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01:26:27 *** JVassie_ has quit IRC 01:44:01 *** Lakie has quit IRC 03:31:02 *** Ruudjah has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 04:53:49 *** bodis has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 05:16:12 *** bodis has quit IRC 05:20:50 *** bodis has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 05:36:58 *** bodis has quit IRC 07:32:43 *** JVassie_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 08:26:22 *** JVassie has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 08:30:57 *** JVassie_ has quit IRC 09:10:04 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:31:50 *** ODM has quit IRC 11:52:25 <Brot6> Metro Track Set - Feature #2765 (New): Auto-introduction of 3RDC (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2765 12:49:04 <Yexo> planetmaker: input on #1349 ? Is that really needed? 12:49:04 <Brot6> Yexo: planetmaker: #1349 is http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/show/1349 "NewGRF Meta Language - Feature Request #1349: Explicitly declare language files to be used - #openttdcoop Development Zone" 12:51:42 <planetmaker> Yexo, it IMHO would make it less likely to wonder than silently including also lang files from previous test 12:52:08 <planetmaker> let's say: it fooled me more than one time 12:52:12 <planetmaker> wondering about different md5 12:53:05 <planetmaker> don't worry about it for now, I think. But... in the long run I'd consider it nice 12:53:46 <planetmaker> I could envision a lang block: 12:54:03 <Yexo> an optional lang block that lists all language files to be used 12:54:12 <planetmaker> or optional, yes 12:54:14 <Yexo> if there is none nml should use all files it can find (ie current behavior) 12:54:41 <planetmaker> lang { english, dutch, german} 12:54:48 <planetmaker> with default lang dir and extension, if you like 12:55:34 <planetmaker> and issue a fatal error, if there's no lang file with langID 0x01 among the declare ones. 12:57:47 <Yexo> that reintroduces the error in opengfx where you don't have a language file 12:58:44 <planetmaker> Nah, I mean only when the lang block is declared 12:58:54 <Yexo> ah, ok 12:59:11 <planetmaker> as then it obviously needs a default language 12:59:28 <Yexo> not for now, but I added the above to the issue 13:00:02 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Feature Request #1349: Explicitly declare language files to be used (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1349#change-6926 13:30:43 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Feature Request #1349: Explicitly declare language files to be used (Hirundo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1349#change-6927 13:35:44 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Feature Request #1349: Explicitly declare language files to be used (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1349#change-6928 13:36:30 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Feature Request #1349: Explicitly declare language files to be used (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1349#change-6928 13:45:58 *** Lakie has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 14:06:19 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Feature Request #1349: Explicitly declare language files to be used (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1349#change-6929 15:26:30 <Hirundo> Yexo: I'm currently looking into what blocks can be skipped/looped/placed in item blocks 15:27:13 <Hirundo> IMO, we should disable conditional skipping for the grf block, users should use skip_all if they really need to 15:27:45 <Yexo> agreed 15:28:29 <Hirundo> Also I wonder what happens if you loop certain blocks 15:28:50 <Hirundo> For OpenTTD most stuff will work, I think, though I wonder about real sprites 15:30:12 <Yexo> I think it'll mostly work fine 15:30:26 <Yexo> might introduce some duplication in openttd structures 15:31:03 <Hirundo> For our own sanity we will want to avoid skipping/looping action2s, cargo/railtype tables, and town names, though 15:31:12 <Hirundo> as-is done currently 15:31:16 <Yexo> agreed 15:31:37 <Terkhen> hmm... I just was going to ask about using if/else with town names :P 15:31:47 <Yexo> Hirundo: see http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/Action7#action for what is safe to skip and what is not 15:31:48 <Webster> Title: Action7 - GRFSpecs (at newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net) 15:32:09 <Hirundo> That's for TTDPatch, since NFO == internal structure there a *lot* of stuff breaks 15:32:13 <Hirundo> for looping at least 15:33:07 <Hirundo> Also, I wonder if we should restrict what stuff is put in item blocks 15:33:30 <Yexo> we do that already 15:33:40 <Yexo> see item.py validate_item_block 15:34:05 <Yexo> or do you want to stop restricting it? 15:34:36 <Hirundo> I think we best keep it as-is, to protect the user from himself 15:35:18 <Yexo> what would possible make more sense is to remove the item-block completely 15:35:34 <Yexo> so we get "property (FEAT_TRAINS, name[, id]) { ...}" 15:35:52 <planetmaker> hm? 15:36:38 <Yexo> currently we have "item (args) { property { .....} graphics { ....} }", it could be replaced by "property (args) { ....} graphics (args) { .... }" 15:36:41 <planetmaker> hm... similar to how the sprite_group were removed? 15:36:50 <Yexo> yes, exactly 15:36:51 <Hirundo> *sprite_block, yes 15:36:51 <planetmaker> yes, could 15:37:01 <planetmaker> yes, thanks, Hirundo :-) 15:37:16 <Terkhen> if town names cannot be defined inside if/else blocks then there will be no way to conditionally define different town name blocks depending on parameters, right? 15:37:33 <Yexo> Terkhen: correct 15:37:45 * planetmaker would have a use-case for that, though 15:38:04 <Hirundo> In principle there is no objection to define top-level blocks conditionally 15:38:11 <planetmaker> Köln / Cologne; Aachen, Aix-au-chapelle, ... 15:38:42 <Terkhen> yes, I was planning on parameters for spanish town names (one for each region) to conditionally enable/disable them 15:39:32 <planetmaker> I solved it such that I have 5 townname sets: 4 regions and one summary 15:40:06 <planetmaker> actually 6. The 6th is the random one 15:42:35 <Terkhen> not an option for me; I planned a lot of regions (17) 15:42:52 <planetmaker> yes, so? 15:43:01 <planetmaker> One town set per region and on including all 15:43:14 <Terkhen> what if I want to use three regions? :P 15:43:53 <planetmaker> then you go along the lines of "please, dear Terkhen, I really, really, really need a set for regions A, B and E. Can you include that pretty please, too?" :-P 15:44:30 <planetmaker> well. maybe not you. But all others :-P 15:44:44 <Hirundo> It's possible to do I think, you'd need to define an alternative (emtpy) town names part if a part is skipped, to avoid invalid references 15:45:26 <Hirundo> File a feature request :P 15:46:17 <Terkhen> hmm... I did not think on defining them as different town names parts 15:46:18 <Terkhen> ok :) 15:46:34 <Terkhen> planetmaker: how much combinations would I need to code then? :P 15:48:18 <planetmaker> @calc 17! 15:48:20 <planetmaker> hm 15:48:26 <planetmaker> @calc factorial(17) 15:48:26 <Webster> planetmaker: 355687428096000 15:48:30 <planetmaker> small amount 15:48:37 <planetmaker> @calc 17**2 15:48:37 <Webster> planetmaker: 289 15:48:52 <planetmaker> something in between :-P 15:49:35 <Terkhen> I doubt that the devzone can support that amount of tasks/commits, once you finish with that I'll consider this option :P 15:50:06 *** bodis has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:50:30 <Yexo> @calc 2**17 15:50:31 <Webster> Yexo: 131072 15:50:37 <Yexo> wouldn't that be the amount? 15:51:15 * Terkhen 's math is rusty :P 15:52:13 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Feature Request #2766 (New): Option to define town names conditionally (Terkhen) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2766 15:52:30 <planetmaker> rather: 17 + 17*16 + 17*16*15 + 17*16*15*14 + ... which boils down to the factorial 15:52:47 <planetmaker> though there's a lot of combinations which probably don't make sense ;-) 15:54:16 <Yexo> hmm? 17 sets, which can each be individually turned on or off 15:54:19 <Yexo> that is 2**17 15:54:43 <Yexo> the order doesn't matter, there is no difference between A+B and B+A, which a factorial would imply 15:56:28 <Terkhen> it is good when your work load is reduced by many orders of magnitude :P 16:00:38 <planetmaker> so it's like n over k 16:00:55 <planetmaker> which is n! * (n-k)! / k! 16:00:58 <planetmaker> IIRC 16:01:22 <planetmaker> and that summed for k=1 .. 17/2 16:02:30 <Yexo> I don't follow you there 16:02:41 <planetmaker> choose k from the n=17 16:03:11 <planetmaker> but the k=1... _17/2_ might be wrong 16:03:16 <planetmaker> might be 1 ... 17 16:03:50 <planetmaker> that's the amount of possible combinations 16:03:51 <Yexo> it's quite simply. You have 17 different options, each of which can be toggled on or off individually 16:03:57 <planetmaker> yes. exactly 16:04:15 <Yexo> each options can be on or off 16:04:19 <planetmaker> that is you choose k options from 17 possible ones 16:04:19 <JVassie> what are these 17 options? 16:04:27 <Yexo> so 2 (on/off) ** 17 (number of options) 16:04:29 <planetmaker> nope 16:04:43 <planetmaker> hm. 16:05:07 <planetmaker> maybe :-) 16:05:19 <planetmaker> probably we could show equality ;-) 16:05:32 <Yexo> I think so, yes 16:05:39 <Yexo> only your way is a bit more complicated :p 16:05:45 <planetmaker> :-P *slightly* 16:10:57 <Terkhen> JVassie: I made the mistake of asking a math (rethorical) question :P 16:11:10 <planetmaker> :-D 16:21:07 <JVassie> lol 17:15:31 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:26:29 *** frosch123 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:27:06 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 17:30:37 <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Feature #2763: track classes / railtype support (michi_cc) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2763#change-6930 17:32:49 <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Revision 1:609b5096ffdf: Add: Dummy engine for testing purposes, alo... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/cets/repository/revisions/609b5096ffdf 17:36:05 <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Revision 2:7724ea8c41ea: Add: Support for compile farm (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/cets/repository/revisions/7724ea8c41ea 17:39:55 <Brot6> cets: [nightlies] openSUSE API (osc) not reachable, sleep an hour and try again... 17:47:23 *** Lakie has quit IRC 17:58:28 <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Revision 3:ba623d6444e8: add **~ to .hgignore (johannes) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/cets/repository/revisions/ba623d6444e8 18:01:35 <Ammler> you guys really should use regex 18:01:39 <Ammler> not that silly glob 18:02:49 <planetmaker> Ammler, make a diff for the framework ;-) 18:03:32 <Ammler> planetmaker: or tell me how to ignore "build" but not ".devzone/build" :-) 18:04:02 <Ammler> so easy with regex 18:04:10 <planetmaker> you can use both in a .hgignore 18:04:17 <planetmaker> you can have a glob and a regex section 18:04:35 <Ammler> yeah, I added that in nml but felt bad about :-P 18:14:23 <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Revision 4:1723668d602c: add 32px vehicles and depot offset (Eddi) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/cets/repository/revisions/1723668d602c 18:31:51 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Feature Request #1556 (Closed): nfo output better readable (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1556#change-6931 18:34:32 <Brot6> French Town Names - Bug #2565 (Closed): DevZone compile failed (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2565#change-6933 19:06:30 *** Webster` has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:06:52 *** tneo- has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:07:14 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:07:34 *** pm has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:07:45 <pm> hm....? 19:08:11 <pm> what happens to my IRC? 19:10:22 *** XeryusTC2 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:10:52 *** DJ_Nekkid has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:11:31 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 19:11:31 *** Webster has quit IRC 19:11:31 *** planetmaker has quit IRC 19:11:31 *** DJNekkid has quit IRC 19:11:31 *** XeryusTC has quit IRC 19:11:31 *** tneo has quit IRC 19:11:31 *** michi_cc has quit IRC 19:11:31 *** Webster` is now known as Webster 19:11:32 *** DJ_Nekkid is now known as DJNekkid 19:11:35 *** pm is now known as planetmaker 19:13:25 <frosch> planetmaker: not only yours 19:13:34 <frosch> many from reticulum 19:13:41 * andythenorth wonders what to do 19:13:44 <andythenorth> - play the game 19:13:46 <andythenorth> - make the game 19:13:47 <andythenorth> - nap 19:13:49 <andythenorth> - other 19:13:55 <andythenorth> ? 19:14:02 * Terkhen can't play today 19:14:03 <andythenorth> irc needs a voting app :P 19:14:09 <Terkhen> but feel free to continue if you want :P 19:14:10 <andythenorth> that leaves just 3 options 19:14:16 <frosch> andythenorth: what of those results in the most work for you? :p 19:14:27 <andythenorth> dunno yet 19:14:36 <andythenorth> making the game normally results in work for other people 19:14:40 <andythenorth> as does playing the game 19:14:52 <andythenorth> napping does not have that effect 19:15:59 <Yexo> andy: test new firs version with fixed strings? 19:16:27 <andythenorth> I'll pull 19:16:51 <Yexo> I can push a tag 0.6.5-beta1 too if you want? 19:17:46 <andythenorth> might as well 19:17:55 <andythenorth> upping to specific rev is boring :P 19:19:16 <andythenorth> Yexo: building with lots of errors is expected? 19:19:24 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 2082:aa0e1d601055: Added tag 0.6.5-beta1 for changeset c... (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/aa0e1d601055 19:19:28 <andythenorth> mostly things not referenced 19:19:36 <Yexo> yes, those are warnings and are valid 19:19:57 <planetmaker> firs contains unreferenced stuff? 19:20:08 <Yexo> templates with varaction2's that are not all used 19:20:16 *** michi_cc has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:20:23 <planetmaker> ah 19:20:41 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #2767 (New): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2767 19:21:15 <planetmaker> hm 19:21:35 <Yexo> oh, it tried to use grfcodec 19:21:53 <planetmaker> hm, that's bound to fail 19:21:55 <andythenorth> hmm 19:21:59 <planetmaker> let me check 19:22:11 * andythenorth pilot error 19:22:19 <Terkhen> Yexo: did you manage to fix the string problem automatically? 19:22:20 <Yexo> firs has a special .spec file 19:22:21 <andythenorth> make != make install :P 19:22:25 <Yexo> Terkhen: yes, think so 19:22:35 <Terkhen> great :) 19:22:36 <Yexo> all return values from two callbacks are converted to strings 19:22:51 <andythenorth> hmm 19:23:06 <andythenorth> still can't get 0.6.5-beta1 to show up in game :P 19:23:24 <Yexo> andythenorth: that's because the name of the grf is fixed to the original revision it was converted from 19:23:35 <andythenorth> 2061? 19:23:41 <Yexo> quite possible 19:23:41 *** michi_cc has left #openttdcoop.devzone 19:23:41 *** michi_cc has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:24:12 <planetmaker> is there any reason it has its own spec file? Me wonders 19:24:20 <Yexo> no idea 19:24:39 <Yexo> we could try to remove it together with the nml conversion 19:25:23 <andythenorth> Yexo: strings appear to be ok 19:25:42 <andythenorth> only tested a few, but they looked fine 19:25:47 <planetmaker> it looks to me like nothing really special, Yexo 19:25:55 <andythenorth> is it likely to either 'work' or 'not work' > 19:25:56 <planetmaker> should I commit a removal in this branch? 19:25:56 <andythenorth> ? 19:26:05 <Yexo> planetmaker: can I do that? 19:26:09 <planetmaker> sure 19:26:11 <Yexo> I just committed a fix for the version 19:26:20 <planetmaker> :-) 19:26:24 <Yexo> just rm .devzone/build/firs.spec ? 19:26:34 <planetmaker> yup 19:27:29 <Ammler> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/changes/.devzone/build/firs.spec <-- should tell you why 19:28:05 <Ammler> (Change: use custom build script and generate language log files) 19:28:08 <Yexo> so just language analyze logs? those became useless anyway with the conversion 19:31:07 <Ammler> hmm, why useless? maybe not working, but useless? :-) 19:32:11 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 2083:bd9cf8bdc5a7: Fix: fix version in grf name (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/bd9cf8bdc5a7 19:32:11 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 2084:194a7d3e5f79: Cleanup: remove special .spec file an... (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/194a7d3e5f79 19:32:11 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 2085:206e787bc851: Added tag 0.6.5-beta2 for changeset 1... (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/206e787bc851 19:32:32 <planetmaker> Ammler, yes... But there we then better devise some general means which works for all NML projects then 19:32:38 <planetmaker> and that's actually then much easier 19:33:01 <Brot6> firs: compile of 0.6.5-beta2 still failed (#2767) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/releases/ERROR/0.6.5-beta2 19:36:04 <Ammler> shall I investigate? 19:37:15 <Yexo> please do 19:37:18 <Yexo> be back in half an hour 19:38:32 <Ammler> why did you keep files? 19:50:09 <andythenorth> Ammler: I asked about root on our boxes 19:50:22 <andythenorth> apparently the processes we run su to their own user when started 19:50:25 <andythenorth> or such 19:50:42 <andythenorth> and apparently it's not controversial to do a lot of things as root on freebsd 19:54:18 <Yexo> Ammler: which files? 19:57:20 <Ammler> Yexo: .devzone only listen to default branch 19:57:33 <Ammler> useless to edit .devzone in branch 0.6 19:58:47 <Ammler> andythenorth: I guess you get it wrong 19:58:53 <Yexo> Ammler: why is that? 19:58:55 <Ammler> but doesn't matter 19:59:01 <Yexo> why doesn't it check the .devzone of the tag it checks out? 20:00:22 <Ammler> because then you couldn't change something after it 20:00:39 <Yexo> change what after what? 20:00:56 <Yexo> change the spec after the tag is created? 20:00:56 <Ammler> change settings 20:01:00 <Ammler> yep 20:01:01 <Yexo> that shouldn't be done 20:01:10 <Yexo> a tag is a tag and is immutable 20:01:59 <Ammler> exactly 20:02:24 <Ammler> .devzone is not part of the project itself 20:02:34 <Yexo> but it is 20:02:36 <Yexo> as it's part of the repo 20:02:46 <Ammler> it is devzone settings for project 20:03:09 <Yexo> which includes a spec file. A spec file is always for _one_ version of the project 20:03:15 <Yexo> not for every old version that ever existed 20:03:33 <Ammler> I wonder, if it still would work, when we simply update to the version before I read the settings 20:03:47 <Yexo> if I pushed a new tag to firs now for the same repo as version 0.1, it'd most likely fail because that version doesn't work either with the current spec 20:04:42 <Yexo> if you know another solution that's fine with me too 20:04:49 <Ammler> I guess, it wouldn't hurt anymore 20:05:04 <Yexo> but I'd like very much to be able to compile firs 0.6.5-beta* with nml without switching firs-trunk to nml too 20:05:31 <Ammler> well, you could/should have made a fork 20:05:32 <andythenorth> Ammler: our sysadmins also made some rude comments wrt "don't use root" advice prevalent for linux and OS X communities :P 20:05:33 <Yexo> if there is an error in the tag, simply push a new one (see above for 0.6.5-beta1 that was accidentally broken, so I pushed beta2) 20:05:43 <Yexo> but a branch _is_ a fork, just in the same repo 20:05:53 <Ammler> andythenorth: as said, you got it wrong 20:06:12 <Ammler> it was not meant as rule 20:06:26 <Ammler> like, if you do, you fail 20:06:30 <andythenorth> ok 20:06:32 <andythenorth> makes sense 20:06:40 <Ammler> I use root a lot 20:06:44 <planetmaker> Ammler, I very much agree with Yexo here. Specs belong to a version and a specific version only 20:06:57 <Ammler> It was meant as a rule for dummies/newbies 20:07:14 * andythenorth should read how pyramid is best hosted for production 20:07:26 <andythenorth> e.g. whether it should have it's own user and such 20:07:28 <Ammler> planetmaker: yes, but .devzone spec is not a sepc useable for the project 20:07:53 <planetmaker> for what then? 20:08:11 <Ammler> for the devzone 20:08:57 <Ammler> those are devzone customizations not rules how to build the project 20:09:01 <planetmaker> Nope. The DevZone is a tool. The spec is the rule how to use the tool 20:09:09 <Ammler> exactly 20:09:18 <planetmaker> thus the .devzone is part of the project 20:09:26 <Ammler> and those rules are useable only for the devzone 20:09:30 <planetmaker> the makefile is also not part of make but of the project 20:09:38 <planetmaker> a makefile is also only usable with make 20:09:42 <Ammler> I can't use that spec file to build nml on suse, for example 20:09:59 <planetmaker> I can't use a .deb file either for that 20:10:05 <planetmaker> or however that is called 20:10:08 <Ammler> yes, the makefile is quite much part of the project 20:10:31 <Ammler> never mind 20:10:42 <Ammler> I guess, we can change that 20:11:06 <Ammler> it is only useful for new projects, if you add .devzone after 20:11:19 <Ammler> but when you know, you need to that before, it should not hurt 20:12:22 <planetmaker> "do that" = do what? 20:12:23 <Yexo> and if you forgot, than you have one version that can't be compiled by the cf 20:12:31 <Yexo> fix it, push a new version and you're done 20:12:47 <Yexo> planetmaker: add ".devzone" and friends to the repo before pushing a tag 20:12:55 <planetmaker> yes 20:13:07 <planetmaker> that's ok. 20:14:26 <Ammler> hmm, I guess, I can't change 20:14:51 <Ammler> DISABLED="`hg cat -rdefault .devzone/build/$BRANCH/enable 2>&1 1>/dev/null`" <-- the script starts with something like that 20:15:23 <Ammler> $BRANCH has nothing to do with hg 20:15:35 <Yexo> so? 20:15:50 <Yexo> either do "hg up default" or "hg up tag" before that? 20:15:53 <Ammler> so tell me, what shall I change -rdefautl to? 20:16:08 <Yexo> for nighlies keep default, for tags use the tag name 20:17:08 <Yexo> you already know $BRANCH at that point apparently, so you already know whether it's a tag or nightly 20:17:53 <Ammler> but I don't know the version 20:18:12 <planetmaker> eh? 20:18:44 <Ammler> mäh, why do you make such complicated things 20:18:48 <Ammler> :-P 20:18:52 <Yexo> Ammler: where is that script? 20:19:19 <Ammler> https://hg.openttdcoop.org/misc/file/7e17f09d90ac/compiler/scheduler.sh 20:20:25 <Ammler> planetmaker: something like that would also fail, if the settings would be part of the project in redmine 20:20:38 <Ammler> like you wanted once 20:21:12 <Ammler> easiest solution would be fork (second repo) for firs-nml 20:21:31 <planetmaker> you're right with that, Ammler 20:21:39 <Ammler> hmm, no 20:21:40 <planetmaker> but I disagree that a fork is desirable here 20:21:44 <planetmaker> :-) 20:21:46 <Ammler> then it would change the name 20:22:17 <andythenorth> what problem are we fixing? 20:22:27 <Ammler> good example to demo how stupid it is to add new feature to an old stable branch 20:22:36 <andythenorth> once FIRS is converted to nml, doesn't this problem go away? 20:22:52 <Yexo> andy: yes, somewhat 20:23:01 <andythenorth> how much somewhat? 20:23:02 <andythenorth> 90% 20:23:03 <Yexo> but not really, since than the cf wouldn't be able to compile old FIRS versions anymore 20:23:07 <andythenorth> ? 20:23:09 <andythenorth> 30%? 20:23:23 <andythenorth> so fork the old version into a maintenance branch 20:23:24 <Yexo> it wouldn't be a problem for new releases, just for recompiling old ones 20:23:29 <andythenorth> or that screws with the name? 20:23:31 <Ammler> Yexo: we could "merge" the settings to default and revert it after release (as workaround until devzone v2) 20:23:32 <Yexo> the problem is that that doesn't help 20:23:38 <andythenorth> ho hey 20:23:58 <andythenorth> it's a significant architecture change, there will be some casualties of battle :P 20:24:31 * andythenorth will have a beer to help this along 20:24:39 <Ammler> Yexo: .devzone is only used by DevZone, that is why I never have to care about building older releases 20:24:45 <Ammler> (again) 20:25:22 <Ammler> I am aware that this might be unlogical but at least it is why it is that way :-) 20:25:24 <Yexo> it'd be nice if the results from the devzone would be reproducible 20:25:47 <Ammler> they are, I can run the script local too 20:25:56 <Ammler> just needs osc 20:26:01 <planetmaker> Ammler, but not an earlier version ;-) 20:26:07 <Ammler> I don't need that 20:26:16 <Ammler> we don't need that now either 20:26:17 <planetmaker> that's the point. Thus it's not reproducable 20:26:22 <Ammler> it is another issue we have 20:26:49 <Ammler> planetmaker: you can always use clone -r 20:27:12 <Ammler> (or strip) 20:30:03 <Ammler> I will try to make it work 20:30:13 <Ammler> as devzone v2 can take another year :-) 20:32:38 <planetmaker> you start to sound like TB with WT 3.1 or similar things ;-) 20:33:38 * andythenorth has talked about bananas 2 more than written code for it :P 20:34:05 <Brot6> DevZone Help Center - Revision 143:2f51d40d470a: [Compiler] Backup before change to version depen... (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/home/repository/revisions/2f51d40d470a 20:42:33 <Brot6> firs: compile of 0.6.5-beta2 still failed (#2767) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/releases/ERROR/0.6.5-beta2 20:53:33 <Brot6> firs: compile of 0.6.5-beta2 still failed (#2767) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/releases/ERROR/0.6.5-beta2 20:54:12 *** tneo- is now known as tneo 21:01:08 <Brot6> firs: compile of 0.6.5-beta2 still failed (#2767) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/releases/ERROR/0.6.5-beta2 21:04:32 <Brot6> firs: compile of 0.6.5-beta2 still failed (#2767) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/releases/ERROR/0.6.5-beta2 21:18:48 <Yexo> Ammler: if you can't work it out I'll take another look at the script tomorrow 21:19:07 <Yexo> good night 21:20:03 <Brot6> firs: compile of 0.6.5-beta2 still failed (#2767) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/releases/ERROR/0.6.5-beta2 21:20:07 <planetmaker> good night, Yexo 21:21:30 <Ammler> he, I didn't care about the irc output 21:24:15 <Ammler> thanks for the offer :-) 21:24:36 <Ammler> there are too many -rdefault, -rtip and such in the script :-) 21:45:51 <planetmaker> good night 21:51:23 *** frosch has quit IRC 21:55:47 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 22:32:18 *** bodis has quit IRC 22:44:40 *** JVassie has quit IRC 23:11:10 <Brot6> firs: update from 0.6.4 to 0.6.5-beta2 done (2169 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/releases/0.6.5-beta2 23:15:02 <Brot6> cets: update from to r4 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/cets/nightlies/r4 23:16:21 <Brot6> firs.nml: update from to r2081 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs.nml/nightlies/r2081 23:19:26 <Brot6> nml: update from r1430 23:19:26 <Brot6> r2081 to r1436 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/nml/nightlies/r1436 23:19:50 <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: 2cctrainset (r750), 32bpp-extra (r40), ai-admiralai (r75), ai-aroai (r39), ailib-common (r21), ailib-direction (r17), ailib-list (r32), ailib-string (r29), ailib-tile (r16), airportsplus (r104), basecosts (r25), belarusiantowns (r8), bros (r52), chips (r143), comic-houses (r71), firs (r2081), fish (r653), frenchtowns (r6), german-townnames (r34), grfcodec (r832), grfpack (r279), heqs 23:19:50 <Brot6> (r605), indonesiantowns (r41), manindu (r7), metrotrackset (r56), narvs (r37), newgrf_makefile (r296), nutracks (r202), ogfx-industries (r119), ogfx-landscape (r69), ogfx-rv (r107), ogfx-trains (r245), ogfx-trees (r50), opengfx (r678), openmsx (r97), opensfx (r97), smts (r19), snowlinemod (r49), spanishtowns (r10), sub-landscape (ERROR r66), sub-opengfx (ERROR r666), swedishrails (r202), swisstowns (r22), transrapidtrackset (r15), 23:19:52 <Brot6> ttdviewer (r34), ttrs (r36), worldairlinersset (r672) 23:20:54 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Airports - Bug #2768 (New): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2768 23:20:54 <Brot6> Belarusian Town Names - Bug #2769 (New): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2769 23:20:54 <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Bug #2770 (New): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2770 23:20:54 <Brot6> French Town Names - Bug #2771 (New): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2771 23:20:56 <Brot6> German town names - Bug #2772 (New): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2772 23:20:59 <Brot6> Indonesian Town Names - Bug #2773 (New): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2773 23:21:02 <Brot6> Manual Industries - Bug #2774 (New): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2774 23:21:05 <Brot6> North American Road Vehicle Set - Bug #2775 (New): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2775 23:21:08 <Brot6> Example NewGRF Project - Bug #2776 (New): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2776 23:21:33 <Brot6> sub-landscape: compile of r66 still failed (#2616) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/sub-landscape/nightlies/ERROR/r66 23:21:36 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Industries - Bug #2777 (New): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2777 23:21:36 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Landscape - Bug #2778 (New): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2778 23:21:36 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Road Vehicles - Bug #2779 (New): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2779 23:21:36 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Bug #2780 (New): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2780 23:21:38 <Brot6> Spanish Town Names - Bug #2781 (New): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2781 23:22:30 <Brot6> sub-opengfx: compile of r666 still failed (#2586) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/sub-opengfx/nightlies/ERROR/r666 23:23:13 <Brot6> Swedish Rails - Bug #2782 (New): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2782 23:23:13 <Brot6> Swiss Town Names - Bug #2783 (New): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2783 23:25:54 <Brot6> ogfx-industries: compile of r120 still failed (#2777) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/ogfx-industries/nightlies/ERROR/r120 23:26:00 <Brot6> ogfx-landscape: compile of r70 still failed (#2778) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/ogfx-landscape/nightlies/ERROR/r70 23:26:12 <Ammler> scheisse 23:26:35 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Landscape - Revision 70:b29eb021f94d: Codechange: use 'sprite' instead of the deprecated... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-landscape/repository/revisions/b29eb021f94d 23:26:35 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Industries - Revision 120:db8368269e1c: Codechange: use 'sprite' instead of the deprecat... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-industries/repository/revisions/db8368269e1c 23:30:13 <Brot6> airportsplus: compile of r105 still failed (#2768) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/airportsplus/nightlies/ERROR/r105 23:30:29 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Airports - Revision 105:7336415d672b: Codechange: use 'sprite' instead of the deprecated... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/airportsplus/repository/revisions/7336415d672b