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00:02:56 <ChillCore> Good night all and sweet dreams 00:03:26 *** ChillCore has quit IRC 00:36:43 *** welshdragon has left #openttdcoop.devzone 01:35:25 *** hanf has quit IRC 06:57:28 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 07:49:35 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 08:23:17 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Revision 841:1a802e35d18b: Change: Engine overrides are not needed anymore since r23232 (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/1a802e35d18b 09:46:33 *** frosch123 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 09:46:39 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 09:47:33 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 09:50:43 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Feature #3232 (Closed): Review readme file and its structure (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3232#change-8541 10:05:47 *** welshdragon has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 10:07:07 *** hanf has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 10:40:19 *** hanf has quit IRC 10:58:54 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Bug #3248 (New): Unknown property 2B in 1.1 branch (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3248 11:09:31 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 11:17:35 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Bug #3248 (Closed): Unknown property 2B in 1.1 branch (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3248 11:17:35 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Revision 277:0681427b7c7b: Fix #3248: Only declare the cargo aging property for... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-trains/repository/revisions/0681427b7c7b 11:17:35 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Bug #3248 (Closed): Unknown property 2B in 1.1 branch (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3248#change-8542 11:21:43 *** welshdragon has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:51:12 *** ChillCore has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:51:32 <ChillCore> Good morning all 11:51:38 <planetmaker> g'day 11:53:15 <ChillCore> planetmaker: Thanks for saving by butt there ... I knew that me quoting "a Dev" would create an ¿akward? situation somehow. 11:53:31 <planetmaker> uhm, sorry? 11:53:50 <planetmaker> what did I do what I'm not aware of? :-) 11:54:22 <ChillCore> Anyway ... Today will be another slow day for me ... Coding wise. I will be installing Linux Mint Debian including artioning. 11:54:51 <ChillCore> mhl: I saw the post before you posted ... just was not sure wat to say. ;) 11:54:53 <ChillCore> s wat/what 11:57:05 <ChillCore> Any ETA on the cf? ... just to be able to reply to a PM on the forum ... still no pressure. 11:58:03 <planetmaker> sorry, can't say. But TB seems occupied by some large patch work... 11:59:14 <ChillCore> I have seen his commits in the logs. No problem. I can always give the patchfile again for someone to compile if needed, just want to fix a fe more things first. 12:06:46 <planetmaker> well, the CF will come, I just can't give you an exact date; TB is not the person being kicked by anyone. My suggestion is: continue as usual :-) 12:08:55 <planetmaker> I only can try to not forget and remind him from time to time :-) 12:10:56 <ChillCore> As usual has always worked for me until now, will do. :) I'll help you remember from time to time if that is OK. :P 12:14:02 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Bug #3249 (New): nested conditionals not always properly treated (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3249 12:14:53 <ChillCore> Anyway thanks for the repo and pushing me yo use hg ... mq, version control and a complete version at the same time is all I ever wanted and more. 12:15:04 <ChillCore> s yo/to 12:16:07 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Bug #3249: nested conditionals not always properly treated (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3249#change-8543 12:27:33 <ChillCore> bbl ... I will be busy and not be able to reply anyway. 12:27:47 *** ChillCore has quit IRC 12:49:41 <Brot6> Swedish Rails - Revision 214:149462e3c4d6: Change: Update readme file to be of use for the ingame... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/swedishrails/repository/revisions/149462e3c4d6 12:49:41 <Brot6> Swedish Rails - Revision 215:d06d64432279: Change: [Makefile] Update to Makefile r380 (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/swedishrails/repository/revisions/d06d64432279 12:49:41 <Brot6> Swedish Rails - Revision 216:4f2d4fa6644f: Fix #3137: Parameter for selection of tunnel portals w... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/swedishrails/repository/revisions/4f2d4fa6644f 12:49:43 <Brot6> Swedish Rails - Bug #3137 (Closed): Parameters are screwed up (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3137#change-8544 12:53:30 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Landscape - Bug #3250 (New): Gridless sprites missing for tunnel portals (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3250 13:05:37 <Brot6> Swedish Rails - Revision 217:cf2a71ff4005: Change #2570: Ignore parameter to use TTD tunnel porta... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/swedishrails/repository/revisions/cf2a71ff4005 13:22:49 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 13:32:33 <Brot6> Swedish Rails - Revision 218:3203c4e339ac: Add: Support for infamous NoGridLand and add warning o... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/swedishrails/repository/revisions/3203c4e339ac 13:42:26 <Brot6> Swedish Rails - Revision 219:bfc8f73dd17e: Add: Support for Alpine Climate (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/swedishrails/repository/revisions/bfc8f73dd17e 14:28:18 *** welshdragon has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 14:58:54 <planetmaker> Yexo: with a custom error message, I don't want to display the first string parameter (i.e. the grf filename) but only the 2nd string parameter which is again custom-defined. Any way to skip the first string parameter? 14:59:19 <Yexo> don't think so 14:59:22 <Yexo> but let me check the code 15:02:21 <Yexo> no, there is no way to do that 15:06:06 <Yexo> actually, you might be able to get away with printing it and after that unprinting everything printed to far 15:06:12 <Yexo> using string code 9A 04 15:07:33 <Yexo> try a string like "{STRING}\UE09A\FFWhatever you want {STRING} and more" 15:07:42 <planetmaker> thanks, I'll give it a shot :-) 15:08:41 <planetmaker> "unprinting"... there are things in the string code which... are just strange :-) 15:10:39 <planetmaker> but it seems that the "unprinting" doesn't work. It's still printed 15:11:00 <planetmaker> Thanks anyway :-) 15:14:07 <Yexo> nvm, I see why it doesn't work 15:14:26 <Yexo> unprinting is only done when the newgrf textstack is used (ie for some callbacks) 15:14:36 <Yexo> it's not for the grf error messages 15:14:54 <planetmaker> removing this (mostly pointless) filename as 1st parameter to error messages might be a thing for grf v8 15:15:11 <Yexo> isn't it useful in the error popup? 15:15:11 <planetmaker> it was sensible as long as the context wasn't clear. But today... 15:15:25 <planetmaker> The name instead of filename would be better 15:15:33 <planetmaker> Or if I could custom-assign it 15:15:44 <frosch123> i think we can just print the grf name 15:15:45 <planetmaker> And in the case of notice and warning: it's 100% not needed 15:15:54 <frosch123> why text would rely on the filename? 15:15:56 <planetmaker> they're only shown when you select the newgrf anyway 15:16:04 <frosch123> planetmaker: not true 15:16:18 <planetmaker> debug output to console maybe? 15:16:18 <frosch123> oh, nvm. missed the line before :) 15:16:44 <planetmaker> yeah 15:16:59 <planetmaker> today I only added warnings to swedish rails ;-) 15:17:07 <frosch123> anyway, maybe we can support {SKIP}? 15:17:21 <Yexo> {SKIP} skips something from the newgrf textstack 15:17:29 <Yexo> not from openttd string arguments 15:17:59 <frosch123> is there a reason why that would not work for ottd string parameters? 15:18:15 <Yexo> yes, openttd never pushes them on the newgrf textstack 15:18:33 <frosch123> well, SKIP is SKIP? 15:19:00 <Brot6> Swedish Rails - Revision 220:3adaac1e1c57: Add: Compatibility for Japanese Landscape NewGRFs and ... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/swedishrails/repository/revisions/3adaac1e1c57 15:19:10 <Yexo> nfo knows no {SKIP}. Nml names it so after the openttd stringcode, but in reality it's "pop 2 bytes from the newgrf textstack" 15:20:28 <frosch123> we could translate SCC_NEWGRF_DISCARD_WORD into SCC_SKIP 15:20:53 <Yexo> that breaks other assumptions newgrfs have to make currently 15:21:03 <Yexo> although it would present a somewhat better interface 15:21:17 <frosch123> i mean only when no textstack is used 15:21:36 <frosch123> afaik the only place where newgrf messaged do not use the newgrf textstack are the error messages 15:21:51 <frosch123> and those messages only deal with word arguments 15:21:57 <frosch123> so skip and pop-word is the same 15:22:29 <Yexo> if you read "newgrf messages" as "newgrf strings returned by a callback" you might be right 15:22:42 <Yexo> otherwise definitely not. There are all sort of strings coming from newgrfs that don't use the newgrf textstack 15:22:49 <frosch123> such as? 15:23:02 <Yexo> names for just about everything 15:23:10 <frosch123> names have no parameters 15:23:14 <Yexo> every string referenced in an action0 15:23:39 <frosch123> which string referenced in an action0 takes more than one int? 15:23:40 <Yexo> anyway, the spec says "The formatting instructions must not be used except in strings that expect them," 15:23:55 <Yexo> frosch123: probably none 15:24:17 <Yexo> I agree it won't be a problem to change the behavior of 9A 04 15:24:31 <Yexo> ehm, not 9A 04 but 85 15:25:28 <Yexo> on the other hand, allowing SKIP there would indicate textstack support 15:25:43 <Yexo> which means that rotating the top 4 words or pushing extra words yourself (in the string) should work too 15:26:13 <Yexo> but openttd can't supprot that without actually using the newgrf textstack 15:26:15 <frosch123> ok, can we add textstack support for error messages? :p 15:26:51 <frosch123> hmm, though now that i remember. i think ttdp does not support other string codes either, since they have custom code to print the message to console or so 15:28:34 <Yexo> technically we could, but it would require english.txt including some newgrf codes 15:29:03 <Yexo> like {SCC_NEWGRF_PRINT_WORD_STRING_ID} instead of {STRING} 15:29:43 <frosch123> and if we support the textstack only for custom messages? 15:29:55 <Yexo> that is more feasable 15:30:10 <Yexo> but it'd still be very messy 15:30:28 <Yexo> newgrf strings have no way to include {RAW_STRING}, which is necesary for the filename argument 15:30:35 <Yexo> which after all doesn't have a StringID 15:31:10 <frosch123> he, that might actually be the reason for ttdps custom code :p 15:32:12 <frosch123> so, i guess no way 15:32:27 <frosch123> but real grfname might be useful nevertheless, instead of the filename 15:32:40 <Yexo> a new stringcode: {SKIP_FROM_OTTD_STACK} 15:33:51 <Yexo> or we could allow UNPRINT to work regardless of whether the rest of the newgrf textstack is supported 15:33:57 <Yexo> that would actually be the easiest change 15:34:10 <frosch123> then i would rather add custom code to process 85 specially for the error messages 15:36:58 <Yexo> a {SET_OTTD_STACK_POSITION} is useful in a few more locations 15:37:09 <Yexo> although I haven't seen a newgrf advanced enough to need it 16:27:36 <Brot6> Swedish Rails - Revision 221:dd6fe66f826d: Update: German translation (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/swedishrails/repository/revisions/dd6fe66f826d 16:45:26 <Brot6> Swedish Rails - Revision 222:83b0c837821f: Codechange: Query the desired tunnel portal separately... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/swedishrails/repository/revisions/83b0c837821f 17:09:41 <Brot6> Swedish Rails - Bug #2570: support for opengfx+landscape (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2570#change-8545 17:10:45 <Brot6> Swedish Rails - Feature #1496 (Closed): Compatibility check (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1496#change-8546 17:11:38 <Brot6> Swedish Rails - Feature #1495 (Closed): Sprites for menus (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1495#change-8547 17:19:40 <Brot6> ogfx-trains: update from r276 to r277 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/ogfx-trains/nightlies/r277 17:37:39 <Brot6> opengfx: update from r840 to r841 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/opengfx/nightlies/r841 17:38:29 *** hanf has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:39:49 <Brot6> swedishrails: update from r213 to r222 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/swedishrails/nightlies/r222 17:41:42 <Brot6> vactrainset: compile of r1 still failed (#3044) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/vactrainset/nightlies/ERROR/r1 18:12:03 <Brot6> Swedish Rails - Revision 223:01827f890d31: Prepare: Update documentation for 0.7.2 (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/swedishrails/repository/revisions/01827f890d31 18:12:03 <Brot6> Swedish Rails - Revision 224:0aa04c8a857d: Fix: Update displayed version also when calling 'make ... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/swedishrails/repository/revisions/0aa04c8a857d 18:12:03 <Brot6> Swedish Rails - Revision 225:75203bbcb940: Doc: Update readme with information on compatibility w... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/swedishrails/repository/revisions/75203bbcb940 18:12:07 <Brot6> Swedish Rails - Revision 226:1e20c547f150: Added tag 0.7.2 for changeset 75203bbcb940 (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/swedishrails/repository/revisions/1e20c547f150 18:13:48 <Brot6> swedishrails: update from 0.7.1 to 0.7.2 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/swedishrails/releases/0.7.2 18:23:22 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 18:24:36 *** welshdragon has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:31:42 *** ChillCore has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:32:12 <ChillCore> Hello all. 18:32:22 <planetmaker> hi ChillCore 18:33:34 <ChillCore> planetmaker: I still need to open my local repo and stuff. Just decided to log in as that is faster than pm's. 18:35:50 <Rubidium> ChillCore: please "sync" Makefile.msvc in your repository. The CF fails because the Makefile.msvc in the revision you patch against is too old 18:36:47 <ChillCore> Rubidium: Thank you for telling me. I have received a PM by planetmaker explaining things. ;) 18:36:55 <Rubidium> i.e. please apply r22576, r22679 and r22581 ;) 18:37:06 <planetmaker> ^ I didn't explain that ^ ;-) 18:37:29 <Rubidium> oh, r22579 instead of r22679 18:37:53 <Rubidium> but just to be safe, just copy Makefile.msvc from svn-HEAD and let hg generate the diff 18:38:11 <ChillCore> It is the first thing I will do. Ok that I did not know yet. I was just going to compare old and new but applying those revisions will go faster. Thank you 18:38:31 <ChillCore> As in just replace the file? 18:39:56 <planetmaker> bbl 18:40:51 <Rubidium> yep, just replace the whole file 18:41:07 <Rubidium> it's not as if you already patched the file ;) 18:42:05 <ChillCore> No I just checked ... and apparently you did already too. :) 18:57:07 <Brot6> Chill's PatchPack - Revision 15:a8ef0eb60fb9: CF: update Makefile.mscv (chillcore) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/chillpp/repository/revisions/a8ef0eb60fb9 18:57:07 <Brot6> Chill's PatchPack - Revision 16:04477c038e7a: Added tag r22555 for changeset a8ef0eb60fb9 (chillcore) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/chillpp/repository/revisions/04477c038e7a 18:57:18 <ChillCore> Done. 18:57:48 <ChillCore> I hope it works now ... 19:03:01 <Brot6> clientpatches: compile of r23235 still failed (#2964) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/clientpatches/testing/ERROR/r23235 19:05:13 <Brot6> serverpatches: compile of r23235 still failed (#2966) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/serverpatches/testing/ERROR/r23235 19:05:52 <Rubidium> ChillCore: we'll see, in many minutes 19:06:08 <Rubidium> somehow the compile farm is preoccupied at the moment 19:06:23 <frosch123> how unusual :p 19:07:10 <ChillCore> no problem ... may I ask when my repo is scheduled normally? 19:07:25 <ChillCore> not that it matters much. 19:07:32 <Brot6> 32bpp-ez-patches: compile of r23235 still failed (#2446) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/32bpp-ez-patches/testing/ERROR/r23235 19:07:45 <Rubidium> ChillCore: I don't think a "decision" has been reached on that 19:09:11 <ChillCore> Ok, I just would like to know so that I can say: "new compile at around x" when asked later. 19:09:12 <Rubidium> I think the 20:00 and 21:00 CE[S]T slots have been taken at the moment 19:09:36 *** JVassie has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:09:38 <Rubidium> well, what's your preference? 19:09:53 <ChillCore> for all I care it's 4 am. your choice. ;) 19:10:15 <ChillCore> s all/as far 19:10:30 <Rubidium> @random 19:10:34 <Rubidium> !random 19:10:36 <Rubidium> stupid bot! 19:10:40 <ChillCore> a day is a day is a day. 19:11:08 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:11:12 *** hanf has quit IRC 19:12:13 <Rubidium> ChillCore: so we should get http://blog.setcronjob.com/2011/08/random-minute-random-hour-and-multiple.html ;) 19:12:14 <Webster> Title: SetCronJob: Random Minute, Random Hour and Multiple Time values (at blog.setcronjob.com) 19:16:02 <ChillCore> hehe but !20:00 andand !21:00 (need to configere my keyboard urgently can not enter "absolute and" anyore, other keyboard broke) 19:17:50 <ChillCore> make it 4 am ... so people have something to look forward too in the morning ;) 19:18:18 <ChillCore> or evening if they have to work. 19:22:40 <ChillCore> will reduce multiple downloads too. if at say 22:00 they will download at 19:00 because they are impatient and will download again at 22:00. I know i did that too sometimes with nightlies. Now they will download once and just play :) 19:27:32 <planetmaker> omg... now SwissFan is sending me pm's to review his ski lift sprite (yes singular!)... 19:31:48 <ChillCore> And then he will change two pixels and ask again? oh boy. 19:32:58 <planetmaker> no clue. 19:33:15 <planetmaker> But to me it sounds like a prime task for "show in the forums and ask" 19:35:24 <ChillCore> Tell him the forum will get him more and faster feedback. I do that too when I get PMs about using my patchpack. I do reply to their question the first time though. 19:36:40 <ChillCore> I usually browse the forum while not logged in ... so it takes some time before I see a pm sometimes. 19:37:21 <ChillCore> ^^^ is my excuse. 19:38:16 <planetmaker> well, then you can't read it. People see that you have read the message 19:38:24 <planetmaker> thus it's not a good excuse 19:39:35 <ChillCore> True ... but in my case it is the truth. It takes sometime for me to notice. If I had not the intention to reply to Eddi I would not yet have seen your PM. 19:40:32 <ChillCore> I mention using the thread at the same time of replying. ;) 19:43:22 <ChillCore> Anyway, IMHO everyone should have his personal Dev for replying to questions. ....... moehahaha 19:45:25 * andythenorth has at least 7 of them 19:45:44 <andythenorth> this is why you are still waiting for yours :P 19:45:51 <planetmaker> lol 19:46:14 * planetmaker has some files to move... http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/childpp/releases/ - the name has a typo :-P 19:46:41 <planetmaker> but you could grab a binary and look how it looks, ChillCore 19:46:52 <ChillCore> good one andythenorth. 19:46:59 <planetmaker> even true :-P 19:47:03 <ChillCore> planetmaker: checking. 19:51:45 <ChillCore> Sweet ... muchos gracias for the efforts 19:53:35 <planetmaker> what does the version actually say ingame? 19:54:13 <ChillCore> still downloading windows binary ... 12 minutes left. 19:54:22 <planetmaker> uh?! 19:55:02 <ChillCore> it might speed up after a while ... +-7KB/s 19:55:52 <planetmaker> that's .... slow 19:56:02 <ChillCore> That happens with nightlies too sometimes and sometimes it amazingly fast 19:56:23 <ChillCore> depends traffic on server? 19:56:24 <Rubidium> planetmaker: that's top-of-the-line modem speed ;) 19:56:56 <planetmaker> :-D 19:57:09 <planetmaker> ChillCore: the server should have sufficient bandwidth... 19:57:18 <ChillCore> I do have 2MB Rubidium, although downloads rarely exceed 150KB/s 19:58:08 <Rubidium> ChillCore: 2MB advertised by the ISP? 19:58:34 <Rubidium> as then it's rather 2Mb, which translates to up to 250 KB/s 19:59:02 <ChillCore> Yes and tested with that speedtest thinghy, there it goes at 2MB. 20:00:40 <ChillCore> I am thinking to lower my subscription to 1MB. seeing as I never reach that speed anyway. -10 euros a month ;) 20:01:39 * Rubidium generally gets ~1.5-2 MB/s 20:01:57 <ChillCore> The upside is that whatever subscription I take I have nu up/download limits whatsoever with Clearwire. 20:02:19 <ChillCore> I would reach them soon if I had those 20:02:22 <Rubidium> ghehe... that's the biggest lie I'm hearing all the time 20:03:07 <planetmaker> I've like 750kB/s or so 20:03:18 <Rubidium> I'd really argue that you're capped at say 170 GiB/day 20:03:31 <ChillCore> its true I have never been cut and recently I downed many many GB with all those distros to test. 20:04:45 <ChillCore> Here in Belgium they are talking about opening up everyones wifi for people that pass by to use the connection too. 20:05:01 <ChillCore> but they will up everyones connection to 100MB/s 20:05:11 <planetmaker> iirc it is 20:05:23 <planetmaker> ehm, ^^ ignore 20:05:39 <ChillCore> My father works at Belgacom so that is how I know ... almost retired though 20:07:13 <Rubidium> sadly enough anything about ~1MB/s won't make internetting observably faster (except for big downloads) 20:08:18 <Rubidium> I've had 100 Mbps for a while and I wouldn't say internet got much faster due to it; Windows update still crawled at a whopping 400 KBps 20:08:28 <ChillCore> true as a lot depends on the server you download from, they impose their limits. 20:08:34 <Rubidium> my Debian package updates went lightning fast though 20:09:00 <Rubidium> ChillCore: internet speed is mostly latency about 1MB/s 20:09:27 <Rubidium> s/about/above/ 20:09:39 <ChillCore> ^^^ meaning? 20:09:41 <Rubidium> and faster throughput doesn't decrease the latency 20:09:50 <ChillCore> ah 20:10:08 <Rubidium> the best analogy I ever saw is the following: 20:10:50 <Rubidium> imagine a trip Europe - US in a Boeing 737, what would make it "faster" 20:11:21 <Rubidium> if you look at latency: go for the concorde, it gets there in 1/3 of the time (but with fewer passengers) 20:11:44 <Rubidium> if you look at throughput: use a A380 which has 3 times the capacity but goes the same speed 20:12:47 <planetmaker> hm... I just might have killed your download, ChillCore 20:12:51 <planetmaker> I moved the files 20:12:57 <ChillCore> So you transport the same in the end and the concorde has no use for the transport company. I see 20:13:17 <planetmaker> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/chillpp/releases/h98b89714/ 20:13:47 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 20:13:48 <Rubidium> so if you need to fetch one briefcase in the US, you're way faster off going with the Concorde. If you need to get a lot of people over, then you take the A380 20:14:31 <planetmaker> which will be the permanent position for that build (unless you want the dir named differently). 20:14:34 <Rubidium> though the ISPs are *only* selling you larger and larger planes, even though your most common use case is fetching a briefcase. So the internet won't get faster 20:14:39 <ChillCore> planetmaker: I was just starting it up :) ingame string is h98 ... so that is perfect 20:14:39 <planetmaker> But the CF will name subsequent dirs the same 20:14:54 <planetmaker> same as in "use hg hash" 20:15:03 *** JVassie has quit IRC 20:15:09 <planetmaker> good 20:15:36 <ChillCore> planetmaker: Dir name is fine. 20:15:48 <planetmaker> then you can publish it ;-) 20:16:09 <ChillCore> Rubidium: I see 20:16:37 <ChillCore> planetmaker: Yay. 20:17:21 <ChillCore> But first I will try cloning the repo again with -mq at the end ;) 20:17:28 <planetmaker> :-) 20:17:41 <planetmaker> you mean with .mq? 20:17:59 <planetmaker> or with --mq? 20:18:04 <planetmaker> :-) 20:18:38 *** JVassie has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:19:03 <ChillCore> I guess so yes. .mq or whatever Rubidium told me yesterday I still have it in my terminal history. :) 20:22:11 <ChillCore> Anyway the binary seems to be OK. 20:22:16 * ChillCore is happy 20:24:44 *** JVassie_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:26:07 <planetmaker> good to hear :-) 20:26:39 *** JVassie has quit IRC 20:27:20 <ChillCore> Do say thank you to Truebrain for me, please. 20:27:37 <planetmaker> he's in #openttd ;-) 20:28:35 <ChillCore> uhm right ... I guess I could do it myself. 20:31:04 <ChillCore> Yay once more ... cloning worked too correctly and the grfs are there. 20:31:17 <ChillCore> with .mq 20:31:30 <frosch123> ttrs/scripts/Makefile.obm <- planetmaker: btw. what kind of file is that? 20:31:41 <frosch123> it confused ottd due to the obm extension 20:32:07 <planetmaker> it's a file which ttrs does not need. It contains rules to build a music base set 20:33:21 <planetmaker> but... why does your openttd search in the source folders of the newgrfs? :-) 20:33:23 <frosch123> yeah, but i have all the grf repos in my ottd data directory, so now ottd tries to read that Makefile as music baseset :p 20:33:32 <planetmaker> :-D 20:33:34 <frosch123> i can just pull and make 20:33:41 <frosch123> no need to copy the output around 20:33:43 *** ChillCore has quit IRC 20:33:58 <planetmaker> right. You'll find it confused by obg files, too? 20:34:03 *** JVassie_ has quit IRC 20:34:18 <frosch123> seems like i have none :) 20:34:47 *** ChillCore has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:34:48 <planetmaker> maybe that didn't propagate from the newgrf makefile framework yet 20:38:11 <Brot6> Total Town Replacement Set - Revision 41:95d87dfbb87a: Cleanup: [Makefile] Don't include parts wh... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ttrs/repository/revisions/95d87dfbb87a 20:38:19 <planetmaker> ^^ frosch123 ;-) 20:41:55 <frosch123> :) 20:42:20 <ChillCore> brrr too many people. lol 20:42:32 *** welshdragon has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:42:35 <ChillCore> as I said. bbl 20:43:26 <planetmaker> many people just idle there 20:43:33 <planetmaker> as do here :-) 20:44:03 <ChillCore> still, usually I am very fond of chatting. 20:44:26 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 20:44:40 <ChillCore> mainly because once I start ... I do not shut up anymore :P 20:45:05 *** welshdragon has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:45:25 <andythenorth> ChillCore: mostly in #openttd all you will find is me talking to mysefl 20:45:32 <andythenorth> I could be replaced by a bot 20:45:32 <andythenorth> ] 20:45:36 <andythenorth> it would be trivial 20:46:50 <planetmaker> lol 20:47:15 <ChillCore> I did read some of the logs ... yes, you talk a lot but a bot would make less sense ... at least most of the times :P 20:48:07 <andythenorth> or more sense 20:49:00 <planetmaker> definitely more boring, though 20:49:18 <ChillCore> If you say so. I like how you push things ... GRF wise. 20:49:34 <andythenorth> do (random interval) { post(('multistop docks!', 'vehicles in vehicles!', '3 tile locks are stupid', 'who needs roadtypes anyway?')[random()]) } 20:49:54 <ChillCore> which are not my cup of tea ... everytime I get involved it gets ... messy 20:49:58 <frosch123> you forgot "/me is fixing lightnig" 20:50:09 <andythenorth> yeah, I fix lightning a lot 20:50:21 * andythenorth is planning for the weather framework 20:50:33 <planetmaker> haha :-) 20:50:46 <planetmaker> shame that you don't fix the wind direction, too :-P 20:50:48 * andythenorth is sometimes tempted to wave a cross stick at purno for that incorrect tutorial, but meh 20:50:50 <frosch123> did i already told in public, that games with weather are the biggest crap ever invented? 20:50:51 <ChillCore> fans near the monitor controlled by GRF? 20:50:54 <planetmaker> but that might be my glass of beer 20:50:55 <andythenorth> wind is localised 20:51:11 <planetmaker> pretty much 20:52:11 <ChillCore> or entire domotica ... airconditioning lights the whole works? 20:52:56 <ChillCore> Now that is an idea to keep you busy andythenorth 20:53:00 <andythenorth> this game had weather, it was awesome: http://codenamedroit.wordpress.com/2009/09/12/chocks-away/ 20:53:02 <Webster> Title: Chocks Away | Codename Droit (at codenamedroit.wordpress.com) 20:53:50 <ChillCore> Rain would suck near the computer ... I veto that now :) 20:55:30 <andythenorth> NewWeather 20:56:00 <andythenorth> we could connect it to...NewDisasters 20:56:33 <planetmaker> NewDisasters would be interesting 20:56:59 <planetmaker> Though I guess they could be covered / included in goals (scripts) 20:57:09 <planetmaker> thus no double work needed there 20:57:21 <andythenorth> goals will never happen :P 20:57:26 <andythenorth> like BANDIT 20:57:59 <planetmaker> andythenorth: what do you bet? :-P 20:58:18 <andythenorth> what have you got? :P 20:58:28 <andythenorth> NewSmoke! 20:58:38 <andythenorth> currently !NewSmoke 20:58:39 <andythenorth> :P 20:59:18 <planetmaker> I give you gridless OpenTTD when you ask me "what I got" :-) 20:59:42 <planetmaker> That's what I'll give you when we have no goals. What do I get when we have goals? :-P 21:00:25 <ChillCore> Goals ... remind me ... another patch that is broken. :) 21:00:30 <ChillCore> +s 21:00:40 <planetmaker> no, no ;-) 21:01:01 <andythenorth> planetmaker: what do you need? :P 21:01:20 <planetmaker> http://hg.openttd.org/ <-- look through list, ChillCore ;-) 21:01:53 <planetmaker> andythenorth: improved stations :-) 21:01:58 <planetmaker> also passenger 21:02:37 <ChillCore> yes, yes, I have to rewrite my town growth patch to bump it. checking list now 21:03:17 <planetmaker> hint: go by age ;-) 21:04:30 <ChillCore> Correction, I can throw it away ;) 21:04:34 <ChillCore> soon 21:06:05 <ChillCore> I only went by the changelog and saw the preparations. 21:06:28 *** JVassie has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:06:42 <planetmaker> ChillCore: that's mostly why setting up the CF took so long :-P 21:07:08 <ChillCore> very good reason indeed. 21:07:11 <frosch123> [22:04] <ChillCore> Correction, I can throw it away ;) <- don't hold your breath though :p 21:08:16 <andythenorth> planetmaker: improved stations? 21:08:24 <ChillCore> my version works pretty good. It was hard getting the balance right. -> and still is not 100% 21:09:14 <planetmaker> andythenorth: like extended chips :-) 21:09:40 <planetmaker> I love that set. It's easy-peasy to make nice stations. 21:09:44 <planetmaker> But fails in towns 21:10:01 <planetmaker> or could allow some more variants for cargos :-) 21:10:33 <ChillCore> frosh123: I based mine on population and as towns grow it becomes near impossible to keep up 21:10:54 <ChillCore> frosch123: autocomplete 21:11:04 * planetmaker donates a 'c' to ChillCore... 21:11:05 <ChillCore> heh 21:11:08 <planetmaker> too late, though ;-) 21:11:13 <ChillCore> thanks planetmaker 21:11:29 <ChillCore> I still missed one 21:11:29 <andythenorth> frosch123: you mean like 'chips 1.0' :P 21:11:45 <andythenorth> oops 21:11:46 <planetmaker> quäk 21:11:47 <andythenorth> sorry frog 21:11:56 <andythenorth> I meant the other guy 21:12:04 *** planetmaker is now known as planet-of-frogs 21:12:13 <andythenorth> anyway, CHIPS is wide open for improvement :P http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/chips/issues 21:12:29 <andythenorth> no release since April 21:12:33 <frosch123> ChillCore: i highlight on "frosh" for years :p 21:12:58 <andythenorth> 32k downloads for CHIPS, maybe time for a new one 21:12:59 <ChillCore> I can see why. 21:13:10 <planet-of-frogs> grain and fish would be nice, andythenorth :-) 21:13:23 <planet-of-frogs> but... I guess you don't like to draw cargo graphics ;-) 21:13:31 *** planet-of-frogs is now known as planetmaker 21:14:13 <andythenorth> fish is what, crates? 21:14:32 <andythenorth> grain is what? like bulk? 21:14:37 <planetmaker> maybe. Or refrigerated containers. Or barrels. 21:14:46 <andythenorth> barrels are also possible 21:22:05 *** LordAro has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:22:38 <planetmaker> andythenorth: what might be nice is also unloading or loading graphics with an animated crane 21:22:48 <planetmaker> dunno whether it's possible to see what is being loaded 21:23:26 <ChillCore> Hi LordAro. 21:23:47 <LordAro> hi chillcore :) 21:23:52 <LordAro> *Chillcore :) 21:24:23 <ChillCore> *ChillCore 21:24:27 <ChillCore> lol 21:24:36 <ChillCore> does not matter 21:24:37 <LordAro> dammit 21:24:40 <LordAro> :P 21:24:58 <LordAro> ChillCore: ever considered joining #openttd ? - its moar fun and offtopic :) 21:25:16 <andythenorth> planetmaker: I was trying to stay away from animated cranes and such... 21:25:28 <andythenorth> they're pretty good in ISR already 21:25:29 <planetmaker> :-) 21:26:05 <ChillCore> LordAro: I am used to that ... in the german comunity they even play with the chillipp 21:26:14 <ChillCore> +m 21:26:42 <ChillCore> Anyway our waiting days are over for the cf to be fixed. 21:27:22 <LordAro> yay :) 21:27:27 <ChillCore> #openttd ... too many people for my taste. I just was there to say thank you to Truebrain. 21:27:50 <ChillCore> you was there too but you did not see :P 21:27:54 <planetmaker> EZ still needs setup. But we've now figured out how to do that 21:30:30 <ChillCore> LordAro: I was in stealthmode as only one ChillCore can exist on irc it seems so I was "chill" ... incognito :P 21:30:52 <ChillCore> planetmaker: this time it will be easier I'm sure. 21:31:00 <Ammler> ChillCore: you need to learn to silently ignore some talk 21:31:26 <Ammler> then #openttd is fine 21:31:31 <planetmaker> yes, ChillCore 21:32:52 <ChillCore> That would help Ammler but then I see the thingy flashing and I read anyway. 21:33:53 <ChillCore> I have been trying to compose a post for the last hour or so ... so I will get to it now and silently ignore some talk :P 21:33:56 <ChillCore> bbl 21:40:52 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 21:46:55 *** welshdragon has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:48:00 <ChillCore> planetmaker: Can I change the clone location on this page http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/chillpp/repository ? It should have the .mq extension for the complete source to be cloned. As it is now people will only get the mq, unless that changed too 21:50:46 <planetmaker> That's only feasible with difficulty. 21:51:04 <planetmaker> And would basically make that project's repo the patched one 21:51:15 <planetmaker> Just mention the link in the project description 21:51:34 <planetmaker> As that project itself is the patch queue. 21:51:41 <ChillCore> then don't bother I will mention it in my post. you were faster. 21:51:46 <planetmaker> alternatively they can also get the source bundle from where the binaries are 21:51:56 <planetmaker> it should contain also a source tar ball 21:52:03 <ChillCore> Ok. it does 21:52:15 <planetmaker> though that's not as good as using the repo 21:52:46 <LordAro> planetmaker: how's ez setup going? ;) 21:53:19 <ChillCore> planetmaker: obviously. 21:53:22 <Rubidium> that doesn't even compile according to the bot 21:54:09 <LordAro> ah, hang on 21:55:13 <Brot6> 32bpp-ez-patches - Revision 90:529f41b94ab8: Update: To svn r23050 (LordAro) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/32bpp-ez-patches/repository/revisions/529f41b94ab8 21:55:13 <Brot6> 32bpp-ez-patches - Revision 91:0200b9491c18: Added tag r23050 for changeset 529f41b94ab8 (LordAro) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/32bpp-ez-patches/repository/revisions/0200b9491c18 21:55:52 <LordAro> hah. 21:55:53 <LordAro> :P 21:56:08 <LordAro> of course, that may not work now :) 21:56:39 <Brot6> 32bpp-ez-patches - Bug #3251 (New): 78 (compiler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3251 21:57:17 <LordAro> "Descripton: 79" 21:57:20 <LordAro> how helpful 21:57:54 <planetmaker> :-P 21:58:23 <planetmaker> Ammler: http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3251 <-- the compiler might produce some more meaningful bug report in this situation ;-) 22:00:39 <LordAro> doesn't seem to be a problem at my end (at least, nothing at bundles.openttdcoop.org is modified (yet)) 22:01:00 *** hanf has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 22:03:51 *** andythenorth has left #openttdcoop.devzone 22:04:40 <Ammler> planetmaker: I see the issue 22:05:05 <Ammler> ChillCore: is not known to the compiler afaik 22:06:40 <ChillCore> What does that mean? 22:06:56 <Ammler> lack of me :-) 22:06:59 <Ammler> I will fix it 22:07:06 <planetmaker> Ammler: it's lord aro's project ;-) 22:07:30 <LordAro> i did wonder why ammler was tlaking to chill :) 22:08:03 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 22:08:46 <ChillCore> Ammler: Thank you. planetmaker: That too. LordAro: I wondered if I was in trouble again 22:08:46 *** welshdragon has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 22:09:05 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 22:09:16 * ChillCore continues writing 22:11:32 <Ammler> oh 22:11:40 <Ammler> well, LordAro might also not known 22:12:01 <LordAro> indeed not :L 22:57:17 <Brot6> 32bpp-ez-patches - Revision 92:aad1c0654225: Update: to r23236 (LordAro) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/32bpp-ez-patches/repository/revisions/aad1c0654225 23:09:40 *** LordAro has quit IRC 23:21:33 *** JVassie has quit IRC 23:26:03 <ChillCore> Binaries announced. I rewote that post "only" three times. :P 23:37:31 <ChillCore> Good night all. Sweet dreams 23:37:40 *** ChillCore has quit IRC 23:47:30 <frosch123> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/chillpp/releases/ <- LATEST does not link to latest