Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 15th October 2012:
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00:00:01  <Brot6> Makefile for NewGRFs: Common part - Revision 29:fb96bc494472: Codechange: Move option names to CmdLi... XAlberthX @
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09:04:16  <V453000> hi, I updated NML and thought this would work as in
09:04:20  <V453000> am I doing something wrong?
09:04:52  <V453000> line 61: Using a unit for a property is only allowed if the value is constant
09:05:07  <V453000> if I dont use the km/h there, it says Unit conversion specified for property but no constant value found
09:05:22  <V453000> at line 61 again of course
09:07:11  <planetmaker> what NML version?
09:07:51  <V453000> I tried the 0.2.4, trying nightly now
09:08:04  <planetmaker> 0.2.4 most likely doesn't have that
09:08:13  <V453000> oh okay sorry, me dumb :)
09:08:54  <Yexo> it's not listed in the changelog for 0.2.4, so indeed not backported
09:09:30  <planetmaker> was just checking that :-)
09:10:23  <V453000> I have no idea why I didnt try nightly right away, guess I saw 0.2.4 on the blog
09:10:25  <V453000> sorry :)
09:10:31  <Ammler> I guess, you won't be the last goint into this trap, the release announcement maybe should be more verbose about that
09:11:07  <V453000> I guess I just got reminded about the parameters I was trying, but it wasnt written in there :D imaginations
09:12:10  <planetmaker> The issue with NML is that the 0.2 branch is the release version... but that it (IMHO) makes more sense to use the 0.3 nightlies :-)
09:12:37  <V453000> awesome it works :)
09:12:45  <V453000> thanks
09:12:48  <planetmaker> But the release changelogs do not mention that feature, so... yes. Only what they mention is supposed to work
09:13:12  <V453000> yeah they didnt, it was my bad I *somehow* got to the issue thread
09:13:15  <planetmaker> V453000, be aware that nightly NML will disallow to have your newgrf run on anything earlier than OpenTTD 1.2.0
09:13:18  <V453000> I really dont know how I managed to do that
09:13:31  <Ammler> did you already replace "my" logic train, btw.?
09:13:31  <V453000> yeah I know pm
09:13:40  <planetmaker> I'm sure that *you* don't mind - but some of your users might complain ;-) Just tell them to suck it :-P
09:13:46  <V453000> :D :P
09:13:57  <V453000> Yes I did Ammler, formerly temporarily without the parameter
09:14:00  <V453000> now with it
09:14:29  <Ammler> on bananas?
09:14:37  <V453000> yes
09:14:52  <V453000> we discussed the stopped/running red/green trains back then
09:15:00  <V453000> I needed compatibility for toyland
09:15:08  <V453000> if you remember :)
09:15:16  <Ammler> ah indeed, 0.7
09:15:21  <V453000> exactly
09:15:57  <Ammler> where is the source hosted?
09:16:25  <V453000> might have forgotten to put it anywhere, but I guess it goes to the help center
09:16:43  <V453000> will do now
09:17:14  <Ammler> well, create a project without repo
09:17:25  <V453000> or that
09:18:24  <Ammler> <-- you could put it here
09:18:40  <V453000> ah yes you already linked me there before I think
09:20:32  <V453000> any ideas? I have speed and introduction date parameter
09:20:36  <V453000> cant think of anything else really
09:20:40  <V453000> could add things like power I guess
09:21:28  <Ammler> did you ever test with other tracks?
09:21:42  <V453000> you mean putting it on monorail?
09:21:52  <V453000> it is not trivial, acceleration is bad so you have to limit speed, nuts has those
09:22:15  <V453000> nuts also has universal tracks so you can do basically anything with that
09:22:36  <Ammler> yeah, was basically wondering, if that is still hardcoded into ttd or setable via newgrf
09:22:56  <V453000> what do you mean
09:23:06  <V453000> the tractive effort?
09:23:09  <Ammler> yep
09:23:38  <V453000> mhm ... does not matter much I guess
09:23:44  <Ammler> would have expected so much with railtypes
09:23:49  <V453000> I could even make a mininewgrf of universal tracks alone
09:24:06  <V453000> it is still useful outside nuts of course
09:24:17  <V453000> and you dont load nuts just cause you need the tracks, that would be stupid
09:29:34  <V453000> what exactly counts as the source? the nml file, language file, custom tags and sprites
09:29:42  <V453000> compile as well I guess
09:30:56  <Ammler> then maybe easiest to make it a repo :-P
09:31:38  <V453000> I need the development environment to communicate with repository dont I
09:32:06  <Ammler> you have that for nuts already, don't you?
09:32:25  <V453000> ofc not
09:32:28  <V453000> nuts isnt on devzone
09:32:38  <V453000> just some sprites
09:33:58  <Ammler> V453000: the make a zip
09:34:06  <Ammler> and upload it to files
09:34:18  <V453000> alright
09:34:27  <Ammler> hmm, nuts has no repo?
09:34:47  <Ammler> that awesome super set has no source?
09:35:13  <V453000> no it is not gpl
09:42:27  <Ammler> well, I assume it is not gpl because you are too lazy to provide the source
09:42:49  <Ammler> you know, you don't need a working makefile environment to supply sources?
09:43:15  <Ammler> providing source doesn't mean you need to support building
09:43:41  <V453000> I do not really care about the source providing etc I just do not want it under open license
09:46:28  <V453000> hope that works
09:46:48  <V453000> I guess that link should be somewhere in a readme or something eh
09:47:03  <Brot6> MiniGRFs - XV453000X @
09:47:10  <V453000> ah
09:49:25  <V453000> is it ok like that?
09:53:55  <V453000> holy shit is it even possible that 0.8 has twice the amount of downloads than 0.7? :O
09:54:25  <V453000> oh nevermind
09:54:35  <V453000> missing a number there :D it is 125 k not 12k
09:54:50  <V453000> it was suspicious :)
10:02:01  <Ammler> you _do_ care about source providing, else you would want it under open license :-P
10:02:24  <V453000> yes but the ways of uploading arent relevant
10:04:38  <Ammler> IMO, nuts would be a nice set, well well :-)
10:05:24  <V453000> im just scared of situations like I have experienced when someone starts asking why is this or that feature not there and after half an hour of me explaning why, he asks where is the source
10:05:34  <V453000> the set is nice as it is, imo :p
10:06:23  <V453000> I dont have a problem with releasing any of the sprites
10:06:53  <Ammler> non-os newgrfs have a big penalty in niceiness :-P
10:07:35  <V453000> how come :)
10:07:49  <Ammler> ah, that shit all closed source authors tell
10:08:18  <Ammler> if you ask, I give you the spites, blah blah blah :-P
10:08:50  <V453000> yes :) that shit
10:09:27  <V453000> I could just upload all the sprites to cut that line but I cba to update it :p
10:09:52  <Ammler> do you use hg locally?
10:10:15  <V453000> no
10:10:38  <V453000> dont seem to need it
10:11:12  <Ammler> but you have a backup, if your disk crashes?
10:11:17  <V453000> of course
10:11:21  <Ammler> :-D
10:11:38  <V453000> I even managed to overwrite one of the files in photoshop cause shift didnt work :)
10:13:25  <Ammler> well, if you ever change you mind, I would be very happy to assist you, you have already the devzone project, I just expored :-)
10:14:08  <V453000> thank you for your offer but it would create needless stress from people who want to adjust things in the set, even those seemingly (for them) harmless like adding features e.g. autorefit
10:14:30  <V453000> my other smaller newGRFs are of course going to be GPL
10:14:37  <V453000> not nuts
10:14:37  <Ammler> there is no mercurial enforcement
10:15:03  <V453000> software needed or things to be done are unimportant
10:15:14  <Ammler> again, providing source does not mean, providing support
10:16:02  <Ammler> en Guete
10:16:22  <V453000> im happy with how it is atm :)
10:16:40  <Ammler> im worried :-P
10:16:51  <V453000> about what
10:17:44  <Ammler> if you don't like devzone, you can also upload it as zip to tt-forums or public dropbox share or whatever
10:19:13  <V453000> as I said the means of sharing arent an issue
10:19:25  <V453000> the problem is that I am a complete bitch. :)
10:19:35  <V453000> and I dont want the set to be nice, or at least give it the penalty :p
10:20:03  <V453000> oh and I should be stoned to death :P may the stoning commence
10:24:52  <planetmaker> I fail to see how being open-source also on the NML puts any obligation on you to implement *whatever*, V453000
10:26:09  <planetmaker> or how you come to that IMHO silly conclusion
10:26:33  <V453000> well it doesnt have to be me who implements the whatever
10:26:49  <planetmaker> the only option it gives to me seems to be able to say "do it yourself". I've never seen anyone to follow up on that suggestion
10:28:13  <planetmaker> and those who want to do a mod, can do so by de-compiling the grf anyway
10:29:09  <Ammler> V453000: it would also be nice to see ugly source ;-)
10:29:21  <V453000> you totally dont want to see my coding Ammler :D
10:29:31  <Ammler> sureIdo
10:29:32  <V453000> 20k lines straight one file
10:30:02  <planetmaker> so, does it matter?
10:30:21  <V453000> probably not
10:32:19  <V453000> just extra work at this point from my point of view
10:32:27  <planetmaker> which extra work?
10:32:50  <V453000> from updating to new nml, making it at least somewhat clean (mixed up language file with custom tags and who knows what else)
10:32:54  <planetmaker> zip *.nml lang/*.lng graphics/*png > or so
10:32:56  <Ammler> zip files; upload; done
10:33:20  <planetmaker> no cleanup needed. And... it would IMHO send a very positive message
10:33:38  <Ammler> :-)
10:33:52  <V453000> hm I guess I do not need anything like devzone compiling, I can keep that local
10:33:54  <Ammler> cleanup would be nice, if you would setup it on a mercurial repo
10:33:54  <planetmaker> one of them being: you don't need all the "fancy stuff" (like makefiles, devzone framework etc)
10:34:09  <V453000> I see
10:34:24  <planetmaker> and thus encourage more people to try things like these
10:34:43  <Ammler> I guess, it would even be a easy step to convert your compile.bat in a for our build server
10:34:50  <planetmaker> yes
10:35:07  <planetmaker> but that's not needed
10:35:36  <planetmaker> it's one thing to publish your source (like for instance swedish houses) and another to use a thing like devzone to host or even build the grf
10:35:38  <Ammler> nope...
10:35:39  <planetmaker> that's totally unrelated
10:36:11  <V453000> holy hell why is my project list so long :D
10:36:30  <V453000> oh game servers added
10:36:36  <Ammler> project list?
10:36:55  <V453000> yes :)
10:37:05  <Ammler> what's that?
10:37:07  <V453000> hm looks like devzone wont chew 115mb up
10:37:15  <Ammler> :-P
10:37:33  <V453000> that pixel thing I started a while back, and the small projects like minigrf and stuff
10:37:53  <V453000> what am I doing at OSQC is a question but .. :)
10:38:27  <Ammler> devzone file limit is now 500MB :-P
10:38:38  <Ammler> (it was 50MB)
10:39:15  <V453000> I can see that :)
10:39:16  <planetmaker> 100 MByte? that's... huge. Not even OpenGFX or FIRS or CETS have a source close to that size...
10:39:29  <V453000> :d
10:39:33  <V453000> I wonder what is there
10:39:39  <V453000> that makes it so big
10:39:43  <Ammler> you see another reason to see your awesome source :-P
10:39:50  <V453000> OHHHH
10:39:52  <V453000> fuck :D
10:40:00  <V453000> there are multiple copies
10:40:02  <Ammler> maybe you hide your pron
10:40:15  <V453000> no there is just backups when I update nml etc
10:40:30  <planetmaker> actually... OpenGFX is 33M and a single checkout is... 22M or so
10:40:34  <planetmaker> hehe
10:40:46  <Ammler> what is zbase in the meantime?
10:40:47  <V453000> ok 25,3
10:40:55  <planetmaker> zbase is about 250MByte
10:41:10  <Ammler> planetmaker: that is binary size (grf)
10:41:34  <planetmaker> dunno. I have no checkout at work of that ;-)
10:41:43  <V453000> hm I have all 34 binaries in it as well :D
10:42:14  <V453000> whatever, a folder
10:42:49  <planetmaker> hehe :-)
10:43:23  <planetmaker> looks familiar? ;-)
10:43:59  <V453000> :D
10:45:07  <V453000> 8mb
10:45:08  <V453000> :D
10:45:15  <V453000> soon there wont be anything
10:45:41  <planetmaker> :D 8MByte sounds about the size I'd exept roughly +- 4 MByte ;-)
10:46:10  <V453000> I might have a lot of old sprites there which are just basically duplicate in file size
10:46:28  <Brot6> Unrealistic Trainset - XV453000X @
10:46:48  <V453000> the rest as license stuff etc, later I will have to go in several minutes
10:46:55  <planetmaker> it's good to give the version of NUTS it corresponds to in the filename :D
10:46:57  <V453000> also Ammler try not to die when looking at that, please
10:47:08  <V453000> version = LATEST :>
10:47:09  <V453000> :p
10:47:14  <planetmaker> :P
10:47:39  <V453000> guess I cant rename the file
10:47:43  <V453000> next time
10:47:52  <planetmaker> yup :-)
10:49:18  <V453000> there is an empty TO DO.txt file, how idylic
10:49:21  <Ammler> V453000: I would not install nmlc to the same dir as the project, you could put it in c:\nml and then add that to %path%
10:49:35  <V453000> that sounds too smart Ammler
10:49:45  <V453000> out of the question
10:49:49  <Ammler> :-)
10:49:57  <Brot6> Unrealistic Trainset - XV453000X @
10:50:16  <V453000> ha
10:50:28  <Ammler> you really should use vcs, that is also nice just local :-P
10:50:30  <V453000> with version number now :)
10:50:41  <V453000> I use this :-D im not changing anything, it works
10:50:47  <Ammler> :-D
10:50:57  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 2956:230b14734dd5: Codechange: rename some industry_layout ... XandythenorthX @
10:50:59  <V453000> anything I ever change it means I fuck UP, and then I solve shit for half a day
10:51:12  <Ammler> well, you uploaded the source, so life with comments :-P
10:51:26  <V453000> cant say I have a problem with these :p
10:51:46  <planetmaker> Ammler, it took you months to convince me that using svn is a good thing. Later it took you months to convince me that hg is better ;-) Yes, you were right in both cases ;-)
10:52:15  <V453000> yes but you arent as disabled in all this stuff as I am pm :)
10:52:16  <Ammler> planetmaker: I also needed to know openttd to know vcs at all
10:52:31  <Ammler> I used that stuff before just for checkout
10:52:38  <planetmaker> V453000, using a VCS *is* an entry barrier. But once you go the first steps, it *really* makes it easy to keep track of stuff. No need to backup or so
10:52:56  <V453000> yes I think I already attempted to de-barierize that
10:53:00  <planetmaker> well... not backup. But things like nuts-testXY-version1.nml etc :-)
10:53:08  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #4415 (New): Unwanted Subsidence XandythenorthX @
10:53:09  <Ammler> I am a bit sad, that simple libreoffice doesn't support something like that
10:53:34  <planetmaker> V453000, I totally was before I started OpenTTD development.
10:53:35  <V453000> meh :) I will have to run, cya
10:53:44  <planetmaker> I had never seen svn nor hg before I started to meddle with openttd
10:53:57  <planetmaker> all things I learnt I learnt here :-)
10:54:16  <V453000> if I come back and Ammler is dead because of looking at my code, I will go to switzerland and spill a keg of beer on your grave
10:54:27  <planetmaker> :D
10:54:34  <planetmaker> I hope czech beer?
10:54:53  <V453000> yes I am a bit selective in that I dont even call other stuff beer :p
10:55:05  <Ammler> then I will revive :-P
10:55:24  <V453000> arguably czech beer is a bit specific to what you cultivated europeans drink
10:55:34  <planetmaker> uhm... is it?
10:55:36  <Ammler> well, cz beer might be good, but I would prefer Feldschlösschen
10:55:47  <planetmaker> Pilsener is called Pilsener for a reason... Pilzen
10:56:02  <planetmaker> Feldschlösschen? urgs... wash-up water
10:56:02  <V453000> pretty much :)
10:56:38  <V453000> anyway I have to run else I miss the bus, toodles
10:56:56  * Ammler is going to modify nuts :-P
10:57:15  <V453000> also I have a 45 page article coming tonight or sometime soon :p
10:58:06  <Ammler> planetmaker: what is zbaseopengfx?
11:00:05  <planetmaker> not sure... maybe the opengfx copy used by zbase
11:00:08  <planetmaker> zbasebuild
11:00:14  <planetmaker> maybe a test
11:01:04  <Ammler> it is empty
11:03:00  <planetmaker> might then be a test...
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17:10:51  <Brot6> nml: update from r2038 to r2039 done -
17:20:09  <Brot6> firs: update from r2955 to r2965 done (3 warnings) -
17:34:19  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 2042:9c8d38aa7c97: Merge: Changelog from 0.2.4 XyexoX @
17:36:06  <planetmaker> hm, interesting. graft didn't change the author :-)
17:44:01  <Yexo> that's very nice when backporting
17:44:53  <planetmaker> yes, it's very nice. I'm just positively surprised :-)
17:48:25  <Ammler> @services op
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18:19:38  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 2966:bb44dcf8ecbe: Codechange: refactor how industry layout... XandythenorthX @
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19:22:39  <V453000> is there any "standard" way how to generate grfid?
19:23:12  <V453000> I know someone did something like that when I was pickin one for nuts but cant remember
19:24:17  <planetmaker> yes-ish. first two or three bytes are your intials. Last one or two are a number which count your distinct newgrfs (not their respective version!)
19:24:33  <planetmaker> but... anything really is fine
19:24:42  <planetmaker> except if it's used already ;-)
19:25:10  <V453000> :o
19:25:29  <V453000> HA I wonder how I got to this
19:26:19  <planetmaker> then use for the next newgrf of yours HA
19:26:26  <planetmaker> or HA
19:26:40  <V453000> alright ... what I am more wondering about is why HA as my initials are VB :D
19:26:42  <planetmaker> actually the latter is better
19:26:50  <planetmaker> :-)
19:26:57  <V453000> the numbers were sort of clear, but the letters ... idk :)
19:27:01  <V453000> im HA now
19:27:08  <planetmaker> HAHA :-P
19:27:17  <V453000> yes :)
19:28:01  <Yexo> perhaps VB was already taken?
19:28:45  <V453000> I guess, I really cant remember at all
19:28:47  <Rubidium> @base 16 10 4841
19:28:47  <Webster> Rubidium: 18497
19:28:56  <Rubidium> @base 16 10 4148
19:28:57  <Webster> Rubidium: 16712
19:29:05  <Rubidium> or that number have any significance to you?
19:29:20  <V453000> no :)
19:30:33  <V453000> well that will remain a mystery I guess :D
19:32:06  <Ammler> since you don't need version in the ID, you could use 3 :-)
19:32:27  <Rubidium> @base 16 10 14148
19:32:27  <Webster> Rubidium: 82248
19:32:31  <frosch> iirc some douche used "    " as grfid
19:32:31  <Rubidium> @base 16 10 14841
19:32:32  <Webster> Rubidium: 84033
19:32:51  <V453000> what results does that bring frosch
19:32:51  <Rubidium> nope, not close to 453000 either :(
19:33:16  <Ammler> the grfpack has textfile to search for existing ids
19:33:29  <^Spike^> Webster will lose connectivity
19:33:30  <frosch> V453000: four spaces?
19:33:34  <^Spike^> so be quick if you need something from him :)
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19:46:55  <^Spike^> is anyone planning to push stuff to dev within 30-60 minutes?
19:47:27  * Rubidium isn't (at the moment)
19:48:00  <^Spike^> want to move dev back to the new server to see how it responds
19:48:10  <^Spike^> so need to sync the usual stuff and dns changes etc
19:48:33  <Rubidium> not everyone pushing is reguarly on IRC though
19:48:40  <^Spike^> true
19:48:57  <^Spike^> can be fixed easily usually... ;)
19:49:05  <^Spike^> shutdown -r now.... :)
19:49:10  <V453000> wanted to say that ^
20:01:41  <Brot6> friss: rebuild of r43 done (Diffsize: 2284) (DiffDiffsize: 15) -
20:04:06  <Brot6> dutchtrains: rebuild of r637 done (Diffsize: 887) (DiffDiffsize: 15) -
20:08:10  <Brot6> metrotrackset: rebuild of r107 done (Diffsize: 2374) (DiffDiffsize: 12) -
20:19:21  <Brot6> uselesstracks: rebuild of r18 done (Diffsize: 417) (DiffDiffsize: 15) -
20:22:57  <Brot6> Following repos rebuilds successful without any difference to earlier nightlies builds: ogfx-trains (1 warnings) (Diffsize: 7840), zbuild, ogfx-industries (Diffsize: 48460), opengfx, foobarstramtracks, bandit (1 warnings) (Diffsize: 8191), cets (192 warnings), manindu (Diffsize: 2), newgrf_makefile (Diffsize: 1), ogfx-biggui (Diffsize: 64), swisstowns (Diffsize: 51), make-nml, britrains (7 warnings) (Diffsize: 78441), dutchroadfurniture
20:22:57  <Brot6> (Diffsize: 204661), spanishtowns (Diffsize: 8), frenchtowns, ogfx-rv (Diffsize: 2039), fish (1 warnings), dutchtracks, ogfx-landscape, swedishrails (Diffsize: 1322), german-townnames (Diffsize: 5042), belarusiantowns (Diffsize: 72), indonesiantowns (1 warnings) (Diffsize: 350), debugveh (Diffsize: 989), airportsplus (Diffsize: 101058)
20:27:00  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 2969:abfddf5efed7: Codechange: add some better comments XandythenorthX @
20:27:00  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 2970:c2763e7352d0: Codechange: refactor how spritesets are ... XandythenorthX @
20:28:13  <^Spike^> seems my idea for maintenance took a bit longer...
20:28:25  <andythenorth> oops :(
20:28:28  <andythenorth> sorry
20:28:35  <^Spike^> nah not a problem
20:28:35  <^Spike^> i can move it easily :)
20:28:44  <^Spike^> not like you broke....
20:28:51  <^Spike^> only the whole server died.. but well that's nothing new ;)
20:28:55  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 2971:565ada47ae5b: Codechange: blearch, use *args and **kwa... XandythenorthX @
20:29:55  <andythenorth> ^Spike^: ok, no more tonight from me then
20:30:00  <Brot6> firs: update from r2968 to r2970 done (3 warnings) -
20:30:15  <^Spike^> nah when i'll actually do it.. (or we depending on who does it) we'll make sure it's known
20:30:32  <^Spike^> i can sync most stuff without the need for to stop pushing stuff
20:31:13  <^Spike^> and sql shouldn't be the problem either as it's replicating both ways
20:32:07  <Brot6> firs: update from r2970 to r2971 done (3 warnings) -
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20:38:37  <^Spike^> only thing annoying can be dns in the end... but as said will say it when i kill the services etc
20:54:31  <^Spike^> Will shutdown services on dev shortly @ 23:00 (CET) to migrate it back to the new server (and hopefully be stable)
20:55:04  <andythenorth> good luck
20:55:07  <andythenorth> and good night ;)
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20:55:12  <^Spike^> .... :)
20:59:15  <Rubidium> so in an hour? ;)
20:59:24  <^Spike^> .....
20:59:31  <^Spike^> i so hate timezones :)
20:59:41  <^Spike^> correct rubi in 1 minute ;)
20:59:57  <Rubidium> well...
21:00:04  <Rubidium> currently I'm at 23:00 CEST
21:00:06  <Ammler> #openttdcoop timezone is UTC
21:00:15  <Rubidium> CEST is one hour off CET
21:00:29  <^Spike^> :)
21:00:38  <Rubidium> so.. it's 23:00 CEST, 22:00 CET and 21:00 UTC
21:00:46  <^Spike^> ... :)
21:01:03  <Rubidium> yay "summer" time
21:01:13  <^Spike^> doesn't feel like summer to me :D
21:01:28  <Ammler> definitly no summer
21:01:56  <Rubidium> but I wouldn't call it winter either
21:02:03  <^Spike^> fall? :)
21:02:21  * Rubidium isn't aware of CEFT
21:03:11  * Rubidium buggers off
21:03:37  <^Spike^> :)
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21:07:12  <^Spike^> that clearly wasn't 480 seconds... the ircd is wrong... :)
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21:15:02  <Brot6> Unable to connect to Failed.  Response code = 504.  Response message = Gateway Time-out.
21:24:09  <^Spike^> IF dns gets updated everywhere it should be all up again
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21:24:54  <Ammler> @services op
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21:45:20  <Brot6> DevZone Help Center - Revision 168:a1369aba868b: [Compiler] Change: add transl-url XAmmlerX @
21:45:20  <Brot6> DevZone Help Center - Revision 169:05328fa0c691: [Compiler] Change: Alberth does not like -x XAmmlerX @
21:45:55  <Brot6> FISH - Revision 934:28c0935cfbc2: Feature: steam versions of the two large inland barges XandythenorthX @
21:45:55  <Brot6> FISH - Revision 935:e122e82acb03: Change: introduce Fastnet paddle steamer in 1912 XandythenorthX @
21:45:55  <Brot6> FISH - Revision 936:cbee357acb64: Codechange: enable build on push for devzone XandythenorthX @
21:45:57  <Brot6> FISH - Revision 937:ae1386278e35: Feature: shuffled tanker barges around to provide some earlier mod... XandythenorthX @
21:46:01  <Brot6> FISH - Revision 938:cae59d45e235: Change: small tweak to speed for some of the larger ships for game... XandythenorthX @
21:46:29  <Brot6> feed BaseSets had 15 updates, showing the latest 10
21:46:29  <Brot6> zBaseBuild - Revision 237:7fd57d7082df: Add: last toyland engine XRubidiumX @
21:46:29  <Brot6> zBaseBuild - Revision 238:8f03e7f6d687: Fix: use toyland specific canal/river water (Fixes #4407) XRubidiumX @
21:46:29  <Brot6> zBaseBuild - Revision 239:8bc8ef44f12c: Fix: fizzy drink factory alignment (Fixes #4409) XRubidiumX @
21:46:32  <Brot6> zBuild - Revision 67:59906d09999a: Add: another day's work XRubidiumX @
21:46:35  <Brot6> zBaseBuild - Revision 240:16ef322176bc: Change: mark sprite as empty properly XRubidiumX @
21:46:39  <Brot6> zBaseBuild - Revision 241:5b1efa1a34f8: Update: some of the documentation XRubidiumX @
21:46:42  <Brot6> zBaseBuild - Revision 242:8aa0b3b162ee: Fix: offset of bought land sign XRubidiumX @
21:46:47  <Brot6> zBuild - Revision 68:6ab5e240292b: Fix: bought land sign location XRubidiumX @
21:46:50  <Brot6> zBase - Bug #4373 (Closed): Missing (company) statue XzephyrisX @
21:46:53  <Brot6> zBase - Bug #4359 (Closed): Missing toyland train engines XzephyrisX @
21:46:56  <Brot6> Makefile for NewGRFs: Common part - Revision 30:ae5a5e8bacdc: Codechange: Move option processing to ... XAlberthX @
21:47:00  <Brot6> Makefile for NewGRFs: Common part - Revision 27:7cea2a2036f7: Codechange: Make the usage text a cons... XAlberthX @
21:47:04  <Brot6> Makefile for NewGRFs: Common part - Revision 29:fb96bc494472: Codechange: Move option names to CmdLi... XAlberthX @
21:47:08  <Brot6> Makefile for NewGRFs: Common part - Revision 33:6ebe9416d7d4: Codechange: Output language name witho... XAlberthX @
21:47:12  <Brot6> Makefile for NewGRFs: Common part - Revision 34:8c6aee281eef: Feature(closes #4393 ): Link to curren... XAlberthX @
21:47:18  <Brot6> Makefile for NewGRFs: Common part - Revision 35:82eaa56f60e7: Update: Updated to version 2.3 and add... XAlberthX @
21:47:22  <Brot6> Makefile for NewGRFs: Common part - Revision 36:b60e74b82bc9: Fix: Compute path of the translation r... XAlberthX @
21:47:26  <Brot6> Makefile for NewGRFs: Common part - Feature Request #4389 (Closed): nml_checklanguage script should ... XAlberthX @
21:47:29  <Brot6> Makefile for NewGRFs: Common part - Feature Request #4393 (Closed): link to language source file XAlberthX @
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