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00:02:49 <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Feature #3105: Länderbahn electric engines and MUs (oberhuemer) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3105#change-8149 06:40:42 *** Zuu has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 07:14:34 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 07:15:52 *** Zuu has quit IRC 08:11:37 *** hanf has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 08:58:48 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Revision 746:029f04234558: -Doc: Update changelog and credits for 0.3.7 (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/029f04234558 09:16:18 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Revision 747:9a946a26a032: Added tag 0.3.7 for changeset 029f04234558 (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/9a946a26a032 09:18:41 <Brot6> opengfx: update from 0.3.6 to 0.3.7 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/opengfx/releases/0.3.7 09:27:23 <Brot6> OpenGFX - OpenGFX 0.3.7 released (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/news/59 09:39:45 *** hanf has quit IRC 12:05:56 <Brot6> DevZone Help Center - Membership #3115 (New): Applying for project: NewGRF Viewer (UnicycleBloke) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3115 12:15:20 <Ammler> interesting ^ 12:16:12 <Terkhen> yes :P 12:16:43 <Terkhen> I thought about doing something like that after finding grfmaker too lacking 12:17:07 <Terkhen> of course I found it too big :P 12:17:15 <planetmaker> he, I wrote an e-mail to him suggesting to take a look at the devzone ;-) 12:17:33 <Terkhen> :) 12:17:42 <Terkhen> before or after ^ 12:17:48 <planetmaker> 2 hours ago 12:18:16 <planetmaker> mentioning SF I though he wasn't aware of the DevZone. I thought I could change that 12:18:25 <Terkhen> :) 12:20:04 <Brot6> DevZone Help Center - Membership #3115: Applying for project: NewGRF Viewer (admin) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3115#change-8150 12:21:03 <Brot6> repository /home/hg/newgrf-viewer registered in Redmine with url /home/hg/newgrf-viewer 12:21:03 <Brot6> repository /home/hg/newgrf-viewer created 12:21:22 <planetmaker> hm, we should offer him to use another vcs, if he wants 12:21:25 <Terkhen> Qt is quite simple to use when you want to code something with a GUI, but getting releases / nightlies automatically might be a big PITA 12:21:38 <planetmaker> yes... we shall see 12:21:49 <planetmaker> thought qt surely is available as rpm 12:22:11 <Ammler> Terkhen: use a proper de and you have qt :-P 12:22:26 <Terkhen> archlinux even has mingw-qt packages for crosscompiling, I suppose other distros have them too 12:22:38 <Terkhen> Ammler: I'm strictly talking about Qt on windows :) 12:22:48 <planetmaker> ah 12:23:17 <planetmaker> long ago that I looked at qt. But back then it looked the simplest cross-platform UI thing I found 12:24:01 <Terkhen> it's quite powerful, but a bit bloated 12:24:05 <Ammler> hmm, not sure, do you need to recompile for windows or can you use the same qt apps= 12:24:46 <Terkhen> for windows you have the Qt SDK, which essentially is a special MinGW bundle with Qt already compiled 12:25:02 <Terkhen> bundled with Qt Creator and other related apps 12:25:34 <Terkhen> the libraries are dynamic, though, so you need to distribute the dlls along with your code 12:25:38 <Terkhen> and they are... big 12:25:58 <Brot6> DevZone Help Center - Membership #3115: Applying for project: NewGRF Viewer (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3115#change-8151 12:26:32 <Ammler> planetmaker: the problem with other VCS is the lack of support 12:26:42 <planetmaker> from our side? 12:26:46 <Ammler> yes 12:26:49 <planetmaker> yes. Well 12:26:55 <Ammler> we can not help someone to use git or svn or whatever 12:27:00 <Ammler> does vcs are simply too complicated 12:27:11 <Ammler> but we can host those of course 12:27:18 <planetmaker> that's what I wanted to say 12:27:26 <planetmaker> the question is: what kind of support does he need? 12:27:32 <Ammler> well, not svn, but git or bazaar 12:27:35 <Ammler> or whatever 12:27:52 <planetmaker> and the other question is: what would break when trying to compile nightlies or releases from git of bazaar 12:27:58 <planetmaker> I doubt that much would break 12:27:58 <Ammler> if someone needs to learn a vcs anyway, we should recommend hg 12:28:04 <Ammler> the only useful vcs for starters 12:28:05 <planetmaker> Of course 12:28:31 <Terkhen> bbl 12:28:36 <planetmaker> But I don't know whether he has already a vcs in use. If he has... he might not want to switch 12:28:41 <planetmaker> bye, Terkhen 12:28:50 <Ammler> somewhen, I will update devzone to easy add git repos 12:29:08 <planetmaker> :-) 12:29:13 <Ammler> I also would really like to add "Fork" support 12:29:48 <planetmaker> Ammler, we maybe could consider to request a license for bamboo 12:29:58 <Ammler> what is bamboo? 12:30:12 <planetmaker> http://farm.openttd.org ;-) 12:30:27 <Ammler> ah well 12:31:02 <planetmaker> it's opensource and free for open source projects 12:31:18 <planetmaker> but it has not a FLOSS license 12:31:28 <Ammler> I don't think it is as powerful as our current system 12:31:30 <Ammler> rarely 12:31:51 <Ammler> we can simply build everything now 12:32:08 <planetmaker> yes, our current system is very simple to use 12:32:19 <planetmaker> I can hardly imagine it becoming simpler 12:32:22 <Ammler> well, that it lacks 12:32:24 <Ammler> :-) 12:32:36 <Ammler> bamboo might be user friendlier 12:33:07 <Ammler> but how does it support e.g. new projects with different build dependencies 12:33:29 <Ammler> hmm, does openttd still "sponsor" opendune ;-) 12:47:40 *** hanf has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:55:28 <Terkhen> hello again 13:09:11 <planetmaker> wb, Terkhen :-) 13:09:27 <planetmaker> Ammler, I'm not sure how easy it is to configure. I didn't have part in it. 13:09:59 <planetmaker> And yes, opendune is still 'sponsored' (but not ttdp :-P ) 13:12:54 <Terkhen> no one has asked about it still? 13:13:26 <planetmaker> not officially 13:24:20 <Ammler> maybe ^Spike^ knows more as he is fan of atlassian 13:24:43 <Yexo> nobody asked outside the ttdpatch forum section 13:24:43 <^Spike^> ehm... i don't run it myself.. all i know is that the packets are very complete in what they can do... 13:25:27 <^Spike^> but can always try one of those 30 day packs of it to see what it can do.. 14:03:08 <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Support #2750: Tracking Table (oberhuemer) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2750#change-8152 14:03:56 <Brot6> DevZone Help Center - Membership #3115: Applying for project: NewGRF Viewer (UnicycleBloke) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3115#change-8153 14:06:09 <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Support #2750: Tracking Table (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2750#change-8154 14:10:41 <Brot6> DevZone Help Center - Membership #3115 (Closed): Applying for project: NewGRF Viewer (UnicycleBloke) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3115 14:10:41 <Brot6> DevZone Help Center - Membership #3115: Applying for project: NewGRF Viewer (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3115#change-8155 14:10:41 <Brot6> DevZone Help Center - Membership #3115 (Closed): Applying for project: NewGRF Viewer (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3115#change-8156 14:11:24 <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Support #2750: Tracking Table (Eddi) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2750#change-8157 15:13:56 <Brot6> GRFCodec - Revision 837:0dfdd367a767: Update: changelog (Rubidium) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/grfcodec/repository/revisions/0dfdd367a767 15:13:56 <Brot6> GRFCodec - Revision 838:a752c3e84979: Added tag 5.1.2 for changeset 0dfdd367a767 (Rubidium) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/grfcodec/repository/revisions/a752c3e84979 15:48:11 *** Zuu has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:18:35 <Terkhen> hmm 16:19:04 <planetmaker> two letters which can express soooo much ;-) 16:19:05 <Terkhen> what "big things" are missing from nml? everyone at the forums keeps saying "a lot" but to my knowledge only stations are missing 16:19:17 <planetmaker> bridges 16:19:29 <planetmaker> canals / rivers 16:19:35 <planetmaker> and houses need a bit more love 16:19:55 <Rubidium> reflection ;) 16:20:35 <planetmaker> and procedures 16:22:06 <Terkhen> procedures are a nfo feature? 16:22:10 <Yexo> yes 16:22:22 <Yexo> http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/VarAction2Advanced#Using_procedures 16:22:33 <Terkhen> strange :P 16:22:41 <Yexo> in fact nml uses it internally for some callbacks 16:22:52 <Yexo> the syntax for them is quite easy too, it's just not implemented 16:27:06 <Terkhen> I just find posts like the last one by AndersI amusing :) 16:27:23 <Terkhen> since nml / grfcodec are not feature complete, is it better to write different tools 16:27:34 <Terkhen> s/grfcodec/grfmaker/ 16:27:41 <Yexo> he has a good point wrt grfmaker 16:27:50 <Yexo> since no sources are available, at least not for the most recent version 16:28:41 <Terkhen> yes 16:28:59 <Terkhen> I worked a bit with its code... in that case is better to start anew 16:50:55 <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Revision 211:8ecabc9d0094: move class definitions to a separate file (Eddi) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/cets/repository/revisions/8ecabc9d0094 16:52:06 <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Revision 212:78b55bd08bce: give each graphics include a unique postf... (Eddi) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/cets/repository/revisions/78b55bd08bce 17:09:09 <Brot6> grfcodec: update from r836 to r838 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/grfcodec/nightlies/r838 17:12:51 <Brot6> nml: update from r1680 to r1683 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/nml/nightlies/r1683 17:19:32 <Brot6> opengfx: update from r745 to r747 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/opengfx/nightlies/r747 17:24:00 <Brot6> cets: update from r208 to r212 done (1145 warnings) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/cets/nightlies/r212 17:39:23 <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Feature #2924: Prussian steam engines (Eddi) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2924#change-8158 17:43:31 <Brot6> MailAI - Revision 13:e0e8b8b779bb: BUGFIX Crash when tile used out of map borders (Hephi) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ai-mailai/repository/revisions/e0e8b8b779bb 17:51:53 <Brot6> vactrainset: compile of r1 still failed (#3044) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/vactrainset/nightlies/ERROR/r1 18:04:57 <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Revision 213:df192191772a: misnamed graphics file and switched graph... (Eddi) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/cets/repository/revisions/df192191772a 18:04:57 <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Revision 214:8e2c24c30432: temporarily switched T3 graphics to avoid... (Eddi) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/cets/repository/revisions/8e2c24c30432 18:04:57 <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Revision 215:648599a6cadd: implement graphic selection by date_of_la... (Eddi) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/cets/repository/revisions/648599a6cadd 18:12:01 <Brot6> Following repos rebuilds successful without any difference to earlier nightlies builds: ogfx-trains (Diffsize: 36114), narvs (11 warnings), bros (1 warnings), ogfx-industries (1 warnings) (Diffsize: 129173), firs, foobarstramtracks (Diffsize: 37000), transrapidtrackset, 2cctrainset (6 warnings), worldairlinersset, heqs, basecosts, nutracks, water-features, 32bpp-extra (2 warnings), manindu (Diffsize: 2), newgrf_makefile, rust, 18:12:01 <Brot6> snowlinemod, dutchtramset (Diffsize: 25964), swisstowns, metrotrackset (Diffsize: 1), dutchroadfurniture (Diffsize: 1984), spanishtowns (Diffsize: 2), frenchtowns, ogfx-rv, fish, ogfx-landscape (2 warnings), ttrs (7 warnings) (Diffsize: 1324), ogfx-trees, swedishrails, german-townnames, smts (Diffsize: 8), chips (1 warnings), belarusiantowns (Diffsize: 30), indonesiantowns (1 warnings) (Diffsize: 1), airportsplus (Diffsize: 964), 18:12:03 <Brot6> comic-houses (3 warnings) (Diffsize: 22) 18:33:45 *** frosch123 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:35:07 <Yexo> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/616/ <- planetmaker, Terkhen: any comments? 18:37:56 <planetmaker> sounds great 18:38:12 <planetmaker> where do you plan to post it? 18:38:27 <planetmaker> I guess the three bug trackers trains / rv / airports could be linked 18:38:36 <planetmaker> and actually... landscape could use sprites, too 18:38:54 <planetmaker> if we go for it we could go for it completely 18:39:01 <Terkhen> OpenGFX+ Trains and OpenGFX+ Road Vehicles <-- better without abbreviations for a forum thread :P 18:39:08 <Terkhen> besides that, perfect :) 18:40:15 * planetmaker ponders 18:40:31 <Yexo> ah yes, I forgot about were we want the sprites 18:40:36 <Yexo> bug tracker or this forum topic? 18:40:53 <Yexo> I'm going to post it in 32-bit Graphics Development 18:40:56 <Terkhen> "bug tracker is prefered but this thread is fine too" 18:41:11 <Terkhen> some people seem to have allergy to register in new sites 18:41:14 <planetmaker> yes. I'm slightly editing it as a suggestion 18:41:50 <planetmaker> There seems to be a funny half-sentence following "ECS or FIRS" and preceeding "This is where ... come in" 18:42:52 <Yexo> should we make a new category in the bug tracker for this? 18:43:28 <planetmaker> yes, 32bpp seems fine 18:44:30 <Terkhen> new category, yes 18:44:36 <planetmaker> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/617/ <-- my slight update 18:46:19 <Yexo> what link shall I use, simply http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-trains/issues ? 18:46:28 <Yexo> or http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-trains/issues/new ? 18:46:35 <planetmaker> hm... 18:46:43 <planetmaker> use the issues link w/o new 18:47:00 <planetmaker> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/618/ 18:47:23 <planetmaker> then people can also look what's going on otherwise in that set :-) 18:47:54 <Yexo> yes, I agree 18:49:35 <Yexo> ok, there we go: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=56922 18:49:36 <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums View topic - Request: 32bpp (normal zoom) graphics for OpenGFX+ projects (at www.tt-forums.net) 18:57:41 <planetmaker> Yexo: I just spotted a typo I didn't see earlier: last sentence must start with "Once". 18:58:52 <Yexo> thanks, fixed 18:59:55 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:02:28 <Brot6> clientpatches: compile of r23012 still failed (#2964) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/clientpatches/testing/ERROR/r23012 19:04:21 <Brot6> serverpatches: compile of r23012 still failed (#2966) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/serverpatches/testing/ERROR/r23012 19:06:29 <Brot6> 32bpp-ez-patches: compile of r23012 still failed (#2446) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/32bpp-ez-patches/testing/ERROR/r23012 19:08:25 <Terkhen> nice, now let's see what they say :P 19:08:51 <planetmaker> yep. I'm curious 19:23:40 <frosch123> if in doubt, then someone will be offended :p 19:24:30 <planetmaker> meh 19:28:36 <Terkhen> that's always a possibility, but why in this case? :P 19:29:07 <planetmaker> "stealing" attention of the 32bpp set as-is on jupix' server? 19:29:10 <planetmaker> not sure :-) 19:30:06 <planetmaker> at least in terms of relative attention ;-) 19:30:12 <planetmaker> which is the important thing for egos 19:44:06 <frosch123> Terkhen: there is a high percentage of "artists" in the 32bpp forum. and when i learned something on the forums, then that artists can be offended by things you never imagined before 19:44:51 <Yexo> the worst thing that can happen is that we get absolutely no sprites at all 19:45:03 *** JVassie has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:45:48 <Yexo> ben robbin's sprites are all gpl and include the source 19:45:56 <Yexo> so we can always resize those from z0 to z2 and use that 19:46:44 <Terkhen> heh 19:46:48 <Terkhen> we'll see :) 19:57:24 <Rubidium> I'm not sure downsampling them will get great quality stuff 19:57:30 <Rubidium> as the details just get blurred completely 19:58:36 <Yexo> the original 3dmax files are also available, so we could also render them at the correct size 19:59:13 <andythenorth> what madness is happening? :o 20:00:42 <frosch123> we decided to drop support for .grf. ottd will now read .3ds directly 20:00:55 <andythenorth> oh that's actually quite sane 20:01:00 <Yexo> andythenorth: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=56922 20:01:01 <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums View topic - Request: 32bpp (normal zoom) graphics for OpenGFX+ projects (at www.tt-forums.net) 20:01:03 <andythenorth> it means I can stop contributing :) 20:01:06 <andythenorth> my life will be easier 20:39:05 <frosch123> damn, how do i edit the commit message of r1 of hg repo with 85 revisions which i have already published? 20:39:20 <andythenorth> build a time machine 20:40:55 <planetmaker> uhm... that's difficult, frosch123 20:40:56 <frosch123> i could delete the repository on the remote machine, and just assume noone ever pulled it 20:41:08 <frosch123> esp, since noone would patch it anyway 20:41:25 <frosch123> http://hg.openttd.org/developers/frosch/newgrfspecs.hg/rev/1d7e2c7bb774 <- i just want to replace 1.8.1 with 1.8.2 20:42:03 <Brot6> repository /home/hg/spiketest registered in Redmine with url /home/hg/spiketest 20:42:03 <Brot6> repository /home/hg/spiketest created 20:43:59 <planetmaker> hm, might be the only option indeed 21:01:26 *** Zuu has quit IRC 21:09:04 *** ODM has quit IRC 21:22:14 <frosch123> http://hg.openttd.org/developers/frosch/newgrfspecs.hg/rev/96c96ec7aeb0 <- magic :p 21:22:45 <frosch123> i doubt i will ever do "hg strip -n 0" again though :p 21:22:59 <andythenorth> bed time :) 21:23:00 *** andythenorth has left #openttdcoop.devzone 21:52:45 <Brot6> NewGRF Viewer - Revision 0:25063560352b: First commit - transferred from local SVN repository (Alan@Alan-Laptop.home) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/newgrf-viewer/repository/revisions/25063560352b 21:56:07 <frosch123> :) 22:00:46 <frosch123> haha, svn user :p 22:01:36 <frosch123> "trunk" 22:04:33 <Brot6> NewGRF Viewer - Revision 1:9a92fa399ef7: Added first release build and associated distributables. (Alan@Alan-Laptop.home) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/newgrf-viewer/repository/revisions/9a92fa399ef7 22:09:55 <Brot6> NewGRF Viewer - Code Review #3116 (New): Simplify display of structures (UnicycleBloke) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3116 22:13:23 <Brot6> NewGRF Viewer - Feature #3117 (New): Create models to represent the fields in an action (UnicycleBloke) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3117 22:14:53 <Brot6> NewGRF Viewer - Bug #3118 (New): Add support for UTF8 strings to string converter (UnicycleBloke) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3118 22:15:12 <frosch123> compiled with some sed magic 22:16:42 <Rubidium> and the repository is already 13 times larger than needed :( 22:17:28 <Brot6> NewGRF Viewer - Feature #3119 (New): Add edit box to display long strings, in the area in lower R... (UnicycleBloke) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3119 22:18:23 <frosch123> hmm, so far i did not find any grf it could open... 22:18:50 <frosch123> makes we wonder whether it is related to my linux "port" 22:19:18 <Rubidium> have you tried 001_action8.grf? 22:19:32 <frosch123> maybe i should pull 22:19:48 <frosch123> i can open plain grf without any pseudo sprites 22:19:52 <frosch123> e.g. trgt.grf 22:20:19 <Brot6> NewGRF Viewer - Feature #3120 (New): Find a way to present property values with more human readab... (UnicycleBloke) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3120 22:20:52 <frosch123> oh, these are all tickets, not commits 22:21:52 <Brot6> NewGRF Viewer - Feature #3121 (New): Switch the build to static linking (UnicycleBloke) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3121 22:21:52 <Brot6> NewGRF Viewer - Feature #3122 (New): Make sure the software builds under Linux (UnicycleBloke) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3122 22:30:36 <Brot6> NewGRF Viewer - Code Review #3123 (New): Linux port (frosch) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3123 22:32:45 <frosch123> the linux binary is 532 kiB btw. 22:43:34 <frosch123> hmm, why are my gcc man pages broken... 23:00:59 <frosch123> night 23:01:01 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 23:29:31 *** hanf has quit IRC