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05:12:21 *** bodis has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 05:40:31 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 05:43:41 *** bodis has quit IRC 05:49:29 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 06:48:25 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 07:35:15 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 08:23:32 <Terkhen> there has been more FIRS feedback than I expected :) 08:28:57 <andythenorth> I am quite pleased with it 08:29:05 <andythenorth> asking via the forums is usually quite productive 08:31:18 <Ammler> I am suprised too, was wrong with only bananas release will be tested :-) 08:31:40 <Terkhen> it's also the best kind of feedback: "everything works, I'm having fun" :P 08:32:37 <Ammler> does nml also have a kind of language file testing? 08:39:41 <Terkhen> what do you mean? 08:39:46 <andythenorth> not sure I agree with Joel here...but: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/BetaTest.html 08:39:47 <Webster> Title: Top Twelve Tips for Running a Beta Test - Joel on Software (at www.joelonsoftware.com) 08:43:33 <Ammler> Terkhen: is there a replacement for your language script? 08:43:55 <Terkhen> no, but it could be changed easily to work with nml format 08:46:13 <Ammler> well, it might make sense to add that to nml 08:54:55 <Terkhen> yes, I guess we could convert it too as part of the process 09:45:17 *** DayDreamer has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 09:45:22 *** DayDreamer has left #openttdcoop.devzone 09:48:03 *** ODM has quit IRC 10:55:05 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 11:26:28 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Feature Request #2815 (New): new properity: minimal required nmlc version (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2815 11:27:11 <Hirundo> Ammler: Where would this property be set? 11:33:02 <Ammler> Hirundo: e.g. in grf ? 11:33:08 <Ammler> or a sep 11:33:13 <Ammler> that is up2you 11:33:27 <Ammler> should not be part of the final nfo 11:34:12 <Ammler> it should simply exit 1 with the message to update 11:35:14 <Hirundo> with only a 'minimum NML version' property, downgrading to a working NML version is not possible 11:45:27 <Ammler> that does not make sense to define a min version and then downgrade to a lower version, 11:46:04 <Hirundo> tbh, I don't really like the idea to have each user specify their own NML version, IMO they should use either tip or 0.1 branch 11:46:16 <Ammler> for debugging, you could add a command attribute like --skip-vcheck 11:46:42 <Ammler> that is why I would only define min-version 11:46:50 <Ammler> not specific version or max 11:47:04 <Ammler> no =>< 11:47:27 <Hirundo> Since tip is always used on devonze, what's the use of a min version? 11:47:37 <Ammler> tip fails 11:47:45 <Ammler> so you fix nml 11:47:54 <Ammler> the failed project doesn't rebuild 11:48:15 <Yexo> I thought all failed projects would be rebuild if any dependency were rebuild? 11:48:17 <Hirundo> perhaps, NML projects should rebuild on NML changes 11:48:17 <Ammler> well, it does but not immediately 11:48:41 <Ammler> it rebuilds on next nightly run 11:49:07 <Ammler> oh no 11:49:21 <Ammler> nml itself did not fail 11:49:26 <Ammler> ah majonaise 11:49:45 <Yexo> if we were to include such a min_version property it should imo only contain release versions 11:51:36 <Ammler> it does not build until the revision changes 11:51:47 <Ammler> as the revision is marked as "bad" 11:52:51 <Ammler> with updateing nml min-version, you would commit a new revsion 11:53:03 <Yexo> why then did ogfx+industries rebuild last night? 11:55:27 <Ammler> because the rebuild failed 11:55:46 <Ammler> there is a working and error bundle with same revision 11:56:14 <Ammler> (quite a indicater that the issue might be on nml) 11:57:02 <Ammler> ogfx-trees (ERROR r51) is new 11:57:16 <Ammler> hmm 11:58:42 <Ammler> I need to check how ogfx-trees does rebuild 11:59:29 <Ammler> ah damn 11:59:34 <Ammler> that is grfcodec project :-P 12:01:29 <Ammler> please feel free to reject my ticket 12:01:46 <Ammler> It just became useless for the compile farm :-( 12:01:54 <Brot6> ogfx-trees: update from r50 to r51 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/ogfx-trees/nightlies/r51 12:04:45 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Feature Request #2815: new properity: minimal required nmlc version (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2815#change-6982 12:16:52 *** avdg has quit IRC 12:16:52 *** DJNekkid has quit IRC 12:16:52 *** V453000 has quit IRC 12:16:52 *** avdg has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:16:52 *** DJNekkid has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:16:52 *** Brot6 is now known as Guest299 12:16:52 *** V453000 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:16:52 *** Brot6 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:16:52 *** Brot6 has quit IRC 12:17:13 *** Brot6 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:19:23 *** Guest299 has quit IRC 12:54:46 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Bug #2816 (New): livery overrides (Hirundo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2816 13:40:45 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 13:44:04 *** Lakie has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 13:51:41 *** Lakie has quit IRC 15:12:45 <planetmaker> andythenorth: did DanMacK tell you that he's taking spriting hiatus? 15:14:01 <andythenorth> he told me by default 15:14:06 <andythenorth> :P 15:14:25 <andythenorth> we discussed it - he's had no motivation to it for a few months 15:14:43 <andythenorth> he was hoping to get his mojo back doing some FISH sprites, but hasn't sent any :) 15:18:15 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Feature Request #2761 (Reopened): Allow direct variable access in return s... (Hirundo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2761#change-6983 16:50:31 <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Feature #2763: track classes / railtype support (michi_cc) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2763#change-6984 16:58:20 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:04:04 <andythenorth> why don't we use git hub? 17:04:09 <andythenorth> I don't mean 'we should' 17:04:18 <andythenorth> I mean "what are the reasons" 17:06:16 <michi_cc> The majority of contributors seems to prefer mercurial over git. 17:07:05 <michi_cc> is not the majority :) 17:07:26 <michi_cc> s/is/I'm/ 17:13:21 <Ammler> andythenorth: you miss the forking? 17:13:26 <Ammler> or what you miss from there? 17:13:45 <andythenorth> I don't know anything about it (or git) 17:13:52 <Ammler> so why do yo ask? 17:13:56 <andythenorth> I am thinking about it for a work context 17:14:05 <andythenorth> alternatives to trac + svn 17:14:17 <andythenorth> + using a hosted service removes all maintenance headache 17:14:18 <planetmaker> my very subjective and personal view is: hg was easier to get into 17:14:30 <Ammler> there is bitbucket as github alternative for hg 17:14:38 <Terkhen> bitbucket is nice and simple 17:14:43 <planetmaker> and bitbucket is the same as github 17:14:49 <planetmaker> just in green ;-) 17:14:55 <Terkhen> I have never used git/github :) 17:14:55 <Ammler> there is also something for bazaar 17:15:16 <planetmaker> btw... http://philsturgeon.co.uk/blog/2010/07/bitbucket-or-github <-- use both, github and bitbucket :-P 17:15:17 <Webster> Title: BitBucket or GitHub? Use both! | Blog | Phil Sturgeon (at philsturgeon.co.uk) 17:15:26 <Ammler> wigh hg bookmarks, you should not miss any git feature anymore 17:15:34 <Ammler> and you have a much faster vcs :-) 17:17:23 <Ammler> and I always said, if there is interest, we could also support git on the devzone 17:18:32 <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: 2cctrainset (r750), 32bpp-extra (r40), ai-admiralai (r75), ai-aroai (r39), ailib-common (r21), ailib-direction (r17), ailib-list (r32), ailib-string (r29), ailib-tile (r16), airportsplus (r107), basecosts (r25), belarusiantowns (r8), bros (r52), cets (r5), chips (r143), comic-houses (r71), firs (r2095), firs.nml (r2081), fish (r653), frenchtowns (r6), german-townnames (r34), grfcodec 17:18:33 <Brot6> (r832), grfpack (r279), heqs (r605), indonesiantowns (r41), manindu (r7), metrotrackset (r56), narvs (r37), newgrf_makefile (r296), nml (r1486), nutracks (r202), ogfx-industries (r121), ogfx-landscape (r70), ogfx-rv (r107), ogfx-trains (r245), ogfx-trees (r51), opengfx (r678), openmsx (r97), opensfx (r97), smts (r19), snowlinemod (r49), spanishtowns (r10), sub-landscape (ERROR r66), sub-opengfx (ERROR r666), swedishrails (r202), 17:18:34 <Brot6> swisstowns (r22), transrapidtrackset (r15), ttdviewer (r34), ttrs (r36), worldairlinersset (r672) 17:20:43 <Brot6> narvs: compile of r37 still failed (#2789) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/narvs/nightlies/ERROR/r37 17:21:06 <Brot6> ogfx-industries: compile of r121 still failed (#2792) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/ogfx-industries/nightlies/ERROR/r121 17:21:42 <Brot6> sub-landscape: compile of r66 still failed (#2616) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/sub-landscape/nightlies/ERROR/r66 17:22:27 <Brot6> sub-opengfx: compile of r666 still failed (#2586) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/sub-opengfx/nightlies/ERROR/r666 17:30:09 *** frosch123 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:54:12 *** bodis has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:23:50 *** JVassie has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:35:53 *** andythenorth is now known as Guest340 19:35:54 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:36:50 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 19:37:13 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:16:23 *** ODM has quit IRC 20:16:50 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:44:31 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 21:20:36 *** JVassie_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:25:00 *** JVassie has quit IRC 21:39:31 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 21:51:00 *** JVassie_ has quit IRC 22:13:43 *** bodis has quit IRC 22:30:23 *** ODM has quit IRC