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Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 27th August 2013:
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10:23:50  <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Feature #6098: Cargo classes Xkyosuke1989X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/6098#change-17075
11:04:44  <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Feature #5597: Readme and NewGRF info Xkyosuke1989X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/5597#change-17084
12:13:07  <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Feature #6275: Cost tuning (realistic costs, default 20% of IRL prices) Xjuzza1X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/6275#change-17087
12:16:09  <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Feature #5561 (Closed): Gbln 3rd var-> Gbln-t Xjuzza1X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/5561#change-17090
13:10:44  <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Feature #5438: Sound effect quality increase Xkyosuke1989X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/5438#change-17102
13:21:59  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #6287: Adoption to new build services / distributed VCS XandythenorthX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/6287#change-17105
14:19:51  <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Revision 232:edf0ccc6d0bb: Fix: Deprecated sprites with confusing names removed Xjuzza1X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/finnishtrainset/repository/revisions/edf0ccc6d0bb
14:19:51  <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Revision 233:fca5323150f2: Fix: Sprite filenames are now consistent with the rest... Xjuzza1X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/finnishtrainset/repository/revisions/fca5323150f2
14:19:51  <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Revision 234:5f8b3b45a602: Fix: Basecosts now in header file, duplicate sleeper l... Xjuzza1X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/finnishtrainset/repository/revisions/5f8b3b45a602
14:19:55  <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Revision 235:5af30f981acb: Feature: Ocpp flat wagon Xjuzza1X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/finnishtrainset/repository/revisions/5af30f981acb
14:21:02  <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Feature #5936 (Closed): M100 metro Xjuzza1X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/5936#change-17108
14:36:56  <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Feature #5438: Sound effect quality increase Xkyosuke1989X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/5438#change-17111
14:38:02  <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Revision 236:21577fff833c: Fix: Fot and fots sprites separated Xjuzza1X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/finnishtrainset/repository/revisions/21577fff833c
14:38:02  <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Revision 237:59e9d6f2f9ec: Feature: Ohn, Soi, Sonk, Tabd wagon templates Xjuzza1X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/finnishtrainset/repository/revisions/59e9d6f2f9ec
14:38:02  <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Feature #5957: Wagon changes Xjuzza1X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/5957#change-17114
14:44:01  <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Feature #5438: Sound effect quality increase Xkyosuke1989X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/5438#change-17120
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14:59:48  <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Feature #5438: Sound effect quality increase Xkyosuke1989X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/5438#change-17123
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15:45:50  <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Feature #5438: Sound effect quality increase Xkyosuke1989X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/5438#change-17126
15:52:45  <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Feature #5438: Sound effect quality increase Xkyosuke1989X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/5438#change-17129
15:57:37  <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Feature #5438: Sound effect quality increase Xkyosuke1989X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/5438#change-17132
16:03:11  <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Revision 238:d9b25cb842e0: Feature: Shunting locomotives Tve2 and Tve3, Tve1 slig... Xjuzza1X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/finnishtrainset/repository/revisions/d9b25cb842e0
16:03:11  <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Feature #5900 (Closed): Tve1, Tve2 and Tve3 switcher locomotives Xjuzza1X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/5900#change-17135
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16:51:52  <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Feature #5438: Sound effect quality increase Xkyosuke1989X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/5438#change-17138
16:58:38  <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Feature #5438: Sound effect quality increase Xkyosuke1989X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/5438#change-17141
17:10:05  <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Revision 239:46dc0bf59b62: Feature: Efs as a separate coach Xjuzza1X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/finnishtrainset/repository/revisions/46dc0bf59b62
17:10:05  <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Revision 240:73c2bedbd572: Feature: M100 sounds (same as Sv1) Xjuzza1X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/finnishtrainset/repository/revisions/73c2bedbd572
17:10:31  <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Feature #5438: Sound effect quality increase Xkyosuke1989X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/5438#change-17144
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17:19:19  <Brot6> finnishtrainset: update from r231 to r240 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/finnishtrainset/nightlies/r240
17:25:37  <Brot6> firs: update from r3805 to r3806 done (26 warnings) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/nightlies/r3806
17:28:25  <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Feature #5438: Sound effect quality increase Xkyosuke1989X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/5438#change-17147
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17:49:38  <George> frosch123: are you here?
17:49:57  <George> A question about FS#5720
17:50:03  <Alberth> if auto-completion works, he is
17:51:20  <George> Your answer does not answer my question. It answers the question why the train can't be autoreplaced. But it does not answer why the wagon can't be autoreplaced?
17:51:48  <George> How do autoreplace work?
17:52:09  <frosch123> for autoreplacing the train is disassembled completely, then single vehicle are reneweed
17:52:13  <frosch123> then it is reassembled
17:52:43  <George> how is it disaasembled and how is it assembled?
17:53:20  <frosch123> as it likes, like a player would do
17:53:25  <George> in case it is disassembled from back to front and reassembled from front to back it should work
17:54:07  <George> in case it is diassembled from front to back it would not be disassembled
17:56:22  <George> so, when it starts disassembling, it trys to get vehicle at position 2 or position "last"?
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18:07:51  <George> frosch123: ?? How does it disassembled?
18:08:01  <frosch123> as it likes to
18:14:11  <George> You mean the oder can be different?
18:14:52  <Alberth> it means there is no fixed order to do things, different versions may use different approaches
18:15:55  <George> versions of OTTD?
18:16:26  <Alberth> probably it also means the same version may do different things, depending on the precise consist and the precise operation it must do
18:16:39  <frosch123> the only chance there would be, would be to only apply the attachment checks in the end
18:16:41  <Alberth> yeah OpenTTD versions
18:16:46  <frosch123> but i have no idea what impacts that may have
18:17:01  <frosch123> as the general idea of autoreplace is to just do what a player would do
18:17:38  <George> a player assembles train from head to back
18:17:56  <George> OTTD should disassemble from back to front
18:18:17  <frosch123> i am used to being allowed to assemble in any order i like
18:19:17  * Alberth also inserts wagons at random places in the train if it happens to be needed
18:19:38  <George> That would provide too complicated starts/stop CB
18:20:27  <frosch123> planetmaker: ^Spike^: i give up, i need to wait for the right repo server and redmine. i still cannot checkout eints-sandbox :/
18:22:11  <^Spike^> :/
18:22:51  <George> frosch123: what is the profit to have any assemble oder during autoreplace?
18:25:11  <Alberth> less player frustration?
18:27:25  <George> autoreplace is not done by player
18:27:33  <George> but by OTTD
18:27:48  <Alberth> not true, I do sometimes replace the engine manually
18:28:04  <George> tis is not AUTOreplace
18:28:08  <Alberth> eg when I want to replace engines of just 1 line
18:28:26  <George> This is not AUTOreplace
18:29:11  <Alberth> what is the profit of restricting the autoreplace case if you need the general replacement anyway for the manual case?
18:30:22  <George> profit is that the train check is done via allow_attach CB and not start/stop CB
18:30:33  <George> that is easier
18:38:57  <George> When I copy a train for autoreplace it works. It means that it is assebled in the right order, so only disaasembling is wrong?
18:42:52  <Alberth> there is no single way defined, any order may be used
18:44:22  <Alberth> if you make it work today based on what OpenTTD happens to do in your test, it may break again tomorrow, or with another consist
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18:49:36  <George> I did a test. Looks like it disaasembles consist from front to back
18:50:09  <George> I request to define the only correct order from back to front
18:55:40  <Alberth> you replace an engine not by picking up the front engine and throwing it away, and then buying a new one to add at the front?
18:57:37  <George> In case it a single engine yes
18:58:17  <George> In case it is multisection engine I have to remove wagons, replace parts and then connect wagons back
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19:38:37  <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Feature #5438: Sound effect quality increase Xkyosuke1989X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/5438#change-17150
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20:14:51  <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Feature #5438: Sound effect quality increase Xkyosuke1989X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/5438#change-17153
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21:01:46  <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Feature #5438: Sound effect quality increase Xkyosuke1989X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/5438#change-17150
21:04:16  <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Feature #5438: Sound effect quality increase Xkyosuke1989X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/5438#change-17174
21:20:56  <Brot6> Finnish Trainset - Feature #5438: Sound effect quality increase Xkyosuke1989X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/5438#change-17177
21:30:12  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 3807:f95e600444d4: Change: work in progress on Bulk Termina... XandythenorthX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/f95e600444d4
21:35:54  <Brot6> firs: update from r3806 to r3807 done (26 warnings) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/r3807
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