Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 17th December 2013:
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09:23:32  <Brot6> Feature #6655 (Closed): New graphics for 1950 Metro Train XDanMacKX @
09:23:32  <Brot6> Feature #6655 (Closed): New graphics for 1950 Metro Train XandythenorthX @
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11:33:25  <Alberth> where do I report a bug in the build system?
11:33:53  <Alberth> generating bundles without any form of version in the filenames is annoying
11:35:41  <V453000> you can report it to me but I dont think it will have any effect :P
11:38:37  <Alberth> hi V
11:46:54  <Brot6> Bug #6656 (New): Diamond Mine N tile doesn't accept ENSP XandythenorthX @
11:50:34  <V453000> hi
11:54:09  <Brot6> Bug #6657 (New): Order of cargoes is not consistent for brewery XAlberthX @
12:12:18  <Brot6> Feature #6658 (New): Allow to build versioned nightly builds XplanetmakerX @
12:30:31  <Brot6> Bug #6584 (Confirmed): "action 1 and 2 are not valid before action 8" XplanetmakerX @
12:34:30  <planetmaker> Alberth, generally, bugs with the build system are best reported with the 'make-nml' project or with the devzone help centre (depends a bit what issue it is - I'll read both anyway :))
12:34:54  <Alberth> ah, ok, thanks
12:48:24  <Brot6> Bug #6659 (New): Port and fishing harbour look the same XAlberthX @
12:49:26  <DevZone> Project finnishtrams build #63-push: SUCCESS in 41 sec:
13:07:40  <planetmaker>  Alberth in order to understand you right: your request for versioned filenames is fulfilled if the tar filename has a version, yes? The grf itself need not?
13:09:22  <Alberth> the only issue that remains then is that you cannot easily find the file from the newgrf information displayed in-game
13:09:33  <Alberth> but that could be considered to be an openttd issue
13:10:00  <planetmaker> NewGRFs built with my makefiles should display their version in their title
13:10:47  <Alberth>
13:11:13  <Alberth> it says "firs/firs.grf" currently :)
13:11:34  <planetmaker> the first 'firs' - that's the tar or a real directory?
13:12:34  <Alberth> that's a directory inside the tar
13:12:42  <planetmaker> ok
13:13:20  <Alberth> it's fair if you decide not to fix that
13:13:34  <Alberth> imho openttd should give me the tar filename as well
13:15:16  <planetmaker> it should indeed
13:19:17  <planetmaker> but I could still fix that
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16:19:35  <DevZone> Project NML - NewGRF Meta Language build #178-nightlies: SUCCESS in 1 min 13 sec:
16:52:16  <DevZone> Project FIRS Industry Replacement Set build #63-push: SUCCESS in 4 min 44 sec:
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17:06:59  <DevZone> Project finnishtrams build #64-nightlies: SUCCESS in 37 sec:
17:22:38  <DevZone> Project Japanese Buildings build #52-nightlies: SUCCESS in 16 sec:
17:34:21  <DevZone> Project Finnish Rail Infrastructure - Rails build #166-nightlies: SUCCESS in 7 min 59 sec:
17:48:39  <DevZone> Project Iron Horse build #526-nightlies: SUCCESS in 1 min 17 sec:
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20:30:29  <andythenorth> Alberth: so did you try any gameplay with the FIRS economy? :)
20:31:31  <Alberth> I mentioned that yesterday to you, didn't I ? :)
20:31:40  <andythenorth> sorry - the new economy
20:31:45  * andythenorth wasn't being specific :(
20:32:05  <Alberth> I didn't play today, other than running that test for you
20:32:09  <andythenorth> ok :)
20:33:03  <Brot6> Revision 3878:0260b47d83ea: Update: Translations XeintsX @
20:41:26  <Brot6> Bug #6660 (New): English strings improvements XAlberthX @
20:42:02  <Alberth> Zuu:  ^
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20:49:24  <Zuu> Thanks for the suggestions. I'll incorporate those suggestions into the English strings.
20:52:46  <Brot6> Feature #6654 (Assigned): ЭПЛ2Т XGeorgeX @
20:52:46  <Brot6> Feature #6654 (Assigned): ЭПЛ2Т XGeorgeX @
20:55:50  <Alberth> yw :)
21:34:15  <juzza1> andythenorth: wrt TAL, do you know if there is a way to omit the creation of newlines for each tag? for example, always creates four empty lines even if the condition is false
21:34:35  <andythenorth> juzza1: only way I know of is to patch TAL
21:34:58  <andythenorth> you're writing tal for nml? :)
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21:36:00  <juzza1> yeah, at least attempting to :P
21:36:05  <andythenorth> he he
21:36:12  <andythenorth> it's maybe not the best templating system for nml
21:36:16  <andythenorth> it's design for html / xhtml
21:36:24  <andythenorth> I use it because I'm familiar with it
21:36:29  <andythenorth> and it's moderately fast
21:37:40  <juzza1> yeah. I was looking at the CF modules and it had chameleon, so I decided to give it a go
21:38:59  <andythenorth> because you're generating code, the newlines don't really matter
21:39:09  <andythenorth> formatting of generated code isn't that important imo
21:39:25  <juzza1> yeah, no real reason not to have them
21:39:29  <juzza1> just looks a bit ugly
21:39:32  <andythenorth> agree
21:39:43  <andythenorth> it bothers me when I have to read the generated output
21:39:46  <andythenorth> but not enough to fix it
21:40:08  <andythenorth> it could probably be improved by stripping excess newlines as a post-processing step
21:41:22  <andythenorth> hmm
21:41:23  <andythenorth>
21:41:24  <Webster> Title: Add support to repeat items with no new line inserted · Issue #110 · malthe/chameleon · GitHub (at
21:42:40  <andythenorth> looks like it might be fixed in 2.14
21:42:45  <andythenorth> using tal: namespace only
21:44:24  <juzza1> okay
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21:46:19  <Brot6> Bug #6661 (New): No Farm Supplies source in basic economies XDanMacKX @
22:01:11  <DevZone> Project finnishtrams build #65-push: SUCCESS in 37 sec:
22:07:14  <andythenorth> juzza1: what are you coding?  trams?
22:17:21  <Brot6> Revision 483:38e7f1f8d44d: Change: improved graphics for brit metro 1950 (closes #6655) XandythenorthX @
22:17:21  <Brot6> Revision 484:c6f73327f627: Feature: add a livestock car to brit NG XandythenorthX @
22:25:30  <juzza1> currently yes, though im making this generation thingy somewhat generic so it can be reused for some other projects
22:26:37  <juzza1> goal is to get everything from a table (like ) and write no code for new vehicles
22:26:38  <Webster> Title: Google Drive (at
22:28:25  <juzza1> special cases (like a horse tram) i will still write separately
22:37:42  <juzza1> but enough WTF-ing for today, off to bed ->
22:42:37  <andythenorth> juzza1: I gave up on the table route :)
22:42:46  <andythenorth> I had that for FISH and also an RV project
22:42:56  <andythenorth> now I configure directly in python, less stuff in the middle
22:43:02  <andythenorth> anyway, have fun :)
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