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00:37:22 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 00:58:05 <Brot6> Unable to connect to http://dev.openttdcoop.org/sys/: execution expired 04:34:23 <Brot6> Bundles Update: g5d3e26eb 2011-05-02 cargodist (http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/cargodist) 05:36:46 *** Sacro has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 05:45:03 *** Sacro has quit IRC 05:57:58 *** supermop has quit IRC 06:03:13 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 06:18:54 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 06:43:55 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 07:34:31 <planetmaker> meh. In order to merge opengfx and, say, opengfx+ landscape, an automatic conversion of nml win -> dos would be good 07:38:50 <planetmaker> no point to proceed without... 08:54:04 *** Sacro has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 09:04:18 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 09:08:53 *** Sacro_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 09:13:09 *** Sacro has quit IRC 09:52:46 *** andythenorth has left #openttdcoop.devzone 10:44:07 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:59:50 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:14:12 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Revision 658:96612ca2a1c8: Codechange: Move a lot of industry sprites into their respec... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/96612ca2a1c8 13:38:50 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 13:39:52 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 13:43:34 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 13:44:35 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 13:51:07 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 13:51:33 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 14:46:59 *** Lakie has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 14:57:12 *** Sacro_ has quit IRC 14:57:23 *** Sacro has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:50:55 *** frosch123 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:18:57 *** Doorslammer has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:34:05 <Ammler> planetmaker: grf is the only valid part here: $(_V)-rm -rf *.orig *.pre *.bak *.grf *~ 16:34:23 <Ammler> looks quite old :-) 16:35:04 <Ammler> in opengfx clean 17:00:06 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 17:16:00 <Terkhen> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/173/ <--- this error message is only displayed when using FATAL, but I want an error message that does not disable the NewGRF 17:16:07 <Terkhen> what am I doing wrong? 17:18:20 *** Doorslammer has quit IRC 17:18:37 <Brot6> fish: update from r617 to r618 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/fish/nightlies/r618 17:19:45 <Brot6> opengfx: update from r657 to r658 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/opengfx/nightlies/r658 17:19:52 <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: 2cctrainset (r750), 32bpp-extra (r40), ai-admiralai (r75), ai-aroai (r33), ailib-common (r21), ailib-direction (r17), ailib-list (r32), ailib-string (r29), ailib-tile (r16), airportsplus (r73), basecosts (r25), belarusiantowns (r8), bros (r52), chips (r138), comic-houses (r71), firs (r1989), frenchtowns (r6), german-townnames (r33), grfcodec (r828), grfpack (r279), heqs (r605), 17:19:52 <Brot6> indonesiantowns (r41), manindu (r7), metrotrackset (r56), narvs (r37), newgrf_makefile (r285), nml (r1323), nutracks (r186), ogfx-industries (r53), ogfx-landscape (r62), ogfx-rv (r80), ogfx-trains (r239), ogfx-trees (r42), openmsx (r97), opensfx (r97), smts (r19), snowlinemod (r49), spanishtowns (r10), swedishrails (r202), swisstowns (r22), transrapidtrackset (r15), ttdviewer (r31), ttrs (r36), worldairlinersset (r671) 17:20:35 <Ammler> Terkhen: NOTICE? 17:21:24 <Ammler> NOTICE, WARNING, ERROR, FATAL 17:22:40 <Ammler> I would guess, ERROR would work too 17:23:10 <Terkhen> ERROR is what I tried, let's see what happens with NOTICE 17:24:08 <Ammler> then I wonder what's the difference between ERROR and FATAL 17:24:59 <Terkhen> only FATAL displays a message, and it disables the newgrf too 17:25:30 <Ammler> nfo spec: 02 Error "Error: " continue loading grf file 17:25:51 <Terkhen> heh 17:25:58 <Terkhen> I was expecting something more visible 17:26:05 <Ammler> oh, 17:26:24 <Ammler> you meant something like a red box? 17:27:04 <Terkhen> yes, but after checking the newgrf specs it seems that it is not possible to do that without disabling the newgrf 17:27:34 <Terkhen> this will have to do, thanks :) 17:31:59 *** Sacro has quit IRC 18:05:44 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:12:19 <planetmaker> ERROR should not be fatal. And it should be displayed. If not, it's rather an OpenTTD bug, Terkhen 18:12:39 <planetmaker> FATAL of course terminates the grf 18:12:42 <Terkhen> it is displayed, but only at the NewGRF window when selecting the newgrf 18:12:57 <Terkhen> I was expecting more obvious feedback 18:13:07 <planetmaker> err... not there. That message can only ever trigger when the map is initialized 18:13:28 <planetmaker> every such message can never trigger in the newgrf config window 18:13:35 <planetmaker> error and fatal will be shown in the red window 18:13:47 <planetmaker> warning and notice only in the newgrf config window when accessed from ingame 18:13:59 <planetmaker> that's at least the idea. but last time I checked it worked that way 18:14:17 <Ammler> why do you want to trigger a error but not fatal? 18:14:36 <Terkhen> hmm... sorry, with selecting the newgrf I meant that when you select the newgrf ingame the text of the error is displayed in the newgrf window 18:15:20 <Terkhen> Ammler: because if you select more than 4 cargos for the factory opengfx+ industries automatically changes them to be accepted by other industries 18:15:50 <planetmaker> hm, it only shows it in the newgrf window when ERROR is used? 18:15:52 <Terkhen> I want a warning to tell the user why the factory is not accepting all of the accepted cargos 18:16:02 <Terkhen> planetmaker: it shows with anything else besides FATAL 18:16:05 <Terkhen> right now I'm using warning 18:16:16 <Terkhen> there is only a case where it is really an error 18:16:20 <planetmaker> IMHO it's an OpenTTD bug, if ERROR does not give the red error box 18:16:34 <Terkhen> planetmaker: check the newgrf specs, it is expected 18:16:36 <Terkhen> it surprised me too 18:16:43 <planetmaker> WARNING and NOTICE should not trigger it. Whoot? Really? 18:16:44 <planetmaker> hm 18:16:58 <planetmaker> sorry, then I mis-remembered 18:17:12 <Terkhen> NOTICE, WARNING and ERROR only change the prefix of the error message 18:17:57 <planetmaker> IMHO we sh/could change that without detriment, Terkhen 18:18:04 <planetmaker> and IMHO it also makes sense 18:18:18 <planetmaker> as the error will pass unnoticed mostly, if no good feedback is given 18:18:33 <Terkhen> severity is a byte, we could easily add new severities 18:19:45 <planetmaker> not sure IMHO if needed. What we only change is the way we give user feedback 18:19:56 <planetmaker> as is now, warning and error basically are the same 18:20:26 <Terkhen> neither warning or error are useful at all; you could do the same with notice and prefixing the error string with the right word 18:21:02 <Terkhen> it should have three types of messages: show in the newgrf window with /!\, show popup ingame without disabling, show popup ingame and disable 18:21:23 <Terkhen> but we can't change the meaning of the existing severities for compatibility 18:21:43 <Ammler> it is just gui change 18:22:26 <Terkhen> yes, but many newgrfs will rely on the existing severities 18:22:54 <Terkhen> IMO it would be best to add a new one for "show popup without disable" 18:23:18 <Terkhen> then, with NOTICE, FATAL and the new one you can show every type of message I described earlier 18:23:50 <Terkhen> nml could ignore the old ERROR and WARNING if preferred 18:25:18 <Terkhen> planetmaker: http://devs.openttd.org/~terkhen/patches/index.php?folder=ogfxplus/ <--- in the cases I tested these two chains work as expected :) 18:26:42 <Terkhen> since the wood chain is missing, right now there is a case that triggers an error (in tropic with steel, rubber, copper ore and wood) 18:27:11 <Rubidium> v8? 18:28:04 <Terkhen> once the wood chain is done, another industry would accept wood instead 18:42:19 <Terkhen> hmm... it is missing probabilities for the food processing plant in temperate, I'll fix that locally 18:53:18 <planetmaker> looks fine to me from the reading of the patches, Terkhen 18:53:35 <Terkhen> ok :) 18:53:44 <Terkhen> the probabilities of the food processing plant and farms are... strange 18:53:58 <Terkhen> in tropic: food processing plant has 8,2 , farm has 2,1 18:54:30 <planetmaker> I might test when I'm home (soonish, but we're manufacturing a PhD hat right now), but go ahead, if you like, I don't expect problems ;-) 18:54:31 <Terkhen> in subarctic: food procesing plant has 5,2, farm has 9,4 18:54:40 <Terkhen> ok :) 18:55:29 <planetmaker> It'll need ground aware farm tiles now that I changed the OpenGFX farms .-P 18:55:54 <planetmaker> and... I like the idea of sub repositories... all OpenGFX repos sharing on gfx dir 18:56:13 <planetmaker> IFF nml auto-converts windows -> dos palette ;-) 18:56:15 <Terkhen> I'm going to use the subarctic probabilities for all food processing plants (the tropic probabilities make little sense) but I'm not so sure about the farms 18:56:24 <planetmaker> yeah, that's fine 18:57:18 <Terkhen> I suppose farms have those probabilities on tropic because it is supposed to be harder 18:57:33 <Terkhen> and also because you have an alternative source of food 18:58:51 <Terkhen> I'm thinking on just using 8,3 :P 19:37:30 <planetmaker> Hm... dunno which is sensible ;-) 19:43:11 <Terkhen> I don't know either :/ 19:47:18 <planetmaker> go with mean values for now but leave a note in the source about the default values? 19:49:59 <Terkhen> or a new issue on the tracker about this 19:50:05 <Terkhen> and another one for conflicting industries :) 19:51:14 <planetmaker> well, yes, if you like :-) 20:43:07 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 20:56:46 <planetmaker> probably it's good to keep task around at hand ;-) 20:56:50 <planetmaker> for now good night 20:57:26 <Terkhen> good night planetmaker 21:11:18 *** andythenorth_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:11:19 *** andythenorth_ has quit IRC 21:16:53 *** Webster has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:17:33 *** Brot6 has quit IRC 21:17:48 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 21:18:18 *** Brot6 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:20:23 *** Guest3955 has quit IRC 21:21:24 *** ODM has quit IRC