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00:26:05 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 02:28:19 *** Lakie has quit IRC 04:09:27 *** orudge` has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 04:11:26 *** orudge has quit IRC 05:36:18 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 05:38:44 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 05:41:08 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 05:46:14 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 05:55:01 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 06:19:22 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 06:45:17 *** orudge` is now known as orudge 09:30:48 *** ODM has quit IRC 10:17:18 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:06:00 <Ammler> ah the missing seperator is just a warning, no error, that is why test didn't fail 11:07:44 <Brot6> Example NewGRF Project - Revision 292:5e10923efddc: Change: check a bit more verbose (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/newgrf-makefile/repository/revisions/5e10923efddc 11:08:06 <Brot6> newgrf_makefile: compile of r292 still failed (#2656) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/newgrf_makefile/nightlies/ERROR/r292 11:08:52 <Ammler> oh, it failed? 11:09:34 <Ammler> ah, I missed that then :-) 11:13:40 <Brot6> Example NewGRF Project - Revision 293:3c8e126c6119: Change: bundle building more verbose (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/newgrf-makefile/repository/revisions/3c8e126c6119 11:13:53 <Brot6> newgrf_makefile: compile of r293 still failed (#2656) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/newgrf_makefile/nightlies/ERROR/r293 11:18:07 <Ammler> hmm, comparing isn't possible with current grfs, they have version in the title 13:40:08 *** Lakie has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:02:59 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:40:54 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Patch #2651: buildout for nml (Terkhen) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2651#change-6757 17:18:26 <Brot6> nutracks: update from r197 to r198 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/nutracks/nightlies/r198 17:18:35 <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: 2cctrainset (r750), 32bpp-extra (r40), ai-admiralai (r75), ai-aroai (r39), ailib-common (r21), ailib-direction (r17), ailib-list (r32), ailib-string (r29), ailib-tile (r16), airportsplus (r81), basecosts (r25), belarusiantowns (r8), bros (r52), chips (r141), comic-houses (r71), firs (r1994), fish (r648), frenchtowns (r6), german-townnames (r34), grfcodec (r829), grfpack (r279), heqs 17:18:35 <Brot6> (r605), indonesiantowns (r41), manindu (r7), metrotrackset (r56), narvs (r37), newgrf_makefile (ERROR r293), nml (r1355), ogfx-industries (r107), ogfx-landscape (r68), ogfx-rv (r107), ogfx-rv.clone (r103), ogfx-trains (r241), ogfx-trees (r48), opengfx (r673), openmsx (r97), opensfx (r97), smts (r19), snowlinemod (r49), spanishtowns (r10), sub-landscape (ERROR r66), sub-opengfx (ERROR r666), swedishrails (r202), swisstowns (r22), 17:18:37 <Brot6> transrapidtrackset (r15), ttdviewer (r34), ttrs (r36), worldairlinersset (r671) 17:19:08 <Brot6> newgrf_makefile: compile of r293 still failed (#2656) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/newgrf_makefile/nightlies/ERROR/r293 17:19:40 <Brot6> sub-landscape: compile of r66 still failed (#2616) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/sub-landscape/nightlies/ERROR/r66 17:20:30 <Brot6> sub-opengfx: compile of r666 still failed (#2586) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/sub-opengfx/nightlies/ERROR/r666 17:50:16 *** frosch123 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:53:15 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:58:43 <Terkhen> hi andythenorth 17:58:53 <andythenorth> hello 17:58:54 <Terkhen> the kilimanjaro can carry sugar beet, is that intended? 17:59:36 <andythenorth> gah 17:59:41 * andythenorth wants to run away :) 17:59:57 <andythenorth> may I sign you up to my 'cargo classes are broken' newsletter? 18:01:08 <Terkhen> :D 18:07:58 <Terkhen> andythenorth: should I open a bug report? 18:08:09 <andythenorth> the bug is with FIRS 18:08:17 <andythenorth> and with the cargo classes spec 18:08:28 <andythenorth> the other mining trucks can probably carry sugar beet too? 18:10:17 <Terkhen> let me check 18:11:08 <Terkhen> andythenorth: yes, they can 18:11:19 <andythenorth> the bug is with the spec for cargo classes 18:11:23 <andythenorth> it's broken 18:11:51 <andythenorth> although you could probably prove me wrong in this case if you wanted to argue :P 18:12:25 <andythenorth> I think this is an edge case due to FIRS having non-standard handling of sugar cargo 18:12:30 <andythenorth> which is probably a bad design 18:12:33 <andythenorth> brb 18:21:20 <Terkhen> why are the specs broken? 18:45:19 <andythenorth> Terkhen: inadequate wrt bulk cargo 18:45:20 <andythenorth> there's a thread about it 18:45:56 <andythenorth> although in the case of sugar beet / sugar cane, FIRS handles this in a stupid way (for well-intentioned reasons) 18:49:25 <andythenorth> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=53654 18:49:26 <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums View topic - Proposal - Cargo Class refinement (at www.tt-forums.net) 19:06:02 <Terkhen> looks like it would break existing newgrfs 19:10:22 <andythenorth> to some extent 19:10:32 <andythenorth> possibly 19:22:59 <andythenorth> Terkhen: any chance you could test the nml buildout on windows? 19:23:12 <Terkhen> andythenorth: I already did, check the task :) 19:23:23 <andythenorth> oops 19:23:50 <andythenorth> so the buildout *does* help the windows situation? 19:24:05 <andythenorth> did you already have PIL and PLY on your windows system 19:24:07 <Terkhen> it installed without problems, but I did not test the existing nmlc.exe for iwnodws 19:24:14 <Terkhen> no, I did a fresh installation of everything 19:24:23 <andythenorth> ok cool :) 19:25:04 <andythenorth> Yexo: did you have time to try the buildout? :) 19:33:27 <Yexo> sorry, I completely forgot 19:33:45 <andythenorth> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2651 19:33:51 <andythenorth> I claim no credit for it 19:33:55 <andythenorth> someone else wrote it 19:33:56 <Yexo> will take a look at it now 19:34:02 <andythenorth> I do understand the basics 19:34:24 <andythenorth> I'm not sure it's finished yet though 19:35:15 <andythenorth> Terkhen: is there any way to tell if you compiled with the nmlc created by buildout in /bin... 19:35:16 <andythenorth> ... or the one that seems to ship by default in / ? 19:35:23 <Yexo> when this patch is applied, the user would normally only run ./bin/buildout, correct? 19:35:33 <andythenorth> bootstrap.py needs to be run once 19:35:36 <Yexo> bootstrap.py would only ever be run by the package writer? 19:35:43 <Yexo> ah, only once even 19:35:50 <Yexo> so would bootstrap.py be part of the repo or not? 19:36:00 <andythenorth> yes, it would ship in the repo 19:36:13 <andythenorth> it fetches setuptools and zc.buildout iirc 19:36:36 <andythenorth> then updates to nml or the deps can be made by running ./bin/buildout 19:36:56 <andythenorth> it's more interesting if we can figure out how to package this for newgrf projects 19:37:36 <andythenorth> then the buildout for a newgrf could fetch all the deps 19:46:57 <Yexo> andythenorth: so bin/buildout should not be part of the repo? 19:47:33 <andythenorth> yes it should 19:47:35 <andythenorth> :) 19:47:43 <andythenorth> I think 19:47:44 <andythenorth> I'm not sure 19:47:50 <andythenorth> buildout is easy but hard :( 19:48:12 <andythenorth> one of the tutorials describes it as a cargo cult - nothing is well documented :( 19:48:20 <Yexo> after running bootstrap.ppy bin/buildout contains one line with "/home/yexo/openttd/nml/parts/buildout", that doesn't look like it should be in the repo 19:48:50 * andythenorth looks 19:48:59 <andythenorth> hmm 19:49:17 <andythenorth> judging by the other buildout projects I have, bin/buildout doesn't need to be part of the repo 19:49:21 <andythenorth> bootstrap.py should create it 19:49:40 <Yexo> so if you download a project that uses buildout and want to install it, what do you do? 19:49:57 <Yexo> just "python bootstrap.py"; "bin/buildout" ? 19:50:04 <andythenorth> yes 19:50:26 <andythenorth> and - if like me - you have multiple crazy python versions, you can choose which you need 19:50:39 <andythenorth> so nml is on 2.6 for me 19:50:47 <andythenorth> but my system default is 2.4 for legacy reasons 19:51:44 <andythenorth> Yexo: does it all make sense? Mostly I am consumer of buildout, not a creator 19:51:54 <andythenorth> I got help with this :) 19:51:59 <Yexo> it looks fine to me 19:52:08 <Yexo> bootstrap.py is a default file, no changes expected there 19:53:02 <Yexo> apparently it makes it a lot easier for you on osx, and it definitely makes it easier on msys 19:53:32 <andythenorth> did you try the version that runs the tests? 19:55:11 <Yexo> yes, but that doesn't seem to work 19:55:34 <andythenorth> oh :o 19:56:17 <Yexo> nvm, an error on my part 19:56:41 <andythenorth> :) 19:56:54 <andythenorth> I'm not sure if running tests by default is wise 19:56:56 <andythenorth> might be 19:56:59 <andythenorth> but makes it slower 19:57:06 <Yexo> it's only when updating 19:57:11 <andythenorth> true 19:57:17 <Yexo> shouldn't happen that often, so I'm going with that for now 19:57:29 <andythenorth> there are also various test running suites, but I don't know if they're needed here 19:57:58 <andythenorth> plone.recipe.command can stop on error, if needed 19:58:03 <andythenorth> it's documented on pypi 19:58:26 <Yexo> the diff is missing the zpl license, so I'm adding that one now 19:59:05 <andythenorth> oops 20:03:57 <Terkhen> andythenorth: I added ./bin/nml to the path, also, "which nml" returns the right path 20:04:20 <andythenorth> could adding to the path be done automatically? 20:04:33 <Yexo> perhaps, but imo that is not wanted 20:05:19 <andythenorth> ok 20:06:57 <Yexo> thanks andythenorth :) 20:07:18 <Yexo> ....waiting for Brot6 20:07:20 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1356:e1d65387e75b: Add #2651: buildout script to make installatio... (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/e1d65387e75b 20:07:55 <andythenorth> needs a credit to Richard Barrell :) 20:08:16 <Yexo> why didn't you add that to the diff? :p 20:08:19 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Patch #2651 (Closed): buildout for nml (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2651 20:08:19 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Patch #2651 (Closed): buildout for nml (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2651#change-6758 20:08:27 <andythenorth> my bad 20:08:37 <Yexo> does he want credit in the file itself? 20:08:47 <andythenorth> just somewhere 20:08:49 <Yexo> or is mentioning in a readme.txt (as soon as we write one) enough 20:08:52 <andythenorth> fine 20:08:56 <andythenorth> I offered, he didn't ask 20:08:59 <andythenorth> he did it for fun 20:09:38 <andythenorth> buildout is awesome, but can go wrong 20:09:43 * andythenorth crosses fingers 20:09:59 <andythenorth> typically it fails due to upstream problems 20:10:12 <andythenorth> but we are only using packages from pypi 20:10:15 <andythenorth> so should be ok 20:10:18 <Yexo> you can tell him he's now listed in the bug tracker for being included in readme.txt as soon as it's written 20:10:23 <andythenorth> :) 20:10:23 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Bug #2657 (New): write readme.txt (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2657 20:10:52 * andythenorth is learning pyramid 20:10:59 <andythenorth> for which we just wrote a buildout 20:31:25 <Brot6> Nutracks - Revision 199:502d3262db7c: some tweaks to level crossings and very high speed tracks (oberhuemer) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nutracks/repository/revisions/502d3262db7c 20:32:24 <Brot6> nutracks: update from r198 to r199 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/nutracks/push/r199 20:32:25 * planetmaker wonders where DJN disappeared to 20:32:46 * planetmaker is also happy that at least nutracks obviously found a new coder :-) 20:34:36 <Terkhen> yes, he dissapeared just after saying that he would code availability parameters for 2cc :( 20:38:30 <planetmaker> well, maybe he does. Just on his own w/o being here 20:39:30 <Brot6> Nutracks - Revision 200:c8bf1b11e94d: tag (oberhuemer) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nutracks/repository/revisions/c8bf1b11e94d 20:39:30 <Brot6> Nutracks - Revision 201:276681618aee: Added tag 1.1.1 for changeset c8bf1b11e94d (oberhuemer) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nutracks/repository/revisions/276681618aee 20:39:37 <planetmaker> :-) 20:39:39 <Terkhen> :) 20:39:51 <planetmaker> he's just missing on IRC ;-) 20:40:06 <Terkhen> I would love to enable only 2cc metro trains... I even tried to look at the nfo code :O 20:40:22 <Brot6> nutracks: update from 1.1.0 to 1.1.1 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/nutracks/releases/1.1.1 20:40:41 <planetmaker> Terkhen: there's on bananas afaik a separate metro trains from 2ccTS 20:40:45 <planetmaker> Someone extracted them 20:40:55 <planetmaker> But it's not the latest versions... 20:40:58 <Terkhen> yes :( 20:41:42 <Brot6> Nutracks - Feature #2404 (Closed): Support for ngrails.grf (oberhuemer) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2404#change-6759 20:43:10 <Brot6> Nutracks - Feature #2658 (Assigned): Finescale and narrow gauge tracks (oberhuemer) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2658 21:14:58 <Brot6> CHIPS Station Set - Feature #2659 (New): Mineral loader structure tile (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2659 21:14:58 <Brot6> CHIPS Station Set - Feature #2660 (New): Liquid cargo facility structure tile (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2660 21:19:10 <Brot6> CHIPS Station Set - Feature #2660 (New): Liquid cargo facility structure tile (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2660 21:20:42 *** andythenorth has left #openttdcoop.devzone 21:48:15 *** ODM has quit IRC 21:55:06 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 22:00:12 <planetmaker> hm... Ammler would it not be an idea to provide a source bundle for the releases of newgrfs? 22:00:59 <planetmaker> hm... or rather: why is that not the case for chips? 23:49:59 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC