Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 7th July 2013:
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06:47:08  <Rubidium> gooooood morning andythenorth
06:47:15  <andythenorth> bonjour
06:56:38  <andythenorth> ugh
06:56:43  <andythenorth> I broke my FIRS build :P
06:57:08  <andythenorth> accidentally ran 'make install' for nml
06:57:52  <andythenorth> fixed :)
06:57:58  <andythenorth> that was briefly confusing :o
07:15:01  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 3734:bf56dc4a2e77: Codechange: adjust a comment for accurac... XandythenorthX @
07:15:01  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 3735:7fb9ea4c4db8: Codechange: abstract how industries get ... XandythenorthX @
07:18:06  <Supercheese> The sugar refinery is very hard to see on the map, green-on-green
07:18:14  <andythenorth> +1
07:18:19  <andythenorth> purple map? o_O
07:18:34  <andythenorth> sometimes it would be nice to specify a 1px alt-border on industries
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07:18:39  <Brot6> firs: update from r3733 to r3735 done (30 warnings) -
07:18:45  <andythenorth> there are limited viable colour combinations for minimap
07:18:52  <Alberth> o/
07:18:53  <Supercheese> well, the neat highlight-when-hover feature is nice
07:19:00  <Supercheese> blinks white
07:19:07  <Supercheese> makes it much easier to see
07:19:12  <andythenorth> hi Alberth
07:19:18  <Alberth> Supercheese: frosch should be blamed for that :)
07:19:37  <Supercheese> if by blamed you mean praised ;)
07:19:55  <Alberth> praise is just negative blame :p
07:20:28  <Alberth> hmm, I should be less negative at such a nice day :)
07:23:44  <andythenorth> :)
07:28:43  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 3736:e54113272682: Codechange: stub in a bit more support f... XandythenorthX @
07:29:17  <andythenorth> bbl
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09:58:12  <Brot6> Industrial Stations Renewal - Revision 215:90205ba95de9: Codechange: Improve comments and code layou... Xmart3pX @
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12:44:21  <Alberth> hi hi , I answered some of the questions that popped up in the firs thread, I hope you don't mind :)
12:52:19  * andythenorth is happy with that :)
12:52:26  <andythenorth> nice to have someone else on side
12:54:59  <Brot6> xussrset: update from r1035 to r1036 done (4 warnings) -
12:55:27  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 3737:60ff2ad0c110: Codechange: magic code to handle SGBT / ... XandythenorthX @
12:57:29  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #6158 (New): Coffee is missing the short form (STR_CID_COFFEE) XandythenorthX @
12:58:25  <Brot6> firs: update from r3736 to r3737 done (30 warnings) -
12:59:05  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #6005 (Closed): Docs - Arable Farm should also show Sugarcane as... XandythenorthX @
12:59:05  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 3738:0e3e872b8d01: Codechange: set SGCN as well as SGBT at ... XandythenorthX @
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14:55:28  <Brot6> Industrial Stations Renewal - Revision 216:557da0e68af0: Feature: [FIRS] Add sugar and coffee cargos Xmart3pX @
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15:15:17  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #6158 (Closed): Coffee is missing the short form (STR_CID_COFFEE... XandythenorthX @
15:15:17  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 3739:9326c6779448: Fix: set CF as short form string for Cof... XandythenorthX @
15:15:17  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #6158 (Closed): Coffee is missing the short form (STR_CID_COFFEE... XandythenorthX @
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15:57:10  <Brot6> Industrial Stations Renewal - Revision 217:023d97e32f27: Feature: Add sugar and coffee to goods stat... Xmart3pX @
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17:19:21  <Brot6> xussrset: update from r1033 to r1037 done (4 warnings) -
17:23:24  <Brot6> firs: update from r3733 to r3739 done (30 warnings) -
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18:01:11  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 3740:ec32be86f1eb: Update: Dutch language XAlberthX @
18:04:03  <Brot6> firs: update from r3739 to r3740 done (30 warnings) -
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18:35:47  * Alberth added the coffee string to the dutch language
18:35:57  <andythenorth> apparently I missed a tennis match
18:38:34  <andythenorth> Alberth: some of the other strings might be missing
18:38:49  <andythenorth> I never paid attention to those short IDs before
18:38:54  <andythenorth> they're kind of silly imho
18:39:26  <Alberth> no idea where they are used
18:39:43  <andythenorth> station list
18:39:43  <Alberth> perhaps in the station overview?
18:39:51  <andythenorth> not sure if used anywhere else at all
18:40:07  <andythenorth> I see they have to exist, but...they're kind of meh
18:40:23  <andythenorth> I can't relate the 2 chars to the cargo names, and there's no tooltip afaict
18:40:31  <andythenorth> that view might be better rewritten :P
18:40:32  <Alberth> use "ST" (stuff) for all :)
18:40:46  <andythenorth> :)
18:41:22  <Alberth> hmm, I have little problems with that,mostly because I know what stations are transporting
18:41:37  <Alberth> I should find a good naming strategy for stations though
18:41:57  <frosch123> i never use the station list
18:42:01  <Alberth> the overview window is nice for seeing where you have a problem
18:42:07  <frosch123> sometimes i group vehicles, but only sometimes
18:42:23  <Alberth> I never group them :)
18:42:26  <frosch123> i use the industry list for that
18:42:39  <frosch123> sort the industry list by percentage transported
18:42:55  * andythenorth plays "guess the cargos"
18:43:09  <Alberth> doesn't help with feeder systems :)
18:43:24  <andythenorth> wonder what CL is?
18:43:30  <frosch123> clay
18:43:40  <frosch123> coal?
18:44:00  <andythenorth> probably a bug in FIRS, might be the correct answer
18:44:08  <frosch123> Alberth: i have a suggestion for the industry chains view
18:44:17  <Alberth> oh dear :)
18:44:26  <andythenorth> it's much easier to use the station overview when the cargo payment chart is also open :P
18:44:28  <frosch123> if there are multiple industries i always have to scroll to the cargo name to see what is what
18:44:30  <andythenorth> it provides a handy colour key :P
18:44:41  <frosch123> how about to draw the abbreviation at every industry box?
18:44:45  <Alberth> (08:44:05 PM) andythenorth: I can't relate the 2 chars to the cargo names, and there's no tooltip afaict   <- andy has a suggestion too
18:44:57  * andythenorth wonders if station overview needs a key
18:45:06  <andythenorth> a key is usually a sign of a bad design, not always
18:45:28  <Alberth> frosch123: can be useful
18:45:34  <frosch123> andythenorth: i am all for string filters in all lists
18:45:59  <frosch123> want to see stations transporting coal, just type coal
18:46:10  <frosch123> instead of searching a row of 27 silly icons to find the coal
18:46:25  <frosch123> kids also learn spelling that way :p
18:46:36  <frosch123> and we spol touchscreens
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18:47:14  <andythenorth> wifi dropout :o how rude
18:47:27  <frosch123> did you get my rant? :p
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18:47:54  <andythenorth> not so much
18:47:56  <andythenorth> was it good?
18:48:00  <Alberth> isn't the channel logged? :)
18:48:07  <frosch123> it is
18:48:09  <frosch123> @locs
18:48:11  <frosch123> @logs
18:48:12  <Webster> #openttdcoop IRC webstuff - IRC Log Viewer -
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18:49:15  <andythenorth> frosch123: nice rant
18:49:33  <andythenorth> text filtering 'won' quite some years ago imo
18:49:46  <andythenorth> I think it was mostly just waiting for things to be fast enough
18:50:07  <Alberth> frosch123: with "abbreviation in your suggestion" you mean the silly two-letter cargo names, right?
18:50:26  <frosch123> yup :)
18:50:27  <Alberth> hmm, " are wrong there :)
18:51:35  <frosch123> oh, the industry chains actually have a tooltip there
18:51:39  <Alberth> well, step 2 done, I wrote the suggestion at a piece of paper :)
18:52:08  <Alberth> mv paper /dev/null ?
18:52:09  <andythenorth> it's quaint, we have cargo name, icon, colour, and abbreviation
18:52:36  <Alberth> not to mention units of the stuff in various forms :)
18:52:43  <andythenorth> oh that's ok :)
18:54:26  <andythenorth> more the merrier :P
18:54:48  <andythenorth> all this stuff in no way makes newgrf cargos insanely bureaucratic and prone to bugs :)
18:56:06  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 3741:e78b7328187d: Fix: Diamonds cargo had wrong abbreviati... XandythenorthX @
18:57:31  <Alberth> nml doesn't help you?
18:58:15  <andythenorth> only in the respect of making compiles really slow so testing is hard :)
18:58:24  <andythenorth> no nml doesn't help much :)
18:58:58  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 3742:90d1f35d7634: Codechange: use nml constants instead of... XandythenorthX @
18:59:14  <andythenorth> to be fair, I can use 'make install TEST_INDUSTRY=NONE' and get < 10s FIRS compile
18:59:19  <Brot6> firs: update from r3740 to r3741 done (30 warnings) -
18:59:48  <Alberth> you're just hopelessly spoiled :p
19:02:38  <Brot6> firs: update from r3741 to r3742 done (30 warnings) -
19:08:39  <Alberth> why does xussr set use russian as translation?
19:09:36  <frosch123> because it is a russian set?
19:21:15  <Alberth> hmm, yeah, but I somewhat expected it to use russian as base language, the website they refer to is also russian
19:21:16  <Webster> Title: TTD Russia Главная страница (at
19:32:20  * andythenorth is sat in the garden watching the hose water plants 
19:32:21  <andythenorth> 31'
19:33:55  <frosch123> what do you want with 31 feet?
19:33:59  <frosch123> shoes only come in pairs
19:38:05  <andythenorth> there's probably a deg symbol in unicode somewhere :P
19:38:07  <andythenorth> maybe even in ascii
19:38:14  <andythenorth> this hose is only 31 feet
19:38:17  <andythenorth> I need about 60
19:39:06  <frosch123> ° <- that one
19:39:10  <frosch123> ?
19:39:21  <frosch123> it's regulary on my keyboard
19:42:00  <andythenorth> :)
19:42:07  <andythenorth> it's probably here somewhere
19:46:05  <frosch123> i am sure your keyboard has at least 6 useless keys which you can map to more useful stuff
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20:11:24  <Brot6> Backup firs: abort: no suitable response from remote hg!
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