Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 4th June 2011:
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04:51:07  <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Industries - Bug #2700 (Closed): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @
04:51:07  <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Industries - Bug #2700 (Closed): DevZone compile failed (Terkhen) @
04:54:16  <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Industries - Code Review #2685: english.lng remarks (Terkhen) @
05:42:10  <planetmaker> Terkhen: weren't all instances of #2685 fixed yesterday?
05:42:10  <Brot6> planetmaker: Terkhen: #2685 is "OpenGFX+ Industries - Code Review #2685: english.lng remarks - #openttdcoop Development Zone"
05:42:40  <Terkhen> yes, but I left it open in case Alberth wants to comment something about the new english.lng
05:42:44  <Terkhen> and good morning :)
05:43:20  <planetmaker> ah, you could have set the status to "feedback" ;-)
05:43:48  <planetmaker> that's what I do in cases where I consider it solved but want *someone* to be able to still comment with the option to disagree with me
05:44:04  <planetmaker> (and when I commited my solution already)
05:44:15  <Terkhen> good idea, I wasn't aware of that status :)
05:44:38  <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Industries - Code Review #2685 (Feedback): english.lng remarks (Terkhen) @
05:44:47  <planetmaker> not that it matters much really, but yes :-)
05:45:52  <Terkhen> there are many bugfixes and only a new feature, and given that it prevents having many town industries in small towns I'm inclined to call this 0.3.4
05:46:42  <Terkhen> it is a feature in the sense that it adds something that wasn't there before, but it is really a fix :P
05:50:17  <planetmaker> yes, very fine with me
05:51:38  <Terkhen> ok :)
05:51:53  <Terkhen> later I'll check the spanish translation, commit the dutch translation and release
05:52:25  <Terkhen> are you sure you don't want to check the german translation? this could wait until you have time
05:53:56  <planetmaker> that most probably will mean it's not done by tomorrow
05:55:26  <planetmaker> I even fear I might not have as much time tomorrow as I hoped I would
05:55:54  <planetmaker> :-(
05:58:44  <Terkhen> don't worry, rl always gets in the way :P
05:59:01  <Terkhen> then there is no reason to hurry this; I'll leave everything ready except the tagging until you have time for updating the translation :)
06:03:31  <planetmaker> hm, I guess I can take the time now during breakfast
06:03:49  <planetmaker> the English is now up to date, right?
06:07:51  <Terkhen> yes, but as I said there is no need to hurry :P
06:10:03  <planetmaker> Hm, most parts already are like the English translation is now it seems ;-)
06:12:07  <Terkhen> yes, my guess is that we already filtered the most strange stuff while translating
06:12:21  <Terkhen> I do have "Valuables chain" in spanish, though
06:13:00  <planetmaker> that's the most 'serious' change I did. valuables -> banks
06:15:47  <Terkhen> oh, also the placement restriction parameters where changed from "what was the default situation" to "what does this parameter change"
06:20:00  <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Industries - Revision 113:86907cc2ff27: Change: Update German translation (planetmaker) @
06:20:05  <planetmaker> deed done ;-)
06:20:07  <Terkhen> thanks :)
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06:21:46  <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Industries - Bug #2701 (New): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @
06:22:10  <planetmaker> why does it fail?
06:22:37  <Terkhen> nml bug
06:22:43  <planetmaker> right, I see
06:22:46  <Terkhen> but IIRC it was fixed already
06:22:47  <andythenorth> mornings
06:22:52  <planetmaker> I recall reading 'fixed'. yes
06:22:54  <Terkhen> good morning andythenorth
06:22:57  <planetmaker> hi andythenorth
06:23:10  <Terkhen> yes, yx commented on the first devzone compile failed bug
06:23:27  <Terkhen> I suppose that nml still has not been rebuilt
06:23:38  <Terkhen> but yesterday it built fine on my computer
06:41:53  <planetmaker> Maybe Ammler can re-trigger NML before that for a release ;-) - I currently don't recall that command...
06:41:59  <planetmaker> have a good day :-)
06:42:40  <Terkhen> planetmaker: enjoy
07:06:20  <andythenorth> Terkhen: would you like a diversion into bananas?
07:07:11  <Terkhen> depends on the kind of diversion; mind that I have never coded anything web based except toy examples :P
07:12:59  <Terkhen> are you thinking on a complete rewrite?
07:17:02  <andythenorth> Terkhen: yes, but by looking at  the existing code a lot
07:17:14  <andythenorth> not from a blank slate
07:17:29  <andythenorth> possibly even reusing some of the code
07:17:37  <Terkhen> I followed your conversation with TB, but it's still not clear to me why it needs a rewrite
07:17:41  <andythenorth> me neither
07:18:18  <andythenorth> but I have to learn pyramid anyway, and this is more interesting than following the tutorial
07:18:35  <andythenorth> and TB is quite definite about it
07:24:49  <Terkhen> what is pyramid?
07:25:22  <Terkhen> shouldn't it be coded in something widely used so it can be supported more easily?
07:27:38  <andythenorth> well I suggested that, but truebrain ruled it out :)
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07:43:46  <Rubidium> andythenorth: setting up django is *so* bad that the only way for me to do any kind of debugging is enabling debugging on the *live* site and restarting that
07:44:12  <andythenorth> out of interest, what's so bad about it?
07:44:51  <Rubidium> IMO the undebugability
07:45:13  <andythenorth> you can't run it in foreground and watch the errors?
07:45:17  <andythenorth> (if that makes sense)
07:45:48  <Rubidium> I can run it as a separate thing, but... then for some reason authentication fails horridly
07:46:13  <Rubidium> so I can never get to the state I am actually logged into the bananas that is running in debug mode
07:48:40  <andythenorth> oh
07:49:01  <andythenorth> for a sane python framework this is how it ought to work:
07:52:05  <andythenorth> I'll go read how pyramid handles debugging
07:52:25  <andythenorth> I am only familiar with that in zope, which is excessively good at it
07:55:31  <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Industries - Revision 114:f1da8d8a4ca4: Change: Update Spanish translation. (Terkhen) @
07:55:31  <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Industries - Revision 115:22b8fb54dd89: Add #2686: Dutch translation (Alberth) (Terkhen) @
07:55:41  <Brot6> ogfx-industries: compile of r115 still failed (#2701) -
07:57:07  <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Industries - Patch #2686 (Closed): dutch.lng addition (Terkhen) @
08:03:58  <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Industries - Revision 116:f87a01e512e3: Doc: Update changelog. (Terkhen) @
08:04:45  <Brot6> ogfx-industries: compile of r116 still failed (#2701) -
08:45:21  <Brot6> GRFCodec - Revision 830:3f4c1e563aaa: Fix #2339 -ish: Disable warning 209 when checking action 0 ... (frosch) @
10:15:17  <frosch123> plan b: if you did not implement what you speced before, change the specs :)
10:28:36  <Hirundo> Yexo: present?
10:28:41  <Yexo> yes
10:28:45  <Yexo> but only for another hour or so
10:29:44  <Hirundo> You need to add me to the readme, right?
10:30:01  <Yexo> yes, see
10:31:53  * Hirundo reads
10:32:42  <Hirundo> I would add an explicit reference to the docs somewhere
10:33:40  <Yexo> like this? (in about)
10:33:56  <Hirundo> and add me as Jasper Reichardt
10:34:12  <Yexo> I'm sure more improvements can be done, I just wanted something for the first release
10:34:34  <Hirundo> sure, rest looks very nice
10:34:48  <Yexo> is there anything that should block 0.1.0?
10:35:05  <Hirundo> A reference to the forum topic might be nice, there's quite some help/information to be found there
10:35:13  <Hirundo> Although no-one ever reads the readme anyway
10:35:59  <Hirundo> Only blocks the release IMO, but that's a catch 22 ;)
10:36:53  <Yexo> than I'll go right ahead and tag 0.1.0 now
10:36:53  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1369:865a5da51403: Doc: add readme.txt (yexo) @
10:36:53  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Bug #2657 (Closed): write readme.txt (yexo) @
10:38:16  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1370:574227dcfd94: Added tag 0.1.0 for changeset 865a5da51403 (yexo) @
10:40:10  <Terkhen> :)
10:40:40  <frosch123> what's "optimized nml"?
10:41:04  <Yexo> s/3+3/6/
10:41:22  <Yexo> all expressions simplified as much as possible
10:41:43  <Yexo> although that needs a discussions, since that also means a lot of variable names are removed from the output
10:42:08  <frosch123> is it a debug feature, or is that some other usecase?
10:42:30  <Yexo> it's a prerequisite for the grf2nml converter
10:43:24  <Yexo> and the output is in some cases more readable than nml files generated with a lot of preprocessor magic
10:43:32  <Yexo> since that tends to generate _very_ long lines
10:43:55  <frosch123> :)
10:49:55  <Yexo> Ammler: I think nml is not configured to build releases when a tag is pushed
10:49:59  <Yexo> could you please fix that?
10:50:26  <Yexo> I'm very soon gone for the rest of the day, so if possible don't wait for a reaction from me until tomorrow ;)
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12:06:26  <Ammler> Yexo: oh, nml 0.1.0 :-o
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12:09:17  <Ammler> devzone is btw. at redmine 1.2 and has private tickets, do we use that?
12:18:54  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1371:e6ed9af9b7ba: Change: enable release building (Ammler) @
12:21:52  <Brot6> nml: update from  to 0.1.0 done -
12:22:15  <Ammler> Yexo: ^
12:25:36  <Terkhen> Ammler: will that version be used for compiling opengfx+ industries? I was waiting for a working version of nml to release opengfx+ industries :)
12:25:55  <Ammler> Terkhen: not per default
12:26:04  <Ammler> I could trigger it, thought
12:26:39  <Ammler> Terkhen: 1min
12:29:10  <Brot6> nml: update from r1366 to r1371 done -
12:29:27  <Ammler> Terkhen: now ^
12:32:14  <Ammler> well, if you want the specific nml release 0.1.0, it would need config change in your .devzone
12:36:27  <Ammler> but then you need release from nml for every change
12:36:46  <Ammler> it might be recommend to have most releases not using nml nightly anymore
12:39:46  <Hirundo> How is this handled for grfcodec?
12:42:12  <Rubidium> iirc a new grfcodec version triggers all stuff depending on grfcodec to recompile (as regression test)
12:42:53  <Ammler> Hirundo: per default the requires file uses nightlies, but could be configured to use releases
12:43:43  <Hirundo> I'd argue for the same for NML, use nightly unless configured to use release
12:43:51  <Ammler> we use our packages as a kind of test that was the reason to use nightlies
12:44:10  <Ammler> Hirundo: yes, that is default
12:44:30  <Ammler> it would need change either default to release or repos can change it individually
12:44:53  <Ammler> if someone ever complains about wrong devzone tickets to his ticket, he can switch to releases, I would say
12:51:16  <Terkhen> Ammler: I don't mind the specific nml version, it's just that the previous one failed
12:51:19  <Terkhen> thank you :)
12:54:29  <Ammler> yuw
12:54:34  <Ammler> a
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17:08:26  <Brot6> grfcodec: update from r829 to r830 done -
17:18:36  <Brot6> fish: update from r651 to r653 done -
17:18:54  <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: 2cctrainset (r750), 32bpp-extra (r40), ai-admiralai (r75), ai-aroai (r39), ailib-common (r21), ailib-direction (r17), ailib-list (r32), ailib-string (r29), ailib-tile (r16), airportsplus (r93), basecosts (r25), belarusiantowns (r8), bros (r52), chips (r141), comic-houses (r71), firs (r1996), frenchtowns (r6), german-townnames (r34), grfcodec (r830), grfpack (r279), heqs (r605),
17:18:54  <Brot6> indonesiantowns (r41), manindu (r7), metrotrackset (r56), narvs (r37), newgrf_makefile (ERROR r293), nml (r1371), nutracks (r201), ogfx-industries (ERROR r116), ogfx-landscape (r69), ogfx-rv (r107), ogfx-trains (r241), ogfx-trees (r49), opengfx (r673), openmsx (r97), opensfx (r97), smts (r19), snowlinemod (r49), spanishtowns (r10), sub-landscape (ERROR r66), sub-opengfx (ERROR r666), swedishrails (r202), swisstowns (r22),
17:18:56  <Brot6> transrapidtrackset (r15), ttdviewer (r34), ttrs (r36), worldairlinersset (r672)
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17:26:28  <Brot6> newgrf_makefile: compile of r293 still failed (#2656) -
17:27:36  <Brot6> ogfx-industries: update from r111 to r116 done -
17:33:04  <Brot6> sub-landscape: compile of r66 still failed (#2616) -
17:33:53  <Brot6> sub-opengfx: compile of r666 still failed (#2586) -
17:36:42  <Brot6> Following repos rebuilds successful without any difference to earlier nightlies builds: 2cctrainset (6 errors), 32bpp-extra (2 errors), airportsplus (Diffsize: 12), basecosts, belarusiantowns (Diffsize: 30), bros (1 errors), chips (1 errors), comic-houses (3 errors) (Diffsize: 22), firs, frenchtowns, german-townnames, heqs, indonesiantowns (1 errors) (Diffsize: 1), manindu (Diffsize: 1), metrotrackset (Diffsize: 1), narvs, nutracks,
17:36:42  <Brot6> ogfx-landscape (Diffsize: 21), ogfx-rv, ogfx-trains (Diffsize: 813), ogfx-trees, opengfx (Diffsize: 7), smts (Diffsize: 8), snowlinemod, spanishtowns (Diffsize: 1), swedishrails (Diffsize: 385), swisstowns, transrapidtrackset (Diffsize: 12), ttrs (7 errors) (Diffsize: 1324), worldairlinersset
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18:48:20  <Brot6> ogfx-industries: update from 0.3.3 to 0.3.4 done -
18:48:34  <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Industries - Revision 117:af35d4088492: Added tag 0.3.4 for changeset f87a01e512e3 (Terkhen) @
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