexo> not official, and I don't know if it actually works, but it's worth a try
19:42:59  <Webster> Title: MinGW Portable Development Test 6a (formerly MSYS Portable) | - Portable software for USB, portable and cloud drives (at
19:46:57  <Ammler> or a Linux LiveCD :-)
19:48:50  <Lakie> Heh,
19:48:59  <Lakie> For now I just use a linux vm. :x
19:49:36  <Lakie> I was tempted to get things like make, cat and such in their windows forms and then configure the gcc stuff to vc++ but it seemed like too much work
19:51:14  <Ammler> I am not sure, if no admin rights for childs is right way to monitor them
19:51:36  <Ammler> specially if someone has ability to code and such...
19:51:41  <Lakie> Well, no
19:52:55  <Ammler> the dangerous part is internet and that is not linked with admin permission
19:53:32  <Yexo> it's prevents the ability to click "ok, install this adware"
19:54:05  <Ammler> ah indeed
20:02:52  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Feature Request #2351 (Closed): building of win32 executable for nml (Ammler) @
20:07:50  <LordAro> Ammler/Lakie: i agree, but 'the admin' (dad) is constantly taking my password away for 'overuse' of the computers :( i stringently deny this claim. constantly.
20:08:13  <LordAro> also, i do have the portable mingw, but it doesn't seem to include make
20:08:32  <LordAro> gcc and g++ are included though, does make come with msys?
20:15:08  <Lakie> I think make is part of msys yes
20:15:22  <Lakie> Its possible to download a win32 binary of make also
20:17:10  <LordAro> link? :p
20:17:37  <Lakie> Not at hand
20:17:58  <LordAro> hmm, looking at Yex o's link, it seems to have been updated since i last looked, i'll redownload and see if that works
20:18:07  <Lakie> hehe
20:20:39  <Lakie> I always had issues with mingw and msys, so as I said I ended up using a vm...
20:22:29  <LordAro> well that's even further out of the question... :)
20:25:12  <Lakie> Heh
20:25:16  <Lakie> Hope it works for you
20:54:57  <V453000> DJNekkid: is it some problem on my side or is 2cc set incompatible with nutracks?
20:57:53  * andythenorth wonders what classes for recyclables
20:57:57  <andythenorth> piece covered
20:59:30  <Ammler> V453000: maybe depends on order?
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21:07:49  <LordAro> YES.
21:08:01  <Lakie> It works?
21:08:28  <LordAro> well, after downloading win32 binaries of make, mercurial and bash
21:08:30  <LordAro> :D
21:08:39  <Lakie> Hehe, cool
21:11:12  <LordAro> now to see if i can get my makefile to behave
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21:12:22  <V453000> Ammler: no, breaks both ways
21:12:51  <Ammler> no idea then...
21:13:41  <V453000> the newgrfs load, only some engines are magically erased ... some ... 90% of them
21:14:29  <Brot6> AroAI - Revision 23:22fd820d86a8: Fix (r22): YAM$ (Yet Another Missing $) (LordAro) @
21:14:53  * LordAro is happy now
21:20:21  * LordAro goes to bed happy. night all! :)
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21:26:25  <Brot6> AroAI - Patch #2132 (Closed): DevZone Compile Farm (LordAro) @
21:36:27  <planetmaker> Yexo: sdist takes a file list somehow with file extensions. I didn't include *.wav when I generated that
21:36:54  <planetmaker> good evening also
21:39:01  <Yexo> thanks, it's already solved now
21:39:23  <Yexo> planetmaker: there is a problem with the costs of trains in opengfx+trains
21:39:31  <planetmaker> ok :-)
21:39:36  <planetmaker> they're too cheap, I guess?
21:39:38  <Yexo> I confirmed the problem, but didn't test yet whether it's a problem of openttd or the grf
21:39:40  <Yexo> yes
21:39:44  <Yexo> like 8 dollars for a wagon
21:39:50  <Yexo> see forum :)
21:39:57  <V453000> too expensive :(
21:39:58  <V453000> :p
21:40:03  <planetmaker> I need to check that. I'm not aware that I changed costs between versions, though... strange
21:40:29  <Yexo> exactly, I couldn't find anything in the hg changelog either
21:41:25  <planetmaker> hm... did OpenTTD's or nml's handling of parameters (defaults) change?
21:41:29  <planetmaker> that might explain it
21:41:45  <Yexo> can't remember any changes to either of those
21:41:54  * planetmaker neither
21:42:03  <Yexo> though a bug in nml is most likely in that case
21:42:58  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1879:3b54ecaae114: Feature: add Reyclables cargo (andythenorth) @
21:42:58  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1880:cb089e24e29e: Change: include Recycling Plant (andythenorth) @
21:42:58  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1881:b56054bf4433: Change: accept Recyclables at Recycli... (andythenorth) @
21:45:00  <planetmaker> hm... setting the engine cost parameters has no effect anymore :S
21:45:55  <andythenorth> good night
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22:26:06  <planetmaker> hm, I don't find that now. And I should sleep. So good night everyone
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23:51:39  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1300:c2d6f7b5de6e: Fix r641: non-constant values in basecost tabl... (yexo) @
23:52:34  <Yexo> I'm not 100% sure if it really was broken since r641, but it sure looks that way
23:53:14  <Yexo> that would mean that nobody tested setting the basecost table to the value of a parameter for about 7 months

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