Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 2nd September 2011:
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00:27:35  <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Feature #2924: Prussian steam engines - sprites (oberhuemer) @
01:27:02  <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Feature #2924: Prussian steam engines - sprites (Eddi) @
08:23:26  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1657:3ee0bb458a2a: Fix: Constants for 'is_helicopter' were reversed (planetmaker) @
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10:03:29  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1659:c112eb5a1cae: Fix: don't modify StringCommand.offset since w... (yexo) @
10:03:29  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1658:f43e0307fe47: Feature #1848: also allow string references as... (yexo) @
10:03:29  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1660:8729f47fcb6f: Add: properly encode plural commands refering ... (yexo) @
10:03:31  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1661:015c9793c50e: Add: properly encode gender commands refering ... (yexo) @
11:23:32  <Hirundo> Would it be recommended to re-setup push over ssh, or to push over https instead?
11:28:38  <Yexo> push over https is the commended way, personally I use push over ssh so I can circumvent the authentication and push to repos where I'm not manager/dev, like for pushing an update to opengfx+industries if it needs one after an nml change
11:34:11  <Ammler> Hirundo: we do not add new accounts to ssh, but we do also not delete the existing ones
11:34:48  <Ammler> https works well, afaik
11:35:09  <Ammler> and with extension keyring, you don't need to save your pw in plain anymore
11:37:59  <Ammler> what you use for you, is up to you, just remember that other (younger) users don't have ssh
11:46:49  <Terkhen> the spanish.lng file misses strings that were already translated in the nfo version
11:46:53  <Terkhen> (FIRS)
11:47:01  <Terkhen> were they lost in the conversion process?
11:47:39  <Terkhen> I don't mind a bit copy pasting but if this happens with other languages we probably should warn other translators about this
11:49:38  * Terkhen translates 1000 commits and counting as 2500 commits and counting :P
11:53:53  <planetmaker> :-)
11:54:01  <planetmaker> I'd remove that part from English actually
12:04:32  <Hirundo> https authentication complained about invalid certificate
12:06:58  <Terkhen> planetmaker: did you test how opengfx+ sets deals with the sugarcane / sugar beet split?
12:07:15  <planetmaker> not yet
12:07:29  <planetmaker> it should be unsupported cargos with cargo class support
12:07:49  <Terkhen> I'll test once I'm done translating
12:08:01  <Terkhen> bbl
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13:33:24  <Terkhen> strange, I have pushed to ogfx-rv but the change does not appear in the project page
13:37:34  <Yexo> I can pull it just fine (r110)
13:39:23  <Terkhen> hmmm... then it is not an issue of the repo itself
14:01:29  <planetmaker> hm...
14:03:24  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #3026 (New): Orphan string (Terkhen) @
14:12:43  <Ammler> Terkhen: unno momento
14:18:36  <Hirundo> #3026 is something NML should warn about, methinks
14:18:36  <Brot6> Hirundo: #3026 is "FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #3026: Orphan string - #openttdcoop Development Zone"
14:20:16  <planetmaker> well... it's not really necessary
14:20:23  <planetmaker> but it could indeed :-)
14:20:56  <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Road Vehicles - Revision 110:13d7e40d6072: Add: Russian translation. (Terkhen) @
14:26:19  <Yexo> Hirundo: I think we need a more general framework for warnings in NML
14:27:11  <Yexo> because A) when we get more warnings we want the user be able to disable some and B) the option to configure whether each warning should only be shown once or for each instance apart
14:34:51  <Hirundo> is configuring via the command line enough?
14:35:10  <Yexo> I think so
14:35:57  <Ammler> ~/nmlrc :-)
14:36:02  <Ammler> .
14:37:06  <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Feature #2924: Prussian steam engines - sprites (oberhuemer) @
14:37:53  <Hirundo> At the moment I am *still* not able to compile regression test successfully, PIL keeps messing around
14:38:24  <Yexo> which tests fail?
14:39:01  <Hirundo> All tests that use .png
14:39:18  <Hirundo> Before that, all tests that used PIL failed
14:39:37  <Hirundo> Before that, all tests could fail randomly with dll conflicts
14:39:46  <Hirundo> Before that, .... well you get the point :S
14:42:52  <Hirundo> Add an internet connection that only supports hupp (Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle Protocol) instead of http, and the frustration starts to add up
14:44:05  <Terkhen> Ammler: thanks
14:44:10  <Yexo> very understandable
14:44:19  <Yexo> are you compiling PIL yourself?
14:45:03  <Hirundo> yes, I did
14:45:24  <Yexo> missing libpng?
14:45:45  <Hirundo> no, zip (or so it says)
14:45:57  <Yexo> libpng needs zlib or so
14:46:30  <Hirundo> The PIL installer claims that it is available
14:47:44  <Hirundo> Perhaps I should just install a proper linux VM, instead of messing around with the half-windows half-linux that is cygwin, getting the worst of both worlds
14:50:34  <Hirundo> bbl
14:50:36  <Terkhen> I managed to install PIL fine on mingw/msys
14:50:44  <Terkhen> but yes, I ended up creating a VM
14:50:56  <Terkhen> otherwise FIRS compile times are unbearable :P
14:58:09  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #3027 (New): Rework industry station names (Terkhen) @
15:02:03  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #3027: Rework industry station names (yexo) @
15:10:31  <Terkhen> nmlc: A plural or gender choice list {P} or {G} has to be followed by another string code or provide an offset <--- nml does not say the line in which this error happens
15:10:54  <Yexo> I know, there is no position information available at the time that error is thrown
15:11:04  <Terkhen> ok :)
15:11:05  <Terkhen> bbl
15:28:24  <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Feature #2924: Prussian steam engines - sprites (oberhuemer) @
15:30:16  <Ammler> Hirundo: just wondering, did you try pip install pil ?
15:30:39  <Ammler> or well, pip install nml
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16:00:37  <andythenorth> hello
16:03:17  <planetmaker> hi andythenorth
16:06:57  <Hirundo> Terkhen: My workflow used to be 'make FIRS' -> get coffee -> return and check result :)
16:07:09  <andythenorth> :o
16:07:39  <planetmaker> sounds lengthy
16:08:49  <Hirundo> FIRS generally finished way before the coffee, though
16:09:51  <Hirundo> Still, any process that makes heavy use of fork() is basically very slow on cygwin, since it has to make a binary copy of the entire program state
16:33:14  <Terkhen> that and file I/O are really slow on windows :P
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16:34:56  <andythenorth> slower than OS X?
16:36:40  <Terkhen> I don't know
16:37:09  <Terkhen> on windows, fork() and file I/O are slow enough to make a linux VM faster when compiling NewGRF projects
16:57:54  <Terkhen> is it possible to add comments to a nml lang file?
16:59:12  <planetmaker> # blah
17:00:05  <Terkhen> hmmm... sorry, I meant at the end of a string :)
17:00:22  <Terkhen> otherwise the script will be telling me about strings that need no changes again
17:00:52  <planetmaker> I guess not
17:01:14  <Terkhen> ok, I can live with it :P
17:01:26  <Terkhen> ignore anything < 2500
17:01:59  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 2568:de0a708903c2: Update: Spanish translation. (Terkhen) @
17:04:47  <Yexo> Terkhen: you could increase/reduce the amount of spaces before the :
17:05:18  <Terkhen> oh, that's a good idea :)
17:05:21  <Terkhen> I'll do that next time
17:11:21  <Brot6> nml: update from r1653 to r1661 done -
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17:15:19  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 2569:9fe4e2518969: Codechange: Correct the names of a fe... (Terkhen) @
17:20:28  <Brot6> firs: update from r2566 to r2569 done -
17:23:44  <Brot6> cets: update from r129 to r135 done (474 warnings) -
17:26:33  <Brot6> ogfx-rv: update from r109 to r110 done -
17:28:03  <Brot6> airportsplus: update from r134 to r135 done (2 warnings) -
17:28:04  <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: ogfx-trains (r251), narvs (r52), bros (r52), ogfx-industries (r123), opengfx (r732), ailib-tile (r16), foobarstramtracks (r23), transrapidtrackset (r28), 2cctrainset (r750), ailib-list (r32), opensfx (r97), ttdviewer (r34), worldairlinersset (r672), heqs (r639), openmsx (r97), basecosts (r25), nutracks (r208), nml (r1661), water-features (r51), 32bpp-extra (r40), manindu (r7), newgrf_makefile (r305),
17:28:04  <Brot6> ailib-direction (r17), ailib-common (r21), snowlinemod (r49), dutchtramset (r87), ai-admiralai (r75), swisstowns (r22), metrotrackset (r56), dutchroadfurniture (r12), spanishtowns (r10), frenchtowns (r6), grfpack (r279), fish (r684), ogfx-landscape (r82), ttrs (r36), ogfx-trees (r51), swedishrails (r206), grfcodec (r833), ai-aroai (r49), german-townnames (r34), smts (r19), chips (r143), belarusiantowns (r8), indonesiantowns (r41), ailib-string
17:28:10  <Brot6> (r29), comic-houses (r71)
17:28:50  <Brot6> ogfx-trains: rebuild of r251 done (Diffsize: 38173) (DiffDiffsize: 338) -
17:29:35  <Brot6> narvs: rebuild of r52 done (11 warnings) (Diffsize: 7113) (DiffDiffsize: 26) -
17:30:24  <Brot6> ogfx-industries: rebuild of r123 done (1 warnings) (Diffsize: 127939) (DiffDiffsize: 1003) -
17:32:10  <Brot6> HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Revision 640:65e01ca78607: Add: source files for ECS digger for Ge... (andythenorth) @
17:35:00  <Brot6> dutchtramset: rebuild of r87 done (Diffsize: 25964) (DiffDiffsize: 2609) -
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17:39:36  <Brot6> ogfx-landscape: rebuild of r82 done (1 warnings) (Diffsize: 37081) (DiffDiffsize: 11590) -
17:42:52  <Brot6> Following repos rebuilds successful without any difference to earlier nightlies builds: foobarstramtracks (Diffsize: 11458), manindu (Diffsize: 2), newgrf_makefile, swisstowns, dutchroadfurniture (Diffsize: 4509), spanishtowns (Diffsize: 2), frenchtowns, swedishrails (Diffsize: 1350), german-townnames (Diffsize: 1), belarusiantowns (Diffsize: 30), indonesiantowns (1 warnings) (Diffsize: 1)
17:50:16  <Ammler> why the hell does it not crash now?
17:50:32  <Ammler> this server works just in random mood
17:51:08  <V453000> im innocent
17:51:46  <Ammler> not sure :-)
17:52:03  <^Spike^> V has been the fault forever... ;)
17:52:08  <V453000> :)
17:52:16  <V453000> breaking servers specialists
17:52:24  <V453000> -s
18:23:54  <andythenorth> hmm
18:24:04  <andythenorth> it's a bit early to tag FIRS 0.7.0
18:25:39  <Terkhen> I think so, yes
18:26:06  <andythenorth> adding more code changes is bad form
18:26:07  <andythenorth> meh
18:26:14  <andythenorth> I'll do it anyway
18:28:33  <andythenorth> oh
18:28:38  * andythenorth misunderstands fences
18:30:42  <Yexo> you can branch 0.7 now without releasing 0.7.0 and continue work in the "trunk" branch
18:31:05  <andythenorth> true
18:31:12  <andythenorth> branches make my head hurt
18:31:28  <Yexo> just continue work now for 0.8, as soon as there are bugfixes for 0.7 go back and create the 0.7 branch
18:32:43  <andythenorth> so...fences
18:32:43  <andythenorth>
18:33:07  <andythenorth>
18:33:12  <andythenorth> what am I doing wrong?
18:35:14  <Yexo> now clue
18:36:15  <andythenorth> currently nml is just magic
18:36:23  <andythenorth> it either works or don't
18:36:24  <andythenorth> (for me)
18:36:34  <Yexo> this is not nml, it's a lot of cpp template magic
18:36:38  <andythenorth> he
18:36:48  <andythenorth> this wasn't a criticism of nml btw - I just haven't learnt it
18:38:02  <planetmaker> andythenorth: you're not defining where fences should be drawn
18:38:09  <planetmaker> just using the fences layouts won't cut it
18:38:14  <andythenorth> :)
18:38:19  <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Revision 136:2152566f1752: apply documentation to (half of) the gene... (Eddi) @
18:49:35  <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Landscape - Revision 83:ce23cad15c75: Feature: Add a view to fenced land which grows a t... (planetmaker) @
19:02:56  <Brot6> clientpatches: compile of r22870 still failed (#2964) -
19:07:58  <Brot6> openttd-vehiclevars: update from r22864 to r22870 done -
19:09:34  <Brot6> serverpatches: compile of r22870 still failed (#2966) -
19:11:12  <Brot6> 32bpp-ez-patches: compile of r22870 still failed (#2446) -
19:14:38  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature Request #3019 (Closed): Convert all pcx files to png (andythenorth) @
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20:01:37  <Brot6> Unable to connect to execution expired
20:39:27  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 2570:4c5ef0983a78: Feature: setting for different cargo ... (yexo) @
20:39:27  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 2571:3f1f6faf1533: Doc: update version number in readme.... (yexo) @
20:39:58  <Yexo> andythenorth: after pulling you can do "hg up default" to get firs trunk, or "hg up 0.7" to get the head of the 0.7-branch
20:40:28  <Yexo> just "hg up" will get you "tip", which can be in either branch
20:40:32  <Yexo> currently it's in 0.7, so watch out
20:44:46  <Yexo> Busy summer for FIRS
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20:48:44  <Terkhen> heh, indeed :)
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23:18:17  <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Feature #2924: Prussian steam engines - sprites (oberhuemer) @
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