Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 24th December 2012:
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10:09:41  <V453000> may I ask for renaming ur-trains to nuts please? :)
10:10:32  <V453000> Ammler? :)
10:12:26  <Ammler> he, I wanted to, I don't have access to the mysql backend anymore
10:14:40  <V453000> who does? :)
10:16:12  <Ammler> setting up
10:16:47  <V453000> oooh :)
10:21:38  <Ammler> btw. do we update the grfpack with mb grfs or ignore those?
10:24:03  <V453000> i wondered too... they are amazing newgrfs. mb wont change so i guess ignoring them doesnt lead anywhere for us
10:24:48  <planetmaker> moin :-)
10:25:02  <planetmaker> still I'll not support making extra support for people who refuse to give support
10:25:18  <planetmaker> it's their choice to be ignored imho
10:26:16  <V453000> i know, but mb wont know that
10:26:34  <planetmaker> I know. But why would I care?
10:26:42  <V453000> and his newgrfs are good, would be a shame not to use them
10:27:00  <planetmaker> yes. Obviously he doesn't want us to use them, though
10:27:09  <planetmaker> So, really, no
10:27:36  <planetmaker> There is a solution which everyone can use without hassle.
10:27:49  <planetmaker> And it's not like I need to kiss his ass
10:28:06  <V453000> yes ofci totally dont agree with his approach
10:28:58  <Ammler> well, afaik also if he would like to upload his newgrfs, he can't. Rubi banned him
10:29:26  <planetmaker> Ammler, he would just have to say a word
10:29:27  <V453000> what?
10:29:53  <planetmaker> the illegally uploaded grfs are of course banned. Which would need unbanning as nearly every of his grfs has been uploaded illegally so far
10:30:31  <V453000> with all this wtf going on i doubt he will come to kissyour ass either to get unbanned
10:30:42  <planetmaker> V453000, *he* is not banned
10:30:49  <Ammler> his newgrfs are
10:30:55  <planetmaker> But he *asked* us to remove *his* grfs which *others* uploaded
10:31:26  <V453000> hm
10:31:34  <V453000> i see
10:31:41  <planetmaker> *HE* filed a take-down notice to ALL of our mirrors
10:31:50  <planetmaker> so no. Really, no
10:32:18  <planetmaker> I withdraw support for the server, if we update the grfpack with his newgrfs
10:32:29  <Ammler> well, if "someone" would like to update the grfpack, I would not mind, we just might not do it ourself. :-)
10:32:37  <planetmaker> and I mean our root server
10:32:40  <V453000> i cant say i care about him,just his newgrfs
10:33:21  <planetmaker> He tried to shut down OpenTTD the hard way. Legally
10:33:25  <planetmaker> So really, no
10:33:34  <Ammler> oh :-o
10:33:38  <Ammler> ok didn't knw
10:33:41  <V453000> how?
10:33:43  <planetmaker> digital millenium take down notice
10:33:48  <planetmaker> to all mirrors. As said
10:33:55  <planetmaker> as *some* asshole uploaded his newgrf
10:34:03  <planetmaker> and we didn't respond within 12 hours
10:34:14  <planetmaker> during a night or so
10:34:25  <planetmaker> which is *less* than even US laws allow for response
10:34:30  <Ammler> hehe, like he is that fast :-)
10:34:35  <planetmaker> exactly
10:36:21  <Ammler> well, the strange thing is, his "license" would allow distributing it via bananas, also uploaded by someone else
10:36:23  <planetmaker> Thus, either he is welcome to use bananas. But I will not give additional support with *my* money
10:36:25  <V453000> :d wow
10:36:48  <V453000> ok i agree
10:37:44  <Ammler> so again, you as the official openttd guys made it wrong
10:38:01  <planetmaker> we made it wrong?
10:38:47  <Ammler> you did notghiing illegal, you should not have to knee on his blames
10:38:54  <planetmaker> exactly.
10:39:06  <Ammler> but you did, like you did with SAC
10:39:13  <planetmaker> But providers are obliged to react within 48 hours, if the take-down notice is not responded to
10:39:47  <planetmaker> and you have to *prove* that you took all reasonable means to be right. Not the one who carelessly sends out take-down notices
10:40:27  <Ammler> so if ISP is in doubt, they simply shutdown it?
10:40:49  <planetmaker> yes. They need. By law
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10:41:03  <planetmaker> Or *they* would be eligible to pay copyright compensation
10:41:52  <Ammler> well, but they would inform you first and give you time, right?
10:41:55  <planetmaker> that's the totally fucked-up copyright laws
10:42:17  <planetmaker> one doesn't have to prove to be copyright holder. One can just claim. Then first shut-down. Then things will be looked at. Then maybe you get online again
10:42:23  <planetmaker> Ammler, no
10:42:32  <planetmaker> Not necessarily
10:42:55  <Ammler> ok, like google did with openttd app
10:42:58  <planetmaker> exactly
10:43:33  <planetmaker> back in an hour... just forgot something in store :S
10:44:35  <V453000> cya :)
10:45:49  <V453000> Ammler: in what mood is the mysql? :)
11:19:57  <Ammler> V453000: up
11:20:17  <Ammler> I need to setup the redirect for the old id
11:24:18  <V453000> is the old id needed? i am just fine with having one project :p
11:24:37  <V453000> ur-trains can go
11:24:55  <Ammler> it is gone
11:25:22  <Ammler> I just have setup a forward, that was no big deal :-P
11:25:32  <Ammler> setup mysql access was the hard part :-)
11:26:19  <V453000> :))) thanks!
11:26:32  <Ammler> so then, I wish you a nice christmas If I am not back again :-)
11:28:41  <V453000> same to you :) And thanks for your present :P I might have presents after the new year in form of severe nuttage
11:59:31  <planetmaker> bah... really full stores :D And just in time. But now... there can be pears with hot chocolate :D
12:01:09  <V453000> I dont even dare going to shops :D
12:01:27  <planetmaker> rightfully :D
12:02:46  <V453000> even during the last week it was bad,but not just traffic-wise. especially terrible was how everybody was stressed, angry and rather agresive. Christmas days of peace my ass
12:04:32  <planetmaker> tell me about it, yes :D But it was the only week I could get Christmas presents :S
12:04:47  <V453000> exactly
12:05:13  <V453000> I was done within like 2 hours or less luckily
12:06:09  <planetmaker> :-)
12:12:41  <planetmaker> Ammler, I cannot reproduce locally the OpenGFX error.
12:13:06  <planetmaker> oh, or was that r996?
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12:38:52  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Revision 997:4ab4f67066bf: Change: Update man png files which are re-generated differently XplanetmakerX @
12:38:52  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Revision 998:4066fc4b5b16: Doc: Update changelog XplanetmakerX @
12:42:40  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Revision 999:ab257eb33ef8: Added tag 0.4.6 for changeset 4066fc4b5b16 XplanetmakerX @
12:42:40  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Bug #4703 (New): DevZone compile failed XcompilerX @
12:43:23  <planetmaker> oh, how fantastic
12:43:27  <planetmaker> Ammler, ^
12:43:36  <planetmaker> Ammler, #4703 seems like you could solve it
12:48:16  <Brot6> opengfx: compile of r999 still failed (#4628) -
12:50:02  <planetmaker> hm. and #4628 is for ammler, too, I guess. Though I thought it was fixed?
16:20:55  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 3295:6431b00d9680: Fix: set cargo_multiplier property corre... XandythenorthX @
16:20:55  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 3296:ecab3e3c0c9d: Docs: update changelog preparatory to 0.... XandythenorthX @
16:22:16  <Brot6> firs: update from r3293 to r3296 done -
16:27:35  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 3297:eb2f7ac1aa60: Added tag 0.8.1 for changeset ecab3e3c0c... XandythenorthX @
16:28:12  <Brot6> firs: update from 0.8.0 to 0.8.1 done -
16:57:38  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Bug #4703: DevZone compile failed XplanetmakerX @
16:58:36  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Bug #4628 (Rejected): DevZone compile failed XcompilerX @
16:58:36  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Bug #4628 (Rejected): DevZone compile failed XplanetmakerX @
17:16:39  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Revision 1000:ce5503200c64: Doc: Update changelog XplanetmakerX @
17:22:43  <Brot6> opengfx: compile of r1000 still failed (#4628) -
17:24:49  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 3298:034742266bdb: Docs: update changelog for 0.8.2 release XandythenorthX @
17:25:55  <Brot6> firs: update from r3296 to r3298 done -
17:30:57  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 3299:df943749d11f: Added tag 0.8.2 for changeset 034742266b... XandythenorthX @
17:31:50  <Brot6> firs: update from 0.8.1 to 0.8.2 done -
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