Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 15th March 2012:
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12:21:08  <planetmaker> <-- V453000
12:22:36  <V453000> thank you :)
12:23:58  <planetmaker> mind that you'll need to adjust the values of the parameter to nfo
12:24:02  <Ammler> planetmaker: I need to update openttd-openmsx for factory, is there a possible release?
12:24:23  <planetmaker> thus a default of 2221 is not in km/h but in something else... but maybe kmh-ish
12:25:12  <Ammler> mäh, just because the license string needs to be spdx
12:25:19  <planetmaker> Ammler: except that the build makefile doesn't install into baseset there's no issue, right?
12:25:47  <Ammler> I am not aware of any issue
12:26:10  <planetmaker> so... do we need a release?
12:26:18  <V453000> hm, well the 2221 already converts to 2222 in game, is that the -ish conversion ? :)
12:26:27  <planetmaker> dunno. maybe
12:26:44  <Ammler> planetmaker: ok, was just asking, then I will do this changes in the spec
12:26:58  <Ammler> I guess, I would need anyway
12:27:20  <planetmaker> ok. thx
12:53:16  <V453000> min_compatible_version: 0; how do I set this to 1.2?
12:54:08  <planetmaker> that is NOT the OpenTTD version
12:54:23  <V453000> oh :D
12:54:41  <planetmaker> it is for revisions of the very same newgrf
12:54:55  <planetmaker> thus backward compatibility to the same newgrf
12:54:57  <V453000> I see now
12:55:16  <planetmaker> thus what you need to do is: version = 1 (or whatever is higher than the current one you update)
12:55:39  <planetmaker> and min_compatible_version to whatever version can be updated in all cases without problem to this newgrf
12:56:01  <planetmaker> in case of doubt it need be the same as version
12:56:29  <V453000> I guess compatibility with openttd version is ... rather automatic? it either works or not
12:57:34  <V453000> so I will need to translate the GRFID="4D 47 06 01" right?
12:57:46  <planetmaker> ehm... usually that's not automatic. Of course it either works or not. But that's not user friendly
12:58:06  <planetmaker> GRFID="D"
12:58:13  <V453000> ok :)
12:58:28  <planetmaker> if the existing grfID is 4D470601
12:58:43  <V453000> I copied that from the nfo
12:58:54  <planetmaker> @base 16 10 4d470601
12:58:54  <Webster> planetmaker: 1296500225
12:59:28  <planetmaker> the openttd version needs to be set mostly in bananas to (dis)allow only the proper versions to download it
12:59:40  <planetmaker> no point downloading a newgrf you can't use after all
13:03:06  <planetmaker> wrt OpenTTD version: there's in this very particular case little reason to test the openttd version: newgrf container v2, newgrf specs v8 (and nfo v32) all are not supported by earlier openttd and will there unconditionally disable themselves as it's unknown file format for them
13:03:18  <planetmaker> but usually it also needs a version check. but not here
13:03:35  <V453000> :) right
13:03:37  <Ammler> well, you set the version so it hides form 1.1
13:04:19  <planetmaker> yes. only in bananas
13:04:22  <V453000> hmm I have an issue ... I have the engine re-draw based on current speed. But if I put multiple engines of the kind in 1 train, only the first engine redraws based on speed, rest stays at 0 speed state
13:04:33  <V453000>
13:05:03  <planetmaker> use switch (FEAT_TRAINS, PARENT, logicswitch, current_speed) {
13:05:14  <planetmaker> wagons have no speed. Only the leading engine
13:05:35  <V453000> oooh, parent
13:06:11  <V453000> amazing :-D thanks
13:07:53  <Ammler> V453000: also feel free to make a project, it's not too small :-P
13:08:26  <Ammler> <-- or put it here
13:10:40  <V453000> okay
13:10:45  <V453000> how do I make the package for the bananas?
13:10:53  <planetmaker> Ammler: isn't there a project for it?
13:11:05  <V453000> just zip and it will repackage, or do I need a way to create the tar gz?
13:11:10  <planetmaker> V453000: just zip the grf, the license, the readme and the changelog and upload that
13:11:10  <Ammler> planetmaker: don't think so
13:11:23  <V453000> alright
13:11:29  <Ammler> many of my grfs are just on the svntree
13:11:48  <planetmaker> hm, I see
13:12:19  <Ammler> well, in that case, it does not hurt anyway, as it is a new grf
13:19:04  <V453000> Ammler: why does logic train have "whatever" in tags? :D
13:19:27  <Ammler> does it also have "beer" there?
13:19:29  <V453000> on bananas :D
13:19:32  <V453000> not yet
13:20:03  <V453000> "sex" ... wtf? :D
13:20:29  <Ammler> well, cleanup please :-P
13:22:17  <V453000> unexpected error when uploading
13:22:19  <V453000> the what :-D
13:23:13  <V453000>
13:23:14  <V453000> why :z
13:24:51  <Ammler> try grf only
13:25:32  <V453000> this it does
13:25:42  <V453000> but that wont attach license and stuff, will it
13:25:50  <V453000> or ... is there a way to attach that afterwards
13:26:06  <Ammler> license is not needed
13:26:13  <Ammler> and the other stuff, well
13:26:26  <V453000> done
13:26:51  <Ammler> hmm, that worked?
13:27:08  <Ammler> so if previous version is grf only, no zip possible?
13:27:56  <V453000> that wouldnt make sense, changelog has to update too
13:28:24  <Ammler> well, I uploaded the grf only
13:28:33  <V453000> OMG! I was wondering why doesnt it show me to download engine from bananas, then realized I have it ...
13:28:38  <V453000> =D
13:28:45  <V453000> I did, too
13:29:13  <Ammler> so it could be, a update is not able to update a grf with a zip
13:29:46  <planetmaker> uhm... you could upload it, Ammler?
13:30:00  <planetmaker> and no, the form it was uploaded shouldn't matter
13:30:15  <planetmaker> but... it should be gpl v2
13:30:17  <planetmaker> not v3
13:30:34  <V453000> it was v3 originally
13:30:59  <Ammler> planetmaker: back that time, I had no clue about licenses and didn't care :-)
13:31:16  <planetmaker> well yes. But it can be changed every upload
13:31:33  <planetmaker> so you could have done now
13:31:38  <V453000> isnt gpl based on using the previous licence?
13:31:57  <Ammler> well, you made a new grf
13:31:59  <planetmaker> it is. But if you're the (only) author you can of course use any license
13:32:04  <Ammler> not based on my work
13:32:09  <planetmaker> or if ALL previous contributors agree
13:32:10  <V453000> hm :) true
13:32:46  <Ammler> is there no v2+ in the license menu?
13:33:02  <planetmaker> no
13:33:08  <planetmaker> but maybe there should be
13:33:19  <Ammler> well, there should also be version 1.2
13:33:24  <Ammler> :-)
13:33:33  <V453000> I will update it when I fix the parameter issue soon-ish
13:33:37  <planetmaker> exactly
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