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00:14:00 *** welshdragon has left #openttdcoop.devzone 06:30:32 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 06:47:51 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 06:52:08 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 06:57:28 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 07:04:30 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 07:19:31 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 07:28:16 <andythenorth> mornings 07:32:48 <Terkhen> good morning andythenorth 07:37:13 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 09:53:16 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 10:08:56 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 11:58:53 *** welshdragon has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:05:39 *** Tloo-ZaRaZa has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:05:54 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> hello ) 12:07:09 <Terkhen> hi Tloo-ZaRaZa 12:07:16 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:11:38 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> I made russian (cyrrilic and latin) town names grf. I want to know where to post it or maybe some testing before ) 12:13:32 <Ammler> tt-forums, bananas, grfcrawler 12:14:13 <Ammler> Tloo-ZaRaZa: or do you want to public the source? 12:14:28 <planetmaker> hi Tloo-ZaRaZa 12:14:33 <Ammler> create a ticket here and you get a project page 12:15:14 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> Ammler: source is just a list of names is it worth it? 12:15:33 <planetmaker> you'll need to create an account, with the DevZone and it can be granted. 12:15:40 <planetmaker> and... yes, it might be worth it. 12:16:04 <planetmaker> Maybe someone wants to extend it. Fix a small mistake or whatever. Then publishing it under an open source license will allow that 12:16:23 <planetmaker> and a grf is slightly more than just a lost ;-) 12:16:31 <Ammler> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/townnames <-- there are already some townsets on the devzone 12:16:34 <planetmaker> in the case of town names, very little more ;-) 12:17:25 <Ammler> well, it's not just the source, you get also a tracker (keep todos, buglist etc.) 12:17:55 <Ammler> you do not necessary need a vcs, but you can :-) 12:18:11 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> heh 12:18:15 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> I got it. Thanks. Going to register) 12:26:09 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 12:27:41 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> And how should i create a ticket? 12:33:14 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects <-- follow the link which says "Please create a ticket for a new project here..." 12:35:54 <Ammler> needs to be done once, then you can make your project self 12:37:19 <planetmaker> hm, I always forget, Ammler: does the repo module need ticking or not? 12:37:46 <Ammler> if you want a repo, of course 12:37:56 <Ammler> (but no configure) 12:38:09 <planetmaker> ok :-) 12:41:19 <Brot6> DevZone Help Center - Membership #2703 (New): Applying for project: Russian Town Names (Tloo-ZaRaZa) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2703 12:41:19 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> done. 12:41:28 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> O_o 12:41:33 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> he knew! 12:42:39 <planetmaker> Tloo-ZaRaZa: do you want a repository for source control, i.e. use mercurial? 12:44:09 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/russiantowns/settings <-- anyway 12:44:22 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> =) 12:44:28 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> I don't know) 12:44:40 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> :3 12:44:58 <planetmaker> well, I enabled it. 12:45:52 <Ammler> planetmaker: managers can enable modules too 12:46:07 <planetmaker> yes, I know... well :-) 12:46:17 <planetmaker> I kinda consider it default ;-) 12:48:49 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> Im kinda proud of it... :sniff: 12:49:03 <Brot6> repository /home/hg/russiantowns registered in Redmine with url /home/hg/russiantowns 12:49:03 <Brot6> repository /home/hg/russiantowns created 12:49:08 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> now lets see how to use it) 12:50:14 <planetmaker> :-) Is your grf already complete or do you have "only" the list of town names? 12:50:56 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> completed 12:52:30 <planetmaker> you might then also want to present the grf to the community in tt-forums and maybe make it available on bananas, OpenTTD's online content, too 12:54:31 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> online conten is a goal) i still have some problems 12:56:12 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> in newGrf settings my grf is added and Russian names selected in settings. but afrer rerstart lines in setting droplist are missing. need to go to new grfsetting and press apply 12:56:38 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> ok. i need to upload sources first) 13:02:35 <planetmaker> that's usually then done via the VCS. Which here - by default - is mercurial. Have you ever used a VCS? 13:03:54 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> used svn some times 13:04:01 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/home/wiki <-- we tried to write some brief introduction here. 13:04:10 <planetmaker> If you know svn, then hg is not much different 13:06:58 <planetmaker> http://wiki.pylonshq.com/display/pylonscookbook/Mercurial+for+Subversion+Users 13:06:59 <Webster> Title: Mercurial for Subversion Users - Pylons Cookbook - PythonWeb (at wiki.pylonshq.com) 13:07:39 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> ok. i will install it at home in th evening 14:07:05 <Brot6> Russian Towns - Revision 0:a223842700af: First version (Tloo-ZaRaZa) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/russiantowns/repository/revisions/a223842700af 14:07:16 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> hey) looks like i added files to repository! ) 14:08:04 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> that bot reads my thoughts... 14:11:29 <planetmaker> hm... I thought we forbid to upload grfs to the repo ;-) 14:11:32 <Terkhen> :) 14:12:20 <Terkhen> Tloo-ZaRaZa: do you want me to add a spanish translation? 14:13:23 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> sure... why not 14:13:41 <planetmaker> Tloo-ZaRaZa, usually a source repository does NOT contain the product of compilation ;-) 14:14:36 <Terkhen> there is a typo: cyrrilic -> cyrillic 14:14:37 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> planetmaker: i looked to dutch names and made like there ) 14:15:07 <planetmaker> meh :-P 14:15:41 <planetmaker> I guess we told that guy the same thing ;-) 14:15:47 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> =D 14:17:16 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> last time i was so excited when made very fist russian subs to Corpse Bride... 14:17:42 <planetmaker> could you please add a license file though? If unsure just add http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-2.0.txt 14:18:15 <Terkhen> I'll wait for the fixes before adding a translation :) 14:18:17 <planetmaker> which obviously puts it under GPL v2 14:18:25 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> sure it is 14:19:30 <Terkhen> Tloo-ZaRaZa: for commit messages other than the first we follow this guidelines: http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/home/wiki/Writing_Commit_Messages 14:20:19 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> Yes, I read it 14:20:19 <planetmaker> Of course you can use your own message style. But when it comes to referencing tickets and revisions which shall be picked up by the web interface it helps to read through that 14:20:37 <Terkhen> ok :) 14:28:04 <Brot6> Russian Towns - Revision 1:ae6c58adb072: Add: GNU GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE Version 2 file (Tloo-ZaRaZa) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/russiantowns/repository/revisions/ae6c58adb072 14:28:09 <Terkhen> hmm... I should update spanish towns too, I got an updated list of town names 14:28:17 <planetmaker> :-) 14:28:26 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> strange... grf was not deleted 14:28:49 <planetmaker> did you use "hg rm filename"? 14:29:02 <planetmaker> or the equivalent of that in the GUI, if you use one 14:29:15 <planetmaker> just deleting it in the file browser doesn't do the trick ;-) 14:29:41 <Brot6> Spanish Town Names - Bug #2275 (Closed): DevZone compile failed (Terkhen) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2275#change-6796 14:29:41 <Brot6> Russian Towns - Revision 2:f28449bdfa37: Cleanup: .grf (Tloo-ZaRaZa) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/russiantowns/repository/revisions/f28449bdfa37 14:29:41 <Brot6> Spanish Town Names - Bug #2678 (Closed): DevZone compile failed (Terkhen) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2678#change-6797 14:30:14 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> done 14:30:17 <planetmaker> :-) 14:30:32 <planetmaker> which OS do you use? 14:30:40 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> win7 14:30:42 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> 64x 14:31:00 <planetmaker> hm, ok. Then I probably cannot recommend to make use of my grf build system 14:31:06 <Brot6> Spanish Town Names - Feature #2704 (New): Update town name data (Terkhen) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2704 14:31:22 <Terkhen> for such a simple grf is probably not worth the effort :) 14:31:30 <Terkhen> Tloo-ZaRaZa: I'm going to add the spanish translation now 14:31:34 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> ok 14:31:40 <planetmaker> yes and no. For building nighties and releases ;-) 14:31:53 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> its one command to build gfr 14:31:55 <planetmaker> from the newgrf compile "farm" 14:32:36 <planetmaker> I know :-) 14:32:38 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> or "system" doest much more than just a compile? 14:33:41 <planetmaker> yes. It updates the version with each commit. It uses tags as releases and displays them then as version. It builds the grf and a zip / xz and source bundle 14:34:02 <planetmaker> and publishes them to the DevZone's binary server 14:34:25 <planetmaker> and allows to build a nightly version. Which might not be so important for town name newgrfs, but larger projects 14:34:27 <Yexo> Tloo-ZaRaZa: I'm curious: do you use the precompiled nml binaries for windows or did you install python/pil/etc.? 14:34:40 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> precomp ) 14:34:54 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> sounds noob, eah ) 14:35:02 <Yexo> not at all 14:35:12 <Yexo> installing all prerequisites on windows is a pain 14:35:36 <Terkhen> indeed 14:35:43 <Yexo> there aren't too many people using nml at the moment, and most of them are in this channel 14:37:23 <Ammler> [16:11] <planetmaker> hm... I thought we forbid to upload grfs to the repo <-- I guess the hook is disabled by your request isn't? 14:37:48 <planetmaker> Ammler, I would have sworn that I enabled it again after I created the subrepo test repos 14:37:49 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> why not? other use nfo? 14:38:02 <planetmaker> yes. nml is still quite new 14:38:03 <Ammler> planetmaker: 14:38:09 <Ammler> ah, you might not then :-) 14:38:31 <planetmaker> yep, I might 14:38:48 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> new but very simple 14:38:49 <planetmaker> memory like a salad sieve ;-) 14:39:07 <planetmaker> please carry on with the praise, Tloo-ZaRaZa ;-) 14:39:09 <Ammler> bad-endings = .pyc .pyo .bak .log .orig .rej .patch ~ <-- no .grf 14:39:21 <Ammler> shall I add? 14:39:26 <planetmaker> hm... I think I did not change that. 14:39:33 <planetmaker> Ammler, would it then also apply to NML repo? 14:39:44 <Ammler> doesn't nml have it's own ini 14:39:51 <planetmaker> I don't recall 14:40:10 <Ammler> yes, it does 14:40:12 <Ammler> so I add it 14:40:17 <planetmaker> ok :-) Thanks 14:40:18 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> planetmaker: it was yesterday just like "wow! ottd at last is over 1.0! i want to download russian town names from online downloader... what!? no such a thing? lets do it!" if i fugured that i should use NFO i dont think it was done by now 14:40:53 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> i spent 2 hours fighting with BOL in UTF ) 14:41:03 <planetmaker> Tloo-ZaRaZa, I'd not argue against that time argument ;-) 14:41:32 <planetmaker> and yes... NML is the language which I nearly exclusively write NewGRFs in since NML started ;-) 14:42:08 <planetmaker> and nice to hear that you - obviously - found it easy enough to get going so quickly from getting the game and writing your (first) newgrf :-) 14:42:11 <Brot6> DevZone Help Center - Revision 142:7e17f09d90ac: [HG] add .grf as bad ending to default hook (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/home/repository/revisions/7e17f09d90ac 14:42:31 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 14:43:02 <Ammler> Tloo-ZaRaZa: you can use files for binaries like .grf 14:43:11 <Ammler> should not be part of source repo 14:43:20 *** andythenorth is now known as Guest3888 14:43:21 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 14:43:23 <planetmaker> yep, he changed that already ;-) 14:43:37 <Ammler> ah may 14:43:47 <Ammler> I just read part of backlog :-P 14:45:30 <planetmaker> Tloo-ZaRaZa, indeed you may and should publish your grf though, so that the common users will find it. There the two best places are tt-forums (mostly for feedback) and - of course - OpenTTD's online content (for easy ingame access) 14:45:56 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> planetmaker: lets test it for some time 14:45:59 <planetmaker> the latter is also easy: go to http://bananas.openttd.org/en/manager/ 14:46:11 <planetmaker> Tloo-ZaRaZa, then only publish it at tt-forums 14:46:29 <planetmaker> You'll get feedback from those willing to test things 14:46:42 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> yeah 14:46:50 <Ammler> but really usage you got from bananas only 14:46:51 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 14:47:24 <planetmaker> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewforum.php?f=26 <-- proper sub-forum 14:47:25 <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums View forum - Graphics Development (at www.tt-forums.net) 14:47:32 <planetmaker> even if it contains no single graphic sprite ;-) 14:48:28 <Terkhen> wait, I'm still with the translation :P 14:48:36 <Terkhen> my internet is being stupid 14:48:39 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> whole workday ruind by ottd ) 14:48:49 * Terkhen lost count of those days :D 14:49:08 <planetmaker> :-D 14:49:15 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> ) 14:50:35 *** Guest3888 has quit IRC 14:53:43 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> so. cyrillic names should by used with unicode fonts? 14:54:13 <planetmaker> with a font which supports them and the chosen language 14:54:23 <planetmaker> that can be unicode - but for you it might be many more 14:55:55 <Brot6> Russian Towns - Feature #2705 (New): Spanish translation (Terkhen) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2705 14:56:06 <Terkhen> ^ Tloo-ZaRaZa: the computer where I have nml refuses to connect so I can't commit it (I'm not sure I had permissions anyways) 14:58:57 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> Terkhen: maybe giving you some role will work? 14:59:18 <Terkhen> probably, but I have no internet connection in that computer :/ 14:59:25 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> do you live developer? ) 14:59:28 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> like* 15:00:03 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> =( 15:00:34 <Terkhen> stupid computer... it was already giving me random crashes and now this 15:02:24 <Yexo> you need the developer or manager role to commit 15:02:29 <Terkhen> Tloo-ZaRaZa: feel free to commit it if you want, don't forget hg add :P 15:02:36 <Yexo> or use an ssh connecting, that way you can commit to every repository :) 15:02:44 <Terkhen> I won't be able to commit until... who knows how much time 15:03:23 *** Lakie has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:03:30 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> .lng file must have strict name? 15:05:04 <Yexo> nope 15:05:16 <Yexo> the ##grflangid line inside the file is important 15:13:32 <planetmaker> Terkhen, you can only commit, if you're developer of a project 15:13:49 <planetmaker> thus Tloo-ZaRaZa would have to add you as developer to the project 15:14:00 <planetmaker> oh... slow backlog reading ;-) 15:14:20 <Brot6> Russian Towns - Revision 3:94c49a7e716c: Feature: Spanish translation by Terkhen (Tloo-ZaRaZa) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/russiantowns/repository/revisions/94c49a7e716c 15:14:22 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> =)) 15:14:55 <Terkhen> :) 15:21:31 <planetmaker> http://devs.openttd.org/~planetmaker/patches/german.lng <-- @ Tloo-ZaRaZa 15:22:26 <planetmaker> oh... wait. typo 15:22:54 <Ammler> my stupid browser does interpret .lng as binary file 15:22:56 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> planetmaker: made you a dev 15:23:03 <Ammler> or is your webserver broken 15:23:12 <planetmaker> Ammler, mine does, too 15:23:20 <planetmaker> Tloo-ZaRaZa, easier, if you commit it ;-) 15:23:27 <planetmaker> (for me at least ;-) ) 15:23:33 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> ok 15:23:50 <planetmaker> as I don't yet have a checkout 15:24:39 <planetmaker> but thanks 15:25:35 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> i missed Setting up SSH (obsolete) part of installing. is there not-obsolete version? 15:26:11 <Yexo> yes, simply don't set up ssh at all 15:26:19 <Yexo> there is no need for it, since you can commit over https 15:26:59 <Ammler> Tloo-ZaRaZa: ssh is just for admins 15:27:57 <Ammler> we have no access control with ssh yet 15:29:09 *** Tloo-ZaRaZa has quit IRC 15:31:30 <planetmaker> https allows only commits to the repos you're manager or developer of. 15:31:49 <Yexo> he's gone 15:31:49 <planetmaker> With ssh you could basically commit to every repo. Which is potentially not the best thing, if everyone can do that 15:31:57 <planetmaker> oh :) 15:32:09 <Ammler> ah nice, thanks, now I know :-P 15:33:31 <planetmaker> :-P 15:34:29 *** Tloo-ZaRaZa has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:34:52 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> im back) got a nice juicy BSOD 15:34:57 <planetmaker> <planetmaker> https allows only commits to the repos you're manager or developer of. 15:34:57 <planetmaker> <planetmaker> With ssh you could basically commit to every repo. Which is potentially not the best thing, if everyone can do that. We changed that when this server became more popular 15:35:09 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> ok 15:35:42 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> and there was no ini file in user folder 15:36:58 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> hg asks me pass every operation. looks like it do not see ini file that i created in %USERPROFILE% 15:37:37 <Terkhen> Tloo-ZaRaZa: I have a .hgrc file in C:\Users\username 15:37:43 <planetmaker> ah. Dunno where exactly in windows it must be.... ^ 15:37:52 <planetmaker> note the leading dot 15:38:06 <Terkhen> I think it works without the leading dot too 15:38:10 <planetmaker> it's not automatically created, you need to do that manually 15:39:56 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> here http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/home/wiki/Configuring_TortoiseHg_(Windows) stated about Mercurial.ini 15:42:07 <Ammler> Mercurial.ini is the windows pendant to unix .hgrc 15:42:22 <planetmaker> ah 15:42:28 <Terkhen> oh, sorry, I was talking about the console version of mercurial, not TortoiseHg 15:43:00 <Ammler> windows might just be able to read both 15:44:18 <Ammler> Tloo-ZaRaZa: if a config file doesn't exist, mostly you can simply create it :-) 15:44:36 <Ammler> that is with most apps 15:44:55 <Ammler> no sense to create empty files 15:45:17 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> done. but it asks me password every time. Is this ok? 15:45:25 <Ammler> up to you 15:45:39 <Ammler> you could add a [auth] section to mercurial.ini 15:45:57 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> it is there 15:45:58 <Ammler> or username:password@repo to your path 15:46:24 <Ammler> Tloo-ZaRaZa: then that file might not be read 15:46:27 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> yes. i forgot about a path 15:46:34 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> lets forget it) 15:48:26 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> I have a bug with town names. I open ottd and see <undefined string> in town names. if go to newGrf settings and press apply, than proper <Russian <(latin)> gets back 15:50:36 <Yexo> Tloo-ZaRaZa: what are the exact steps to follow so I can reproduce that problem? 15:50:58 <Yexo> in baby steps, like "add grf", "open game options", "close game", "start game again", etc. 15:52:25 <planetmaker> Yexo, add a newgrf. select its provided town names. remove the newgrf from the newgrf list. look at town names list in options again 15:52:38 <Yexo> that is simply a user error imo 15:52:59 <Yexo> especially as it won't cause any trouble when starting the game, since it'll fallback to the english town names 15:53:20 <planetmaker> in a way yes. I'm not sure whether it should not just revert to showing the default. As it uses them anyway. 15:53:41 <Yexo> the advantage of the current behavior is that as soon as the user adds the grf back it'll chose that one again 15:53:50 <planetmaker> yep 15:54:11 <planetmaker> which is good for re-configuring newgrfs indeed 15:54:41 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> 1. open game 2. goto game options. 3. look at (undefined string) in town names. 4. close game options 5. open newgrf settings 6. click Apply changes. 7. close menu. 8. open game options again. 9 look at good string. 10. close game 15:54:48 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> and again and again 15:55:29 <planetmaker> Yexo, but maybe it should not show "undefined string" but rather something more informative like "unavailable NewGRF, using default" 15:55:38 <Yexo> in step 6 you only click "Apply changes"? You don't add your grf to the list first? 15:55:48 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> no. jst click 15:56:11 <planetmaker> uhm... not make your newgrf active? 15:56:26 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> it is already there 15:56:34 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> if not to go anywhere - just start new game - it works 15:56:44 <planetmaker> hm. 15:56:56 <planetmaker> Yexo, different md5sums maybe? 15:57:15 <Yexo> md5sum is not stored in the config file 15:58:06 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> if remove newgrf, apply, close game, open, add newgrf - same thing 15:58:45 <Yexo> that case is expected, because as long as the newgrf is not in the list the name of the townnames is not known 15:58:58 <Yexo> however it should "apply" the newgrfs automatically when the game starts 15:59:06 <Yexo> which version are you using? 16:00:16 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> 1.1.1.22528 16:00:44 <Yexo> I can reproduce it in 1.1.0, not in trunk 16:00:48 <Yexo> going to try 1.1.1 now 16:01:00 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> Yexo: but why newgrf is not in the list? it is where. wait - what list? ( 16:01:33 <Yexo> the "active" list in the newgrf window 16:01:39 <Yexo> but the grf is there, so that's not the problem 16:03:26 <Yexo> it has probably been fixed between r22309 and r22314 16:03:49 <Yexo> however the fix has been accidental, nobody reported a bug before 16:04:02 <Yexo> which means that the changes in those commits have not been backported to 1.1 16:04:18 <Yexo> and given the impact those changes had I doubt they ever will 16:04:24 <Yexo> especially since the bug is so minor 16:05:17 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> =~( 16:05:17 <planetmaker> he. yeah 16:05:26 <planetmaker> Tloo-ZaRaZa, play nightly ;-) 16:05:37 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> np 16:05:45 <planetmaker> 1.2.0 will have it fixed, too. But that will take another 7 month till the first betas 16:06:00 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> but why its occures? 16:06:43 <Yexo> because of a small bug in the code for 1.1. I could try to find the exact cause, but that takes quite some time 16:06:52 <Yexo> and since it's already been fixed I'd be a waste of time 16:07:08 <Yexo> s/I/it/ 16:07:18 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> does it happens only with town names newgrf? 16:07:24 <Yexo> yes 16:07:27 <planetmaker> :-D No, you're not a waste of time 16:07:29 <Yexo> as far as I know 16:08:19 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> ok ) I think we should add this info in the description 16:11:37 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> should it be reported? 16:12:21 <planetmaker> what do you think needs changing then, if the bug is already fixed? 16:13:09 <Yexo> only if you really want it fixed for 1.1.2, but in that case be prepared to get the answer: "it'll only be fixed if you provide a _small_ patch yourself" 16:13:25 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> fixed, but didnt get into 1.1 16:13:52 <planetmaker> It was fixed after 1.1.0 - which is another development tree 16:14:18 <Yexo> more importantly: it was accidentally fixed during some big codechanges 16:14:36 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> i really dont get all mechanism 16:14:56 <Yexo> which means that either all those codechanges have to be backported to 1.1 (which won't happen, since it's a small unimportant bug) or someone would have to provide a separate fix for 1.1 16:15:14 <Yexo> the latter could in theory be one of the devs, but seeing how small this bug is I doubt anyone would bother 16:15:28 <Yexo> which leaves you (as reported) to write a simple patch for that, which than could get included 16:15:45 <Yexo> but again only if the size of the patch was in relation to the bug, which in this case means: very small 16:15:55 <planetmaker> Tloo-ZaRaZa, there are separate repositories for 1.1.x versions and our nightly builds 16:16:22 <planetmaker> no new features will generally appear in later 1.1.x versions. Only the future 1.2.x will have new features 16:16:40 <planetmaker> This bug was fixed (accidentially) in the nightlies, thus a different repo from 1.1.x 16:17:00 <planetmaker> unadvertly and with a huge change which addressed something much bigger :-) 16:17:38 <planetmaker> future 1.1.x versions usually work the way that bug fixes from the nightlies are taken and patched into 1.1.x repo 16:17:54 <planetmaker> but that only works, if things are not too different - or if someone writes a separate patch 16:18:37 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> if things are not too different - what things> 16:18:47 <planetmaker> source code 16:20:46 <Tloo-ZaRaZa> interesting 16:28:04 <Brot6> Russian Towns - Feature #2705 (Closed): Spanish translation (Terkhen) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2705 16:28:04 <Brot6> Russian Towns - Feature #2705 (Closed): Spanish translation (Tloo-ZaRaZa) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2705#change-6798 17:04:17 *** frosch123 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:08:54 *** Tloo-ZaRaZa has quit IRC 17:10:29 <Brot6> nml: update from r1377 to r1385 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/nml/nightlies/r1385 17:17:29 <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: 2cctrainset (r750), 32bpp-extra (r40), ai-admiralai (r75), ai-aroai (r39), ailib-common (r21), ailib-direction (r17), ailib-list (r32), ailib-string (r29), ailib-tile (r16), airportsplus (r93), basecosts (r25), belarusiantowns (r8), bros (r52), chips (r141), comic-houses (r71), firs (r1996), fish (r653), frenchtowns (r6), german-townnames (r34), grfcodec (r830), grfpack (r279), heqs 17:17:29 <Brot6> (r605), indonesiantowns (r41), manindu (r7), metrotrackset (r56), narvs (r37), newgrf_makefile (r294), nml (r1385), nutracks (r201), ogfx-industries (r119), ogfx-landscape (r69), ogfx-rv (r107), ogfx-trains (r241), ogfx-trees (r49), opengfx (r673), openmsx (r97), opensfx (r97), smts (r19), snowlinemod (r49), spanishtowns (r10), sub-landscape (ERROR r66), sub-opengfx (ERROR r666), swedishrails (r202), swisstowns (r22), transrapidtrackset 17:17:31 <Brot6> (r15), ttdviewer (r34), ttrs (r36), worldairlinersset (r672) 17:18:59 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Airports - Bug #2706 (New): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2706 17:22:06 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Industries - Bug #2707 (New): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2707 17:22:06 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Landscape - Bug #2708 (New): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2708 17:23:19 <Brot6> sub-landscape: compile of r66 still failed (#2616) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/sub-landscape/nightlies/ERROR/r66 17:24:05 <Brot6> sub-opengfx: compile of r666 still failed (#2586) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/sub-opengfx/nightlies/ERROR/r666 17:24:32 <Terkhen> strange 17:24:49 <Terkhen> I don't think that industry_paper_mill has anything special 17:24:54 <Brot6> Following repos rebuilds successful without any difference to earlier nightlies builds: belarusiantowns (Diffsize: 30), frenchtowns, german-townnames, indonesiantowns (1 errors) (Diffsize: 1), manindu (Diffsize: 1), narvs, newgrf_makefile, ogfx-rv, ogfx-trains (Diffsize: 813), spanishtowns (Diffsize: 1), swedishrails (Diffsize: 385), swisstowns 18:10:23 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:11:22 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 18:19:49 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:08:43 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1997:372360e90c5b: Change: improve appearance of Dairy c... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/372360e90c5b 20:08:43 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature Request #2548 (Closed): Do chimneys look better without c... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2548#change-6799 20:09:46 *** Tloo-ZaRaZa has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:55:54 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1998:adab0fc4ca23: Change: improved appearance of Machin... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/adab0fc4ca23 20:56:41 <Brot6> Russian Towns - Revision 4:be025858ddbc: Fix: Typos, Bug description (Tloo-ZaRaZa) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/russiantowns/repository/revisions/be025858ddbc 21:03:34 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 21:18:53 <Yexo> Terkhen: industry_paper_mill has nothing special indeed 21:19:24 <Yexo> these problems are caused by nml r1378 21:19:42 <Yexo> the name "industry_paper_mill" is used before it is defined 21:19:53 <planetmaker> eh? 21:20:01 <Yexo> previously that worked because the name was registered while parsing and using the name happened during the pre_process step 21:20:10 <Yexo> now the name is also registered during pre_process 21:20:24 <Yexo> which means usage before registering, hence a failure 21:20:40 <planetmaker> what does that imply wrt nml coding? 21:20:45 <planetmaker> what does 'register' imply? 21:21:02 <Yexo> item(feat_x, industry_paper_mill) {} <- thtat 21:22:12 <Yexo> since it's no problem in nfo, I think nml will need to get another pre_process step 21:31:48 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1999:7bcdd42e2346: Fix: Machine Shop had some graphics m... 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