Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 15th October 2011:
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00:01:18  <Brot6> British Rail OpenTTD Set - Support #2574: Coder AWOL (Leanden) @
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07:48:57  <Brot6> OpenGFX BigGUI - Revision 1:f97982d3d4d5: Add: Re-Implement version 1 of this NewGRF (planetmaker) @
09:23:05  <Brot6> OpenGFX BigGUI - Revision 2:92f715ec17b0: Add: Further sprites for e-rail, tram, some font charac... (planetmaker) @
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10:09:03  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 2627:e72db88183b0: Update: Russian translation (akasoft) (foobar) @
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10:49:03  <Brot6> repository /home/hg/dach registered in Redmine with url /home/hg/dach
10:49:03  <Brot6> repository /home/hg/dach created
10:49:44  <frosch123> too bad dach is no house set
11:02:29  <planetmaker> :-)
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12:02:22  <Brot6> DACH Trains - Trains from the Region around Lake Constance - Revision 0:8105fabcc2b1: - (officercrockey) @
12:03:39  <Terkhen> sounds quite specific
12:04:25  <frosch123> somehow they did not wanted to call it swiss set
12:05:42  <planetmaker> Well. It was me who wrote the explanation for that set here. But it was my understanding that it focuses around lake constance... They can change it when they want :-)
12:06:53  <Terkhen> :)
12:59:29  <Brot6> Unrealistic Trainset - Feature #3103: 90s EMU (chrisbooth) @
13:02:00  <Brot6> FISH - Revision 685:592c3bca1afb: Feature: 4 new large coasters (no new graphics) (andythenorth) @
13:11:17  <Brot6> Unrealistic Trainset - Feature #3103: 90s EMU (chrisbooth) @
13:23:25  <Brot6> FISH - Revision 686:841430bf4ff1: Feature: sort buy menu correctly for large coasters (andythenorth) @
13:23:36  <andythenorth> have 4 new ships :D
13:24:43  <Brot6> FISH - Revision 687:140439f66fc6: Change: adjust model life for a coaster (andythenorth) @
13:41:08  <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Revision 248:ed8b16f85315: slightly shorten a code path in (Eddi) @
13:41:08  <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Revision 249:38fb11c61acb: unify recolour and normal graphics switch... (Eddi) @
13:46:10  <Brot6> cets: update from r247 to r249 done (569 warnings) -
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15:20:35  <Ammler> planetmaker: what is this warning about?
15:21:08  <planetmaker> which?
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15:27:21  <Ammler> <planetmaker> [19:31:05] <-- Ammler, that's "your" warning
15:28:23  <planetmaker> well. that must be something generated by the CF. I don't know why it looks for that file
15:28:44  <planetmaker> nor do I know what it tries to indicate.
15:29:02  <planetmaker> that's why it's your issue ;-)
15:30:07  <Ammler> ok, I assume it has no translations?
15:30:48  <Ammler> is biggui not a ogfx+ grf?
15:31:16  <Ammler> hmm, it has
15:31:24  <planetmaker> it has translations
15:32:14  <planetmaker> and I didn't call the biggui +biggui as it's an alternative but not an enhancement in the strict sense as the others
15:32:27  <Ammler> ah, but it has no check_language
15:32:49  <planetmaker> could be added
15:35:06  <Ammler> an alternative to?
15:35:17  <Ammler> I think, it is very much a ogfx+ grf :-)
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15:36:32  <planetmaker> it does not enhance the game (as the +NewGRFs kinda do). It "only" provides double-size GUI
15:37:09  <planetmaker> Same as with Trees. they simply provide some different ones in the same style
15:37:22  <Ammler> without + means, it is part of it
15:37:39  <Ammler> so not needed, if you use opengfx
15:38:17  <planetmaker> I didn't see it that way. So far
15:38:22  <Ammler> like the ogfx-trees
15:38:53  <planetmaker> yes, adding them made the game quite a bit nicer :-)
15:39:02  <planetmaker>
15:39:03  <Webster> Title: Imagebin - A place to slap up your images. (at
15:39:29  <Rubidium> ieuw... so huge ;)
15:39:44  <planetmaker> what, the trees?
15:39:56  <Rubidium> no, those buttons
15:39:56  <planetmaker> :-)
15:40:03  <Ammler> I should install openttd on my tablet :-)
15:40:18  <Ammler> with that gui, it should be playable
15:40:42  <planetmaker> well, I posted a list of missing sprites.
15:40:52  <planetmaker> But better than the current bananas version already
15:41:12  <Ammler> what did you do with the missing sprites?
15:41:21  <planetmaker> simply not re-define them
15:41:23  <Ammler> just resize
15:41:48  <planetmaker> I should give Zeph a few hours to slap up resized images
15:42:25  <planetmaker> and I preferred to spend my time on the rivers as in that screenshot ;-)
15:42:57  <planetmaker> but if someone else provides me with properly resized sprites in the proper style, I shall be fine with that, too
15:43:28  <planetmaker> the list is in the related thread
15:43:30  <Ammler> well, I made the bigger letters that way :-)
15:43:42  <Ammler> and nobody yet complained about :-
15:43:44  <Ammler> P
15:44:13  <planetmaker> then, you're welcome to give me the missing, resized gui elements ;-)
15:45:46  <Ammler> it was a bit sad, I made those letters just as prove of concept and now those are officially used ;-)
15:46:19  <planetmaker> why is it sad?
15:46:37  <Ammler> because I spent no love in making it
15:47:33  <planetmaker> you could still invest that love ;-)
16:02:16  <Ammler> planetmaker: the newgrf should automatically rise font size
16:02:57  <Ammler> maybe also the ttd font needs to be part of it
16:03:08  <planetmaker> why?
16:03:21  <planetmaker> you mean the large fonts newgrfs?
16:03:31  <planetmaker> Not sure one wants them automatically enabled
16:04:21  <Ammler> hmm, true
16:04:46  <planetmaker> it makes some things *really* large which one does not always want
16:05:21  <Ammler> the issue is with text buttons
16:07:17  <Ammler> I can plant trees over the whole map but not one single river tile
16:09:40  <planetmaker> single river tile? hasn't that an icon?
16:12:26  <Ammler> also the issue with having multiple version with same path is still there
16:12:57  <Ammler> shouldn't it be able to load at least the newest version in that case?
16:14:08  <Ammler> I guess, I still lack a proper bugreport for you :-P
16:14:13  <planetmaker> in the newgrf selection it should show the newest one only
16:14:23  <planetmaker> for existing games it should load the one which was previously used
16:14:43  <planetmaker> and yes. I couldn't follow that quite. And it seemed that rb neither could
16:14:48  <Ammler> planetmaker: openttd is not able to load 2 contents with same path
16:14:51  <planetmaker> last time you complained this vaguely
16:15:08  <Ammler> then it uses a random one, in my case the worse one
16:15:10  <planetmaker> please produce really a test case
16:16:16  <planetmaker> only if neither fits and both have the same version, a random one should be chose. Which should not be the case here, as the new has version 2
16:16:44  <Ammler> it does not get that far
16:16:52  <Ammler> as openttd isn't able to load it
16:17:06  <Ammler> so it can't determine the version
16:17:24  <Ammler> well, that is my guess, it loads the first and then skippes the rest
16:17:50  <Ammler> so which version you have is up to your filesystem
16:18:18  <planetmaker> please make a test case
16:18:33  <planetmaker> which another person can unzip and see
16:19:07  <planetmaker> if needed with two newgrfs and a savegame
16:20:21  <Ammler> well, I guess, this issue has become worse lately
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16:23:26  <Ammler> also what for do I need to download openttd.grf?
16:24:25  <planetmaker> it's part of the TTD baseset
16:24:44  <Ammler> shouldn't that be called original-extra.grf or so
16:25:12  <Ammler> and just download if you use the original set?
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16:25:51  <planetmaker> what would be the gain?
16:26:37  <Ammler> rename or optioal download?
16:26:57  <Ammler> openttd.grf looks like required
16:27:20  <Ammler> optional download not really much a gain
16:27:41  <planetmaker> an optional download would make it much more difficult
16:28:12  <Ammler> why, it is a baseset like opengfx
16:30:11  <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Industries - Revision 124:be6858fa6047: Add: Script to check translation status for nigh... (planetmaker) @
16:30:34  <Ammler> is the script not part of the framework?
16:32:10  <planetmaker> it is
16:32:34  <Ammler> I do not understand, why I am not able to load ogfx 0.3.7
16:32:47  <planetmaker> but I couldn't be bothered to do a full update now and I don't want false errors reported upon compile
16:33:09  <planetmaker> possibly you have a newer opengfx
16:34:26  <Ammler> what else then the path could it be?
16:34:46  <Ammler> I have a older selfbuild
16:35:19  <Ammler> r821
16:36:16  <Ammler> hmm, that should be newer as 0.3.7, right?
16:42:41  <Ammler> I am really not qualified anymore to make some testing, no clue anymore :-(
16:43:16  <planetmaker> 0.3.7                            746:029f04234558
16:43:24  <planetmaker> so your build is significantly newer
16:43:46  <Rubidium> or he has 100 local modifications in some branch lingering around!
16:43:55  <Ammler> yes, the obg is from the repo
16:44:20  <Ammler> but it seems the data files itself aren't, I have no sprites for the rivers
16:45:03  <Ammler> Rubidium: I am here :-P
16:45:06  <planetmaker> r821 is a version where building might have failed?
16:45:20  <Ammler> already updated
16:45:40  <Ammler> is the openttdcoop version bugged?
16:45:59  <Ammler> well, I do not update openttd itself now, maybe another time :-)
16:46:02  <planetmaker> I don't think so
16:46:12  <planetmaker> what openttd do you useß
16:46:14  <planetmaker> ?
16:46:19  <Ammler> ps
16:46:24  <planetmaker> should work
16:46:32  <Ammler> r22950
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16:47:19  <Rubidium> Ammler: it was meant to point out that comparing revision numbers of mercurial repositories is a flawed method of determining ancestry
16:48:07  <Ammler> he, true, the makefile framework should compare with server
16:50:31  <planetmaker> hardly feasible. And md5sums differ
16:52:36  <Ammler> I have indeed different sums
16:52:57  <Ammler> hg st isn't empty
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16:56:42  <Ammler> why again is there a "rm opengfx-r835-source.tar" ?
16:57:10  <planetmaker> it needs re-building when the source changed
16:58:09  <Ammler> extra builds with different md5sum
16:58:35  <Ammler> hg st is fine now
17:00:09  <Ammler> any clue what I shall look for?
17:03:05  <planetmaker> NML version?
17:04:00  <Ammler> was r1697
17:05:19  <Ammler> now I have matching md5sum but still got the error
17:05:50  <Ammler> it really would make sense to have a version check in the source
17:14:25  <Ammler> dbg: [grf] GRFInfo: Loaded GRFv7 set FF4F4701 - OpenGFX r835 (palette: Windows, version: 835)
17:14:27  <Ammler> dbg: [grf] [opengfx/ogfxe_extra.grf:276] GraphicsNew: Canal graphics (type 0x08) count must be at least 65. Only 4 were specified. Skipping.
17:16:37  <planetmaker> hm, then you need a newer opengfx :-)
17:16:42  <planetmaker> err. openttd
17:16:56  <planetmaker> but it should be fixed in opengfx
17:17:01  <Ammler> opengfx not compatible anymore with older openttd?
17:17:10  <planetmaker> it should. We should not use offsets
17:17:26  <Ammler> r835 is head
17:17:26  <planetmaker> we don't need to use offsets after all
17:17:42  <planetmaker> yes. I DO use offsets. I should not. I did not think of that during conversion
17:17:46  <Ammler> but I have missing sprites
17:17:55  <planetmaker> when things are skipped: sure
17:17:59  <Ammler> I have question mark where I should have teh lock
17:18:07  <planetmaker> that's skipped
17:18:12  <planetmaker> same error
17:18:27  <Ammler> yes, so how do I fix this?
17:19:20  <Brot6> ogfx-industries: update from r123 to r124 done (1 warnings) -
17:21:30  <Brot6> firs: update from r2626 to r2627 done -
17:21:31  <planetmaker> either update openttd (if just for you) or fix opengfx to define all canal sprites in one block
17:21:40  <planetmaker> I'll do it otherwise
17:22:26  <Ammler> :-)
17:22:51  <Ammler> well, you will change opengfx again so it is compatible again?
17:23:14  <Rubidium> he has to ;)
17:23:37  <Rubidium> or we'll have to flog him
17:23:42  <Ammler> he could state use opengfx < 0.4 for openttd < 1.2
17:24:07  <Ammler> :-)
17:24:39  <Rubidium> not a good proposition while 1.1 is still heavily used
17:24:46  <Ammler> planetmaker: anyway, couldn't you have told me that from the beginning, so I would not have spent the whole time looking for my issue :-P
17:25:01  <Rubidium> as people with both nightlies and stable will need the new opengfx, which messes up their stables
17:25:46  <Brot6> cets: update from r246 to r249 done (569 warnings) -
17:25:52  <planetmaker> Ammler: if I had _know_ that...
17:26:39  <Ammler> next time, I should check console a bit earlier ;-)
17:27:06  <Brot6> ogfx-biggui: update from r0 to r2 done -
17:28:46  <Brot6> fish: update from r684 to r687 done -
17:31:00  <Brot6> vactrainset: compile of r1 still failed (#3044) -
17:32:52  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Revision 836:faa8c8f4ec06: Fix: Define canals in one block for the sake of backward com... (planetmaker) @
17:33:00  <planetmaker> ^ try that version, Ammler
17:34:39  <Ammler> make[1]: `ogfxi_logos.grf' is up to date.
17:34:41  <Ammler> make[1]: Nothing to be done for `docs/license.txt'.
17:34:44  <Ammler> what's the difference?
17:36:04  <Ammler> planetmaker: success!
17:36:21  <planetmaker> oh. hm. I guess the makefile currently also fails to properly update the extra grf
17:36:23  <planetmaker> delete the nml
17:36:38  <Ammler> no, it worked?
17:36:47  <Ammler> why do you think so?
17:36:48  <planetmaker> but it rebuild the extra grf, yes?
17:36:52  <Ammler> yes
17:37:30  <Ammler> the 2 lines above is a question of interest
17:37:33  <Ammler> not a error
17:38:21  <Ammler> why are there 2 different texts "... is up to date" and "Nothing to be done for..."
17:39:13  <planetmaker> the txt file has nothing it is made of. the grf is made from others
17:40:10  <Ammler> dbg: [grf] [opengfx/ogfxe_extra.grf:1325] GraphicsNew: Shore graphics (type 0x0D) count must be at least 16. Only 10 were specified. Skipping.
17:40:11  <Ammler> dbg: [grf] [opengfx/ogfxe_extra.grf:2931] CanalMapSpriteGroup: Canal subset 8 out of range, skipping
17:40:31  <Ammler> but it worked...
17:41:26  <planetmaker> hm
17:41:38  <planetmaker> I guess...
17:41:45  <planetmaker> that can be fixed, too
17:42:07  <planetmaker> ah, no, that's something entirely different
17:42:11  <planetmaker> that's the buoy sprite
17:42:25  <planetmaker> I wonder though... it *should* be skipped by the versions which don't understand it
17:42:31  <planetmaker> I must have gotten the version check wrong
17:43:41  <Brot6> Unrealistic Trainset - Feature #3159 (New): Nuclear Train (V453000) @
17:43:52  <planetmaker> hm. no version check. So... that will be added, too
17:44:07  <Brot6> Unrealistic Trainset - Feature #3159: Nuclear Train (V453000) @
17:48:50  <Brot6> Unrealistic Trainset - Feature #3159: Nuclear Train (V453000) @
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18:01:10  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1699:d3cb37dc916e: Fix: Tileheight for canals was not returned in... (planetmaker) @
18:08:08  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Revision 837:1aea2bc5e96f: Doc: Meaning of some sprites (planetmaker) @
18:12:05  <Brot6> DACH Trains - Trains from the Region around Lake Constance - Revision 1:0fc83d675c56: added EAOS ... (officercrockey) @
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18:50:21  <Brot6> Unrealistic Trainset - Feature #3160 (New): Rail Hopper Wagons (V453000) @
19:02:33  <Brot6> clientpatches: compile of r23030 still failed (#2964) -
19:04:21  <Brot6> serverpatches: compile of r23030 still failed (#2966) -
19:06:20  <Brot6> 32bpp-ez-patches: compile of r23030 still failed (#2446) -
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19:26:52  <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Revision 250:341220b65baf: stub for passing slice argument to switch... (Eddi) @
19:26:52  <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Revision 251:e5f7270db333: generate switches for slices (not used yet) (Eddi) @
19:26:52  <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Revision 252:444e0c63d9a6: prevent lots of unused-warnings from appe... (Eddi) @
19:26:54  <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Revision 253:4553e6b44b51: special variables for slice decision chai... (Eddi) @
19:26:58  <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Revision 254:6c5036fbde80: introduce slice switch for 10lu templates (Eddi) @
19:27:02  <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Revision 255:68492b5a79e7: generate slice dummy switch for 10lu vehi... (Eddi) @
19:31:54  <Brot6> cets: update from r249 to r255 done (569 warnings) -
19:33:41  <Brot6> FISH - Revision 688:fc1a4ec1a0bf: Codechange: add a deprecation comment to the medium coaster file (andythenorth) @
19:33:41  <Brot6> FISH - Revision 689:46a3104c268b: Feature: 3 new small coasters (andythenorth) @
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19:38:21  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Bug #3161 (New): internal error with random_switch type 84 (FORWARD_SELF/B... (Eddi) @
19:39:32  <Brot6> Unrealistic Trainset - Feature #3162 (New): Rail Tanker Wagons (V453000) @
19:50:10  <Brot6> FISH - Revision 690:80a7c42b9563: Change: rename a coaster to something better (andythenorth) @
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19:50:42  <Brot6> DACH Trains - Trains from the Region around Lake Constance - Bug #3163 (New): EAOS (Yoshi) @
19:51:42  <Brot6> DACH Trains - Trains from the Region around Lake Constance - Feature #3163 (New): EAOS (Yoshi) @
19:54:07  <Brot6> DACH Trains - Trains from the Region around Lake Constance - Feature #3163: EAOS (V453000) @
19:59:19  <Brot6> DACH Trains - Trains from the Region around Lake Constance - Feature #3163: EAOS (Yoshi) @
19:59:19  <Brot6> Unrealistic Trainset - Feature #3164 (New): Rail Flatbed Wagons (V453000) @
20:00:39  <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Revision 256:d86f7b0244b3: introduce code to base random_switch on o... (Eddi) @
20:00:39  <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Revision 257:8cb4f641f00a: temporarily skip the problematic code of ... (Eddi) @
20:01:23  <Brot6> DACH Trains - Trains from the Region around Lake Constance - Feature #3163: EAOS (V453000) @
20:02:44  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Bug #3161: internal error with random_switch type 84 (FORWARD_SELF/BACKWAR... (Eddi) @
20:03:11  <Brot6> FISH - new_coasters.png (andythenorth) @
20:04:33  <Brot6> cets: update from r255 to r257 done (569 warnings) -
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21:18:18  <Ammler> hehe, cets number 3
21:26:30  <V453000> the additional sprites look nice :)
21:31:53  <Brot6> MailAI - Revision 19:c863390d0863: BUGFIX something went wrong in buildstationwithoutswitch, took... (Hephi) @
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22:11:33  <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Revision 258:23336e8e489d: document: the angles of the vehicle views (Eddi) @
22:15:44  <Brot6> cets: update from r257 to r258 done (569 warnings) -
22:16:20  <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Feature #3045: Länderbahn rolling stock (Eddi) @
22:16:30  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Revision 838:070677695067: Feature #3011: Respect snow density for river tiles (planetmaker) @
22:30:59  <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Revision 259:0323fbc3bf55: also add length to the documentation (Eddi) @
22:33:54  <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Revision 260:477754ad0376: rearrange the table (Eddi) @
22:35:10  <Brot6> cets: update from r258 to r259 done (569 warnings) -
22:37:03  <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Revision 261:6c05c63f091e: remove some redundant bits (Eddi) @
22:38:50  <Brot6> cets: update from r259 to r260 done (569 warnings) -
22:41:01  <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Revision 262:418ab61c62ad: minor alignment changes (Eddi) @
22:45:12  <Brot6> cets: update from r260 to r262 done (569 warnings) -
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23:36:51  <Brot6> DACH Trains - Feature #3163 (New): EAOS (Yoshi) @
23:36:51  <Brot6> DACH Trains - Feature #3163: EAOS (V453000) @
23:36:51  <Brot6> DACH Trains - Feature #3163: EAOS (Yoshi) @
23:36:51  <Brot6> DACH Trains - Feature #3163: EAOS (V453000) @
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