Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 13th September 2013:
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03:47:04  <Brot6> Feature #6389 (New): Base Empty Graphics for Gen 2 "Brit" style wagons XDanMacKX @
03:52:16  <Brot6> Bug #6390 (New): Remove "Univ" Gen 2 sprites in favour of "NA" Gen 2 sprite sets XDanMacKX @
04:04:02  <Brot6> Feature #6391 (New): EF-1 Electric British Locomotive XDanMacKX @
06:58:02  <DevZone> Project Iron Horse build #108-push: SUCCESS in 34 sec:
07:02:46  <DevZone> Project Iron Horse build #109-push: SUCCESS in 22 sec:
07:10:57  <Brot6> Revision 110:ca7c4a1771a3: Change: add 2-6-4 tank (wrong graphics) XandythenorthX @
07:10:57  <Brot6> Revision 111:9e8139809efb: Codechange: switch class used for tank locomotive XandythenorthX @
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07:15:59  <dihedral> ^Spike^, planetmaker - can you guys write an email or anything to let me know what you want backed up?
07:35:26  <planetmaker> dihedral, yes... but isn't backup a push process?
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08:32:03  <dihedral> planetmaker, nope
08:32:09  <dihedral> i am fetching the data with rsync
08:32:27  <dihedral> mainly because BackupPC does not offer push methods
08:34:44  <planetmaker> But shouldn't we be able to configure what we need backuped?
08:34:52  <planetmaker> directly
08:37:34  <planetmaker> honestly I don't know how this is setup. Nor how I would access it if I need it. Nor how to change what to backup. Can you shed some light please?
08:39:15  <planetmaker> All I know really is that we backup to your server and you have a VM on ours in exchange for yours
08:40:14  <planetmaker> And there's no swiss guy around whom I could actually ask
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09:31:36  <dihedral> but there is a german guy you can ask ;-)
09:31:44  <dihedral> and a german guy you can call as well :-)
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10:04:22  <planetmaker> I think I just did that...
10:04:49  <planetmaker> ...but only got a smart reply
10:20:50  <dihedral> no, it was duly noted, and i shall provide all details you need, seeing as it has a beautiful webinterface which will answer all your questions...
10:20:57  <dihedral> ... regarding the backups for openttdcoop
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11:13:03  <planetmaker> :-)
12:13:22  <planetmaker> V453000, did you try yesterday the new clone thing with your repo?
12:14:51  <V453000> I wanted to but I was getting a brutal amount of bluescreens so I didnt manage to do it in the end :D round 2 tonight
12:15:05  <V453000> apparently installing steam makes my SSD cry
12:15:17  <planetmaker> k. I'm home tonight, so I shall be available, too
12:15:31  <V453000> :)
12:16:03  <planetmaker> not that it's related to your bluescreens? (How do you manage to get them... win7 is quite stable, no?)
12:16:55  <V453000> I dont think it is related to windows entirely
12:17:09  <V453000> the system might be messy, but the problem is that my SSD turns itself off sometimes
12:17:11  <planetmaker> I don't believe in this matter anything anymore
12:17:29  <planetmaker> as I *really* have no clue as to where it comes from
12:17:35  <V453000> apparently when I update/install stuff on the SSD, there is very high likelyhood to get BSOD
12:17:43  <V453000> :D mhm :s
12:18:03  <planetmaker> also... would I be allowed to test a commit to your repo? (I'd probably commit a Makefile piecewise - no need to use, but not totally senseless either)
12:18:18  <V453000> of course :) dont even need to ask
12:18:51  <planetmaker> I actually might ask you to change the PW on your devzone account and give me your new one so that I might try with your account. But not now :-)
12:19:11  <V453000> oh sure, later :)
12:19:16  <V453000> I am open to all solutions
12:19:23  <planetmaker> yeah, not now. It's kinda the last thing I want to ask / try :-)
12:19:34  <V453000> :)
12:19:44  <planetmaker> but if it works for me with your account... it must be local to your machine :-)
12:20:27  <V453000> aye
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12:42:58  <juzza1> im trying to make some macros... why does this expand to FOOFOOFOO? instead of BARBARBAR
12:43:18  <juzza1> using the makefile for NML
12:44:23  <planetmaker> double expansion is tricky
12:46:41  <juzza1> replacing the third line with simply ARG returns BAR, so the concatenation somehow breaks it
12:50:51  <DevZone> Project Finnish Rail Infrastructure build #26-push: FAILURE in 10 sec:
12:56:56  <Brot6> Revision 65:f561f8281e94: More level crossing variants Xkyosuke1989X @
12:58:15  <planetmaker> juzza1, basically this is the manual ;-)
12:58:16  <Webster> Title: The C Preprocessor (at
12:58:52  <planetmaker> it might explain behaviour, possibly in the operator preference or macro expansion rules
13:00:18  <juzza1> as far as i understood that, the macro arguments inside the macro body are not expanded if there is a preceeding # or ## operator... so doing what i want might not be possible (at least not effortlesly)
13:02:03  <planetmaker> don't over-engineer it by means of too clever macros. I did that mistake a few times
13:02:14  <planetmaker> It's later on hard to follow what is actually being done :-)
13:05:17  <juzza1> yep. better stick to giving the arguments as they really are (i guess there's a reason they are called _actual_ arguments) :P
13:05:57  <planetmaker> yes :-)
13:06:33  <planetmaker> one way I sometimes work is like
13:06:53  <planetmaker> #define vehid ice3
13:07:16  <planetmaker> #include templates/default_wagons.tnml
13:07:17  <planetmaker> ...
13:07:23  <planetmaker> #undef vehid
13:07:37  <planetmaker> and templates/default_wagons.tnml contains code like
13:09:40  <planetmaker> switch (FEAT_TRAINS, SELF, vehid ## _time_switch, date) { 0 ... 1990: livery_old; default: livery_new; }
13:11:54  <planetmaker> that still remains easily readable. Well, in the above example you probably would also want to define the year of livery switch. Thus #define YEAR_NEW_LIVERY 1990 before the include. and #undef YEAR_NEW_LIVERY before the #undef vehid
13:12:18  <planetmaker> but maybe... for a special case like liveries, templating is not sensible anyway
13:14:21  <V453000> write everything into 1 file for sanity :>
13:14:29  <V453000>  /troll off
13:15:04  <planetmaker> that would kill my sanity :-)
13:15:14  <planetmaker> as does too much templating. But there I killed myself
13:15:33  <V453000> its great, only notepad++ seems to lag slightly sometimes :D
13:16:19  <planetmaker> well. Depends, I think. Logically structured in a few files makes things easier to find
13:17:06  <V453000> ctrl+f :>
13:17:12  <V453000> actually I would be dead lost without that :D
13:17:39  <planetmaker> :-) I do use grep "blah" src/* :D
13:18:01  <planetmaker> kinda multi-file grep ;-)
13:18:05  <V453000> :D
13:18:19  <planetmaker> though if I want to check sth with railtypes, I don't need it. I just look in 'railtypes.pnml'
13:18:31  <planetmaker> No need to bother with any vehicle code or so
13:18:41  <V453000> mhm :)
13:18:47  <planetmaker> or if I want to check the slug - just slug.pnml
13:19:11  <V453000> right :)
13:19:21  <planetmaker> thus filenames must be chosen such that they safe you one ctrl+f :-)
13:19:27  <planetmaker> only then it's sane. Otherwise a pain
13:19:28  <V453000> XD
13:32:08  <juzza1> btw. i got my problem solved
13:32:09  <Webster> Title: C Preprocessor, Stringify the result of a macro - Stack Overflow (at
13:32:14  <juzza1> though i'm not sure if i'll do it like that
14:03:16  <Brot6> Bug #6392 (New): Wrong Graphics for Brit 2-6-4T "Suburban" Tank Engine XDanMacKX @
14:18:26  <Brot6> Bug #6393 (New): Wrong Graphics for British "Generation 1" Coach XDanMacKX @
14:23:09  <DevZone> Project Iron Horse build #110-push: SUCCESS in 30 sec:
14:26:04  <Brot6> Revision 112:96cd4ecbfec7: Change: new graphics for 2-6-4 Tank XandythenorthX @
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15:14:49  <Alberth> hi hi
15:14:56  <TWerkhoven> ello
15:21:59  <frosch123> moin
15:36:07  <Alberth> new bugs still popping up :)
15:37:12  <Alberth> I pondered about the crediting issue, and I think a new fileformat containing both the language file and credits per string is the simplest solution
15:38:40  <Alberth> the alternative is to be able to query changes since some point in time (provided by eints as string)
15:39:21  <Alberth> where you then also get troubles with new updates if you query the other info at another request
15:41:09  <Alberth> (eg query changes since some time-value -> eints answer with a new time-value + credits; query language string at that time-value
15:41:58  <Alberth> s/language string/language file/
15:41:58  <Brot6> Alberth meant: "(eg query changes since some time-value -> eints answer with a new time-value + credits; query language file at that time-value"
15:45:07  <Brot6> Bug #6394 (New): Wrong Graphics for British "Generation 1" Mail Car XDanMacKX @
15:45:24  <frosch123> i think a "annotate" output is most useful
15:47:43  <Alberth> I am also somewhat wondering to extend the file format accepted by nml
15:48:07  <Alberth> it's nice and compact, but it lacks in being able to express stuff that we want
15:49:20  <frosch123> i guess the original idea was to keep it similar to ottd
15:50:05  <oskari89> NML could also support stations :)
15:50:23  <frosch123> i am not sure for what you want to extent the lang files
15:50:46  <frosch123> but if it is about strings without translation, maybe they should go to a separate file
15:50:55  <frosch123> e.g. "default.txt" instead of "english.txt"
15:51:16  <frosch123> i think putting more stuff into english.txt than in other language.txt is weird as best
15:51:29  <frosch123> it makes processing of those files harder for everyone
15:51:30  <Alberth> hmm, custom_tags.txt  or so?
15:54:50  <Alberth> perhaps nml should accept string literals for those cases
15:55:50  * Alberth <- dinner
15:55:56  <planetmaker> hello
15:56:11  <Alberth> hello
16:04:13  <planetmaker> thanks for the hint wrt the group problem with hgweb, Alberth
16:20:18  <V453000> waiting for lock on repository C:\Users\Vasek\NUTS held by '\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00'
16:20:19  <V453000> O_O
16:22:05  <V453000> I did commit one new thing, and accidentally added two .psd files which might be a bit large
16:22:28  <V453000> 79 and 90 MB to be precise
16:22:40  <V453000> how do I remove that commit?
16:22:51  <frosch123> my poking pm
16:22:52  <frosch123> *by
16:23:03  * V453000 pokes pm gently
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16:34:39  <Brot6> Revision 47:2c7cf0a9520a: deduplicate rcon and content commands XT. WerkhovenX @
16:42:06  <DevZone> Project make-nml build #23-push: SUCCESS in 23 sec:
16:44:09  <planetmaker> :-)
16:44:24  <planetmaker> V453000, did you add them only locally, but not on the server-side yet?
16:44:48  <planetmaker> <-- also I got a whitespace warning when building nuts
16:45:14  <planetmaker> V453000, if it's the last commit: use hg rollback
16:45:22  <planetmaker> hg forget filename
16:45:30  <planetmaker> hg commit
16:47:41  <DevZone> Project ISR Industrial Station Renewal build #12-push: SUCCESS in 25 sec:
16:47:53  <DevZone> Project Dutch Trainset build #5-push: STILL FAILING in 42 sec:
16:48:27  <Brot6> Revision 71:11ac1dd4ac80: Fix: custom_tags.txt depends on the 'soft' GENERATE_NML instead of 'har... XplanetmakerX @
16:48:30  <DevZone> Project OpenGFX+ Industries build #15-push: SUCCESS in 37 sec:
16:48:37  <V453000> 1 whitespace warning is ok
16:48:54  <planetmaker> hm, what is devzone doing...?
16:48:59  <DevZone> Project Fake Subways build #7-push: SUCCESS in 29 sec:
16:49:21  <planetmaker> V453000, anyway, is the BIG commit your last?
16:49:25  <Brot6> Revision 54:e212f7691a44: Add: Makefile (make-nml 0.4.3) to faciliate easy building XplanetmakerX @
16:49:25  <Brot6> Revision 238:13c7b196c603: Update: Translations XeintsX @
16:49:25  <Brot6> Revision 148:68905ed69fb3: Update: Translations XeintsX @
16:50:03  <V453000> r57
16:50:06  <V453000> yes
16:50:15  <V453000> the one with the two .psds ... did the forget thing now
16:51:25  <Brot6> Revision 24:b82e35187985: Update: Translations XeintsX @
16:51:36  <planetmaker> ok, so that worked. Then you can commit anew
16:51:48  <planetmaker> after you forgot the big files after rollback
16:52:04  <V453000> hm
16:52:08  <V453000> rollback says the lock thing
16:52:17  <V453000>
16:52:57  <planetmaker> close tortoise?
16:53:28  <planetmaker> and rollback and forget only make sense in reversed order if you want to undo the commit
16:53:30  <V453000> still
16:53:34  <planetmaker> hg revert -a
16:53:36  <planetmaker> hg rollback
16:53:37  <V453000> hm :)
16:53:38  <planetmaker> hg forget
16:53:58  <planetmaker> ATTENTION: any changes since would get lost
16:54:06  <planetmaker> since the BIG commit
16:54:15  <V453000> got backups
16:55:03  <V453000> nope rollback says that thing again
16:55:04  <V453000> :S
16:55:07  <V453000> what isthat lock anyway
16:55:14  <V453000> with closed tortoise, and after revert -a
16:55:17  <planetmaker> no clue
16:55:34  <frosch123> is there some hidden file in your repo?
16:55:54  <frosch123> named "hgnumbernumberorsomething"?
16:56:08  <DevZone> Yippie, build fixed!
16:56:09  <DevZone> Project Finnish Rail Infrastructure build #27-push: FIXED in 34 sec:
16:56:21  <V453000> only hgignore :s
16:56:29  <V453000> but that istn hidden either
16:57:22  <frosch123> .hg/store/lock
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16:57:35  <frosch123> .hg/wlock
16:57:43  <frosch123> or try "hg recover"
16:57:49  <frosch123> before/afterwards
16:58:42  <V453000> store/lock is empty
16:58:50  <V453000> wlock has some Vasek-PC:1404
16:59:10  <frosch123> remove both
16:59:11  <V453000> hg recover says the lock thing again
16:59:12  <V453000> ok
17:00:14  <V453000> ha
17:00:15  <V453000> worked
17:00:18  <V453000> trying to puuuush
17:00:37  <V453000> abort: push creates new remote head 9e293e7c502c! hint: you should pull and merge or use push -f to force
17:00:38  <V453000> :d
17:00:40  <V453000> k
17:00:44  <planetmaker> that's expected
17:00:52  <planetmaker> hg pull -u
17:00:57  <planetmaker> hg merge
17:01:09  <planetmaker> i.e. I commited a changeset to your repo meanwhile
17:01:31  <V453000> pull -u : abort: repo default not found :d
17:01:40  <planetmaker> eh?
17:01:48  <planetmaker> what's your default repo in .hg/hgrc?
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17:02:23  <V453000> # Generated by TortoiseHg   [ui] username = V453000   [paths] NUTS =
17:02:27  <Brot6> Revision 671:28d43f5b3d99: Update: Translations XeintsX @
17:02:28  <Brot6> Revision 8:3a6918ddb41f: Update: Translations XeintsX @
17:02:29  <V453000> apparently doesnt mention default
17:02:44  <planetmaker> yeah. puth there under [paths]:
17:02:57  <planetmaker> default =
17:03:21  <Brot6> Revision 66:fd1f608dcaa0: Fature: Rails ported to FRISS - Rail Infrastructure Xjuzza1X @
17:04:27  <V453000> I see your commit now
17:04:35  <planetmaker> :-)
17:04:46  <planetmaker> you could now merge that with yours.
17:05:00  <Brot6> Revision 250:e525b1e60675: Update: Translations XeintsX @
17:05:15  <planetmaker> hg merge would do that. It requires giving some revisions which I don't know as you only have them :-)
17:05:21  <V453000> I guess I should commit my changes first?
17:05:27  <V453000> or force it?
17:05:41  <V453000> doesnt matter if I lose stuff now, I can overwrite it from backup
17:05:57  <planetmaker> wait, you have uncommitted changes now?
17:06:08  <V453000> seemingly, after the rollback thing
17:06:15  <planetmaker> ah ok
17:06:21  <planetmaker> then forget the files you want to forget
17:06:27  <planetmaker> and commit your change. yes
17:07:17  <planetmaker> and yes, you can force the push then, if you like. I could do the merge and push that
17:08:21  <V453000> taking a puuush :)
17:08:34  <V453000> abort: authorization failed
17:08:35  <V453000> hayt
17:10:12  <V453000> hm what do with that? :d
17:10:18  <planetmaker> you push manually w/o tortoise?
17:10:44  <V453000> with
17:11:18  <DevZone> Project OpenGFX+ Landscape build #6-push: SUCCESS in 23 min:
17:11:32  <V453000> :D oh ... I overwrote your custom_tags changes btw :D sorry :>
17:11:40  <V453000> took local during merge
17:11:50  <planetmaker> that's cool. What did  I change there?
17:11:57  <V453000> -VERSION        :2013-09-13 (5004:23eeed020ed1M) -VERSION_STRING :2013-09-13 (5004:23eeed020ed1M) -TITLE          :NUTS 2013-09-13 (5004:23eeed020ed1M) -FILENAME       :nuts.grf -REPO_DATE      :2013-09-13 -REPO_HASH      :23eeed020ed1 -REPO_BRANCH    : -NEWGRF_VERSION :5004 -DAYS_SINCE_2K  :5004
17:11:59  <planetmaker> oh... yes
17:12:05  <planetmaker> hm, shouldn't be there :D
17:12:08  <V453000> :D
17:12:10  <V453000> kay
17:13:22  <planetmaker> dunno what tortoise does. can you try w/o it?
17:13:24  <V453000> hmmm what could have I possibly fucked up with the authorization?
17:13:28  <V453000> hg push
17:13:29  <V453000> and something?
17:13:38  <planetmaker> default-push=
17:13:44  <planetmaker> and then hg-push
17:13:46  <planetmaker> hg push
17:14:53  <V453000> that default-push goes into hgrc?
17:15:02  <planetmaker> yes
17:15:08  <planetmaker> same as default=...
17:15:13  <planetmaker> just below or above. whatever
17:15:50  <V453000> pushi pushi
17:16:54  <V453000> auth failed
17:17:05  <planetmaker> and XXX was your PW, yes?
17:17:08  <V453000> yarr
17:17:36  <planetmaker> ok, can we try what I said earlier today, can you change your PW, give me the changed one so that I can see myself?
17:18:18  <V453000> yarr
17:18:20  <planetmaker> (note: we'll never ask for your password :-P )
17:18:28  <planetmaker> -->phishing :D
17:18:52  <V453000> should be changed now
17:19:33  <DevZone> Project NML - NewGRF Meta Language build #51-nightlies: SUCCESS in 1 min 1 sec:
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17:22:06  <planetmaker> right... I could push with your account. Reverting my change to custom_tags.txt
17:23:16  <planetmaker> is there one HUGE commit among those, V453000 ?
17:23:31  <planetmaker> adding some psd or so?
17:23:40  <planetmaker> (oh, and pull again, maybe)
17:23:50  <V453000> I thought I already reverted that one
17:24:05  <planetmaker> well, one of the other :-)
17:25:35  <Brot6> Revision 55:16acfee6bfde: Fix: Don't overwrite custom_tags.txt XplanetmakerX @
17:26:12  <planetmaker> V453000, or try to push one by one:
17:26:17  <planetmaker> hg push -rXX
17:26:24  <planetmaker> where XX is the *first* (oldest) of your commits
17:26:25  <V453000> o
17:27:06  <V453000> starting with 56 then?
17:27:10  <V453000> or like r1? :D
17:27:23  <planetmaker> not r1. The oldest which only you have
17:27:29  <V453000> right
17:27:52  <V453000> abort .. did you forget to merge
17:27:53  <V453000> yes? :D
17:28:07  <planetmaker> well. hg push -f -rXX
17:28:11  <V453000> mhm :)
17:30:33  <V453000> auth failed :d
17:30:39  <V453000> I did change the pw in hgrc
17:30:48  <planetmaker> hm
17:31:11  <planetmaker> what does hg log -rXX --stat look like for that commit?
17:32:44  <V453000>
17:33:07  <planetmaker> that doesn't look huge
17:34:18  <V453000> this one is small
17:34:20  <V453000> was just a test
17:34:23  <V453000> 57 is big
17:35:14  <planetmaker> isn't r54 your first changeset?
17:35:49  <V453000> omg it is
17:35:58  <V453000> :d saw your fix to 55 and got confused
17:36:04  <planetmaker> :-)
17:36:20  <planetmaker> numeric numbering is... bad. It's local to repos :D
17:38:00  <V453000>
17:38:05  <Webster> Title: Dropbox - Public (at
17:38:11  <V453000> wat
17:38:23  <V453000>
17:38:25  <V453000> this :)
17:38:36  <planetmaker> :D
17:39:08  <V453000> ++++++++++++++++
17:39:17  <planetmaker> hm... .nml.orig?
17:39:44  <V453000> what is that thing anyway
17:39:45  <V453000> :d
17:39:54  <planetmaker> backup copy of your editor of your file
17:40:00  <V453000> mhm
17:40:06  <Alberth> or a merged nml file
17:40:51  <planetmaker> yeah, or that
17:41:04  <planetmaker> V453000, let's try something different for a change:
17:41:12  <V453000> format C? :D
17:41:14  <planetmaker> get a copy of eints-test repository
17:41:53  <planetmaker> or maybe even just the sandbox repo
17:42:12  <planetmaker> or did we already check whether or not you could commit anywhere else?
17:42:21  <V453000> no we didnt :)
17:42:50  <planetmaker> test repo will do
17:43:06  <V453000> pull from eints-test complete
17:43:20  <planetmaker> add some random stuff. commit and push
17:43:58  <planetmaker> maybe just a trailing space somewhere :D
17:45:01  <Brot6> Revision 0:1e9661e83480: Feature: Code ported from FRISS main repo Xjuzza1X @
17:45:02  <Brot6> Revision 1:4fcaf3ce76b1: Feature: Code ported from FRISS main repo Xjuzza1X @
17:45:02  <Brot6> Revision 2:75ae577ae3b6: Forget some unnecessary files Xjuzza1X @
17:45:02  <Brot6> Revision 3:acad146020d9: Fix: Comments for macros Xjuzza1X @
17:45:29  <V453000> No outgoing changesets to
17:45:36  <V453000> while adding some file
17:45:50  <planetmaker> hg phase -p .
17:45:53  <planetmaker> and push again
17:46:56  <V453000> abort: no revisions specified
17:46:56  <V453000> :D
17:46:58  <V453000> wa
17:49:27  <planetmaker> hg phase -p -r tip
17:52:08  <V453000> no phases changed
17:52:09  <V453000> it sez
17:52:20  <planetmaker> wtf do you do wrong?! :D
17:52:28  <planetmaker> did you commit anything to eints-test?
17:52:44  <V453000> yes. add one random text file
17:52:45  <planetmaker> and try to push to ?
17:53:15  <planetmaker> hg push
17:53:21  <planetmaker> could explicity specify the target
17:54:07  <V453000> sec got to run for a couple o minutez
17:57:19  <Alberth> planetmaker: is this known?
18:01:22  <planetmaker> no, I didn't yet notice. ogfx+landscape?
18:01:58  <Alberth> it looks that way, just the opengfx baseset looked ok to me
18:02:09  <DevZone> Project ISR Industrial Station Renewal build #13-push: SUCCESS in 21 sec:
18:02:54  <Alberth> I was playing a game with nuts, but this kinds of tracks are highly distracting :)
18:09:12  <planetmaker> yes, the landscape set has differently composed sprites
18:09:28  <planetmaker> I needed to extract tracks from ground. Which obviously gave this effect
18:15:42  <Brot6> Revision 251:df63c190b3b7: Update: Add changes to Dutch and Scottish Gaelic translations Xmart3pX @
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18:26:39  <V453000> pm no changes found :d
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18:37:01  <^Spike^> Alberth to what extend do you think you would be able to fix hgredmine?
18:38:21  <Alberth> is that complicated?
18:38:32  <^Spike^> ehm...
18:38:43  <^Spike^> well the line commented is the correct one... my mind already has a dirty hack... :)
18:40:10  <^Spike^> 3 vars set to false by default depending on perms set to true... and end with the return.. :)
18:40:15  <^Spike^> but my python skills are basicly 0 :D
18:45:48  <frosch123> that was also my status two months ago
18:45:56  <^Spike^> something with while rows in db check perms... if perms = x set true here etc etc
18:46:03  <^Spike^> that's how i'm thinking about it
18:46:24  <^Spike^> and if there are no new rows return result...
18:46:31  <^Spike^> can you tell me if the mindset is right atleast then :D
18:47:04  <Rubidium> ... and now frosch123 is better than I am ;)
18:47:53  * ^Spike^ can always just give it a try... :)
18:47:59  <^Spike^> if for some reason nobody can push....
18:48:01  <^Spike^> i'm innocent :D
18:48:11  <frosch123> as long as albert is better it won't get boring :)
18:48:13  <planetmaker> tsk...
18:48:13  <Brot6> Feature Request #6395 (New): Allow skipping of strings while translating in eints XGunChleocX @
18:48:31  <^Spike^> planetmaker atleast we found the cause... and i'm TRYING to fix it :D
18:49:04  <planetmaker> :-) That honestly sounds to me a fix which is dearly needed by upstream :-)
18:49:17  <planetmaker> I can hardly imagine that we're the only ones who stumbled about it
18:49:19  <^Spike^> well question 2: Does the guy still support iy :)
18:49:30  <^Spike^> you did read the doc right?
18:49:32  <^Spike^> made for ottdc?
18:49:34  <Alberth>
18:49:57  <^Spike^> Alberth fixed it faster then i could....
18:50:43  <Alberth> ^Spike^:  a quick intro into python for programmers is the python tutorial at
18:50:49  <planetmaker> :-) <3 Alberth
18:50:49  <^Spike^> :)
18:51:36  <Alberth> planetmaker: we only found it because some idiot wrote eints :p
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18:51:54  <planetmaker> ah, we should really cage-in that 'idiot'
18:52:12  <^Spike^> :)
18:52:15  <Alberth> without it, we'd still be happily using that script
18:52:21  <planetmaker> :-)
18:52:51  <planetmaker> Alberth, but I can easily imagine people attaching more than one role to people for other reasons, too
18:52:59  <^Spike^> gotta love patch rejects.... :)
18:54:12  <Alberth> weird diff path?
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18:54:39  <Alberth> you may sanitize the filenames a bit :)
18:54:46  <Alberth> +want to
18:55:45  <Alberth> I didn't check upstream whether they have this issue
18:56:25  <planetmaker> <-- that is upstream afaik... at least reasonably up2date
18:56:26  <Webster> Title: nolith / hgredmine / source / Bitbucket (at
18:59:51  <Alberth> no issues?
19:00:01  * ^Spike^ tried sanitizing paths...
19:00:03  <^Spike^> and failed :D
19:00:15  <^Spike^> oh well not much changes i could even copy/paste them ;)
19:01:12  <Alberth> just make them both just the filename,  then patch -p0 < patchfile
19:09:02  <^Spike^> even then if failed... :)
19:09:47  <Alberth> :(
19:10:45  <Alberth> ok, no issue tracker that I can find, and I don't have an account at bitbucket either
19:13:09  <^Spike^> manual patching ftw :D
19:14:01  <^Spike^> ok...
19:14:06  <^Spike^> if ppl can test a push.. :)
19:14:42  <^Spike^> technically... and in theory it should be fixed :D
19:15:16  <planetmaker> :-)
19:20:52  * ^Spike^ just runs away :D
19:21:01  <planetmaker> lol :-)
19:22:43  <frosch123> hmm, what is your opinion on the eints-push end-of-line conversion?
19:22:54  <frosch123> should we advertise the hg eol conversion more strongly?
19:23:26  <frosch123> or should i add some magic to the script to detect eol style and restore it after download with unix2dos
19:24:09  <frosch123> *hg eol extension
19:25:01  <planetmaker> hm... difficult
19:25:11  <planetmaker> it's not like mercurial exactly favours using it
19:25:33  <frosch123> yeah, but i do not know the reasoning for that
19:26:25  <frosch123> nor how else one shall work in a team with mixed dos/unix users
19:26:59  <Alberth> use a good editor, mostly, I guess
19:28:01  <Alberth> reasoning is (afaik) that files are sequences of bytes that should not be altered by the vcs
19:29:00  <Alberth> eg a file with mixed eol style
19:29:22  <planetmaker> hm, yes, that probably was it
19:29:33  <planetmaker> now you mention it, I faintly recall that argument :-)
19:29:46  <Alberth> I once had such a file for testing purposes, but svn didn't like it very much
19:30:32  <Alberth> I had a problem with a BOM marker that got moved after the line number of the first line with "hg blame"
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19:30:59  <planetmaker> gah
19:31:09  <Alberth> their answer was "we don't touch file data"
19:31:20  <planetmaker> I seriously need to teach this gnome3 to use mouse-over focuses window
19:31:46  <Alberth> good luck with that
19:32:09  <planetmaker> yeah :S
19:32:10  <Alberth> although their broken multiple desktop handling made me switch
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19:32:58  <planetmaker> I've been using gnome3 now for nearly a year... but recently this missing mouse-over focus gives me... trouble
19:33:24  <Alberth> it went really missing recently?
19:34:02  <planetmaker> not sure, probably not
19:34:38  <Alberth> it was always hidden somewhere in the advanced config thingie, gconf editor iirc
19:35:17  <Alberth> forgot its exact name :(
19:35:30  <planetmaker> yes, I think I know that thing
19:35:50  <planetmaker> what window manager do you use now?
19:37:13  <Alberth> switched back to kde
19:37:45  <planetmaker> aye
19:37:58  <Alberth> also not ideal, but it has fixed multiple desktops instead of the automagic disappearing ones of gnome3
19:38:09  <Alberth> and mouse-over focus
19:39:51  <Alberth> otherwise I mostly don't care enough to bother trying other wms, too much work :)
19:40:49  <planetmaker> hm, yes. I might try that again, too
19:41:02  <planetmaker> similar here. I just needs to work [TM]
19:45:04  <Brot6> Bug #6396 (New): Enable adding credit to commits with translation changes XAlberthX @
19:45:28  <planetmaker> not so modest, Alberth :-) It's definitely a feature
19:46:44  <Alberth> it should have done that out of the box, and probably would have, if the language file was not so limited in its features :)
19:46:54  <Alberth> anyway, enough for today, good night
19:47:29  <planetmaker> sleep well Alberth :-)
19:47:51  <Alberth> sleep well planetmaker :)
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19:50:31  <frosch123> <- hmm, if i would add a realname of the language to that page a second column...
19:50:41  <frosch123> what would be the sorting criterion? :s
19:51:19  <frosch123> project overview only uses iso code
19:57:55  <planetmaker> frosch123, ideally it could be sorted by either column like wiki tables :D
19:58:07  <frosch123> stuff for andy
19:58:12  <frosch123> :p
19:58:13  <planetmaker> :-)
19:58:31  <planetmaker> either sorting there is fine otherwise. Both make equally sense. And there's ctrl+f
20:04:39  <frosch123> <- i think it looks less empty like that
20:04:58  <frosch123> it also list all languages now, not only those which exist in at least one project
20:06:06  <frosch123> hmm, the headline is weird
20:06:16  <frosch123> "Languages available for translators"?
20:07:39  <planetmaker> all languages is ok. We also want to ahve those which are not yet done at all :-)
20:11:03  <^Spike^> btw maybe the guy on forums can try again now.. as we got the AlbertH version of hgredmine... :)
20:11:09  <frosch123> it's scary how much eints has become a spreadsheet of different tables :p
20:11:31  <^Spike^> :)
20:12:05  <planetmaker> he :-)
20:17:56  <^Spike^> it really looks nice though frosch123 :)
20:19:38  <frosch123> <- i guess it's no improvement to list all languages on the project page as wel
20:20:06  <frosch123> i.e. replacing the "start new language as top" with buttons per row as in
20:20:46  <frosch123> resp. (better example :p)
20:21:35  <Brot6> Bug #6397 (New): Wrong Graphics for British Gen 2 Mail Car XDanMacKX @
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20:23:48  * Rubidium wonders how much effort it would be to have an aggregrate of language stats on the /languages page ;)
20:24:45  <frosch123> not much, but likely as useless as an improved economy window in ottd
20:25:00  <planetmaker> well :-)
20:25:19  <frosch123> i wondered about showing something like "number of active translators"
20:25:38  <frosch123> but i wonder about the meaning of "active" :p
20:26:49  <Rubidium> active if fairly non-trivial ;)
20:27:10  <Rubidium> if someone changes one string every day, but there are still 1000 untranslated strings. Is that active?
20:27:20  <planetmaker> yeah :-)
20:27:38  <Rubidium> if no one of a language doesn't change a string for 90 days, but no new strings were added. Is that inactive?
20:27:47  <frosch123> "estimated time for complete translations of all projects" :p
20:27:48  <Rubidium> s/n't//
20:27:49  <Brot6> Rubidium meant: "if no one of a language does change a string for 90 days, but no new strings were added. Is that inactive?"
20:28:08  <frosch123> alternating from 1 day to 10000 years :p
20:51:38  <TWerkhoven> ^Spike^: still waiting for a push?
20:51:44  <frosch123> <- i guess it the "no access" is listed too often, it gets annoying :p
20:51:49  <frosch123> might be a feature :p
20:52:29  <^Spike^> TWerkhoven you may do it for me it doesn't matter :)
20:52:34  <^Spike^> if it fails i get highlighted anyway :D
20:52:53  <planetmaker> hm, yeah. could just be left blank there, frosch123 ?
20:53:06  <planetmaker> or a simple "-" instead of "No Access"?
20:53:14  <TWerkhoven> also if its a 404?
20:53:15  <frosch123> the feature request was to see what projects owners one has to beg
20:53:34  <planetmaker> hm :-)
20:53:35  <frosch123> it lists only languages to which one has access in *some* project
20:53:49  <frosch123> (where owner access does not count)
20:53:49  <^Spike^> TWerkhoven yes? :)
20:53:57  <TWerkhoven> cus i just got 404
20:54:00  <^Spike^> ah....
20:56:50  <^Spike^> TWerkhoven try again?
20:57:14  <TWerkhoven> 502 this time, bad gateway
20:58:04  <^Spike^> hmm
20:58:34  <^Spike^> nice.......
20:59:22  <planetmaker> what, how, where?
21:00:11  <^Spike^> it hates hgpush
21:02:13  <^Spike^> atleast it doesn't break now... :D
21:05:09  <^Spike^> still can't apply alberth's patch....
21:07:04  <Brot6> mode change on /home/hg/hgredmine
21:07:13  * ^Spike^ kicks Brot6
21:07:14  <^Spike^> stfu
21:07:34  <^Spike^> TWerkhoven try again?
21:07:58  <TWerkhoven> success
21:08:34  <^Spike^> oki.. time to start it daemonized again
21:08:40  <^Spike^> this is alberth's patched version :)
21:09:03  <^Spike^> manual patching ftw... :)
21:11:13  <Brot6> Revision 287:4773068f9994: Add: Display all known languages on the language overview page, and al... XfroschX @
21:11:14  <Brot6> Revision 288:5ea2e25f6168: Add: Show all projects on the user profile page, so one can also see p... XfroschX @
21:11:34  <^Spike^> i should still automate that for loop...
21:19:20  <Brot6> Revision 48:81f2fc0102b3: simple auto-reconnect on disconnection XT. WerkhovenX @
21:21:02  <juzza1> could someone configure for the hudson/jenkins compiler thingy?
21:21:08  <juzza1> btw. what should i call it? :D
21:21:59  <^Spike^> compile farm! :)
21:22:08  * ^Spike^ just points to planetmaker :D
21:23:56  <juzza1> :)
21:28:56  <DevZone> Project Finnish Rail Infrastructure - Rails build #1-push: SUCCESS in 28 sec:
21:29:13  <planetmaker> ^ juzza1
21:30:38  <juzza1> thanks :)
21:38:12  <frosch123> what... i can drag resize the editareas :o
21:38:45  <planetmaker> from eints? yes
21:39:07  <frosch123> never saw something like that :p
21:39:10  <frosch123> resp. noticed
21:40:18  <planetmaker> I saw it before on the often extremely ill-formed e-mail forms of crappy companies which are too shy to provide real e-mail contacts
21:40:29  <Brot6> Bug #6397 (Closed): Wrong Graphics for British Gen 2 Mail Car XDanMacKX @
21:40:29  <Brot6> Bug #6397 (Closed): Wrong Graphics for British Gen 2 Mail Car XandythenorthX @
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21:40:58  <planetmaker> it's I think a general property of these kind of text areas
21:41:55  <^Spike^> frosch123 it could also be your browser :)
21:41:59  <DevZone> Project Iron Horse build #112-push: SUCCESS in 26 sec:
21:42:18  <Brot6> Bug #6394 (Closed): Wrong Graphics for British "Generation 1" Mail Car XandythenorthX @
21:42:30  <^Spike^> lots of browsers include a "feature" to resize textareas
21:43:00  <Brot6> Bug #6393 (Closed): Wrong Graphics for British "Generation 1" Coach XandythenorthX @
21:43:02  <frosch123> true, it even works in flyspray
21:43:06  <DevZone> Project Iron Horse build #113-push: SUCCESS in 32 sec:
21:43:45  <frosch123> anyway, 10 cases are just too much
21:43:53  <frosch123> there is no way to make the page look reasonable
21:43:56  <DevZone> Project Iron Horse build #114-push: SUCCESS in 25 sec:
21:44:01  <Brot6> Bug #6392 (Closed): Wrong Graphics for Brit 2-6-4T "Suburban" Tank Engine XandythenorthX @
21:44:43  <frosch123> and i don't understand half of the eints features on that page :p
21:46:09  <planetmaker> I understand the three newest :-D
21:46:28  <planetmaker> hm, and 6351
21:47:57  <DevZone> Project Iron Horse build #115-push: SUCCESS in 23 sec:
21:48:12  <Brot6> Bug #5312 (Closed): Link back to project page XplanetmakerX @
21:48:42  <planetmaker> hm, a favicon?
21:48:56  <Brot6> Revision 113:f8ebc009901c: Change: gen 2 brit mail car XandythenorthX @
21:48:56  <Brot6> Revision 114:bdd496d3abb5: Change: gen 1 brit mail car XandythenorthX @
21:48:56  <Brot6> Revision 115:470acd6449fc: Change: gen 1 brit passenger car XandythenorthX @
21:48:56  <Brot6> Revision 116:c36d442bb746: Change: set tank loco 2-6-4 to 7 long XandythenorthX @
21:48:58  <Brot6> Revision 117:6e3832bd60b9: Change: set covered hopper car length to 8 XandythenorthX @
21:49:03  <frosch123> the icon in your browser tab
21:49:05  <planetmaker> frosch123, the grf thing with a quill?
21:49:07  <frosch123> currently it is blank
21:49:21  <DevZone> Project Iron Horse build #116-push: SUCCESS in 23 sec:
21:49:35  <frosch123> grf would not include game scripts :)
21:49:41  <frosch123> so, not future proof :)
21:49:41  <planetmaker> true :-)
21:50:17  <frosch123> just "#" ? :p
21:50:38  <planetmaker> can we stylize the rosetta stone?
21:50:46  <frosch123> the redmine logo?
21:51:22  <frosch123> oh, google that term
21:51:32  <frosch123> i guess even if you try, noone will recognise it :p
21:51:56  <frosch123> the eints frontpage as a globe
21:52:05  <planetmaker> <-- stylized :D
22:05:56  <Brot6> Revision 118:4d44230840fe: Change: set gen 2 tank car length to 8 XandythenorthX @
22:09:52  <planetmaker> good night
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