Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 31st August 2011:
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02:14:52  <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Feature #3013: Early steam engines (oberhuemer) @
07:13:36  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1646:6c165aa0ec93: Fix: catch IOError from and follo... (yexo) @
07:16:17  <planetmaker> moin
07:36:49  <Brot6> DictatorAI - Revision 177:2e8b5b3468df: - Check aircraft engine is buildable before selecting it (krinn) @
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08:41:20  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Bug #3018 (Closed): Handling of unsupported image formats (Hirundo) @
08:41:21  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Bug #3018 (Closed): Handling of unsupported image formats (yexo) @
11:40:39  <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Airports - Revision 134:c945c18e3e90: Feature: Preview graphics and text for all airport... (dnicholls) @
11:47:20  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1647:4fdd9151028f: Change: string commands in language files are ... (yexo) @
11:47:20  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1648:3de677e641fd: Add: parse position information in string comm... (yexo) @
11:47:20  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1649:e52a34efb4cb: Feature: implement referencing the non-first e... (yexo) @
11:56:07  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1650:aee9367cf42e: Cleanup: remove {ROTATE} tag as it is not need... (yexo) @
12:30:26  <planetmaker> and thus opengfx repo got 1MB bigger :-P
12:30:54  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Revision 730:1a5039408c39: Fix #2981: Provide new sprites for the actually used types o... (planetmaker) @
12:30:54  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Bug #2981 (Closed): Sprites for river mouths (planetmaker) @
12:33:10  <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Feature #2924: Prussian steam engines - sprites (oberhuemer) @
12:33:51  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1651:ccd27c3e0828: Fix: automatically set the proper offset for {... (yexo) @
12:37:09  <Yexo> let's see how many nml projects I broke :p
12:37:33  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1652:303ca8e712c8: Fix: validation of strings went wrong (yexo) @
12:44:14  <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Airports - Feature #3020 (New): Toyland versions of airports (planetmaker) @
12:45:26  <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Airports - Feature #3020: Toyland versions of airports (planetmaker) @
12:46:25  <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Airports - Feature #3020: Toyland versions of airports (yexo) @
12:46:52  <Yexo> yes! :) Everything still builds
12:47:05  <^Spike^> ....
12:47:22  <Yexo> just a few warnings for FIRS and ogfx-industries
12:47:49  <^Spike^> oh.... i try to avoid the build area of ottdc... only i prob have to if i want to setup backup stuff....
12:48:04  <^Spike^> :)
12:48:30  <Yexo> it had nothing directly to do with ottdc, just with some changes to nml
12:48:37  <^Spike^> ah
12:48:38  <^Spike^> a
12:48:49  <planetmaker> :-)
12:52:35  <Yexo> planetmaker: can I remove the unused ST_INFO_CLOSE_IF_NO_DELIVERY, STR_INFO_MIGHT_CLOSE and STR_INFO_NO_CARGO_DELIVERED strings from firs?
12:52:57  <V453000> is ottdc some sort of evil prohibited cultism?
12:57:46  <planetmaker> hm... I left them so far as they might be put to use again
12:58:17  <Yexo> but currently they make no sense
12:58:25  <Yexo> "...within:{}{WHITE}  month"
12:58:30  <planetmaker> That's right. Ah...
12:58:31  <Yexo> WHITE month?
12:58:40  <planetmaker> there's missing a stack number reference.
12:58:43  <planetmaker> Well, just remove them
12:59:01  <planetmaker> if it's added again, it'll be done anew
12:59:04  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 2558:0506528a4581: Codechange: some string commands chan... (yexo) @
12:59:06  <planetmaker> and probably different anyway
12:59:59  <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Feature #2924: Prussian steam engines - sprites (oberhuemer) @
13:00:11  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature Request #3011: More natural river edges (dz-reporter) @
13:01:16  <planetmaker> is that you, Ammler ^ ?
13:02:07  <Ammler> oh, mäh
13:02:39  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 2559:7e3fd5dd01ed: Cleanup: remove a few unused (and bro... (yexo) @
13:02:47  <Ammler> you have alternatives?
13:02:56  <Ammler> or why do you assign it?
13:03:28  <planetmaker> I have no alternatives really yet
13:03:46  <planetmaker> But the fix of the river mouths is just the first step of what I want to do to rivers ;-)
13:03:46  <Ammler> but you don't want oberhümer to draw some? :-)
13:04:04  <Ammler> ok, sorry :-P
13:04:40  <planetmaker> the source file already contains some more parts and possibilities
13:04:49  <planetmaker> by activating different layers
13:04:55  <planetmaker> like half-snow rivers
13:05:02  <planetmaker> and the no-grid rivers
13:07:37  <planetmaker> and the whole code has to be re-written
13:07:56  <planetmaker> so far I just replaced sprites... but some more random options or so for some places... will be nice
13:08:07  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature Request #3011: More natural river edges (planetmaker) @
13:19:05  <planetmaker> Rivers also IMHO should get other water. Which they can get
13:19:13  <planetmaker> the ocean waves don't look too great on them
13:20:29  <planetmaker> the only thing which I now wonder: does the fix of the river shores warrant a new OpenGFX release? ;-)
13:21:00  <planetmaker> maybe I wait a bit... and play around a bit with river mouth graphics
13:21:06  <planetmaker> to make it look better
13:21:31  <Ammler> hehe, you know my answer :-P
13:21:37  <planetmaker> yup :-P
13:21:47  <planetmaker> but it'd be a release just with rivers
13:22:26  <Ammler> well, the question is rather is it a fix or a feature :-)
13:22:45  <Ammler> fixes always valid a release
13:22:49  <planetmaker> it's a fix
13:23:13  <planetmaker> but I just see.... transparent locks are very ugly, too
13:23:14  <Ammler> they just depend on the mood of the release maintainer :-P
13:25:24  <planetmaker> :-)
13:25:47  <planetmaker> the release maintainer has it ripe for a few days before shipping ;-)
13:26:38  <planetmaker> unless someone works on something else in OpenGFX to make a good second "excuse" ;-)
14:04:58  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1653:906532abb8d3: Feature: Statically parsed string arguments (yexo) @
14:27:42  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 2560:6cbfaf5533d4: Codechange: make use of new nml strin... (yexo) @
14:28:13  <Yexo> FIRS r2560 requires NML r1653 (or newer)
14:28:15  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 2561:3d0fc17de321: Cleanup: FIRS already requires opentt... (yexo) @
14:42:51  <Yexo> firs has varaction2's with over 50 operators/variables
14:44:12  <planetmaker> :-)
14:44:28  <planetmaker> I'm not surprised to be honest
14:44:44  <Yexo> over a 100 even
14:44:58  <planetmaker> alone the fences may require some operations, if used. Then add ground-tile awareness...
14:45:00  <Yexo> the produce_secondary.pnml template
14:45:03  <planetmaker> ah
14:45:06  <planetmaker> :-D
14:45:25  <planetmaker> NML makes it easy to hide it
14:45:49  <Yexo> well, yes, but those are also 20 / 50 lines in nml
14:46:11  <planetmaker> it are. But it actually is understandable somewhat ;-)
14:46:20  <Yexo> exactly
14:46:44  <Yexo> STR_ERR_CLIMATE_TOYLAND                                                         :{ORANGE}FIRS is not designed to be used with Toyland climate
14:46:48  <Yexo> ^^ that string is in german.lng
14:46:55  <planetmaker> :-)
14:47:09  <Yexo> and there is a new string
14:47:14  <planetmaker> hm... I wonder whether I copied those strings and forgot translations
14:47:43  <planetmaker> I'll update translations prior to the next release
14:48:06  <planetmaker> but I should make a note on that string
14:48:45  <Yexo> the strings below that are english too
14:48:58  <planetmaker> probably all STR_ERR...
14:49:02  <Yexo> in fact I removed like 20 strings that were english in r2560
14:49:13  <Yexo> except for the (new?) STR_ERR_LOCATION ones
14:49:28  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #3021 (New): German translation (planetmaker) @
14:49:29  <planetmaker> yes... I copied them and overlooked them
14:49:40  <planetmaker> you removed those strings from German?
14:50:01  <Yexo> see the commit, only because I've removed them from english too
14:50:15  <planetmaker> hu... all those ERR... ?
14:50:20  <Yexo> yes :)
14:50:26  <Yexo> replaced by one generic version
14:50:48  <Ammler> oh, the minimum rows have changed...
14:50:58  <planetmaker> oh :-)
14:51:09  <planetmaker> sweet one
14:51:27  <Yexo> those strings had been bothering me for a while, but so far there was no way to clean it up
14:52:33  <planetmaker> this is a very nice cleanup, though
14:53:55  <planetmaker> <-- rivers are currently WAY too straight
14:53:56  <Webster> Title: Imagebin - A place to slap up your images. (at
14:54:07  <planetmaker> I played a bit with corners
14:55:49  <Yexo> looks better already, but still a bit straight
14:56:28  <planetmaker> the normal riverbanks are not touched yet
14:56:38  <planetmaker> and the small curves only in the North
14:58:33  <planetmaker> and the river source / start looks quite ugly without changes - possibly special graphics and additional NFO, though
15:01:31  * planetmaker checks how the fish paddle steamer looks on rivers
15:04:34  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 2562:7d2a4a8fd9ec: Update: Dutch translation (yexo) @
15:12:28  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Feature Request #1848: string codes (yexo) @
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15:31:20  <planetmaker> <-- much better already... but I'm not satisfied with the undulation frequency yet. Nor actually with the colour differences of the sides
15:31:21  <Webster> Title: Imagebin - A place to slap up your images. (at
15:32:01  <Yexo> much better indeed :)
15:33:24  <planetmaker> but no slopes yet :-(
15:33:25  <planetmaker> thus 4x the same work still waiting ;-)
15:44:47  <Brot6> DevZone Help Center - Revision 152:398633568946: [Compiler] Change: new language check script has... (Ammler) @
15:52:49  <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Airports - Feature #3020: Toyland versions of airports (planetmaker) @
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16:06:52  <Yexo> planetmaker: some of the trees in opengfx 0.3.5 are too big and create glitches in the build tree window
16:06:55  <Yexo> is that already known?
16:07:06  <planetmaker> no, not really
16:07:24  <planetmaker> sad to hear... I'd like to see that rather fixed in OpenTTD ;-)
16:07:51  <Yexo> hmm, true
16:09:15  <Hirundo> [16:42:51] firs has varaction2's with over 50 operators/variables <-Some time ago an NML-built grf crashed openttd because it contained a varaction2 with more than 255 operators
16:09:29  <planetmaker> yes :-P
16:09:37  <Yexo> ah, nice :)
16:09:40  * planetmaker pleads guilty ;-)
16:09:44  <Yexo> I saw the bugfix in openttd, just not the related problem here
16:09:57  <planetmaker> frosch allowed now 16 bit instead of 8 bit ;-)
16:10:10  <planetmaker> yeah, was ogfx+landscape (or airports?)
16:10:22  <planetmaker> with and adv. sprite layout
16:10:25  <planetmaker> *an
16:11:31  <frosch123> planetmaker: luckily pseudo sprites have a maximum length of 64kB, so the limit of advaract2 won't be reached :p
16:11:57  <planetmaker> :-)
16:13:39  <Hirundo> nfo v8 will fix that ;)
16:15:08  <Yexo> that's not really possible
16:15:19  <Hirundo> Actually I'd say that extending the grf (not nfo) file format shouldn't be too hard, it "just" needs someone to do it and a use case to actually work on it
16:15:20  <Yexo> it needs a new container format, which is a somewhat broader scope than nfo v8
16:15:45  <planetmaker> *might* be done together, though
16:15:47  <Yexo> yes, it should be quote easy
16:15:59  <Yexo> I haven't seen the need for it though
16:16:02  <planetmaker> yeah, I can easily quote that :-P
16:16:19  <Yexo> the only pseudosprites I've seen that are bigger than 65k are action14 sprites
16:16:38  <Yexo> and those are designed to be easy to split up
16:16:40  <Hirundo> There's no real reason to do those together, grf file format is basically an ottdp/grfcodec/nml internal thingie
16:17:27  <frosch123> dalestan posted a spec for the grf 2 container format on the forums
16:18:08  <frosch123> though it is actually somewhat pointless to name suich files .grf then :)
16:18:48  <Yexo> not really, users are used to .grf files, which is reason enough to keep the extension
16:19:41  <frosch123> anyway, he basically started the .grf with the usual end-of-file of old grf files, and then started something new after that
16:20:05  <Yexo> it sounded like a sane solution at the time
16:20:30  <Yexo> frosch123: can you remind me how to code a general callback?
16:21:01  <frosch123> a generic callback?
16:21:12  <frosch123> just specify zero ids in the action3
16:21:17  <Yexo> ah, ok
16:21:41  <Yexo> I was searching in the action2 pages instead of action3
16:25:55  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Feature Request #3022 (New): support generic callbacks (yexo) @
16:57:04  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature Request #3019: Convert all pcx files to png (andythenorth) @
17:08:37  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 2563:1f0cb7bfe494: Add: convert remaining pcx to png (andythenorth) @
17:12:16  <Brot6> nml: update from r1641 to r1653 done -
17:14:04  <Brot6> firs: update from r2557 to r2563 done -
17:20:49  <Brot6> opengfx: update from r729 to r730 done -
17:23:32  <Brot6> airportsplus: update from r132 to r134 done (2 warnings) -
17:23:33  <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: ogfx-trains (r251), narvs (r52), bros (r52), ogfx-industries (r123), firs (r2563), ailib-tile (r16), foobarstramtracks (r23), transrapidtrackset (r28), 2cctrainset (r750), cets (r126), ailib-list (r32), opensfx (r97), ttdviewer (r34), worldairlinersset (r672), heqs (r639), openmsx (r97), basecosts (r25), nutracks (r208), nml (r1653), water-features (r51), 32bpp-extra (r40), manindu (r7),
17:23:33  <Brot6> newgrf_makefile (r305), ailib-direction (r17), ailib-common (r21), snowlinemod (r49), dutchtramset (r87), ai-admiralai (r75), swisstowns (r22), metrotrackset (r56), dutchroadfurniture (r12), spanishtowns (r10), frenchtowns (r6), grfpack (r279), ogfx-rv (r109), fish (r684), ogfx-landscape (r82), ttrs (r36), ogfx-trees (r51), swedishrails (r206), grfcodec (r833), ai-aroai (r49), german-townnames (r34), smts (r19), chips (r143),
17:23:37  <Brot6> belarusiantowns (r8), indonesiantowns (r41), ailib-string (r29), comic-houses (r71)
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17:28:23  <Brot6> DictatorAI - Revision 178:478f23cb6b2c: - Change AddNewTrain so it can now add a new train or add... (krinn) @
17:28:23  <Brot6> DictatorAI - Revision 179:94b0fc5cb96c: - forget to add the new trainhandler.nut file (krinn) @
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17:47:33  <Brot6> Following repos rebuilds successful without any difference to earlier nightlies builds: ogfx-trains (Diffsize: 38173), narvs (11 warnings) (Diffsize: 7113), ogfx-industries (1 warnings) (Diffsize: 127939), foobarstramtracks, cets (436 warnings) (Diffsize: 462), manindu (Diffsize: 2), newgrf_makefile, dutchtramset (Diffsize: 25964), swisstowns, dutchroadfurniture (Diffsize: 4509), spanishtowns (Diffsize: 2), frenchtowns, ogfx-rv,
17:47:33  <Brot6> ogfx-landscape (1 warnings) (Diffsize: 36648), swedishrails, german-townnames (Diffsize: 1), belarusiantowns (Diffsize: 30), indonesiantowns (1 warnings) (Diffsize: 1)
17:52:41  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 2564:443580686725: Codechange: remove all use of pcx in ... (andythenorth) @
17:57:10  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 2565:05dd0662688a: Cleanup: remove remaining industry pc... (andythenorth) @
18:11:30  <planetmaker> @base 16 10 655
18:11:30  <Webster> planetmaker: 1621
19:03:40  <Brot6> clientpatches: compile of r22860 still failed (#2964) -
19:08:52  <Brot6> openttd-vehiclevars: update from r22856 to r22860 done -
19:10:39  <Brot6> serverpatches: compile of r22860 still failed (#2966) -
19:12:14  <Brot6> 32bpp-ez-patches: compile of r22860 still failed (#2446) -
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20:26:29  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Revision 731:42bc1edb420d: Fix: Some tree sprites were truncated (planetmaker) @
20:59:22  <andythenorth> planetmaker: how would I fence the oil well tiles?
21:00:18  <planetmaker> basically like the other industries, too
21:01:01  <andythenorth> I should ask a better question :P
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23:08:23  <planetmaker> nein...

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