Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 23rd January 2012:
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05:10:04  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Revision 757:5d993ad709b8: New Class 66 sprites, Italian translation (thanks Sam)... (EmperorJake) @
05:32:56  <Brot6> 2cctrainset: update from r756 to r757 done (78 warnings) -
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12:13:34  <Brot6> Dutch Trains 2.0 - Feature #3584 (New): NS 1000 (Voyager1) @
13:21:22  <Brot6> Dutch Trains 2.0 - Feature #3584: NS 1000 (oberhuemer) @
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16:51:52  <Brot6> Dutch Trains 2.0 - Feature #3584: NS 1000 (Voyager1) @
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17:13:18  <Brot6> nml: update from r1786 to r1792 done -
17:21:49  <Brot6> 2cctrainset: update from r756 to r757 done (78 warnings) -
17:23:50  <Brot6> ogfx-biggui: update from r9 to r11 done -
17:24:13  <welshdragon> Which is better, JOAN or Autopilot?
17:24:28  <dihedral> joan is just a library
17:24:35  <dihedral> grapes is not really 'ready'
17:24:38  <Brot6> Dutch Road Furniture - Revision 144:e068afa7436f: Change: require OpenTTD r23842 (closes #3573) (foobar) @
17:24:38  <Brot6> Dutch Road Furniture - Revision 145:4e0ba987100e: Feature: have shoulder end pieces recognize man... (foobar) @
17:24:38  <Brot6> Dutch Road Furniture - Bug #3573 (Closed): overbuildable object are also overbuilt by town owned ... (foobar) @
17:24:39  <Brot6> Dutch Road Furniture - Bug #3574 (Closed): shoulder ends don't recognize all relevant other objec... (foobar) @
17:24:56  <welshdragon> ok, so attempt to use AutoPilot
17:25:06  <dihedral> so unless you start coding, autopilot or an alternative thereof will be your only way forward - or another tool that uses the admin network
17:25:17  <dihedral> attempt? ap is simple :-P
17:25:35  <welshdragon> last time I tried I failed miserably
17:29:37  <Brot6> firs: update from r2701 to r2709 done (6 warnings) -
17:33:41  <dihedral> then you did something wrong ;-)
17:53:56  <Brot6> opengfx: update from r903 to r905 done -
17:55:49  <Brot6> foobarstramtracks: rebuild of r23 done (Diffsize: 37132) (DiffDiffsize: 7145) -
18:17:25  <welshdragon> well, now I can't install it :(
18:18:32  <Brot6> Dutch Trains 2.0 - Feature #3585 (New): NS 6400 (Voyager1) @
18:23:24  <Yexo> Hirundo / planetmaker: removing the xor mask is fine with me
18:25:32  <welshdragon> dihedral: is there an easy way to install autopilot? :P I get an error code 1 when I try to extract the tar.bz2 on Ubuntu
18:32:21  <Brot6> dutchroadfurniture: update from r143 to r145 done -
18:48:31  <Brot6> Following repos rebuilds successful without any difference to earlier nightlies builds: ogfx-trains (Diffsize: 23937), ogfx-industries (Diffsize: 114167), bandit (248 warnings), cets (387 warnings), manindu (Diffsize: 2), newgrf_makefile (Diffsize: 12), dutchtrains, rust (Diffsize: 188), dutchtramset, swisstowns (Diffsize: 43), spanishtowns (Diffsize: 8), frenchtowns (Diffsize: 21), ogfx-rv, ogfx-landscape (2 warnings) (Diffsize: 828),
18:48:31  <Brot6> swedishrails, german-townnames (Diffsize: 51), dach, belarusiantowns (Diffsize: 64), indonesiantowns (1 warnings) (Diffsize: 29), airportsplus (Diffsize: 441059)
18:54:00  <planetmaker> welshdragon: dunno which tar you got or from where. In any case it might be better to get the hg checkout of the repo:
18:56:53  <welshdragon> it was on ^
19:07:38  <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Landscape - Bug #3586 (New): wind turbine: re-check ground at sea-level for flooding (planetmaker) @
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19:38:24  <welshdragon> now my luck really is running out, markjones@welshdragon:~/openttd-is2-IS2.1.1-linux-generic-i686$ openttd -D
19:38:24  <welshdragon> bash: openttd: command not found
19:41:14  <Ammler> you really should stop using linux that way
19:41:41  <Ammler> you have obviously no clue about the most dummy ways
19:42:39  <Ammler> start with simple linux for dummies guides, if you have done that, come back :-)
19:43:28  <welshdragon> :(
19:43:37  <welshdragon> I guess I'm out of touch
19:44:11  <Ammler> yes, it seems so, you blame autopilot for simple linux issues :-)
19:44:35  <welshdragon> I'm not even using Autopilot now
19:44:44  <welshdragon> i'm just trying to start the server!
19:45:00  <Ammler> yes, with a typical windows command :-)
19:45:39  * welshdragon headdesks
19:45:50  <Ammler> well, we can teach you linux too
19:45:56  <Ammler> try with ./openttd
19:46:17  <Ammler> but please do also explore the difference between the commands
19:48:46  <welshdragon> right, now i am told it is now missing LibSDL
19:48:55  * welshdragon knows what to do
19:55:45  * andythenorth asked some buildout questions today btw
19:56:03  <andythenorth> probably a fix available some time
19:57:07  <andythenorth> but I also discovered py2app for OS X
19:57:24  <andythenorth>
19:57:25  <Webster> Title: py2app - Create standalone Mac OS X applications with Python (at
19:59:04  <andythenorth> my description of current solution for installing PIL manually was met by "oh god, tell me you didn't install PIL to the default location."
19:59:18  <andythenorth> followed by "if you've done that, *please* let me login to your box to remove it"
20:00:04  <andythenorth> :)
20:06:50  <Ammler> welshdragon: yes, sadly openttd doesn't provide dedicated binaries, only "good" distros do
20:09:20  <Ammler> openttd devs have the wrong assumption that someone running server should also be able to build it self ;-)
20:13:14  <Rubidium> yes, there are too many servers
20:13:42  <Rubidium> also... back in the days we did build dedicated servers there were many people complaining "it didn't work"
20:14:39  <Rubidium> "dedicated-only" isn't a clear enough name for dedicated server builds
20:15:48  <Ammler> hmm, couldn't it be possible to build the openttd binary so if you start with -D, it doesn't require sdl?
20:16:52  <Rubidium> yeah, only caveat is that OpenTTD then has to do the searching for the library instead of the runtime linker
20:18:28  * Rubidium also wonders how long it'll take before people request that it should just start the dedicated server if the sdl is missing
20:18:41  <Ammler> good idea :-P
20:18:52  <Ammler> not really, though
20:19:15  <Ammler> same issue as you do not build dedicated automatically
20:20:33  <Ammler> could be an idea if you plan to split openttd in different parts, like core, gui, server etc.
20:21:02  <Rubidium> sounds like too much work for too little benefit
20:21:30  <Ammler> hmm, isn't that a goal for future "autoupdate" and supporting different servers
20:22:01  <Rubidium> which future?
20:22:26  <Ammler> :-)
20:42:45  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Feature #3581: Consider removing buildout (andythenorth) @
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