Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 16th August 2013:
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00:15:42  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature Request #6143: Nearby station names for more industries XSupercheeseX @
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06:15:13  <dihedral> TWerkhoven, i saw in your readme that you need to handle rcon command replies
06:15:28  <dihedral> perhaps the way i implemented it can be of help?
06:16:45  <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Bug #5954: Hccmqqr capacity fix Xjuzza1X @
06:17:02  <dihedral> TWerkhoven,
06:19:31  <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Feature #5756: UIC axle scheme, service class, prime mover, transmission type, lo... Xjuzza1X @
06:49:53  <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Feature #5936: M100 metro Xjuzza1X @
06:54:01  <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Feature #6098 (Resolved): Cargo classes Xjuzza1X @
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07:06:40  <Brot6> feed NewGRFs had 11 updates, showing the latest 10
07:06:40  <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Revision 206:0a49a6d6e239: Fix: Dm8/9 service class description fixed (was only a... Xjuzza1X @
07:06:40  <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Revision 207:f6ab74378863: Fix: Nom doors removed (closes #6071) Xjuzza1X @
07:06:40  <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Revision 208:29ff42ca4414: Fix: No recolored (closes #6095) Xjuzza1X @
07:06:44  <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Revision 209:cd9f840ed960: Fix: Eip cost lowered Xjuzza1X @
07:06:47  <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Bug #6059 (Closed): Dm8 and Dm9 services mixed Xjuzza1X @
07:06:50  <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Bug #6071 (Closed): Nom sprites to be changed to fixed ones Xjuzza1X @
07:06:53  <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Bug #6095 (Closed): No recoloring Xjuzza1X @
07:06:56  <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Bug #5954 (Closed): Hccmqqr capacity fix Xjuzza1X @
07:06:59  <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Revision 210:3ae2f0c9a7ff: Fix: Hccmqqr vehicle refit and capacity fixed (closes ... Xjuzza1X @
07:07:07  <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Revision 211:02a1082d1330: Fix: Metro and 3rd rail railtypes added for M100 metro... Xjuzza1X @
07:08:45  <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Feature #6098 (Resolved): Cargo classes Xjuzza1X @
07:12:38  <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Feature #5957 (Assigned): Wagon changes Xjuzza1X @
07:20:27  <dihedral> why is someone still committing to it, if it is already finnished?
07:23:19  <Rubidium> because they still haven't fixed the typo?
07:26:21  <dihedral> :-D
07:26:26  <juzza1> HE HE :D
07:26:49  <juzza1> long-standing bug
07:27:05  <dihedral> before there even was any source
07:27:10  <TWerkhoven> is anything ever really finished?
07:27:18  <dihedral> oh he is there
07:27:28  <dihedral> hello TWerkhoven
07:27:34  <TWerkhoven> mornin
07:27:44  <dihedral> i was looking at your readme file
07:27:51  <dihedral> regarding that ^ backlog? :-P
07:28:43  <TWerkhoven> :)
07:29:35  <TWerkhoven> *reads*
07:31:19  <dihedral>
07:31:53  <dihedral> TWerkhoven, ^ as of line 61 is how the callback is then processed, starting at line 48 is the registration of the callback
07:32:44  <TWerkhoven> and it responds in channel or query depending on how the rcon command was executed?
07:33:08  <dihedral> that is defined in the CommandContext class
07:33:23  <dihedral> that class has a 'reply' method
07:33:38  <dihedral> which decides based on a flag PUBLIC or PRIVATE where the message is sent to
07:34:15  <dihedral> as the CommandContext is stored with the Callback, the same context is used when the rcon data is received and to be processed
07:34:38  <TWerkhoven> i should be able to do something similar
07:35:06  <dihedral> should not be that difficult, it just was the best way i could think of to handle that async part
07:46:39  * TWerkhoven poors some coffee
07:46:42  <TWerkhoven> anyone else want some?
08:14:19  <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Revision 212:f4a629075e5c: Fix: Old sprites with unused names removed Xjuzza1X @
08:14:19  <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Feature #6056 (Closed): Ein/Eip/Eipt sprites ready to be coded, Eit sprite naming... Xjuzza1X @
08:14:19  <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Feature #6092 (Closed): Pot and Fots sprites Xjuzza1X @
08:14:19  <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Revision 213:dc0f0fddf8de: Fix: Ein/Eip/Eipt/Eit separation, new sprites (closes ... Xjuzza1X @
08:14:23  <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Revision 214:ed70b5eda91c: Feature: Fots and Pot new and separate sprites (closes... Xjuzza1X @
08:14:29  <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Revision 215:3ccd5f028d2e: Feature: Hkb steel sprites (#closes 6119) Xjuzza1X @
08:17:51  <dihedral> lies!
08:36:18  <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Revision 216:1364d36b668a: Fix: Eita seal head Xjuzza1X @
09:38:13  <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Feature #5639 (Closed): Efs, Rbkt Xjuzza1X @
09:38:13  <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Feature #5777: More coaches (long-term scheme) Xjuzza1X @
09:38:13  <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Revision 217:cce14691e5f1: Feature: CEit, Rbkt, Efit refit (closes #5639) (#5777) Xjuzza1X @
09:40:32  <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Feature #6119 (Closed): Hkb steel sprites Xjuzza1X @
09:46:19  <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Feature #5777 (Assigned): More coaches (long-term scheme) Xkyosuke1989X @
09:58:22  <Brot6> Grapes - Revision 192:ca1680819b6b: Change: automatically clear a buffer after a default of 180 seco... XdihX @
09:58:42  <dihedral> in my eyes the message buffer is compete :-)
10:00:12  <dihedral> if i am not mistaken, TWerkhoven, such a feature already is available for suppybot
10:01:50  <TWerkhoven> may well be
10:02:00  <TWerkhoven> plugins are already (callbacks.Plugin)
10:02:42  <TWerkhoven> i just need to read up on callbacks in general
10:03:12  <TWerkhoven> its my first programming work since leaving school over 10 years ago
10:03:43  <dihedral> hehe
10:03:48  <dihedral> not bad for that at all :-)
10:04:12  <TWerkhoven> first in python alltogether
10:04:58  <TWerkhoven> i figured it'd be a good project to get back into it
10:07:56  <TWerkhoven> reading xaroth's code helped a lot
10:22:08  <Brot6> Polish PKP Set 2.0 - Revision 19:31b17398d77a: New ZOOM X2 graphics for wagons: Kdt, Wddo, Gags. Cor... XTadeuszDX @
10:24:24  <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Feature #5438: Sound effect modification Xkyosuke1989X @
10:25:13  <^Spike^> letś see... are there any builds done...
10:43:31  <dihedral> ^Spike^, mine are :-P
10:44:38  <^Spike^> did they also work aka get on bundles? ;)
10:49:00  <^Spike^> that's what i'm mostly interested in... :)
10:49:07  <^Spike^> as i want to know bundles works nice and fast :D
10:59:12  <planetmaker> dihedral, did you ever use Jenkins with mercurial and a repo which uses branches?
10:59:13  <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Revision 218:0b67afd5f182: Feature: Dr13 better sounds (#5438) Xjuzza1X @
10:59:13  <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Revision 219:f8495313238c: Feature: Fot coach added Xjuzza1X @
11:03:34  <dihedral> planetmaker, nope
11:03:50  <dihedral> do you want to give it a try - i'll gladly give you access
11:04:02  <dihedral> however it is hudson i use, not jenkins :-P
11:04:46  <planetmaker> I've a running jenkins install, thanks
11:04:57  <planetmaker> but it treats hg revisions very badly
11:05:47  <dihedral> iirc, there is a difference in jenkins and hudson
11:05:59  <dihedral> i do not know if it could make a difference on that though
11:06:49  <planetmaker> well, don't worry, if you haven't toyed with it. Unlikely. HG is supported by means of plugin anyway
11:07:11  <dihedral> which does not mean much for hudson/ jenkins actually
11:07:15  <dihedral> the plugin implementation is amazing
11:07:28  <dihedral> you could even get jenkins connect to openttd if you really wanted to :-P
11:09:22  <planetmaker> :-)
11:11:43  <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Revision 220:ab1836003c85: Fix: Fot and Fots passenger capacities lowered Xjuzza1X @
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11:29:01  <Brot6> DACh - Narrow Gauge - Feature #5396: NG sprites XVoyager1X @
11:42:08  <^Spike^> well dihedral you see jenkins as THE CI solution.. or are other viable aswell? :)
11:42:18  <^Spike^> jenkins/hudson that is
11:42:21  <^Spike^> as they are both sort of the same
11:44:45  <planetmaker> except oracle taint :-P
11:45:50  <^Spike^> .... :)
11:46:51  <^Spike^> what's that
11:47:30  <planetmaker> LibreOffice was branched. Jenkins was branched. MariaDB was branched,... due to Oracle being a §$%"! about the project which they then owned the name after taking over Sun
11:47:52  <^Spike^> ah... :D
11:47:58  <^Spike^> yeah i read why jenkins forked :)
11:48:15  <^Spike^> and now hudson is under the Apache flag... only the project is sort of dead
11:48:24  <planetmaker> and I read that activity Jenkins:Hudson is like 10:1 now :-)
11:48:42  <^Spike^> :)
11:48:47  <planetmaker> they did so with the OpenOffice, too. yes
11:49:40  <planetmaker> we'll see how it works with java. and solaris :-)
11:49:51  <planetmaker> and whatever stuff they also aquired
11:50:17  <planetmaker> funnily enough VirtualBox still exists :-P
11:51:46  <^Spike^> because oracle doesn't have a replacement of it's own
11:51:48  <^Spike^> :)
11:53:03  <planetmaker> yeah. And they can actually sell solutions which contain it
11:53:15  <^Spike^> :)
12:36:16  <dihedral> ^Spike^, i had a close look at about 6 CI solutions
12:36:55  <^Spike^> and... :)
12:36:59  <dihedral> you could try to get hold of bamboo, but from my perspective, hudson / jenkins is the way to go until i meet a limitation
12:37:28  <dihedral> the resolution (back then) was, that hudson (as there was no jenkins) was the way to go
13:16:07  <planetmaker> hmpf... pkg_resources.VersionConflict: (setuptools 0.6c11 (/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages), Requirement.parse('setuptools>=0.7'))
13:17:45  <planetmaker> I wonder why debian hasn't the newer one :D
13:18:00  <planetmaker> in stable
13:21:04  <dihedral> i am so happy i can create and distribute bundles
13:21:24  <dihedral> and, mvn package, will in fact fetch all dependencies in the required versions :-)
13:30:42  <planetmaker> yes... if it's all java
13:31:51  <planetmaker> or so the documentation at least seems to suggest
14:02:06  <dihedral> :-)
14:07:45  <^Spike^> :)
14:07:57  <^Spike^> i don't know if you can use maven for non-java projects :)
14:08:00  <^Spike^> never looked into that :D
14:09:37  <planetmaker> maybe one can. But it would look like using a clamp as a hammer. or so
14:11:22  <^Spike^> :D
14:13:43  <planetmaker> but I'll be happy to be taught otherwise
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16:14:30  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 3787:481b6d54a614: Update: German language (lugo) XAlberthX @
16:14:30  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 3788:ec14d507fd71: Update: German.lng (Jogio) XAlberthX @
16:14:30  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 3789:ec9c29c597a9: Update: French language (arikover) XAlberthX @
16:14:32  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 3790:8dc67242ec5a: Update Italian translation (Snail) XAlberthX @
16:19:26  <Brot6> firs: update from r3782 to r3790 done (26 warnings) -
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16:26:23  <Alberth> o/
16:26:55  <frosch123> :o
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17:05:11  <^Spike^> ....
17:09:56  * ^Spike^ is happy bulding still works
17:10:12  <^Spike^> building*
17:12:24  <Terkhen> judging from that commit log, now should be a good time to update the spanish translation of FIRS, right? :)
17:15:17  <^Spike^> ... :)
17:16:52  <^Spike^> i more was happy that it worked :)
17:17:42  <Terkhen> STR_PARAM_VALUE_ECONOMIES_MISTAH_KURTZ: Heart of Darkness <--- what is this thing :O
17:19:05  <Brot6> firs: compile of r3782 failed -
17:19:09  <Brot6> finnishtrainset: update from r204 to r220 done -
17:24:48  <Brot6> firs: update from r3786 to r3790 done (26 warnings) -
17:40:44  <frosch123> Terkhen:
17:40:45  <Webster> Title: Heart of Darkness - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at
17:43:17  <Alberth> proportional font makes the bundles pages somewhat weird to read :)
17:43:44  <Terkhen> frosch123: nice :)
17:44:17  <frosch123> Terkhen: anyway, i guess you wanted to know: it's an economy about exporting raw material, i.e the typical colonial scenario
17:49:04  <Terkhen> yes, I understood from the context of that book :P
17:49:41  <Terkhen> that economy sounds interesting... one of these days I should try to see if cargodist is enough to make the game fun for me again
17:57:35  <Brot6> ogfx-landscape: update from r228 to r232 done -
18:16:33  <Alberth> cargo transport with cargodest for many industries is quite a challenge
18:39:26  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Bug #5012: Problem with PIL in OS X XAlberthX @
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18:59:59  <Alberth> wb brot6
19:01:28  <^Spike^> hmmmm
19:01:33  <^Spike^> i'm innocent in this case
19:02:07  <Alberth> :)
19:04:14  <Alberth> ^Spike^: are you aware of the proportional font use at ?  the above ogfx-landscape nighly does not have it
19:04:23  <Alberth> *nightly
19:07:27  <^Spike^> yeah i think i know what it has to do with
19:08:22  <^Spike^> firs has a own header... that includes a certain css
19:08:53  <^Spike^> our default header doesn't include that css i just realized...
19:08:55  <Alberth> ok, I'll blame andy then :)
19:09:02  <^Spike^> but we might even change our own header...
19:09:21  <Alberth> maybe he copied an old version of the page or so
19:09:37  <^Spike^> nah.. it's bundles... if he has direct access on bundles... i'm scared :D
19:09:43  <^Spike^> and prob change all pws and ssh keys :D
19:09:51  <^Spike^> i think it was supplied to us...
19:10:01  <^Spike^> before well... basicly like now.. i'm doing it all
19:14:26  <Terkhen> hmmm... the STR_STATION_ strings in FIRS look too weird to be the names of station placed next to certain industries... what are they?
19:16:50  <Alberth> not sure what they are, I have not played the new version yet
19:18:35  <Terkhen> I'll ask andy tomorrow
19:19:14  <Alberth> I just translated them to Dutch, and did not see any complaints about the translation yet :)
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19:33:40  <Alberth> hi andy
19:33:59  <Alberth> I added some translations to firs, and Terkhen is working on another one
19:34:35  <andythenorth> \o/
19:34:44  <frosch123> Terkhen: they are meant to refer to areas where the industries could be
19:34:52  <frosch123> they shall not be overly specific
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19:58:50  <Terkhen> hi andythenorth
19:58:56  <andythenorth> hi Terkhen :)
19:59:02  <Terkhen> we were talking about those mysterious STR_STATION_ strings :)
19:59:05  <Terkhen> thanks frosch123
20:00:25  <frosch123> not andy's fault :p pm and me caused the confusion :p
20:00:46  <andythenorth> I just encouraged it :)
20:00:49  <frosch123> but for some reason we need to explain it to everyone :p
20:01:52  <andythenorth> I thought that might happen :D
20:03:06  * andythenorth likes a bit of community interaction
20:03:28  <Alberth> :)
20:07:44  <andythenorth> oops
20:09:55  <Alberth> that's a long way down :p
20:12:31  <Alberth> I never realized firs had so many translations :)
20:13:25  <Alberth> some time ago I ran a test with the Eints batch script to upload all translations, and I wondered why it took so long :p
20:13:44  <andythenorth> FIRS is quite translated :)
20:13:56  <andythenorth> I get 30 build warnings every time I build :(
20:14:01  <andythenorth> all due to outdated translations
20:14:40  <Alberth> hmm, add a --do-not-warn-me-about-outdated-translations flag?
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20:15:06  <andythenorth> I could but I haven't applied brain to problem :)
20:15:14  <andythenorth> also the translation warning is in principle good
20:15:22  <andythenorth> but there's not much I can do about it :P
20:15:38  <Alberth> yeah, it's a bit like a false positive
20:16:57  <Alberth> or don't compile translations :)
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20:22:14  <Terkhen> there are many "outdated" strings in the spanish translation that do not really need an update
20:22:24  <Terkhen> some of them have been there for two years already
20:23:27  <andythenorth> so how to mark them as 'up to date'? :o
20:23:30  <andythenorth> hmm
20:23:33  <andythenorth> we need some app for this
20:25:57  <andythenorth> hmm
20:26:09  <andythenorth> so I can delete bouys after I have set the route?
20:26:13  <andythenorth> that will save space on the map
20:27:20  <Alberth> and cost a lot of cpu time :)
20:28:03  <Alberth> some translators add or remove a space before the colon to touch the translation
20:30:03  <Terkhen> andythenorth: with pnfo I used to add fake comments to the string that I would remove in the next update
20:30:03  <Terkhen> now I know of no way other than moving the strings to other place in the lng file, and that would make things messier for me :)
20:32:18  <andythenorth> Alberth: is the app done yet? o_O
20:32:45  <Terkhen> :O
20:33:12  <Terkhen> I assumed that it wasn't finished after checking
20:34:03  <Alberth> eints looks ready to me, devzone needs some work
20:35:44  <andythenorth> is it stuff I can figure out?
20:35:56  <andythenorth> if it's server stuff, answer is likely no
20:37:36  <Alberth> db accounts, scripts that need hooking into builds to upload/download translations, redmine roles configuration, that sort of stuff
20:38:00  <andythenorth> not really what I'm good at :(
20:38:05  <Terkhen> James Watt Street <-- why does it have such an specific name for stations?
20:38:15  <frosch123> it's not specific
20:38:31  <frosch123> and you should not translate it directly
20:38:55  <frosch123> rather choose a typical spanish street name for an industrial area given the type of industry
20:39:28  <Terkhen> ok
20:39:52  <frosch123> the goal is to pick a name which somewhat resembles the industrial area
20:40:01  <Alberth> andythenorth: indeed. I tried pushing the issue forward by making batch scripts that work from the command line, but that's about all I can do
20:40:10  <frosch123> but is not specific to the industry as in "coal mine street"
20:41:33  <frosch123> i.e. it should represent a typical name of a station, as you would also encounter in spain :)
20:43:17  <andythenorth> Alberth: so has anyone offered to help with that stuff? :)
20:44:15  <Alberth> planet maker has offered help, but he is quite busy. Also spike has been busy pushing the devzone in shape
20:44:28  <Terkhen> I don't know of any spanish equivalents... I could search for them but I doubt they are known enough to justify using specific names
20:45:33  <Alberth> apparently mysql is as good as dead, and is not supported by Python 3, so devzone is switching to another db
20:46:05  <andythenorth> mysql has fewer fans these days
20:46:14  <frosch123> Terkhen: is there a steel mill, roller mill or other heavy steel industry in spain?
20:46:31  <Terkhen> no idea, I'll investigate
20:46:46  <frosch123> hmm, has spain no classic industrial age?
20:46:53  <Alberth> andythenorth: with oracle controlling the fate of mysql, that seems logical :)
20:47:39  <Terkhen> just a few mining operations and steel mills at the north, mainly done by uk investors
20:47:41  <andythenorth> oops
20:47:52  <Terkhen> not much else
20:47:53  <andythenorth> Euro Truck Simulator doesn't entirely pause when in background :P
20:47:59  <frosch123> well, i mean spain in 1900
20:48:04  <Terkhen> frosch123: me too :)
20:48:15  <Alberth> andythenorth: so you crashed? :)
20:48:24  <andythenorth> a little bit
20:48:40  <andythenorth> oh well
20:48:43  <andythenorth> at least the sun is out
20:52:29  <Alberth> good night
20:52:38  <andythenorth> bye
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21:00:32  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 3791:601084784b80: Change: cargo icon for Sugar (#6002) XandythenorthX @
21:03:08  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 3792:380f00c14ac4: Change: cargo icon for Copper Ore (#6002... XandythenorthX @
21:05:39  <Brot6> firs: update from r3790 to r3791 done (26 warnings) -
21:06:44  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 3793:4a7bac7e717b: Change: cargo icon for Rubber (#6002) XandythenorthX @
21:08:45  <andythenorth> nearly all icons done :P
21:08:54  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 3794:e7511fe2c02f: Change: cargo icon for Diamonds (#6002) XandythenorthX @
21:10:56  <Brot6> firs: update from r3791 to r3792 done (26 warnings) -
21:14:29  * andythenorth draws a terrible coffee cup
21:16:03  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 3795:964464eac039: Change: cargo icon for Coffee (#6002) XandythenorthX @
21:16:03  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #6002 (Closed): Check properties set correctly for new cargo... XandythenorthX @
21:20:49  <Brot6> firs: update from r3792 to r3795 done (27 warnings) -
21:25:30  <^Spike^> somehow.. i'm just happy this works as i hoped it would... :)
21:25:54  <andythenorth> :)
21:26:37  <^Spike^> aka doing a big bang change... and with only 1 set back work.. :)
21:27:09  <andythenorth> \o/
21:27:25  <frosch123> ^Spike^: what's the status of the whole project? :)
21:27:37  <^Spike^> ehm.... working with a clone of devzone....
21:27:44  <^Spike^> there is another big big bang incoming so... :)
21:27:58  <^Spike^> just don't know when as it needs to be tested
21:28:19  <^Spike^> just think of what we are doing as a major overhaul of ottdc on alot of areas...
21:28:30  <frosch123> so there are now two devzones, one free to mess up? :p
21:28:33  <^Spike^> without the loss of data... and trying to NOT lose data :D
21:28:40  <^Spike^> one for ME to mess up :D
21:29:09  <frosch123> aww :)
21:29:09  <^Spike^> and trying to keep interruptions low
21:29:14  <^Spike^> although i failed on that one already :D
21:33:59  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 3796:8cd4d4eaac42: Fix: number of pixel issues with recentl... XandythenorthX @
21:34:43  <^Spike^> as i killed the whole server few days ago :D
21:34:55  <^Spike^> but.... i did make sure we don't need a reboot soon for updates :D
21:39:38  <Brot6> firs: update from r3795 to r3796 done (26 warnings) -
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