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07:26:01 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 08:34:08 <andythenorth> redmine down : 08:34:12 <andythenorth> ;) 09:02:16 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 10:19:30 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 10:57:17 <Ammler> not down, but full 10:57:24 <Ammler> I really miss the monitoring :-( 11:01:08 <Ammler> andythenorth: sorry for the delay, please highlight next time 11:01:43 <Ammler> something is spamming our server, I need to check what that could be 11:01:53 <Ammler> we have around a incrase of 10G per month 11:05:39 <andythenorth> Ammler: thanks :) 11:05:46 <andythenorth> I don't know who best to highlight atm 11:05:53 <andythenorth> you? spike? 11:10:43 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #4877 (Closed): Fishing Harbour construction stage is silly XandythenorthX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4877#change-13667 11:34:18 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #5237 (Closed): Industry Construction Costs are way too high XandythenorthX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/5237 11:34:18 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #5237 (Closed): Industry Construction Costs are way too high XandythenorthX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/5237#change-13670 11:46:51 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 3438:cb8aa45e9e14: Change: Port uses override of default co... XandythenorthX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/cb8aa45e9e14 11:46:51 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 3439:73dd0c50a3b1: Feature: construction state sprites for ... XandythenorthX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/73dd0c50a3b1 11:46:51 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 3440:b1ba90306ac5: Change: adjust base construction costs, ... XandythenorthX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/b1ba90306ac5 11:46:53 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 3441:6b05d1f50823: Change: adjust fund costs of town indust... XandythenorthX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/6b05d1f50823 12:03:52 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #5189 (Closed): Update Smithy Forge graphics XandythenorthX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/5189#change-13676 12:48:12 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 3442:955d30edd822: Change: updated graphics for Smithy Forg... 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And one knows the source 17:07:34 <planetmaker> thus it would be easy relatively to give eints' data a directory structure of the from data/source/lang.txt 17:07:34 <Alberth> langid has the same problem; it's the same for the same language 17:08:16 <planetmaker> of course it doesn't solve it for you, if you manually download them from different projects 17:09:11 <planetmaker> hm, so it's two issues: a) attribution to project b) determination of age (revision) 17:09:43 * Alberth doesn't understand what is being solved 17:09:48 <planetmaker> are you actually sure that it's an NML issue and not something which maybe should be solved at DevZone level, assuming the projects want to use a translation service? 17:10:08 <planetmaker> he :-) 17:10:29 <planetmaker> I try again 17:10:44 <Alberth> 5 months ago, eints did not exist 17:11:09 <planetmaker> - the convention you suggestion is IMHO not an NML issue but an issue probably better solved at DevZone level. For projects which want to participate in like eints 17:11:33 <planetmaker> - the revision imho also is not an NML thing. As using NML cannot require using any revision control 17:11:53 <planetmaker> Thus would need referring also to a service platform like DevZone 17:11:55 <Alberth> how would eints solve this? 17:12:07 <planetmaker> Indirectly :-) 17:12:32 <planetmaker> a) It knows where it gets files from (if I could for instance just supply an URL) and then it knows the time it retreived it 17:12:38 <Alberth> do you know how eints treats language files? 17:12:57 <planetmaker> b) it knows upload time anyway, even if manually uploaded, thus knows implicitly the time ordering 17:13:20 <planetmaker> I understand that it saves X versions of a language file. But... please tell me :-) 17:13:40 <Alberth> it doesn't 17:14:43 <Alberth> It eats language files for breakfast, and includes all of it in its own xml file, one xml file for every project 17:15:06 <Alberth> you can also ask for a language file, and it spits out a copy 17:15:09 <planetmaker> hm, yummi :-) Ok :-) 17:15:28 <Alberth> ie there are no language file at the disk 17:16:01 <planetmaker> ok, good. But it knows it and the related times. And could know source and does know project. 17:16:25 <planetmaker> Main background of my question basically was: is the linked issue (still) an NML issue, or can it be moved or even closed? 17:16:53 <Alberth> ah, that solves a few puzzles :) 17:17:26 <planetmaker> I'm just going through NML issues; sorry, I should have been clearer :-) 17:17:48 <Alberth> technically it's still an NML issue, as NML enforces these names 17:17:57 <planetmaker> NML enforces names? No 17:18:06 <planetmaker> you can call them how you like 17:18:18 <planetmaker> or am I totally off the track there? 17:18:43 <planetmaker> it's all defined by the langID inside the file(s) 17:19:36 <planetmaker> it doesn't even enforce the 'lang' folder. It can be changed by means of command line switch 17:20:47 <Alberth> ah, ok. So grfstrings.py line 970 is telling a lie :) 17:21:17 <planetmaker> not ;-) 17:22:57 <planetmaker> so, english.lng is enforced indeed. The other names not 17:23:37 <planetmaker> but, Alberth, check nmlc --help :-) 17:23:46 <planetmaker> and look at --default-lang=<file> :-) 17:23:51 <planetmaker> so even that allows being changed 17:24:07 <Alberth> yep, I was reading line 44 of main.py too :) 17:24:40 <Alberth> which does make 970: generic.print_warning("String commands don't match with english.lng", pos) wrong :) 17:24:52 <planetmaker> so it's just the assumption that the default string file. Yes, that's actually true :-) 17:26:16 <Alberth> right, so the issue is more about a common convention 17:29:55 <Alberth> I still think it's a NML issue, in the sense that NML could have a different convention. It is however also unlikely that NML will change that policy. 17:30:44 <Alberth> eints just provides an alternative to translating for those projects that want to use it 17:33:00 <andythenorth> Alberth: have eints ship the download in a dir? :P 17:33:08 <andythenorth> with gpl? :P 17:33:26 <Alberth> we can push it in a tar 17:33:42 <planetmaker> Alberth, so what policy should NML really apply? How would it know its default lang file name then? 17:34:11 <andythenorth> I thnk NML does it fine o_O 17:34:17 <Alberth> glob.glob("*_english.lng") ? 17:34:21 <planetmaker> assume a person who just got NML, wrote his/her first few lines and adds a lang file... 17:34:33 <planetmaker> s/he will wonder how to properly name it 17:34:57 <planetmaker> what do I do with two _english.lng where one is US, the other AU the 3rd UK? 17:35:00 <Alberth> planetmaker: it's not something that can be solved by nml itself, the tutorial would have to guide a new user 17:35:44 <Alberth> glob.glob("*_en_*.lng") :D 17:35:57 <Alberth> but imho don't bother 17:36:12 <Alberth> just close the issue as wontfix 17:37:11 <planetmaker> I see your point, and without any disrespect, indeed I'm tempted to do so 17:37:11 <Alberth> like I said last week, I tried to get nml to move towards more sanity in language file handling, and failed miserably :) 17:42:20 <planetmaker> hm :-) 17:42:27 <planetmaker> or rather hm :-( 17:43:20 <Alberth> why? 17:43:38 <planetmaker> more sanity usually is nice, no? 17:44:16 <Alberth> it is, the only point is perhaps how far can you get 17:44:33 <planetmaker> yes 17:44:33 <Brot6> FISH - Revision 1011:941b49d33f3d: Fix: Endeavour Utility Catamaran missing spriterow (closes #4721) XandythenorthX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/941b49d33f3d 17:44:33 <Brot6> FISH - Bug #4721 (Closed): kwangtong tug missing some spriterows XandythenorthX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4721#change-13688 17:44:49 <Alberth> Y3xo was under the impression that it was useless compared to a WT-ish solution 17:45:08 <planetmaker> I tend to agree there 17:45:46 <planetmaker> not useless. But... at least partly adding problems in other places. Like making the author use specific names 17:46:02 <planetmaker> while currently "only" the transators need to take care to know which file they edit 17:47:18 <Alberth> but you have a lot of those :) 17:47:25 <andythenorth> hmm :) 17:47:33 <andythenorth> what's the end goal with eints? 17:47:40 * andythenorth is thinking 17:47:43 <Alberth> take over the world 17:47:49 <planetmaker> yes-ish. But making it easy for authors is also an important goal 17:48:02 <andythenorth> with eints, how often will a translator ever have to see a lang file? 17:48:04 <planetmaker> Especially those which are easily deterred by overly complex setup 17:48:16 <Alberth> andythenorth: never 17:48:26 <andythenorth> ok so no problem for translators 17:48:32 <andythenorth> and how often will authors have to see a lang file? 17:48:50 <andythenorth> I am considering how we might curl or otherwise fetch the lang files with a client app 17:49:19 <andythenorth> I certainly would automate fetching lang for myself, I'm not going to browser-download them 17:49:41 <Alberth> that was the idea of eints 17:49:49 <andythenorth> I figured it might be :) 17:49:57 <Alberth> even to the point of not having any web pages :) 17:50:24 <andythenorth> brb 17:53:18 <planetmaker> Brot is silent? 17:53:25 <andythenorth> slow 17:53:50 <planetmaker> hm... also devzone doesn't know it. strange 17:53:52 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Feature Request #4311 (Closed): Use more unique language file names XplanetmakerX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4311#change-13691 17:54:11 <planetmaker> slow 17:56:48 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 18:44:16 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 2065:65e887114349: Fix (r1048): Give the expected default lang file ... XplanetmakerX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/65e887114349 18:48:10 <Alberth> planetmaker: it works better with % 18:49:14 <planetmaker> hm, really? 18:50:07 <planetmaker> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/2143/ 18:50:28 <planetmaker> and without it worked for me. Granted... it's a bit stabbing in the dark :D 18:51:18 <Alberth> remove the first , (in front of %) 18:51:20 *** frosch123 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:51:45 <Alberth> ie str % param or str % (param1, param2, ...) 18:52:39 <planetmaker> oh, gah, bah :-) 18:52:41 <planetmaker> thanks 18:53:15 <Alberth> http://codepad.org/ICYbExAc 18:53:16 <Webster> Title: Python code - 6 lines - codepad (at codepad.org) 18:53:53 <Alberth> hi frosch 18:54:19 <frosch123> moin :) 18:55:31 <planetmaker> quak :-) 19:15:24 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:44:33 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 2066:b8b4568b4666: Fix (r2065): Syntax error... or language mixup XplanetmakerX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/b8b4568b4666 19:58:52 *** Supercheese has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:30:29 <andythenorth> herp 20:30:36 <andythenorth> FIRS 1.0 for April 1st? 20:30:42 <Supercheese> Hehehe 20:32:23 <frosch123> firs 2.0 on april 2nd? 20:33:02 <Supercheese> Switch to a logarithmic scale for release numbering 20:47:26 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 21:19:28 <Brot6> FISH - Feature #5252 (New): All ships need purchase costs set XandythenorthX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/5252 21:20:31 *** ODM has quit IRC 21:28:27 *** LordAro has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:44:23 <Brot6> FISH - Revision 1012:7603a2062ce1: Change: switcheroo of stats and such for Altamira freighter XandythenorthX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/7603a2062ce1 21:44:23 <Brot6> FISH - Revision 1013:63811cb6f4ec: Fix: Cape Spear Trawler had mail and freight capacities reversed XandythenorthX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/63811cb6f4ec 21:56:47 *** Alberth has left #openttdcoop.devzone 22:35:52 *** LordAro has quit IRC 22:44:25 <Brot6> FISH - Revision 1014:f3b9be85faff: Change: set speed and capacity properties for pax ships XandythenorthX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/f3b9be85faff 22:44:25 <Brot6> FISH - Revision 1015:92f3303e800e: Change: adjust river speed fraction down XandythenorthX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/92f3303e800e 22:44:25 <Brot6> FISH - Revision 1016:6b70785f24cc: Change: set / adjust capacity and speed props for multiple GCVs, ... 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