Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 12th November 2011:
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00:09:01  <Ammler> no
00:09:05  <Ammler> you tag the mq
00:09:23  <Ammler> hg tag --mq r22222
00:12:21  <ChillCore> I am still here ... done tagged -r22555
00:12:54  <ChillCore> minus -
00:14:19  <ChillCore> Sorry for the slow progress, I am still lost.
00:16:01  <ChillCore> anything else? Or just refresh commit and push now? (I already pushed a small change)
00:16:22  <Ammler> as it is not on the mainrepo. I see no refresh needed
00:17:01  <ChillCore> but i do have to commit first or not?
00:18:02  <ChillCore> I just want to avoid having to reset the repo again ...
00:18:16  <Ammler> hehe
00:18:31  <Brot6> Chill's PatchPack - Revision 0:48938a495e4e: chipp_v13_7_complete (chillcore) @
00:18:32  <Brot6> Chill's PatchPack - Revision 1:a77e76baa98f: small_change_in_the_changelog (chillcore) @
00:19:06  <Ammler> tag should complain, if you try to tag while there are still uncommitted changes
00:19:34  <Ammler> also tag does also commit usually
00:21:14  <ChillCore> So just push or was that the compilation that just showed up? There already was a tag in the repo ...
00:22:10  <Ammler> I moved your project so it will be announced here
00:22:34  <dihedral> hello Ammler :-)
00:24:00  <ChillCore> Ah Ok.
00:24:07  <ChillCore> Hi dih
00:25:26  <Brot6> Chill's PatchPack - Revision 2:b8aebeea4973: Added tag r22555 for changeset a77e76baa98f (chillcore) @
00:25:49  <dihedral> hey ho ChillCore
00:25:57  <ChillCore> That was it Ammler?
00:27:06  * ChillCore is a bit tired now
00:27:30  <ChillCore> I think the rest if there is more will be for tommorow.
00:27:38  <ChillCore> :)
00:34:03  <Ammler> where are the .devzone files?
00:34:17  <dihedral> .devzone files?
00:34:47  <dihedral> ah - patch queues?
00:38:35  <ChillCore> In my patches folder ... are they not pushed?
00:40:57  <ChillCore> Apparantly not? most like ly they are not yet under version control ... do I do "hg init  --mq" again to add them?
00:44:35  <ChillCore> dihedral: yeah and I am setting things up for the very first time ... without having much of a clue of what the hell I am doing. :P
00:45:33  <ChillCore> but I do have the feeling that I am almost there.
00:45:47  <ChillCore> I/we
00:48:22  <ChillCore> we/ye*xo-pm-Ammler  .... I am mostly following instructions and trying not to screw up.
00:50:48  <ChillCore> Trying is the keyword in the sentence above ...
00:52:52  <ChillCore> Ammler, ance I get the first compilation running I will be learning more offline first? in regards of hg. thank you for your patience. Much appreciated though.
00:53:12  <ChillCore> ance/once ?/.
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01:14:08  <Brot6> Chill's PatchPack - Revision 3:0f4b8d631b2a: add_devzone_files (chillcore) @
01:14:38  <ChillCore> Better now or do I need to tag again?
01:20:19  <ChillCore> ^^^ please pm me the answer if things are still not correct. I will adress any futher issues as soon as I wake up.
01:21:10  <ChillCore> Really really tired and need sleep .... Good night and thank you once more.
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09:33:49  <ChillCore> Goodmorning all.
09:34:43  <ChillCore> I was checking the extra zoom mq just now and I still need to tag again it seems
09:38:03  <Brot6> Chill's PatchPack - Revision 4:486b6b9254c4: Added tag r22555 for changeset 0f4b8d631b2a (chillcore) @
09:38:33  <ChillCore> I hope all is fine now :)
09:46:35  <Brot6> chillpp: update from  to r22555 done (4 warnings) -
09:56:26  <ChillCore> OOH ... only four warnings. They are known ones. Checking the rest of logs now.
10:09:07  <Rubidium> they should update their compiler. Then you get 6 extra warnings for free ;)
10:10:20  <Rubidium> you should also add the required grfs to the repository and copy them to the bundle directory in Makefile.bundle (like openttd.grf)
10:10:36  <Rubidium> that way the CF can make binaries that don't require extra downloads
10:11:02  <Rubidium> and you can way more easily enforce newer versions of the grf being downloaded when they're needed
10:11:13  <ChillCore> Hehe. I just thought the warnings disappeared for free (free of effort on my side that is)
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10:12:07  <Rubidium> /tmp/ warning: format ‘%d’ expects argument of type ‘int’, but argument 3 has type ‘long unsigned int’ [-Wformat]
10:12:28  <Rubidium> this one can be quite significant though
10:13:05  <ChillCore> Indeed it is.
10:14:03  <ChillCore> I will have a looksie it and add those grfs too. thank you for the hint
10:15:04  <ChillCore> Grfs might take some time though, in order to do it correctly right away.
10:15:36  <Rubidium> when looking at the code, that console command's printf will fail for 64 bits big endian builds
10:36:48  <ChillCore> I know already why I did not fix that ... I do not get that warning, doing a clean compile now.
10:38:44  <ChillCore> My AMD64 has 32bit OS at he moment ... going to download 64 Linux Mint 12-rc now and install ... I only hope it will not be a very slow download.
10:45:42  <ChillCore> Hmm. 42 minutes for 64 bit ... 6 hours for 32bit. I canceled 32bit.
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13:24:41  <ChillCore> ^^^ burning image ...
13:27:35  <Brot6> HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Revision 701:b305384a8f87: Change: remove spurious model year text... (andythenorth) @
13:27:35  <Brot6> HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Revision 702:234327847faf: Feature: Mackenzie Logging Truck - intr... (andythenorth) @
13:27:35  <Brot6> HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Feature #3191 (Closed): Newer models for logging trucks (andythenorth) @
13:38:14  <Brot6> HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Revision 703:07ad5e58b096: Feature: adjust Yonkers railmotor intro... (andythenorth) @
14:12:20  <Brot6> HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Revision 704:456c521eaf47: Change: update changelog preparatory to... (andythenorth) @
14:12:20  <Brot6> HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Revision 705:95371b27d558: Feature: better readme - for use with i... (andythenorth) @
14:13:14  <Brot6> HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Revision 706:db0493b660ec: Added tag 1.4.0 for changeset 95371b27d558 (andythenorth) @
14:15:22  <Brot6> heqs: update from 1.3.0 to 1.4.0 done -
14:17:47  <Brot6> HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Feature #3225 (Closed): Update readme for in-game reading (andythenorth) @
15:13:35  <Brot6> HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Feature #3238 (New): Unify tram cargo subtypes to enable auto-replace (andythenorth) @
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16:07:39  <Ammler> <-- the repo for the cf
16:14:40  <ChillCore> Thank you for the link.
16:25:14  <Ammler> and if youz check the graph, you will see, that the patch is not applied to head, but to the rev from you tag
16:25:41  <ChillCore> I might need some help later(*) to get the needed grfs in there too. Rubi*dium told me to put them in the bin and add them to the makefile.bundle just like (openttd.grf) but I have not found a reference to openttd.grf in the makefile (yet).
16:25:51  <ChillCore> Will check in a bit.
16:26:13  <Ammler> and tonight around 20 it will try to apply to head
16:26:40  <ChillCore> (*) I am going to continue looking later as for now I am setting up my other computer and might need to reboot my modem.
16:27:08  <ChillCore> I also might find the solution myself.
16:27:54  <ChillCore> head -> of current trunk? That will fail horribly untill restart all over. anyway to avoid this or is this not needed?
16:32:37  <ChillCore> Graph is cool. Looks just like the gui extension. :)
16:37:24  <ChillCore> Just a small question for now. Will I run into trouble if I keep tagging r22555 by force? <- the revision is unlikely to change with the complete version.
16:56:59  <Ammler> no
16:59:01  <ChillCore> Good to know that. I know I ask a lot of (really) basic questions. Almost everything I have done the last couple of days is new to me.
17:00:32  <ChillCore> But I am going to force myself to get better by only installing mercurail on my "development" computer.
17:11:41  <ChillCore> I will need to reset my modem. bbl.
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17:19:50  <Brot6> heqs: update from r695 to r706 done -
17:22:53  <Brot6> vactrainset: compile of r1 still failed (#3044) -
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18:53:30  <ChillCore> Rubidium: I will not be able to fix that 64bit warning at the moment.
18:54:17  <ChillCore> I need the Nvidea drivers for my desktop to be readable and responsive, unfortunately the servers are overloaded ...
18:54:43  <Rubidium> ChillCore: the "makefile" you couldn't find it in should be Makefile.bundle (or actually" target="_blank"> as Makefile.bundle is generated from" target="_blank">
18:56:02  <ChillCore> Fixing it on my 32bit comp will be near impossible as I do not get those warnings ... and changing random stuff without seeing if it helped is ... well ...
18:56:44  <ChillCore> I did find the makefile but there is no mention of openttd.grf at all int there.
18:57:25  <ChillCore> I see the data folders and other stuff that in bundled but as I am working with a patchqueue ...
18:59:09  <ChillCore> If I make a bundle locally then they are transfered to the bundle but just putting them there ... the bin is not under version control is it? so how do I get them in the mq?
18:59:31  <ChillCore> correctly that is.
19:00:28  <Brot6> GRFCodec - Revision 842:4fb3e96a8c1b: -Add: support for callback 15E (Rubidium) @
19:00:58  <ChillCore> in/is bundled     -> three lines back
19:02:26  <Brot6> clientpatches: compile of r23201 still failed (#2964) -
19:02:57  <Rubidium> bin is (partly) under version control
19:03:40  <Ammler> I assume the openttd cf does build openttd.grf
19:03:50  <Rubidium> it actually doesn't
19:03:59  <Ammler> oh :-o
19:04:16  <Brot6> serverpatches: compile of r23201 still failed (#2966) -
19:05:19  <Ammler> well then, patching openttd grf is useless, so you could/should add your gf to bin
19:05:38  <Ammler> be sure the mq supports binary diff
19:05:46  <Rubidium> when did I say he should patch openttd.grf?
19:05:49  <Ammler> enable git
19:06:18  <Brot6> 32bpp-ez-patches: compile of r23201 still failed (#2446) -
19:06:22  <Ammler> Rubidium: dunno, that would be just the nicest way :-)
19:06:27  <ChillCore> Rubidium: I will check if hg sees them as uncommited changes if I just place them in bin ...
19:06:34  <Ammler> no
19:06:42  <Ammler> but hg supports binary diff
19:06:44  <ChillCore> Ammler: enabling git crashes hg for me
19:06:59  <Ammler> hmm
19:07:05  <ChillCore> well it crahes python
19:07:17  <Ammler> then you should fix that
19:07:31  <Ammler> git diffs are very recommend
19:08:02  <ChillCore> By reporting the error? lol
19:08:11  <Ammler> no
19:08:13  <Ammler> what os you work on?
19:08:25  <Ammler> I thought, it is linux :-)
19:08:27  <ChillCore> Ubuntu 11.04 ... still
19:08:44  <Brot6> Chill's PatchPack - Bug #3239 (New): 78 (compiler) @
19:08:48  <Ammler> ten it is very strange
19:09:02  <Rubidium> Ammler: actually, for patch packs I'd argue that it is unwise to put the additional graphics in openttd.grf as then they won't be loaded with opengfx
19:09:29  <Ammler> true indeed
19:09:46  <Ammler> and in every case, you need binary support, ChillCore
19:10:06  <Ammler> alternative is to work with openttd fork instead mq
19:10:15  <ChillCore> ^^^ and they are not coded ... they are loaded statically without action 5
19:11:23  <Ammler> we have bookmark support, so you can work with hg like others work with git
19:11:58  <Ammler> means, instead mq, you could make one (unnamed but bookmarked) branch per patch
19:13:22  <ChillCore> openttdfork?  bookmark support?  me has more reading to do ... let me first try just copying to the bin ... brb
19:13:47  <Ammler> opnettd fork means just a branch of openttd on a sperate repo
19:14:37  <Ammler> if you would make that way, we would need to create a way to make patches from the branches
19:14:46  <Ammler> for interested people
19:14:57  <Ammler> but that is not very important
19:14:58  <ChillCore> Ah ok. As long as I can still easily update the source.
19:15:06  <Ammler> so basically we support already both ways :-)
19:15:25  <Ammler> ChillCore: you need binary diff support for mq
19:15:34  <Ammler> if you can't do that, mq is no option
19:16:15  <Ammler> at least you can't have the CF making the bundles with grf for you
19:16:51  <Ammler> but it is very strange that you do not support binary diff
19:16:57  <Ammler> which hg version do you run?
19:17:10  <ChillCore> Later it will be important as I do have the intention to keep patches separated.   I will look into that binary diff support. Google should have plenty of info.
19:17:32  <ChillCore> I have not yet tried copying them in the bin.
19:17:50  <Ammler> 90% here use linux and you are the first with that issue
19:18:46  <ChillCore> Mercurial Distributed SCM (version 1.7.5)
19:18:57  <Ammler> quite old
19:19:17  <ChillCore> newest for me unless I go PPA
19:20:29  <Ammler> you should in general always use th newest available sofware form somethng you start with
19:20:39  <ChillCore> And as the rest of my programs is most likely just as old, strange things may happen
19:21:09  <Ammler> then we would know, if this is an issue of your hg or of your os
19:21:51  <ChillCore> Updatemanager does not include new versions ... unless they are bugfixes -> ubuntu
19:22:14  <Ammler> that is usual distro strandard repo behavior
19:22:30  <Ammler> but nobody uses just standard repos :-P
19:23:18  <ChillCore> You do not want to know the version of OpenTTD they distribute :P Even in Ubuntu 11.10 it is already outdated :(
19:23:51  <ChillCore> 1.0.4 or something
19:24:51  <Ammler> they have it in the standard repos?
19:25:00  <Ammler> on suse, you don't get openttd there
19:25:19  * ChillCore is now going to copy those grfs to the bin to see what happens
19:25:34  <Ammler> and via the "games" repo, you have always the neest because I pack it
19:25:38  <Rubidium> Ammler: ofcourse it's in the standard repository for Debian derivatives
19:25:57  <Ammler> ChillCore: and then do a hg qnew
19:26:24  <Ammler> hg qnew -g
19:26:42  <ChillCore> Yes they distribute. My father could just download openttd on on his D-Media tablet Android 2.2 too
19:27:51  <ChillCore> biggui.grf  automatically downloaded along zith OpenGFX/SFX/MSX
19:28:20  <ChillCore> but completely unplayable. later on that I will make a post on the forums about that.
19:31:33  <Ammler> oh, you also need to add the files
19:31:35  <Ammler> hg add first
19:34:19  <ChillCore> Cool hg detects them ... I will remove them again first and make a seperate mq as you wish Ammler
19:35:43  <ChillCore> I will include the compiled grfs in data ¿and the sources in a sub folder of data?
19:36:24  <ChillCore> Rubidium ... I should have tried first. Sorry. Will do next time
19:36:45  <Ammler> not seperae queue, just a sep. patch for the binary
19:36:52  <Ammler> as svn does not support it
19:37:13  <Ammler> thanks to mq, multiple patches are no issue :-)
19:43:15  <ChillCore> hold on ... first I will copy my entire repo to be on the safe side. I tend to mess things up sometimes (-> like you did not know that yet).
19:43:33  <Ammler> not possible
19:43:37  <Ammler> or quite hard
19:45:34  <ChillCore> ? not a problem if you enable to show invisible files ... I do that all the time.
19:46:15  <ChillCore> ofcourse I have to be carefull from were I push now
19:46:26  <ChillCore> if that is what you mean
19:50:29  <Ammler> not really
19:50:37  <Ammler> just do configure it proper
19:51:01  <Ammler> so you do hg push --mq
19:51:17  <Ammler> and hg push will fail
19:53:26  <ChillCore> first add files on clean openttd source, then hg qnew -g, then commit, then push, then add tag. Should do it no?
19:54:13  <ChillCore> after applying the complete source mq too ofcourse
19:54:15  <Ammler> no
19:54:19  <Ammler> hg add before hg qnew
19:54:35  <Ammler> well, I would add git format to your hgrc
19:54:41  <Ammler> so you do not need to use -g everytime
19:55:52  <ChillCore> As I wrote ... if I add the git extension to my hgrc pushing will fail ... Ye*xo made me aware of that yesterday ... there are two pastebins from yesterday but I forgot the number.
19:56:19  <ChillCore> +s       Is there a logfile here ... like on irc#openttd
19:56:21  <Ammler> git extension?
19:56:34  <ChillCore> yes will prevent me from pushing
19:56:37  <Ammler> nobody ever spoke about git extension, I have no clue what that is
19:56:56  <Ammler> I just mean you should tell mercurial to make binary diffs
19:57:06  <Ammler> which means -g for diff
19:57:32  <ChillCore> ah ok. sorry misunderstood.
19:57:57  <Ammler> check manpage for hgrc and search for diff format
19:58:18  <ChillCore> ok. brb
20:20:47  <ChillCore> I tried adding the grfs and sourcesin my copied folder first ... using the gui as that is easier ... will do it again on the normal one and push if it seems okay to you.
20:21:56  <ChillCore> The difs for the grfs and pngs read "GIT binary patch" for the first line. the nfos and the readme are normal patches
20:23:02  <ChillCore> I have in my mq: 0 the complete patch; 1 the needed grfs
20:23:12  <ChillCore> + sources
20:24:18  <ChillCore> pardon me, 0 is the needed grfs
20:27:48  <ChillCore> one of the grfs needs renaming to be functional (three versions of the same). Maybe I should do that already to provide functioning out of the box?
20:28:42  <Ammler> of course
20:29:01  <ChillCore> Ammler I could pm you the diff of the grfs if you want/need to check ...?
20:29:24  <ChillCore> or does it seem okay form my discription?
20:30:05  <Ammler> no
20:30:10  <Ammler> you can push it
20:30:39  <ChillCore> first I need to do it again and rename :)
20:31:02  <ChillCore> And adjust the readme
20:31:34  <ChillCore> Just tell me to shut up ...  it if I talk too much ;)
20:31:56  <Ammler> no need
20:32:05  <Ammler> irc does not talk :-P
20:32:12  <Ammler> at least mine doesn't
20:32:29  <ChillCore> lucky you ... all of you
20:45:34  <ChillCore> Told you it would crash ... my copy just did again ... Can you give that pastebin link again, I forgot to bookmark it yesterday.
20:45:59  <ChillCore> you/someone
20:46:43  <planetmaker> what pastbin link?
20:48:49  <ChillCore> pastebin to paste text and then post the link if someone wants to look ... Ye*xo posted it yesterday ... I could search for it in my browser history.
20:49:34  <planetmaker>
20:49:38  <planetmaker>
20:49:43  <planetmaker>
20:50:16  <ChillCore> It was the first one :)
20:52:18  <Yexo> planetmaker: is ever cleaned?
20:53:08  <Yexo> well, my question is actually the other way around. If I paste something there, can I be reasonable sure it's still there in one month?
20:54:16  <ChillCore> Ammler:    it always happens after using that git binary thingy or if I put the "git =" in my hgrc file.
20:54:18  <planetmaker> I think it has also a selection about persistance
20:54:35  <planetmaker> I didn't think of it yet as permanent means, though...
20:54:55  <planetmaker> I'm not aware of it being cleaned, but I'm not sure whether Ammler setup a cleaning procedure for paste
21:03:28  <Ammler> ChillCore: could you please try with latest hg again
21:04:45  <Ammler> Yexo: every paste is for ever, it is sqlite db, if you ever need to delete a paste for some reason
21:05:59  <Yexo> no, no. I just nead some recent pastes to last at least a few weeks
21:06:51  <Ammler> thanks, I would have no clue how to remove a single paste yet
21:07:17  <ChillCore> Ammler: I could/will ... although I am about to migrate from this computer to the other, once the Linux Mint servers calm down a bit and I can get my grubby mits on the NVidea drivers I should have a newer version
21:07:55  <ChillCore> I will commit the grfs first.
21:25:50  <Brot6> Chill's PatchPack - Revision 5:605649a27922: add_needed_grfs_and_sources (chillcore) @
21:28:01  <Brot6> chillpp: compile of r23202 still failed (#3239) -
21:31:19  <Brot6> Chill's PatchPack - Revision 6:353f5fcd9112: Added tag r22555 for changeset 605649a27922 (chillcore) @
21:31:35  <Ammler> ChillCore: don't get it
21:31:55  <Ammler> I thought, you aren't able to create binary patches?
21:32:57  <ChillCore> Apparantly yes, but when using the gui extension it will crash when I close the gui.
21:33:43  <ChillCore> also when I put "git =" in the extension section of my hgrc it will crash but it will not wait untill I close the window.
21:34:15  <ChillCore> yesterday I had trouble even doing stuff from the console with the hgrc file as above
21:34:24  <ChillCore> I am as clueless as you ...
21:35:23  <Ammler> because it isn't a extension as I told you :-P
21:36:01  <Ammler> again, search for git format in hgrc
21:36:30  <Ammler> (section diff)
21:36:53  <ChillCore> Before or after I try a newer version of mercurial? :P
21:38:08  <ChillCore> ah ok. but the crashlog in the pastebin is without putting it in the hgrc file (even if it was the wrong place)
21:39:00  <Ammler> ok, so it is a issue with tortoisehg
21:44:54  <ChillCore> Untill now I just restart and all is fine ... I will search for a newer version.
21:45:24  <Brot6> HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Feature #3240 (New): Convert to grfv8 (andythenorth) @
21:46:24  <ChillCore> and will read about git format while I am there. ;)
22:05:22  <ChillCore> Oh my ... I am still using tortoisehg 1.1.4-1 and there is already a 2.2 version.
22:07:28  * ChillCore is thinking about getting Linux mint based on Debian instead of based on Ubuntu
22:07:47  <ChillCore> or as those versions even older there?
22:15:33  <Rubidium> ChillCore: if it releases more often than once every 2 years it's likely based on Debian Unstable or Debian Testing which generally have newer packages than Ubuntu as Ubuntu is leeching from Testing
22:18:21  <ChillCore> six months release based on Ubuntu. On debian will have to check ...
22:19:12  <Rubidium> Debian's release cycle is ~2 years
22:20:04  <Rubidium> Debian Stable that is; I'm running "unstable" and generally have no problems with that
22:20:15  <Rubidium> which gets updated a mere 4 times a day ;)
22:23:32  <ChillCore> Now that is what I call a service ... I have considered Debian before ... I have a 6.03 live cd but have ot really had the time to look at it yet.
22:26:31  <ChillCore> I have also recent OpenSuse, Kubuntu, Xubuntu and Linux Mint  ...  I really really do not like that Unity/Zeitgeist/obligated Ubuntu one account etc, stuff that they are shoving down our throats ...
22:28:16  <ChillCore> classic desktop is no longer classic :(    I do not need all that fluff, just my gnome 2.23 back
22:28:34  <ChillCore> but that is dead ... my hope is with Mate now
22:29:10  <ChillCore> else I'll go "shopping" again.
22:29:41  <ChillCore> end rant.
22:30:47  <ChillCore> I hope OpenTTD never dies ... It has no substitutes :)
22:33:11  <ChillCore> And me taking over (if ever) is a disaster waiting to happen. lol
22:35:02  <ChillCore> haha, imagine ... wiped disk, broken servers, the entire internet kaputt.
23:06:32  <ChillCore> Ammler: I have now added and installed PPAs for tortoise and mercurial.
23:07:35  <ChillCore> But I am going to test tommorow, I am going to fiddle a bit more with my other computer, unless i get tired of that and test anyway later tonight
23:08:05  <ChillCore> good night all. thank you for the help received once more.
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