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00:01:39 *** JohnWhite has quit IRC 00:01:40 *** Revelator has quit IRC 01:32:19 <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Feature #3780: correct sounds (oberhuemer) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3780#change-9925 01:34:25 <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Feature #3620: Use 32 bpp sprites (oberhuemer) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3620#change-9926 02:33:05 <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Revision 654:208eb1efe3b1: Feature (mini-): Reduce running costs to ... (oberhuemer) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/cets/repository/revisions/208eb1efe3b1 02:40:16 <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Bug #3790 (New): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3790 04:32:53 <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Support #3791 (Feedback): GPL exception for graphics from 3D models (oberhuemer) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3791 04:35:05 <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Support #3791 (Feedback): GPL exception for graphics from 3D models (oberhuemer) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3791 04:35:38 <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Support #3791 (Feedback): GPL exception for graphics from 3D models (oberhuemer) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3791 06:09:11 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 06:36:01 *** JVassie has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 07:17:34 *** JVassie has quit IRC 07:21:26 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 07:25:44 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 08:58:16 <Brot6> BANDIT - Revision 383:55b69a2d47b9: Fix: Don't include filenames in the same revision which only ... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/bandit/repository/revisions/55b69a2d47b9 09:14:05 <Brot6> BANDIT - Revision 384:9c1e8ba7b82e: Fix: Also remove a case collision here (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/bandit/repository/revisions/9c1e8ba7b82e 10:04:10 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 13:01:10 <Brot6> Dutch Trains 2.0 - Feature #3685: review sparks/smoke (Purno) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3685#change-9930 13:08:26 <Brot6> Dutch Trains 2.0 - Feature #3685: review sparks/smoke (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3685#change-9931 13:09:17 <Brot6> Dutch Trains 2.0 - Feature #3686: ingame helptexts (Purno) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3686#change-9932 13:29:04 <Brot6> Dutch Trains 2.0 - Feature #3686: ingame helptexts (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3686#change-9933 13:44:50 <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Feature #3384 (Feedback): Cost structure (Eddi) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3384#change-9934 13:47:57 <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Bug #3790 (Closed): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3790 13:47:57 <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Revision 655:87c6a2994cb3: crude workaround for rounding, fix #3790 (Eddi) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/cets/repository/revisions/87c6a2994cb3 13:47:57 <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Bug #3790 (Closed): DevZone compile failed (Eddi) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3790#change-9935 14:05:54 <Brot6> cets: update from r653 to r655 done (187 warnings) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/cets/push/r655 14:14:56 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 14:44:29 <Brot6> BANDIT - Revision 385:aa5228cb3aab: Fix: remove files causing problems with case-sensitive filesy... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/bandit/repository/revisions/aa5228cb3aab 14:44:29 <Brot6> BANDIT - Revision 386:cf9b20645327: merge (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/bandit/repository/revisions/cf9b20645327 14:52:56 <Hirundo> turning random comments into usable bug reports = not fun :S 15:06:03 <Ammler> andythenorth: case-INsensitive 15:06:16 <andythenorth> oops :) 15:06:20 <andythenorth> Fix: fix my fix :P 15:06:28 <Brot6> BANDIT - Revision 387:d66e848b4e4c: Codechange: fix tipping trailers to show correct load colour (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/bandit/repository/revisions/d66e848b4e4c 15:06:30 <Ammler> not fixeable 15:06:35 <andythenorth> indeed 15:06:37 <Ammler> would need a fork :-P 15:06:48 <andythenorth> more tea vicar? 15:15:32 <Hirundo> planetmaker: I can confirm the 'corrupt' bug in the NML topic 15:16:16 <planetmaker> you mean the corrupt NewGRF? Is it an NML bug? 15:16:57 <Hirundo> I suspect, at least I can reproduce it 15:19:25 <Hirundo> And acc. openttd tile compression is to blame :S again 15:20:55 <planetmaker> :-( 15:34:04 <Brot6> BANDIT - Revision 388:9184ae38664d: Codechange: approx. 25% speedup (Alberth) (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/bandit/repository/revisions/9184ae38664d 15:37:51 <Hirundo> planetmaker: I plan to add a CLI parameter soon to choose between 'fast' and 'best' (=current) compression 15:38:51 <Hirundo> 'fast' would mean no tile compression and no lz77 15:39:00 <Hirundo> What should be the default value here? I'm tempted to say 'fast' 15:39:17 <Ammler> planetmaker: btw. does it need to convert bandig (removing the bad file from history)? 15:39:22 <Ammler> bandit* 15:39:37 <planetmaker> I've to think about that, Hirundo. Really no idea :-) 15:40:13 <planetmaker> what do you mean, Ammler ? 15:40:44 <Ammler> are you happy with the answers you got from #mercurial? 15:41:08 <Hirundo> pm: no problem, I've got other bugs to fix now 15:41:10 <Hirundo> ;-) 15:41:19 <Ammler> I don't think, it is fixed... 15:41:55 <Ammler> ah, it is fixed with andy changed his fs to case sensitive 15:42:39 <Ammler> but maybe it would be worth to add a hook so nobody can push such files anymore 15:44:34 <Rubidium> Hirundo: won't that becomes 3 settings. Current behaviour, current behaviour of -u and don't compress anything at all? 15:44:43 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:49:43 <Hirundo> Rubidium: Could be, something like -O0/-O1/-O2 15:51:33 <Rubidium> I'd leave those for (aggressive) optimisations of the pseudo sprite's logic 15:52:11 <Rubidium> maybe just adding an option to disable tile compression is all you need 15:52:27 <Rubidium> then with that option and -u you can mix and match whatever you want 15:57:14 <andythenorth> Ammler: it's only fixed for case-insensitive filesystems for tip 15:57:41 <andythenorth> previous revs will fail 15:59:14 <andythenorth> so technically, the repo is questionable state :P 15:59:42 <andythenorth> but except for abandoning repo I can't think of a fix 16:00:15 <planetmaker> well. There's really no need to abandon it, is there? 16:00:23 <andythenorth> no 16:00:46 <andythenorth> just don't use a certain range of revs on case-insensitive filesystem 16:01:05 <planetmaker> what you *could* do is: qimport all changesets since the first bad one. Then fix the qpateches and commit properly 16:01:22 <planetmaker> On the same repo it'd give you a branch or head. But so what. But then... 16:01:38 <planetmaker> ... might not be worth the effort as you'd probably not gain anything really 16:02:31 <andythenorth> I have a case-sensitive disk image I can open if I need to go to those revs 16:08:41 <Ammler> can a case insensitive user update to a rev where those files aren't used? 16:09:25 <Ammler> I just meant, it would be easy fixeable, convert with filemap 16:09:40 <Ammler> it will of course change the hashes... 16:10:38 <Ammler> and invalidate every bandit repo 16:11:03 <planetmaker> Ammler, such user cannot update to those revs. 16:11:09 <planetmaker> And making a new repo... meh 16:11:10 <Ammler> but to others? 16:11:26 <Ammler> [17:08] <Ammler> can a case insensitive user update to a rev where those files aren't used? <-- "aren't" 16:11:40 <planetmaker> ask andy. But I assume so 16:12:17 <Ammler> if so, i would say, ok, if not, I would "convert" the repo 16:13:43 <planetmaker> andy has to work with it. So it's his call 16:13:47 <planetmaker> (and his work) :-P 16:13:54 <Brot6> BANDIT - Revision 389:e78ab800fcc9: Codechange: comment in all gestalts in main.py (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/bandit/repository/revisions/e78ab800fcc9 16:14:02 <andythenorth> Ammler: I can update to all revs < 268 16:14:15 <andythenorth> and > 382 16:14:24 <andythenorth> so I losed ~126 revs 16:14:34 <Ammler> then I would keep it :-) 16:14:41 <andythenorth> 114 revs :P 16:14:57 <andythenorth> moi aussi 16:15:15 <andythenorth> in the even of needing those revs, I mount the case-insensitive filesystem 16:15:17 <Ammler> you don't anymore, or was the case sensitive fs just a temporary thing? 16:15:32 * andythenorth needs to get 'in' the right way round :P 16:15:49 <andythenorth> the case-sensitive filesystem is a disk image I can mount any time 16:15:54 <andythenorth> it just lives on my HD 16:16:12 <andythenorth> imagine it like a partition from a removable volume 16:16:49 <Ammler> well-well :-P 16:17:07 <andythenorth> so I think done, done, onto the next one ;) 16:17:29 <Ammler> planetmaker: and you don't see need to forbid such pushes? 16:17:52 * andythenorth thinks it might be wise 16:18:08 <planetmaker> I didn't think about that. Might be wise indeed 16:18:22 <andythenorth> mistake-proofing 16:18:47 <Ammler> planetmaker: and you know how as you had that discussion on #hg :-) 16:18:50 <planetmaker> it'd need a decent pre-commit hook 16:18:55 <Ammler> nah 16:19:06 <planetmaker> uhm... did I miss what you reference? 16:19:09 <Ammler> it needs a push hook :-P 16:20:00 <Ammler> som caseguard extensions etc.? 16:20:19 <Ammler> I just overflow your discussion... 16:20:27 <planetmaker> well, yes. sorry. That's what I meant 16:21:14 <andythenorth> for i in filenames, if filename.lower() already present, explode? 16:21:54 <planetmaker> doesn't cut it. it also needs to check that I don't push two such files in the same commit;-) 16:22:15 <Ammler> andythenorth: it could also be added to our existing file check hook maybe 16:22:53 <Ammler> https://hg.openttdcoop.org/misc/file/1e2e71379ba5/mercurial/hooks/check_commit.py 16:24:54 <andythenorth> is that a pre-commit hook? 16:24:59 <andythenorth> should I be using that in my local repos? 16:25:25 <andythenorth> might save some tears 16:30:38 <Ammler> andythenorth: no, I just showed you which file you need to patch for me :-) 16:30:59 <Ammler> that is for both, local commit check or we use it on the server for push check 16:31:28 <Ammler> try to push a .grf :-) 16:31:50 <andythenorth> get alberth to patch it :D 16:31:58 <Ammler> alberth made it 16:42:40 <andythenorth> exactamly ;) 17:04:48 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1877:98915b37afee: Fix: Sprites with long format (!= long chunks)... (Hirundo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/98915b37afee 17:15:46 <Brot6> nml: update from r1876 to r1877 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/nml/nightlies/r1877 17:17:03 <Hirundo> Rubidium: After considering I see no real reason why you'd want to disable lz77 but not tile compression (or the other way around), so a single -u switch should suffice 17:17:48 <Hirundo> Yexo: Should I change the -u option (no sprite compression) to disable tile compression also? 17:20:54 <Rubidium> Hirundo: but you might want to disable tile compression 17:21:25 <Rubidium> in OpenTTD you can play with the 32bpp blitter and null video backend 17:21:40 <Rubidium> it makes fairly little sense 17:21:50 <Rubidium> but it keeps things simpler 17:23:38 <Hirundo> Why would you want no tile compression but still lz77? 17:24:13 <Rubidium> the difference in size is relatively negligable, but you reduce the time spent on compressing by a factor two 17:24:27 <Hirundo> Both are simply an investment of compile time to save file size, you'd either want both (writing a grf) or none (building a release) 17:24:54 <Brot6> bandit: update from r380 to r389 done (1 warnings) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/bandit/nightlies/r389 17:25:17 <Hirundo> currently the effect of -u (on a test grf containing a single large 32bpp sprite) is negligible 17:33:17 <Brot6> cets: update from r653 to r655 done (187 warnings) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/cets/nightlies/r655 17:42:28 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Bug #3792 (New): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3792 17:44:19 <Ammler> planetmaker: I never got feedback about the test wth opentd, should I remove it again? 17:49:36 <planetmaker> Ammler, link? 17:50:13 <planetmaker> unresolvable: nothing provides openttd-gui <-- but this error should be removed ;-) 17:50:52 <Ammler> hmm, not talking about the current error 17:51:08 <Ammler> just wonering, if I shall fix that or simply remove the test with openttd 17:51:41 <Ammler> the error is because I moved openttd dev from openttdcoop to games 17:51:45 <planetmaker> tbh I didn't yet find time to properly review that. I like the idea of automated tests, though. So if it's not broken: keep it 17:52:35 <Ammler> how could I simulate a failed loading? 17:52:52 <Ammler> using ogfx nightly with 1.1? 17:53:15 <Brot6> make-nml: compile of r0 still failed (#3730) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/make-nml/nightlies/ERROR/r0 17:53:36 <planetmaker> for example, yes 18:03:02 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Bug #3792 (Confirmed): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3792 18:03:02 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Bug #3792 (Confirmed): DevZone compile failed (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3792#change-9937 18:16:32 <Brot6> Following repos rebuilds successful without any difference to earlier nightlies builds: ogfx-trains (48 warnings) (Diffsize: 6), ogfx-industries (Diffsize: 127099), firs (6 warnings) (Diffsize: 6), foobarstramtracks (Diffsize: 28769), manindu (Diffsize: 2), newgrf_makefile (Diffsize: 1), dutchtrains, rust (15 warnings) (Diffsize: 6813), dutchtramset (21 warnings) (Diffsize: 20613), swisstowns (Diffsize: 51), britrains (3 warnings), 18:16:32 <Brot6> dutchroadfurniture (Diffsize: 165910), spanishtowns (Diffsize: 8), frenchtowns (Diffsize: 21), ogfx-rv (42 warnings) (Diffsize: 20398), ogfx-landscape (2 warnings) (Diffsize: 31742), swedishrails (Diffsize: 9075), german-townnames (Diffsize: 5042), dach (104 warnings) (Diffsize: 25201), belarusiantowns (Diffsize: 72), indonesiantowns (1 warnings) (Diffsize: 350), airportsplus (Diffsize: 1161) 18:50:18 <Brot6> BANDIT - Revision 390:3baad48d5a32: Codechange: write out manifest files from gestalts (unpleasan... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/bandit/repository/revisions/3baad48d5a32 18:53:24 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 19:15:12 *** JVassie has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:22:53 <Brot6> Dutch Trains 2.0 - Feature #3686: ingame helptexts (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3686#change-9939 19:25:02 <Brot6> Dutch Trains 2.0 - Feature #3685: review sparks/smoke (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3685#change-9940 19:28:47 <Brot6> Dutch Trains 2.0 - Feature #3686: ingame helptexts (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3686#change-9941 19:29:51 <Brot6> Dutch Trains 2.0 - Feature #3685: review sparks/smoke (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3685#change-9942 19:44:26 *** frosch123 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:47:43 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:35:53 <Brot6> Dutch Trains 2.0 - Feature #3746: Coaches (Transportman) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3746#change-9943 21:37:32 *** ODM has quit IRC 22:08:53 <Brot6> Dutch Trains 2.0 - Revision 301:89f05e7cc9cf: Feature: templated, improved graphics and Breng liv... (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/dutchtrains/repository/revisions/89f05e7cc9cf 22:08:54 <Brot6> Dutch Trains 2.0 - Revision 302:66843d5bc6dd: Feature: Mat '64 Plan V (graphics by Bastiaan) (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/dutchtrains/repository/revisions/66843d5bc6dd 22:08:54 <Brot6> Dutch Trains 2.0 - Revision 303:0d4fee027490: Feature: Mat '64 Plan T (graphics by Bastiaan) (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/dutchtrains/repository/revisions/0d4fee027490 22:18:25 *** Nat_aS has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 22:18:34 <Nat_aS> hi 22:25:13 <Nat_aS> so anyways, about the Unrealistic trainset. 22:26:25 <Yexo> Nat_aS: if people you want to reach are not available sometimes it's better to post at the forums to let them answer whenever they have time 22:26:54 <Yexo> leaving a message on irc usually also works, but only if you know you'll be online for quite some time to get an answer 22:31:42 <Nat_aS> no I know V453000 is on, and Chris_Booth are on, I was just shunted into here. 22:49:41 <Brot6> Dutch Trains 2.0 - Revision 304:2eaf50bec857: Feature: SGM-II (graphics by Purno) (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/dutchtrains/repository/revisions/2eaf50bec857 22:49:41 <Brot6> Dutch Trains 2.0 - Revision 305:5207c3777c93: Feature: SGM-III (graphics by Purno) (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/dutchtrains/repository/revisions/5207c3777c93 22:50:30 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 22:55:57 <V453000> do you just randomly highlight me or do you actually want something? 22:59:46 <Nat_aS> yes I want to ask about the Unrealistic trainset. 23:00:22 <Nat_aS> I was told to come in here. 23:00:55 <V453000> alright :) so what do you want to ask about 23:02:46 <Nat_aS> well I like the idea of ahistorical train sets built with gameplay in mind rather than being accurate. I was wondering if I could get on the project, or maybe just use it to springboard a trainset of my own. I made a train for SImutrans which is still in there latest build IIRC. 23:03:08 <V453000> hell, of course :) I already offered you earlier, join #nuts 23:05:32 <Nat_aS> oh I didn't see that, I just saw a link to here.. From CHris who is not even in this room lol. 23:14:49 *** JVassie has quit IRC