Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 16th September 2012:
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09:18:37  <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Revision 702:7ded501b7e74: Change: Small tracking table adjustments XoberhuemerX @
09:18:37  <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Revision 703:0d45e6cdc0da: Feature: Graphics for association tank car &... XoberhuemerX @
09:18:37  <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Revision 704:e00c0fcf6f87: Fix: Ignore new NML cache files XoberhuemerX @
09:18:39  <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Revision 705:31c86b24a8c0: Change: Reduced width, uniform height templa... XoberhuemerX @
09:21:01  <Brot6> cets: update from r701 to r705 done (196 warnings) -
09:46:08  <Alberth> svn still fails for me
09:52:53  <Alberth> hmm, https and http fail as well :p
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11:55:38  <Ammler> Alberth: svn? which http?
11:56:28  <Alberth>
11:57:49  <Alberth> ssh://
11:58:07  <Alberth>
11:58:07  <Ammler> what IP do you get?
11:58:32  <Alberth> %  host
11:58:32  <Alberth> is an alias for
11:58:32  <Alberth> has address
11:58:56  <Ammler> ok, you seem to have dns issue, can't influence that
11:59:14  <Alberth> ok, just wait thus
12:00:42  <Ammler>
12:00:49  <Ammler> well, your dns is broken
12:00:57  <Ammler> you could also fix it ;-)
12:01:03  <Ammler> ttl is 600
12:01:14  <Ammler> and as you see on my paste all nameserver report right
12:03:05  <Alberth> but I don't query where you do
12:04:55  <Rubidium> Alberth: congratulations
12:04:59  <Ammler> how does that matter?
12:05:23  <Rubidium> you likely have an ISP that does override the TTL of DNS records
12:05:34  <Ammler> TTL is 600, so every nameserver on this world should refresh openttdcoop dns in 10mins
12:05:35  <Alberth> Rubidium: xs4all :)
12:06:00  <Rubidium> what does dig tell you?
12:06:42  <Ammler> but my local host without host did just show the wrong ip too
12:06:57  <Alberth>
12:07:31  <Rubidium> interesting... I'd've expected the 600 to be much bigger
12:07:50  <Rubidium> although, is a local DNS server
12:09:26  <Rubidium> could you try dig @ ?
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12:09:54  <Alberth> quak
12:10:00  <Rubidium> <moin>
12:10:06  <frosch123> hai :)
12:10:17  <Ammler> I assume that is your router?
12:10:26  <frosch123> no, it's myself
12:10:50  <Ammler> oh, and hello Fröschli
12:10:56  <Alberth>
12:11:03  <frosch123> i have no highlight on that one :p
12:11:23  <Alberth> highlighting is overrated :)
12:11:41  <Rubidium> Alberth: so your ISP is caching badly from somewhere
12:12:03  <Rubidium> Ammler: when did you change the 178.x.y.z to 5.x.y.z?
12:13:07  <Ammler> 24h
12:13:11  <Rubidium> Alberth: looks like the 'perfect' time to use hosts (or complain to xs4all)
12:13:17  <Ammler> aroundish
12:13:36  <Ammler> more 30h
12:13:38  <Rubidium> hmm, not half a week ago? That sucks :(
12:14:02  <Ammler> I changed ttl around half a year ago
12:14:17  <Rubidium> TTL is pointless...
12:14:29  <Rubidium> ... if the ISP overrides/ignores it
12:14:44  <Ammler> well, I seriously would not like to support such isps
12:15:43  <Alberth> 10 minutes for a hostname to live is sort of ridiculous imho
12:16:01  <Ammler> there are dsndns with around 2mins
12:16:06  <Rubidium> Alberth: it's essential for migrations
12:16:13  <Ammler> dyndns*
12:16:31  <Rubidium> if ISPs limit this to days or weeks, it means that *all* customers of that ISP are caught up in migration issues
12:16:37  <Alberth> Ammler: yep, and people synchronizing time with the atomic clock every hour
12:16:40  <Ammler>       60      IN      A
12:18:13  <Ammler> Alberth: how does your is support such dosmains?
12:18:21  <Ammler> p
12:18:53  <Alberth> Ammler: I don't know, I am not an ISP nor do I have interest in becoming one
12:20:46  <Ammler> well, it could also be the nameserver you get is broken
12:20:55  <Ammler> you just have bad luck
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13:01:38  <Ammler> Alberth: in your case, you should change your nameserver, you could use for example
13:01:54  <Ammler> (don't use your isp nameserver)
13:03:17  <Ammler> oh, and don't forget to report the issue
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17:08:14  <Hirundo> I just noticed, I committed NML r2000 yesterday :-)
17:12:58  <Terkhen> congrats :)
17:17:14  <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Revision 706:77880f521b8e: actually remove ignored files XEddiX @
17:18:00  <Hirundo> ah well, perhaps it gets done at some point, perhaps it doesn't
17:18:47  <Hirundo> generally FOSS projects are never done
17:19:36  <Brot6> cets: update from r705 to r706 done (196 warnings) -
17:19:37  <Hirundo> NML won't ever get done as long as mr quak keeps commiting shiny new NewGRF features to openttd from time to time ;-)
17:20:50  <frosch123> well, you and yexo are also able to put work on yourself that way :p
17:20:55  <Brot6> cets: update from r701 to r706 done (196 warnings) -
17:22:00  <Hirundo> you have a highlight on quak?
17:23:09  <frosch123> yup :p
17:23:40  <Hirundo> hmm... so my attempt to avoid a needless highlight failed :p my bad
17:24:03  <frosch123> usually "quak" is directed towards me :p
17:32:08  <Ammler> you need to call him Fröschli, if you don't want to disturb him
17:38:22  <Hirundo> that is 'little frog' or something?
17:48:36  <frosch123> it's swiss
17:56:03  <Hirundo> frosch123: Why is there no equivalent of station var 49 that starts counting from the middle?
17:56:32  <frosch123> just use var 40 :p
17:56:50  <frosch123> there are dozen of variants
17:56:57  <frosch123> even more with secondary scopes :p
17:57:05  <Hirundo> Of course the information is mostly redundant
17:58:00  <Hirundo> But it makes the spec not completely orthogonal, it would be easier if it was
17:58:47  <Hirundo> Basically there are two starting points (top tile, middle) and three edge detection methods (end of station, different station spec, different direction)
17:59:49  <Hirundo> My idea was to make all those 40+x variables a single var in NML, with parameters to determine the actual nfo var to use
18:00:47  <Hirundo> Else there would be 7 nibbles * 5 nfo vars = 35 different NML vars to code and document
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18:28:25  <Brot6> Dutch Track Set - Bug #4218 (New): Let Devzone also make .tar XTransportmanX @
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19:07:27  <Hirundo> Ammler: I'm getting a 'Connection refused' error when trying to push/pull to/from openttdcoop server
19:09:40  <Hirundo> Connections over http work fine, but doesn't work
19:21:11  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 2001:3d0fdb010616: Add: 'default'-callback for stations, so it's pos... XHirundoX @
19:21:11  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 2002:5193017e7004: Add: Station variable 0x40 and its friends (platf... XHirundoX @
19:21:16  <Brot6> Dutch Track Set - Bug #4218: Let Devzone also make .tar XAmmlerX @
19:21:31  <Hirundo> ^ Now it works again, strange
19:24:04  <Brot6> Dutch Track Set - Bug #4218: Let Devzone also make .tar XAmmlerX @
19:24:28  <Ammler> Hirundo: what IP do you get for it?
19:26:02  <Hirundo> Now:
19:26:18  <Hirundo> I'm didn't check before, when it didn't work
19:28:26  <Ammler> so your push was via http?
19:29:47  <Hirundo> https
19:34:34  <Ammler> so you can't reproduce the error you reported 30mins ago?
19:42:53  <Brot6> Dutch Track Set - Bug #4218: Let Devzone also make .tar XTransportmanX @
19:44:02  <Hirundo> Ammler: Nope, else I couldn't have committed NML r2001 and r2002
19:45:22  <Ammler> well, there is ssh
19:46:45  <Hirundo> hmm... no I tried a couple of times and I get a mixture of 'Connection refused', 'Connection timed out' and a normal (working) response :S
19:46:57  <Hirundo> no->now
19:54:15  <Brot6> Dutch Track Set - Bug #4218: Let Devzone also make .tar XTransportmanX @
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20:42:09  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 2003:2024663a31f7: Add: Global constants for some station vars. Also... XHirundoX @
20:52:19  <Brot6> Dutch Track Set - Bug #4218: Let Devzone also make .tar XAmmlerX @
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21:48:09  <Frankr> Guys is Devzone down?
21:55:20  <planetmaker> not for me
21:56:07  <Frankr> oh its fine now
22:38:55  <Frankr> planetmaker does it work for you now?
22:42:55  <planetmaker> yes
23:01:15  <Ammler> Frankr: what is not working?
23:01:44  <Frankr> website and hg pull for me
23:01:57  <Ammler> what ip get you for it?
23:02:27  <Frankr> which?
23:02:35  <Ammler> both
23:04:21  <Ammler> a paste of your "hg paths" might also be useful
23:05:58  <Frankr> ok
23:06:31  <Frankr> the website is
23:07:22  <Frankr> same for hg
23:09:02  <Frankr> my hg paths are default =
23:09:03  <Frankr> default-push = https://frank:***
23:09:06  <Ammler> ok
23:09:10  <Ammler> so it is a dns issue
23:09:25  <Frankr> yes
23:09:43  <Ammler> you wanna fix it or workaround it?
23:10:19  <Frankr> well a fix would be better i don't need to push right now
23:10:33  <Ammler> then you should tell that your isp
23:10:35  <Ammler> :-P
23:10:53  <Ammler> workaround is to define your own nameservers
23:11:00  <Ammler> like google:
23:11:55  <Frankr> lol, ok
23:12:00  <Ammler> you aren't the first here having bad isp
23:12:41  <Ammler> we should change ip every month or so, just to force the people to care about
23:12:52  <Frankr> it works at times which is wierd
23:13:13  <Ammler> yeah the isp might have servers which are ok, some aren't
23:13:46  <Ammler> usually people get around 2-3 of them
23:14:13  <Ammler> you could also edit your local hosts file
23:14:26  <Ammler> just remember to remove it again
23:15:02  <Ammler> in _any_ case, it is nothing we can do about :-)
23:15:26  <Ammler> well, I could setup an altennative address
23:15:36  <Frankr> ok, cheers. I'll sort it another time, :)
23:16:14  <Ammler> yeah, it shouldn't hurt, you don't want to rlease beta?
23:16:59  <Ammler> tomorrow, the old server is down, then 2 more servers are gone
23:17:00  <Frankr> no, i've rearranged the plane list in to alphabetical order that's all so nothing major, :)
23:17:34  <Frankr> you fully moved now then?
23:18:07  <Ammler> we fully moved yesterday
23:18:46  <Ammler> I just played around with proxy which got troubles
23:18:57  <Frankr> Ah, cool
23:19:45  <Frankr> I would imagine the Beta will be release in the next few days

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