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06:43:15 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 07:13:18 <dihedral> o/ 07:17:22 *** Alberth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 07:17:33 <Alberth> moin 07:36:11 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Feature Request #4068: Early bulk wagons with lower speed limit (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4068#change-11160 07:36:48 <planetmaker> hello 07:42:40 * Alberth ponders what will happen when the 8bpp graphics change 07:42:47 <Alberth> moin! 07:46:22 <Terkhen> hi :) 07:46:48 <Terkhen> the 8bpp sprites are going to change? 07:46:55 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Bug #4075 (New): Wagon speed limits (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4075 07:47:55 <planetmaker> Alberth: I talked briefly with Hirundo last evening. As far as I gathered, it might be possible to add strings with formatted output to nml templates 07:48:43 <Alberth> k 07:49:32 <planetmaker> but maybe I'm too optimistic still :-) 07:50:42 <Alberth> what worries me mostly is that nml source is badly scriptable, so any change is going to be a hell of a lot of work 07:52:04 <planetmaker> what can change? 07:52:06 <planetmaker> Filenames 07:52:13 <planetmaker> Alignment of certain sprites 07:52:37 <planetmaker> Both should also be tackle-able by templates then, thus only one place would need changing 07:53:55 <Alberth> the only big change I can see is switching to zbase 8bpp graphics 07:54:02 <planetmaker> agreed 07:56:19 <Alberth> which I think means you have to do the same thing all over again what we are now about to do for the 32bpp extension 07:57:51 <Alberth> at least you have to remove all 'old' opengfx references 07:58:42 <planetmaker> what needs re-doing then? Of course you need to change the file reference. Maybe the alignment, if you use the same scheme as 32bpp now 07:59:20 <planetmaker> what work exactly needs repetition? 08:00:18 <Alberth> right now, we are going to add 32bpp to every sprite (well , 7000+ of them at least) 08:00:40 <Alberth> when you switch, you have to remove the old opengfx reference for 7000 sprites 08:00:51 <Alberth> and add the new 8bpp for 7000 sprites 08:01:04 <planetmaker> yes. But you'd do that in any case, not? 08:01:04 <Alberth> mostlyl manually 08:02:46 <Alberth> if you have the data in simple machine-readable form, it would be easier, I think 08:02:57 <planetmaker> you'd write the data also manually 08:05:19 <planetmaker> and to me it looks like you need to write basically all data. Either in that data table for generation. And in the same time you wrote it directly as base_sprite line, if you can use templates with generated filenames 08:07:04 <Alberth> yep, but the second time? 08:07:20 <planetmaker> I have to supply a new filename in both cases. And re-use the existing template 08:07:21 <Alberth> but ok, I give up, I'll do it your way 08:07:34 <planetmaker> Well. Don't give up :-) 08:08:12 <planetmaker> it can well be that I just don't see it. 08:08:56 <planetmaker> I just grew also a bit weary of too many layers of abstraction 08:09:46 <planetmaker> it often trapped in NewGRFs, stopping me from getting things done had I just followed the stupid approach :-) 08:14:29 <planetmaker> Alberth: I've been pondering about it a bit last night 08:14:50 <planetmaker> Possibly a good thing is to try both approaches. Then we'll know which works better 08:15:15 <planetmaker> without trying out either really it might that we rule out one or the other without having given it a proper shot 08:46:11 <Alberth> right 08:46:25 <Brot6> zBaseBuild - Revision 3:b05ade48323b: Change: Let's do it all manually (Alberth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/zbasebuild/repository/revisions/b05ade48323b 08:50:44 <planetmaker> Alberth: http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/1558/ <-- handy but dirty makefile "fix" 08:50:55 <planetmaker> uses grfcodec for encoding 08:51:01 <planetmaker> and disables dep generation 08:54:38 <Alberth> sorry, still too mad to bother about such details 08:54:59 <planetmaker> :-( 08:55:01 <Brot6> zBaseBuild - Revision 4:ed28cdb5a05d: -Add: Sprite labels (Alberth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/zbasebuild/repository/revisions/ed28cdb5a05d 08:55:26 <planetmaker> Truely sorry, Alberth 08:55:57 <planetmaker> And I don't really know... why or how exactly this went wrong 08:57:58 <Alberth> oh, it's a combination of me finding a nice solution to the generation problem and then getting stopped by you for reasons I only partly support 08:58:41 <Alberth> I know you want the best solution too, we just have different views about 'best' 08:59:31 <planetmaker> possibly. But... so why then be angry instead of going for what you think works best? 09:00:12 <Alberth> I am not mad at you at all, it's just frustration that project is not moving 09:00:30 <Alberth> what good is a solution that does not work for you? 09:03:55 *** Xotic750 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 09:05:25 <planetmaker> I think you take me too much matter-of-fact while we (or at least I) don't really know how either way will work for the big scale and the pesky details 09:10:12 <planetmaker> besides, Alberth: I do NOT think that any of your work here has been in vain. Not in the least 09:14:49 <Alberth> I just removed everything from the repo :p 09:16:00 <Brot6> zBase - Bug #4067: Missing 4 flat temperate flat rough terrain tiles (3996-3999) (Alberth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4067#change-11161 09:16:41 <Alberth> Really Brot6, stop this nonsens 09:19:44 <planetmaker> I like it telling me when issues are updated :-) 09:22:27 <Alberth> yep, but don't highlight me, I know it already 09:23:38 <Alberth> can't it add a _ prefix or something? 09:25:37 <planetmaker> ah, yes.... that might be configured differently. possibly. 09:26:20 <planetmaker> Ammler: can brot not quote the editor (or disguise it a bit like with a _ or so to avoid highlights for your own issues)? 09:26:57 <planetmaker> hm. great... now I get pink water :-) 09:28:33 <Alberth> do the hg commits too then :) 09:29:21 <planetmaker> clearly a windows vs. dos palette issue... 09:30:15 <Alberth> that's way better than spilling radioactive stuff in a liquid :) 09:30:21 <planetmaker> :-D 09:31:32 <planetmaker> http://imagebin.org/221371 09:31:33 <Webster> Title: Imagebin - A place to slap up your images. (at imagebin.org) 09:38:53 <planetmaker> oh. lol. I think I know where the dos vs. windows confusion comes from... drat 09:39:00 <planetmaker> nmlc automatically converts to dos 09:39:04 <planetmaker> grfcodec does not. 09:39:13 <planetmaker> and it cannot 09:41:23 <Alberth> looks like the new simutrans pack: http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=161429 09:41:30 <dihedral> Alberth, there is 'do not highlight me from this nick' option in a bunch of irc clients 09:41:45 <planetmaker> hehe :-) 09:42:01 <planetmaker> it looks indeed very similar 09:43:04 <Alberth> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1030574#p1030574 <-- they were making an underwater world 09:43:05 <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums View topic - Working on a nicer UI for Simutrans (at www.tt-forums.net) 09:43:32 <Alberth> the guy stopped working 09:44:03 <planetmaker> hm, sad 09:44:13 <planetmaker> looked like he was doing nice work 09:44:30 <planetmaker> or did he move to the simutrans forum? 09:46:15 <Alberth> I'm sorry to say, but I'll discontinue this project due to personal reasons. Due to health reasons I want/should spend less time at the computer/keyboard, and there have been some other reasons which lead me to this decisions as well. 09:46:47 <planetmaker> hm 09:47:10 <planetmaker> oh, there was a page 3. missed that 09:47:22 <Alberth> :) 09:50:55 <Alberth> dihedral: the bunch does not seem to include mine 09:57:22 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Revision 725:e9c2e1899cee: Add: New models to model list (Xotic750) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-trains/repository/revisions/e9c2e1899cee 10:08:06 <planetmaker> Alberth: seems that the alignment of the 32bpp is not always identical (see the glitches for some slope sprites): http://imagebin.org/221376 10:08:07 <Webster> Title: Imagebin - A place to slap up your images. (at imagebin.org) 10:09:38 <planetmaker> though that's probably an accidential error 10:18:57 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains renders - Revision 29:be7f64fa13f1: Add: Dash and Manley-Morel cargo refitted models (Xotic750) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-trains-render/repository/revisions/be7f64fa13f1 10:20:08 <Alberth> I don't see anything currently, the screen is too dark compared to the sunny background :( 10:20:39 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Revision 726:c3c7c8d7f40b: Add: Dash and Manley-Morel cargo refitted sprites (Xotic750) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-trains/repository/revisions/c3c7c8d7f40b 10:20:46 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Feature #4074 (Closed): sprintf-like functionality (Hirundo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4074 10:20:46 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Feature #4074 (Closed): sprintf-like functionality (Hirundo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4074#change-11162 10:20:46 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1919:11f8b96e2997: Feature: Builtin function format_string(format, a... (Hirundo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/11f8b96e2997 10:26:50 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Revision 727:659465b6f08e: Merge with default (Xotic750) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-trains/repository/revisions/659465b6f08e 10:32:09 <Ammler> Alberth: planetmaker, what's the issue with highlights? 10:32:34 <planetmaker> pointless. I know when I edited an issue. Thus I need no highlight here 10:32:53 <Ammler> and when you edit a ticket, how does the highlight hurt? 10:32:59 <Ammler> as you are here anyway 10:33:53 <Ammler> it is a simple rss reader 10:34:09 <Ammler> I am sure, I could remove the author 10:34:14 <Alberth> yep, but I have to check each time whether it is Brot6 or someone else 10:40:00 <planetmaker> ^ just that 10:40:22 <Ammler> so removing the author from the feeds? 10:40:35 <Alberth> or obsfuscating 10:40:54 <planetmaker> obfuscating might be better :-) Like adding a leading _ or so 10:40:54 <Ammler> like $AUTHOR_ ? 10:40:58 <planetmaker> yeah 10:41:05 <Alberth> does that work? 10:41:11 <Ammler> Alberth_ 10:41:22 <Alberth> it highlighted here 10:41:54 <planetmaker> can you try with me? 10:42:00 <Alberth> A_mmler planetmaker_ 10:42:01 <Ammler> _Alberth: 10:42:10 <planetmaker> yes, also highlight here with trailing _ 10:42:21 <Alberth> I am afraid it's simple string matching :p 10:43:43 <Brot6> zBase - Revision 15:790d4411d607: Add: Multi-tile render example (stadium) and .hgignore for .blend1... (zephyris) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/zbase/repository/revisions/790d4411d607 10:44:42 <Alberth> so no simple obfuscating :( 10:46:21 <planetmaker> So also Ammlern would pass? 10:46:52 <planetmaker> or AlberthA ;-) 10:47:28 <planetmaker> ^ Alberth did that highlight? 10:47:54 <Alberth> no, it did not 10:48:00 <planetmaker> So adding a letter works 10:48:08 <planetmaker> ^ Ammler 10:48:12 <Alberth> Xplanetmaker 10:48:14 <planetmaker> and Alberth1 10:48:17 <planetmaker> no highlight 10:48:34 <Alberth> 1 works too 10:49:09 <planetmaker> so let's prefix it with "By 10:49:16 <planetmaker> By_Alberth 10:49:32 <Alberth> that highlights, Byplanetmaker 10:49:40 <planetmaker> that not, ByAlberth 10:49:41 <Alberth> By_planetmaker 10:49:45 <planetmaker> that does 10:49:55 <Ammler> Alberth- 10:50:00 <Alberth> highlights 10:50:12 <Ammler> AlberthX 10:50:19 <planetmaker> doesn't 10:50:26 <Alberth> indeed :) 10:51:06 <Alberth> next challenge $AUTHORX :D 10:51:48 <planetmaker> update, Alberth: http://devs.openttd.org/~planetmaker/patches/start32bpp.diff 10:51:49 <Alberth> ${AUTHOR}X probably, although I prefer a prefix like By 10:52:04 <Ammler> #1 10:52:04 <Brot6> Ammler: #1 is http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/show/1 "Feature #1: Depot switches - Infrastructure Sharing - #openttdcoop Development Zone" 10:52:14 <Ammler> oh, that is not rss 10:52:23 <Ammler> Brot6: rss show devzone 10:52:24 <Brot6> Ammler: I don't know any feeds named devzone 10:52:29 <Ammler> Brot6: rss show newgrfs 10:52:30 <Brot6> Ammler: lemme fetch it... 10:52:30 <Brot6> Ammler: using old data 10:52:30 <Brot6> Ammler: Channel : NewGRFs: Activity 10:52:30 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Revision 727:659465b6f08e: Merge with default (Xotic750) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-trains/repository/revisions/659465b6f08e 10:52:30 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Revision 726:c3c7c8d7f40b: Add: Dash and Manley-Morel cargo refitted sprites (Xotic750) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-trains/repository/revisions/c3c7c8d7f40b 10:52:33 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains renders - Revision 29:be7f64fa13f1: Add: Dash and Manley-Morel cargo refitted models (Xotic750) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-trains-render/repository/revisions/be7f64fa13f1 10:52:36 <Ammler> Brot6: rehash 10:52:37 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Revision 725:e9c2e1899cee: Add: New models to model list (Xotic750) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-trains/repository/revisions/e9c2e1899cee 10:52:40 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Bug #4075 (New): Wagon speed limits (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4075 10:52:59 <Ammler> Brot6: config rehash 10:53:00 <Brot6> Ammler: incorrect usage, ask for help using 'Brot6: help config' 10:53:10 <Ammler> ah well 10:53:18 <planetmaker> another small update :-) 10:53:37 *** Brot6 has quit IRC 10:54:04 <Ammler> if I would have any clue how to reload :-P 10:54:33 *** Brot6 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 10:54:38 <Ammler> Brot6: rss show newgrfs 10:54:40 <planetmaker> uh... zoom-levels don't quite work as expected ;-) 10:54:58 <Ammler> hmm 10:55:09 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1920:29649785d5c7: Codechange: Allow action0 property information to... XHirundoX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/29649785d5c7 10:55:13 <Brot6> Ammler: lemme fetch it... 10:55:15 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1921:5bb71b9edaf3: Cleanup: Remove all traces of 'append_function', ... XHirundoX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/5bb71b9edaf3 10:55:19 <Brot6> Ammler: using old data 10:55:21 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1922:b1220396bd28: Add: New property 'value_function' for action 0 p... XHirundoX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/b1220396bd28 10:55:22 <Ammler> better? 10:55:25 <Brot6> Ammler: Channel : NewGRFs: Activity 10:55:27 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1923:44b6cd206e57: Codechange: Change the way two_byte_property work... XHirundoX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/44b6cd206e57 10:55:31 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Revision 727:659465b6f08e: Merge with default XXotic750X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-trains/repository/revisions/659465b6f08e 10:55:34 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1924:fb4d11bda091: Change #3828: Rework the RV speed prperty, so it ... XHirundoX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/fb4d11bda091 10:55:38 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Revision 726:c3c7c8d7f40b: Add: Dash and Manley-Morel cargo refitted sprites XXotic750X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-trains/repository/revisions/c3c7c8d7f40b 10:55:51 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains renders - Revision 29:be7f64fa13f1: Add: Dash and Manley-Morel cargo refitted models XXotic750X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-trains-render/repository/revisions/be7f64fa13f1 10:55:51 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Revision 725:e9c2e1899cee: Add: New models to model list XXotic750X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-trains/repository/revisions/e9c2e1899cee 10:55:51 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Bug #4075 (New): Wagon speed limits XplanetmakerX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4075 10:56:01 <Ammler> planetmaker: highlight ^ ? 10:56:22 <planetmaker> not above 10:56:32 <Brot6> zBaseBuild - Revision 5:fbcab6a386d3: -Remove: Removed 'scripts' link XAlberthX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/zbasebuild/repository/revisions/fbcab6a386d3 10:56:32 <Brot6> zBaseBuild - Revision 6:81c693ff8ff1: -Add: Copy of the scripts directory from opengfx, r978 XAlberthX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/zbasebuild/repository/revisions/81c693ff8ff1 10:56:33 <Ammler> ok, so happy? 10:56:36 <planetmaker> yup :-) 10:56:47 * Alberth very happy, thx Ammler 10:57:17 <Alberth> planetmaker: I pushed the changes to make 'scripts' local to zbasebuild 10:57:45 <Alberth> feel free to commit your changes 10:58:00 <planetmaker> did you import all of opengfx? 10:58:18 <planetmaker> I'm working on a merge of plain zbase and plain opengfx 10:58:22 <Alberth> no, just the scripts stuff 10:58:40 <Alberth> and added softlinks to the image directories 11:00:05 <Alberth> ie the files that might get changed 11:00:29 <Alberth> hmm, ok, I should do something now? 11:00:57 <planetmaker> so you do not have the 8bpp sprites in the repo, right? 11:01:21 <planetmaker> that makes it difficult to have it build by the CF 11:01:49 <Alberth> I have no sprite at all in the repo currently 11:01:57 <planetmaker> oh, also not zbase? 11:02:13 <Alberth> that's in ../zbase :) 11:02:57 <Alberth> you can pull a clone locally for building, perhaps even a shallow clone 11:03:54 <planetmaker> not sure that hg supports shallow clones 11:05:13 <planetmaker> hm... subrepos might be an idea. Though they're only recommended as features of last resort 11:06:00 <planetmaker> I'd like a solution which allows us to shove a daily build onto the CF 11:06:25 <planetmaker> which kinda implies one repository only. Or maybe sub repos 11:07:27 <Alberth> a local clone is not that bad 11:07:45 *** Xotic750 has quit IRC 11:08:11 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Bug #4075: Wagon speed limits XXotic750X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4075#change-11163 11:09:52 <Alberth> http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/ShallowClone <-- it's a google summer code project, apparently, but not working yet 11:09:53 <Webster> Title: ShallowClone - Mercurial (at mercurial.selenic.com) 11:11:42 <planetmaker> 2 years ago 11:12:39 <Brot6> zBase - Revision 16:0402e9873d99: Add: Temperated parks. XzephyrisX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/zbase/repository/revisions/0402e9873d99 11:13:47 <planetmaker> is it naive, if I suggest to just pull opengfx into zbase. And then add the stuff there like in the patch I posted above? 11:15:21 <Alberth> please add my 'sprite label' patch first :p 11:18:07 <Alberth> lol, I have nml changesets from the future :) 11:18:22 <planetmaker> :-D 11:18:34 <Alberth> p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; } Date: 2012-07-19 14:17:06 +0200 (in the future) 11:21:49 <planetmaker> :-) 11:22:23 <planetmaker> I'm a bit confused... which sprite labels patch? the one you linked in #openttd? Or...? 11:25:20 <Alberth> http://devs.openttd.org/~alberth/c4_zbasebuild.patch changeset 4 of zbasebuild 11:26:50 <planetmaker> thanks. I totally missed that one 11:30:34 <planetmaker> there 11:30:49 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Feature #3583 (Closed): deprecate / remove refittable_cargo_types XHirundoX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3583#change-11164 11:30:49 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1925:5b66750e929f: Fix: We should always round floats, but not try t... XHirundoX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/5b66750e929f 11:30:49 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1926:98aae4b11e87: Change: Use value_function instead of custom_func... XHirundoX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/98aae4b11e87 11:30:50 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1927:3c5db35b46ce: Cleanup: Remove long-obsolete callback/property '... XHirundoX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/3c5db35b46ce 11:30:54 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1928:ab30326fadc0: Remove: Deprecated refittable_cargo_types propert... XHirundoX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/ab30326fadc0 11:31:18 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Revision 979:03f450b66038: Codechange: Add labels to all spritesets in the 5 base grf (Alb... XplanetmakerX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/03f450b66038 11:33:20 <Hirundo> Alberth: It seems my VM's clock got messed up again, but now I'm back from the future ;-) 11:37:29 <Brot6> Dutch Trains 2 - Support #4062: some train have change their power after buying them. XMuzzyX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4062#change-11165 11:38:45 <Alberth> :) 12:38:41 <dihedral> Ammler, planetmaker, I have a question for you regarding the password changing of the openttdcoop servers 12:39:07 <dihedral> oh - actually ... on a second thought 12:39:11 <dihedral> gnah :-D 12:39:30 <dihedral> i just thought one could use game dates to schedule the process of changing the passwords 12:39:48 <dihedral> but forgot that there are no updates in that respect if the game is paused :-D 12:40:13 <planetmaker> :-) 12:40:31 <planetmaker> of course, it *could* also update when paused. That would - from my POV - not harm 12:41:42 <planetmaker> Hirundo, "long obsolete" is rather relative. It's the only way in the stable version ;-) 12:45:41 <planetmaker> but maybe it gets time to tag some head version as 0.3 :-) 12:45:47 <planetmaker> *0.3.0 12:49:41 <Brot6> Dutch Track Set - Bug #4076 (New): Dutch Track set is incompatible with nutrack XMuzzyX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4076 13:11:36 <Alberth> what's the plan? 13:13:35 <planetmaker> I'm unsure :-) 13:14:01 <planetmaker> To me it looks like the easiest thing to handle is a repo which is a merge of both, zbase and opengfx 13:14:19 <planetmaker> as it can be built by the compilefarm of the devzone 13:14:35 <planetmaker> (it builds in chroot, thus relative paths to other repos wouldn't work) 13:15:22 <planetmaker> and tbh, I really would like to see nightly builds of this 13:15:44 <planetmaker> alternatively we pull opengfx in zbase (with Zephyris' permission) and do there the same thing 13:15:53 <planetmaker> or we pull opengfx into zbase as subrepo 13:16:21 <planetmaker> or vice versa :-) 13:18:03 <planetmaker> Or: maybe even 'better': make both zbase and opengfx a subrepo of a new repo (like zbasebuild). And then build there 13:18:52 <planetmaker> http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/FeaturesOfLastResort makes me hesitant 13:18:53 <Webster> Title: FeaturesOfLastResort - Mercurial (at mercurial.selenic.com) 13:19:00 <Alberth> I am fine with anything 13:19:35 <planetmaker> "Needing (or thinking you need) these features is often an indicator of a bad practice somewhere else in your workflow" 13:21:33 <Alberth> well, the build seems to be the limiting factor here 13:21:48 <Alberth> clone through localhost instead? 13:24:01 <planetmaker> sorry, I don't understand? 13:24:13 <planetmaker> you mean server-side? 13:25:02 <Alberth> if you cannot use the file system, use the network :p 13:27:15 <Brot6> zBaseBuild - Revision 7:d0b3364fc714: -Add: 32bpp sprites for the temperate terrain. XAlberthX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/zbasebuild/repository/revisions/d0b3364fc714 13:34:00 <planetmaker> I still don't get that then :-) 13:35:43 <planetmaker> clone through local host means to adjust the build rule. That certainly *is* feasible 13:35:49 <Alberth> hg clone http://localhost/zbase zbase works even in a chroot environment 13:36:09 <planetmaker> ah, I see 13:43:43 <Brot6> Dutch Track Set - Revision 83:671b83664927: Feature: Yard Rail Graphics (NuTracks v1.1.2 Lowspeed Tr... XTransportmanX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/dutchtracks/repository/revisions/671b83664927 13:43:43 <Brot6> Dutch Track Set - Revision 84:8bd500904533: Doc: Credits for the level crossing lights were missing ... XTransportmanX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/dutchtracks/repository/revisions/8bd500904533 13:43:43 <Brot6> Dutch Track Set - Revision 85:0f816fd4bf13: Doc: Updated Credits XTransportmanX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/dutchtracks/repository/revisions/0f816fd4bf13 13:46:11 <planetmaker> Alberth, if you need a "decision" now, I'd go for the easy approach which I know works without further work: merge both repos. And just add the 32bpp alternative_sprites. 13:46:29 <planetmaker> Otherwise I'd ponder about it more and might try one or the other solution 13:46:57 <Alberth> I am working in zbasebuild currently 13:48:24 <Alberth> so I am adding 32bpp stuff there 13:48:32 <planetmaker> ok :-) 13:50:37 <Alberth> why is the last sprite in a series of a house always flat? 13:50:48 <planetmaker> hu? 13:51:10 <planetmaker> can you point me to sprite series you mean? 13:51:20 <Alberth> sprites/png/houses/base-1430-1433-house.png 1433 is a flat tile 13:51:31 <Alberth> base_graphics spr1433(1433, "sprites/png/houses/base-1430-1433-house.png") { [ 0, 264, 66, 87, -32, -56] } 13:51:51 <Alberth> I'd expect 1430 to be flat 13:52:11 <planetmaker> 1433 is not flat, as you see 13:52:35 <planetmaker> at least not by the source code :-) 13:53:38 <Alberth> well, it's only foundations 13:53:45 <planetmaker> Ok, seems to be the template which is not flat. It's the ground tile the house stands on 13:53:52 <planetmaker> used in transparent / invisible mode 13:54:16 <Alberth> Ah, that makes sense. Thanks 13:54:16 <planetmaker> it's the garden. And a black place where the house stands 13:54:29 <Alberth> :) 13:54:38 <planetmaker> thus it's always drawn. And the house with the appropriate construction state on top. Or not when invisible 13:55:28 <Hirundo> planetmaker: having a warning for 5 months is a long time for me 13:55:58 <planetmaker> Hirundo, that depends on how you look at it. Some people might only use the stable version :-) 13:56:48 <Alberth> Hirundo: ever looked at depreceated Java APIs? some have been obsolete for something near a decade :D 13:57:06 <dihedral> i hate this highlight 13:57:31 <Alberth> ? 13:57:35 <planetmaker> Alberth, every house needs its own ground tile. Seems that it often (always?) comes after the actual house sprite(s) 13:58:02 <planetmaker> One might create special templates for that for houses with 1,2 or three stages 13:58:07 <dihedral> Alberth, 'Java' ;-) 13:58:34 <Alberth> planetmaker: apparently, they also have building stages reversed :) zbase uses 0001 for the floor plan 13:58:44 <Alberth> dihedral: hi java 13:59:00 <planetmaker> Alberth, and there the 0001 as ground sprite makes imho MUCH more sense (the base set order is annoying) 13:59:02 <dihedral> m-m-multi highlight 13:59:24 <Hirundo> People who use nightlies will have fixed the warning already 14:00:03 <Hirundo> People who use stables should read http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/NML:Changes_0.3, where these changes have been listed for 5 months as well 14:02:01 <Brot6> Dutch Track Set - Bug #4076 (Rejected): Dutch Track set is incompatible with nutrack XMuzzyX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4076 14:02:01 <Brot6> Dutch Track Set - Bug #4076 (Rejected): Dutch Track set is incompatible with nutrack XTransportmanX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4076#change-11166 14:05:31 <Brot6> zBase - Revision 17:4f42b04329c5: Add: Some more temperate buildings. XzephyrisX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/zbase/repository/revisions/4f42b04329c5 14:18:53 *** seberoth- has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 14:19:54 *** seberoth has quit IRC 14:19:54 *** Ammler has quit IRC 14:19:54 *** seberoth- is now known as seberoth 14:19:58 *** Ammler has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 14:21:39 *** Ammler has quit IRC 14:22:55 *** Ammler has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 14:32:54 <Alberth> changes in *.pnml files are not registered by make? 14:34:11 <dihedral> not important enough to check that file all the time 14:34:24 <Alberth> except I change them all the time :( 14:34:39 <dihedral> you do?? 14:35:12 <planetmaker> Alberth, the makefile might be somewhat broken... 14:35:20 <Alberth> Hirundo: inconsistency: "base_graphics" versus "alternative_sprites" 14:35:22 <planetmaker> try make remake 14:35:32 <dihedral> Alberth, i'm just pulling your leg ;-) 14:42:32 <Hirundo> Alberth: It is inherently inconsistent, you cannot supply 32bpp/ez (alternative) sprites without 8bpp normal base graphics 14:42:52 <Hirundo> Though I'm open to suggestions on how to improve it 14:43:10 <planetmaker> probably base_sprites(...) 14:43:10 <Alberth> Hirundo: s/alternative_sprites/alternative_graphics/ 14:43:22 <Alberth> or that ^ :) 14:44:11 <planetmaker> actually... graphics is better 14:45:09 <planetmaker> http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/NML:Item <-- for the existence of a graphics block 14:45:30 <Hirundo> The graphics block is not quite the same as base_graphics 14:45:57 <planetmaker> it's not, I know. Its name would rather better be "callbacks" ;-) 14:46:18 <Hirundo> I like sprites somewhat better, since it's really just sprites 14:46:34 <Hirundo> Also, it'd require changing only opengfx, instead of all grfs that have 32bpp sprites 14:47:02 <Alberth> the latter is just egrvts, I think :p 14:47:18 <planetmaker> ogfx-trains and opengfx use it, too 14:47:45 <Alberth> ok :) 14:47:57 <planetmaker> like... opengfx+trains is >50MB grf file :-P 15:17:55 *** LordAro has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:29:54 <Brot6> Dutch Trains 2 - Bug #4077 (New): Control cab ICR NS-Intercity livery won't show up. Xtrainboy2004X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4077 15:30:57 <Brot6> Dutch Trains 2 - Feature Request #4078 (New): Locon 9900 livery Xtrainboy2004X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4078 15:32:58 <Brot6> zBase - Bug #4079 (New): zbase/towns/temperate/1440-1443/64_0005 is empty XAlberthX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4079 15:46:47 <Alberth> nice, we have an invisible elevator :) 15:47:38 <planetmaker> :-D 16:10:27 <planetmaker> IrcCrasherDeveloper 16:10:31 <planetmaker> @ban IrcCrasherDeveloper 16:23:48 <Brot6> zBaseBuild - Revision 8:c99c421cb353: Add: some houses XAlberthX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/zbasebuild/repository/revisions/c99c421cb353 16:31:23 <Brot6> Dutch Trains 2 - Bug #4077 (Resolved): Control cab ICR NS-Intercity livery won't show up. Xtrainboy2004X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4077 16:31:24 <Brot6> Dutch Trains 2 - Bug #4077 (Resolved): Control cab ICR NS-Intercity livery won't show up. Xtrainboy2004X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4077#change-11167 16:44:13 *** frosch123 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:17:14 <Brot6> nml: update from r1918 to r1928 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/nml/nightlies/r1928 17:29:30 <Alberth> hi 17:41:53 <Brot6> zBase - Revision 18:9c0a20ca34af: Add: Oil wells and iron ore mine. XzephyrisX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/zbase/repository/revisions/9c0a20ca34af 17:42:08 <Alberth> \o/ 17:58:01 *** ODM has quit IRC 18:09:31 <Brot6> Dutch Trains 2 - Support #4062: some train have change their power after buying them. XTransportmanX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4062#change-11168 18:10:00 <Brot6> zBase - Bug #4080 (New): temperate oilwells has no ground plate (2173) XAlberthX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4080 18:10:52 <Brot6> Dutch Trains 2 - Support #4062: some train have change their power after buying them. XTransportmanX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4062#change-11168 18:13:05 <Brot6> Dutch Trains 2 - Bug #4081 (New): IRM/VIRM IV depot sprite XTransportmanX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4081 18:18:03 <Brot6> Dutch Trains 2 - Support #4062: some train have change their power after buying them. XTransportmanX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4062#change-11168 18:51:19 <planetmaker> oh... oil wells! 18:52:17 <Alberth> animation looks somewhat weird imho 18:52:38 <Alberth> I was expecting a turning wheel at one end 18:54:50 <Brot6> zBase - Revision 19:83327cb6d5ff: Add: Gold mine and coal mine. XzephyrisX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/zbase/repository/revisions/83327cb6d5ff 18:57:57 <Alberth> oh, those may be easier to understand. 18:58:05 <Brot6> zBaseBuild - Revision 9:54e51ee63aad: Add: Oil wells. XAlberthX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/zbasebuild/repository/revisions/54e51ee63aad 19:00:45 <Alberth> iron ore mine is weird, I need too many sprites, and not a multiple of 9 :p 19:47:26 <planetmaker> Alberth: how save is it, if I start adding also alternative_sprites to zbasebuild? 19:47:59 <Alberth> pretty much 19:48:10 <Alberth> I only have a coal mine here 19:48:26 <Alberth> so knocj yourself out :) 19:48:32 <Alberth> *knock 19:49:23 <planetmaker> sweet :-) 19:49:45 <Alberth> you may need to add more softlinks to the zbasebuild project, pointing to zbase directories 19:50:40 <Alberth> I add top-level directories like 'towns' and 'industries' 19:51:39 <Alberth> Oh, I have to commit the 'industries' softlink too I see 19:52:21 <Alberth> and 'towns' :p 20:00:44 <Alberth> planetmaker: pushed 20:01:04 <Brot6> zBaseBuild - Revision 10:c02ea1ecc24c: Add: coal mine XAlberthX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/zbasebuild/repository/revisions/c02ea1ecc24c 20:01:19 <Alberth> good night 20:02:08 <planetmaker> g'night Alberth 20:02:13 *** Alberth has left #openttdcoop.devzone 20:06:15 *** Rubidium has quit IRC 20:06:21 *** Rubidium has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:09:25 *** ChanServ changes topic to "Talk about things hosted and developed on http://dev.openttdcoop.org | Downloads log: http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/log.csv | Sandbox passwords are the same as the usernames" 20:23:21 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 22:31:51 <Brot6> zBase - Revision 20:937e27e50a52: Add: Copper ore mine. XzephyrisX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/zbase/repository/revisions/937e27e50a52 22:56:28 <Brot6> zBase - Revision 21:e6cc6fc51e8a: Add: Diamond mine. XzephyrisX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/zbase/repository/revisions/e6cc6fc51e8a 23:01:53 <Brot6> zBase - Bug #4080 (Closed): temperate oilwells has no ground plate (2173) XAlberthX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4080 23:01:53 <Brot6> zBase - Revision 22:dc8bc2049406: Add: Oil well ground tile. 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