Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 29th June 2011:
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08:23:32  <Terkhen> there has been more FIRS feedback than I expected :)
08:28:57  <andythenorth> I am quite pleased with it
08:29:05  <andythenorth> asking via the forums is usually quite productive
08:31:18  <Ammler> I am suprised too, was wrong with only bananas release will be tested :-)
08:31:40  <Terkhen> it's also the best kind of feedback: "everything works, I'm having fun" :P
08:32:37  <Ammler> does nml also have a kind of language file testing?
08:39:41  <Terkhen> what do you mean?
08:39:46  <andythenorth> not sure I agree with Joel here...but:
08:39:47  <Webster> Title: Top Twelve Tips for Running a Beta Test - Joel on Software (at
08:43:33  <Ammler> Terkhen: is there a replacement for your language script?
08:43:55  <Terkhen> no, but it could be changed easily to work with nml format
08:46:13  <Ammler>  well, it might make sense to add that to nml
08:54:55  <Terkhen> yes, I guess we could convert it too as part of the process
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11:26:28  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Feature Request #2815 (New): new properity: minimal required nmlc version (Ammler) @
11:27:11  <Hirundo> Ammler: Where would this property be set?
11:33:02  <Ammler> Hirundo: e.g. in grf ?
11:33:08  <Ammler> or a sep
11:33:13  <Ammler> that is up2you
11:33:27  <Ammler> should not be part of the final nfo
11:34:12  <Ammler> it should simply exit 1 with the message to update
11:35:14  <Hirundo> with only a 'minimum NML version' property, downgrading to a working NML version is not possible
11:45:27  <Ammler> that does not make sense to define a min version and then downgrade to a lower version,
11:46:04  <Hirundo> tbh, I don't really like the idea to have each user specify their own NML version, IMO they should use either tip or 0.1 branch
11:46:16  <Ammler> for debugging, you could add a command attribute like --skip-vcheck
11:46:42  <Ammler> that is why I would only define min-version
11:46:50  <Ammler> not specific version or max
11:47:04  <Ammler> no =><
11:47:27  <Hirundo> Since tip is always used on devonze, what's the use of a min version?
11:47:37  <Ammler> tip fails
11:47:45  <Ammler> so you fix nml
11:47:54  <Ammler> the failed project doesn't rebuild
11:48:15  <Yexo> I thought all failed projects would be rebuild if any dependency were rebuild?
11:48:17  <Hirundo> perhaps, NML projects should rebuild on NML changes
11:48:17  <Ammler> well, it does but not immediately
11:48:41  <Ammler> it rebuilds on next nightly run
11:49:07  <Ammler> oh no
11:49:21  <Ammler> nml itself did not fail
11:49:26  <Ammler> ah majonaise
11:49:45  <Yexo> if we were to include such a min_version property it should imo only contain release versions
11:51:36  <Ammler> it does not build until the revision changes
11:51:47  <Ammler> as the revision is marked as "bad"
11:52:51  <Ammler> with updateing nml min-version, you would commit a new revsion
11:53:03  <Yexo> why then did ogfx+industries rebuild last night?
11:55:27  <Ammler> because the rebuild failed
11:55:46  <Ammler> there is a working and error bundle with same revision
11:56:14  <Ammler> (quite a indicater that the issue might be on nml)
11:57:02  <Ammler> ogfx-trees (ERROR r51) is new
11:57:16  <Ammler> hmm
11:58:42  <Ammler> I need to check how ogfx-trees does rebuild
11:59:29  <Ammler> ah damn
11:59:34  <Ammler> that is grfcodec project :-P
12:01:29  <Ammler> please feel free to reject my ticket
12:01:46  <Ammler> It just became useless for the compile farm :-(
12:01:54  <Brot6> ogfx-trees: update from r50 to r51 done -
12:04:45  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Feature Request #2815: new properity: minimal required nmlc version (Ammler) @
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12:54:46  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Bug #2816 (New): livery overrides (Hirundo) @
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15:12:45  <planetmaker> andythenorth: did DanMacK tell you that he's taking spriting hiatus?
15:14:01  <andythenorth> he told me by default
15:14:06  <andythenorth> :P
15:14:25  <andythenorth> we discussed it - he's had no motivation to it for a few months
15:14:43  <andythenorth> he was hoping to get his mojo back doing some FISH sprites, but hasn't sent any :)
15:18:15  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Feature Request #2761 (Reopened): Allow direct variable access in return s... (Hirundo) @
16:50:31  <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Feature #2763: track classes / railtype support (michi_cc) @
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17:04:04  <andythenorth> why don't we use git hub?
17:04:09  <andythenorth> I don't mean 'we should'
17:04:18  <andythenorth> I mean "what are the reasons"
17:06:16  <michi_cc> The majority of contributors seems to prefer mercurial over git.
17:07:05  <michi_cc> is not the majority :)
17:07:26  <michi_cc> s/is/I'm/
17:13:21  <Ammler> andythenorth: you miss the forking?
17:13:26  <Ammler> or what you miss from there?
17:13:45  <andythenorth> I don't know anything about it (or git)
17:13:52  <Ammler> so why do yo ask?
17:13:56  <andythenorth> I am thinking about it for a work context
17:14:05  <andythenorth> alternatives to trac + svn
17:14:17  <andythenorth> + using a hosted service removes all maintenance headache
17:14:18  <planetmaker> my very subjective and personal view is: hg was easier to get into
17:14:30  <Ammler> there is bitbucket as github alternative for hg
17:14:38  <Terkhen> bitbucket is nice and simple
17:14:43  <planetmaker> and bitbucket is the same as github
17:14:49  <planetmaker> just in green ;-)
17:14:55  <Terkhen> I have never used git/github :)
17:14:55  <Ammler> there is also something for bazaar
17:15:16  <planetmaker> btw... <-- use both, github and bitbucket :-P
17:15:17  <Webster> Title: BitBucket or GitHub? Use both! | Blog | Phil Sturgeon (at
17:15:26  <Ammler> wigh hg bookmarks, you should not miss any git feature anymore
17:15:34  <Ammler> and you have a much faster vcs :-)
17:17:23  <Ammler> and I always said, if there is interest, we could also support git on the devzone
17:18:32  <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: 2cctrainset (r750), 32bpp-extra (r40), ai-admiralai (r75), ai-aroai (r39), ailib-common (r21), ailib-direction (r17), ailib-list (r32), ailib-string (r29), ailib-tile (r16), airportsplus (r107), basecosts (r25), belarusiantowns (r8), bros (r52), cets (r5), chips (r143), comic-houses (r71), firs (r2095), firs.nml (r2081), fish (r653), frenchtowns (r6), german-townnames (r34), grfcodec
17:18:33  <Brot6> (r832), grfpack (r279), heqs (r605), indonesiantowns (r41), manindu (r7), metrotrackset (r56), narvs (r37), newgrf_makefile (r296), nml (r1486), nutracks (r202), ogfx-industries (r121), ogfx-landscape (r70), ogfx-rv (r107), ogfx-trains (r245), ogfx-trees (r51), opengfx (r678), openmsx (r97), opensfx (r97), smts (r19), snowlinemod (r49), spanishtowns (r10), sub-landscape (ERROR r66), sub-opengfx (ERROR r666), swedishrails (r202),
17:18:34  <Brot6> swisstowns (r22), transrapidtrackset (r15), ttdviewer (r34), ttrs (r36), worldairlinersset (r672)
17:20:43  <Brot6> narvs: compile of r37 still failed (#2789) -
17:21:06  <Brot6> ogfx-industries: compile of r121 still failed (#2792) -
17:21:42  <Brot6> sub-landscape: compile of r66 still failed (#2616) -
17:22:27  <Brot6> sub-opengfx: compile of r666 still failed (#2586) -
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