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02:50:50 *** Nat_aS is now known as Nat_AFK 04:16:26 *** Nat_AFK is now known as Nat_aS 06:46:03 *** Mark has quit IRC 07:39:23 *** Nat_aS is now known as Nat_AFK 09:18:27 *** Xotic750 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:36:02 *** Mark has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:15:09 *** Xotic750 has quit IRC 12:22:26 *** Xotic750 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:23:10 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature #3972 (New): Explosion Effects (Xotic750) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3972 12:43:16 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Code Review #3973 (New): TIM and Asia Star Valuables Livery (Xotic750) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3973 16:01:30 *** Nat_AFK is now known as Nat_aS 16:08:01 <Terkhen> planetmaker: I'm currently making the list of cargo support differences between ogfx-rv (with the old system) and ogfx-trains (with the new system) 16:08:14 <Terkhen> but toyland is not looking great :( 16:27:37 *** frosch123 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:42:31 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Bug #3974 (New): Cargo support (Terkhen) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3974 16:42:39 <Terkhen> planetmaker^ 16:45:53 * planetmaker looks 16:46:12 <planetmaker> yes, I know, toyland is not great. 16:48:05 <Terkhen> I stopped with FIRS because it includes many problems too 16:48:10 <Terkhen> it seems like a general issue to me 16:48:50 <planetmaker> hm, tbh, I didn't test it really. Not sure it's a general issue 16:49:10 <planetmaker> But that would need to be found out really. Would be bad 16:49:45 <Xotic750> evening :) 16:49:50 <Terkhen> hi Xotic750 16:54:02 <Xotic750> hmm, electric sparks/discharge is hard to create graphically, as a 3d model :) 16:55:08 *** Nat_aS is now known as Nat_AFK 16:55:40 <planetmaker> Xotic750: that's not needed... 16:55:52 <planetmaker> hm.. though maybe. to match pantograph 16:56:20 <planetmaker> Xotic750: I think the explosions you posted are much too dusty. I like the explosions to be firy-orange 16:56:29 <Xotic750> the only 32bpp I can find has no source 16:56:48 <Xotic750> ok, that's easy to change 16:56:52 <planetmaker> Well. One *can* draw them. W/o 3D model. Then the drawing is the source 16:57:23 <Xotic750> and I don't see any license for them either 16:58:31 <planetmaker> Terkhen: I'm not sure I understand your ods file... 16:58:33 <Xotic750> so thought I would make some while I was playing around 16:58:54 <planetmaker> yup, sure :-) 16:59:32 <Terkhen> planetmaker: it's a bit confusing, yes :) 16:59:35 <planetmaker> I have the graphics for a small(?) explosion in OpenGFX already. That seemed ok when I commited that 16:59:51 <Terkhen> non bolded entries are the cargos supported by ogfx-rv 16:59:57 <Terkhen> bolded entries are the changes I spotted in ogfx-trains 17:00:28 <planetmaker> ah, ok. 17:00:39 <planetmaker> what about missing support? 17:00:47 <Terkhen> "Loses ..." 17:00:50 <planetmaker> is it noted whether missing or added? 17:00:58 <Terkhen> I can make a proper list if you prefer it :P 17:01:15 <planetmaker> :-D If I know whether it's lost or added cargo support, I'll be fine 17:01:33 <Terkhen> ok :) 17:01:46 <Terkhen> at first glance the problem seems cargo class related 17:02:04 <Terkhen> at least in some cases, such as those that add/remove fruit, food and so on 17:02:55 <planetmaker> cargo class related? Hm... might be. That I didn't check the classes of all cargos. Though I actually added to all wagons a complete list of cargos 17:03:12 <planetmaker> for acceptance and disallow. And then only deleted those which I didn't want or want to have 17:03:29 <Terkhen> I checked the code but it made little sense to me, I still need to change my chip from the old system to the new one :P 17:03:46 <planetmaker> Might need checking whether adding those cargos to the proper cargo-support property changes it to the desired result 17:03:53 <planetmaker> haha :-) 17:04:08 <planetmaker> it's actually easy, Terkhen: there's support via cargo class 17:04:18 <planetmaker> and independent there's support via cargo label 17:04:31 <planetmaker> and independent of that there's explicit not-support via cargo label 17:05:04 <planetmaker> for cargo support we *should* not need the classes right now. We know all known cargos 17:05:28 <Terkhen> I see :) 17:05:31 <planetmaker> Or so is my idea. The cargo class support is - following this line of thought - only for new cargoes which we don't know 17:05:57 <planetmaker> thus, if you want: try to add the wrong cargos to the respective property and see whether it works :-) 17:07:39 <Terkhen> I'll play a bit with the code later 17:14:21 *** Alberth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:27:02 *** Nat_AFK is now known as Nat_aS 17:28:10 <Brot6> dutchtrains: update from r555 to r557 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/dutchtrains/nightlies/r557 17:31:23 <Brot6> bandit: compile of r469 still failed (#3900) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/bandit/nightlies/ERROR/r469 17:33:02 <Brot6> make-nml: compile of r0 still failed (#3730) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/make-nml/nightlies/ERROR/r0 17:34:21 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:34:22 *** andythenorth has left #openttdcoop.devzone 17:50:22 <Brot6> Dutch Trains 2 - Feature #3686: ingame helptexts (Transportman) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3686#change-10829 18:00:34 *** Xotic750 has quit IRC 18:03:43 *** Nat_aS has quit IRC 18:04:27 *** Nat_aS has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:11:24 *** Xotic750 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:21:14 <Terkhen> planetmaker: ignore cargo classes and use only specific labels, yes or no? 18:23:55 <Terkhen> hmm... I think that I'll keep them, but specify all known cargos with the new properties anyways 18:23:57 <planetmaker> yes 18:24:12 <planetmaker> ignore cargo classes. Define transportability only by labels 18:24:26 <Terkhen> we need to be alert regarding new sets then :P 18:24:40 <planetmaker> use cargo classes only as general thing for unknown cargos 18:24:48 <planetmaker> well. We needed that before, too 18:24:56 <planetmaker> But less so now, actually 18:25:35 <Terkhen> ok, I'll set the CC as they were before and specify all known cargos :) 18:26:42 <planetmaker> Yep. The cargo classes should only define the ... general cargo type suitable for that wagon 18:35:43 <Terkhen> planetmaker: is the addition of MAIL to armoured vehicles intended? 18:35:47 * Terkhen does not mind it 18:37:56 <planetmaker> hm, I think it is intended. Long ago I made those. 18:38:05 <planetmaker> It gives the armoured van a bit more flexibility 18:38:28 <planetmaker> And if you send the diamond necklace to your girl friend you want to make sure it arrives safely :-P 18:42:17 <Alberth> 'send' ? :) you'd bring it personally, surely :D 18:49:53 <planetmaker> :-) 19:00:52 <Terkhen> ok :P 19:40:25 <Terkhen> hmm... lots of new labels 19:40:34 <Terkhen> we might be missing a few cargos :) 19:48:25 <planetmaker> Terkhen: I think I have all. I took the whole list. And the comment should have them all 19:48:39 <Terkhen> yes, all cargos are defined in your list 19:48:44 <planetmaker> or are there some which ... ok :-) 19:48:52 <Terkhen> but some are not used anywhere, for example, BEER OR RCYC 19:48:56 <planetmaker> Indeed I was surprised about the length of the list 19:48:56 <Terkhen> those are new :P 19:48:57 <Alberth> lots of new labels, where? 19:49:07 <Terkhen> I have never seen CERA either 19:49:36 <planetmaker> Terkhen: I *think* I've seen beer. *ages* ago in a game I played. One of my first games on a MP server. Before I knew openttdcoop ;-) 19:49:59 <Terkhen> I never saw that label in the cargo label list until today :P 19:50:04 <planetmaker> cereals is an ecs thing 19:50:17 <planetmaker> whether old or current, I don't know 19:50:52 <Terkhen> CERE is cereals, CERA is ceramics, must be new in ECS 19:51:20 <Terkhen> I guess that once I have a cargo_definition that works like the old one I'll do yet another test with all industry newgrfs to see if we are missing something :P 19:51:57 <planetmaker> :-) Might be hard to detect. If our cargo classes are sensible ;-) 19:52:36 <Terkhen> yes, that's why I keep all of the cargos ogfx-rv supports in an ods sheet 19:53:45 <planetmaker> :-) 19:59:25 <Terkhen> recyclables; only bulk or something else too? 20:02:27 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:10:05 <planetmaker> I think it would fit bulk. No other stuff needed 20:10:19 <planetmaker> In principle it could be oversized. or 'neobulk'. But... 20:14:28 <Terkhen> neobulk? we have new cargo classes too? 20:15:00 <Terkhen> I thought that was just another talk without result :P 20:15:49 <Terkhen> I only see "non-pourable" as a new CC in the cargo label list, and it does not seem important for us 20:16:55 <planetmaker> non-pourable yes 20:17:09 <planetmaker> that's I think neo-bulk 20:17:16 <planetmaker> but it need not apply 20:17:36 <planetmaker> I'm thinking of bulky, rusty machine parts. You hardly can pour them 20:18:47 <Terkhen> yes, only scrap metal and sugar cane are non-pourable 20:18:55 <Terkhen> and those are carried only in bulk vehicles anyways 20:21:18 <planetmaker> I consider recyclebles a super-class of scrap metal ;-) 20:21:49 <planetmaker> for our vehicles it's bulk anyway. We don't yet really care about neo-bulk 20:22:06 <Terkhen> yes :) 20:26:28 <Alberth> good night all 20:26:57 <Terkhen> the "new" ECS cargos are not actually present in ECS, and there were no new versions since I last checked it 20:27:05 <Terkhen> so I'm going to assume they are deprecated 20:27:20 <Alberth> until proven otherwise :p 20:27:32 *** Alberth has left #openttdcoop.devzone 20:29:13 <Terkhen> :) 20:34:05 <Terkhen> plahttp://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/1392/ <-- my version of cargo_definitions 20:34:50 <Terkhen> I don't mind including _MU_ in ogfx-rv for the sake of allowing to copy the cargo_definitions file from one NewGRF to the other, but I don't know what it should be carrying 20:34:59 <Terkhen> therefore this version does not include it 20:35:07 <Terkhen> I did not notice any strange things with it 20:38:02 <planetmaker> _MU_ ... I've no memory of that 20:41:56 <Terkhen> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/1393/ <--- that appears in ogfx-trains version of cargo_definitions 20:43:05 <planetmaker> oh. *that* one. No, that makes no sense in RV 20:43:14 <planetmaker> I thought you meant a cargo label 20:43:45 <Terkhen> no, sorry :) 20:44:21 <Terkhen> I'd copy it to ogfx-rv code anyways, it's quite convenient to have an identical cargo_definitions 20:44:23 <Terkhen> file* 20:47:11 <planetmaker> indeed. I should copy back your fixed version then ;-) 20:51:20 <Terkhen> if you confirm me that the _MU_ definition is correct, I'll copy it and commit :) 20:53:58 <planetmaker> uh... should be a combination of pax, mail, valuables and goods 21:15:14 *** ODM has quit IRC 21:24:34 <Terkhen> sorry, I was having dinner 21:26:19 <Terkhen> planetmaker: it also includes PAPR and some toyland cargos 21:26:43 <planetmaker> no worries :-) 21:27:03 <planetmaker> I think, just commit that, if it works 21:27:13 <Brot6> Dutch Trains 2 - Feature #3686: ingame helptexts (Transportman) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3686#change-10829 21:29:18 <Terkhen> okay, we'll sort out the differences later 21:39:34 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Road Vehicles - Revision 143:702b9ac247bb: Update: Cargo definitions. (Terkhen) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-rv/repository/revisions/702b9ac247bb 21:41:28 *** Nat_aS has quit IRC 21:41:42 *** Nat_aS has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:52:25 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Road Vehicles - Revision 144:4ca17e9ad0e3: Fix: Correct URL string. (Terkhen) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-rv/repository/revisions/4ca17e9ad0e3 21:57:52 <planetmaker> good night 21:59:05 <Terkhen> good night planetmaker 22:48:50 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 23:53:01 *** Nat_aS is now known as Nat_AFK 23:59:25 *** Nat_AFK is now known as Nat_aS