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00:26:01 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 00:42:57 *** skyem123 has quit IRC 01:58:09 *** gelignite_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 02:04:06 *** gelignite has quit IRC 04:32:38 *** gelignite_ has quit IRC 07:15:41 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 07:58:03 *** Supercheese has quit IRC 08:02:18 <DevZone> Project xussrset - Trains from Russia build #190-push: SUCCESS in 2 min 40 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/xussrset/190/ 08:12:33 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 08:41:15 <DevZone> Project ISR Industrial Station Renewal build #87-push: SUCCESS in 21 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/isr/87/ 09:13:08 *** Alberth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 10:15:19 *** skyem123 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 10:55:39 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 11:14:53 <DevZone> Project Dutch Trainset build #49-push: SUCCESS in 1 min 8 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/dutchtrains/49/ 11:17:11 *** frosch123 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:40:56 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:52:53 *** bob_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:53:43 <bob_> Dear All, I have recently downloaded OpenTTD for some nostalgic fun. However, I would like your opinions on the best Newgrfs to download...? 11:54:27 <planetmaker> mine! No mine! No mine! :) 11:54:34 *** yorick has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:55:48 <planetmaker> bob_, it highly depends on what you like, how you like to play, what is best for you 11:56:00 <planetmaker> there's several threads e.g. at tt-forums.net which discuss this 11:56:16 <bob_> Thanks, well firstly I was intruiged by the 32bpp idea.... 11:56:36 <planetmaker> there's not yet many NewGRFs with 32bpp 11:56:59 <bob_> Secondly, have a preference for UK steam 11:57:04 <planetmaker> you probably want to use the zBase base set 11:57:15 <bob_> Ok. Thank you, 11:57:20 <planetmaker> that provides 32bpp for everything. Then NewGRFs... 11:57:28 <planetmaker> not sure about 32bpp UK steam trains yet 11:57:29 <bob_> Does that include the vehicles? 11:57:39 <planetmaker> a base set is nothing but everything default 11:58:02 <planetmaker> it has to provide graphics - and nearly only graphics - for everything the game ships by default 11:58:31 <planetmaker> 8bpp NewGRFs might look a bit funny then 11:58:38 <bob_> ok. so it has the 32bpp for land/buildings/vehicles? 11:58:44 <bob_> Not just the land tiles 11:59:27 <bob_> Ok, so if I decide to not go 32bpp... 11:59:33 <bob_> Is the original 8bpp? 11:59:40 <bob_> And most of the addons 8bpp? 12:00:35 <planetmaker> Yes, but you can mix, no problem. 12:00:47 <planetmaker> just try :) 12:01:30 <bob_> Ok! thanks 12:01:34 *** bob_ has quit IRC 12:29:06 *** skyem123_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:36:12 *** skyem123 has quit IRC 12:39:21 *** skyem123_ has quit IRC 12:39:54 *** gelignite has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:40:30 *** skyem123_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:41:58 *** skyem123_ is now known as skyem123 13:00:04 <DevZone> Project Iron Horse build #606-push: SUCCESS in 1 min 13 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/iron-horse/606/ 13:03:19 <DevZone> Project Iron Horse build #607-push: SUCCESS in 1 min 10 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/iron-horse/607/ 13:20:05 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 13:22:26 *** oskari89 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 13:27:26 *** yorick has quit IRC 14:00:21 *** oskari892 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 14:06:57 *** oskari89 has quit IRC 15:00:26 *** oskari89 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:07:14 *** oskari892 has quit IRC 15:50:59 <DevZone> Project Planet of the apes: Ghat landscape set build #4-push: SUCCESS in 28 min: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/pota-ghat/4/ 15:51:25 <planetmaker> lengthy 15:52:56 <Alberth> yep 16:00:01 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:00:27 *** oskari892 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:07:16 *** oskari89 has quit IRC 16:18:30 <DevZone> Project NML - NewGRF Meta Language build #224-nightlies: SUCCESS in 44 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/nml/224/ 16:48:41 <DevZone> Project Dutch Trainset build #50-push: SUCCESS in 1 min 8 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/dutchtrains/50/ 16:49:57 <DevZone> Project xussrset - Trains from Russia build #191-push: SUCCESS in 2 min 36 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/xussrset/191/ 16:50:23 <DevZone> Project 2ccts build #4-push: SUCCESS in 26 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/2ccts/4/ 17:00:09 *** ODM has quit IRC 17:00:33 *** oskari89 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:01:59 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:06:11 *** ODM has quit IRC 17:07:19 *** oskari892 has quit IRC 17:11:05 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:17:01 <DevZone> Project Planet of the apes: Ghat landscape set build #5-push: SUCCESS in 28 min: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/pota-ghat/5/ 17:22:03 <DevZone> Project Japanese Buildings build #85-nightlies: SUCCESS in 17 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/jpbuild/85/ 17:22:59 <DevZone> Project eints build #19-nightlies: SUCCESS in 13 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/eints/19/ 17:32:27 <DevZone> Project ISR Industrial Station Renewal build #88-push: SUCCESS in 21 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/isr/88/ 17:33:54 <DevZone> Project Finnish Rail Infrastructure - Rails build #199-nightlies: SUCCESS in 8 min 8 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/frissrails/199/ 17:37:13 <DevZone> Project xussrset - Trains from Russia build #192-push: SUCCESS in 2 min 34 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/xussrset/192/ 17:41:06 <DevZone> Project skye-rail build #42-nightlies: FAILURE in 6.3 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/skye-rail/42/ 17:42:08 <planetmaker> hm, seems that my git knowledge is not good enough ^ 17:46:04 <frosch123> s/HEAD/master/ ? 17:47:40 <planetmaker> hm, that might be 17:48:00 <DevZone> Project Iron Horse build #608-nightlies: SUCCESS in 1 min 14 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/iron-horse/608/ 17:48:48 <DevZone> Project skye-rail build #43-nightlies: STILL FAILING in 2.3 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/skye-rail/43/ 17:56:56 <DevZone> Yippee, build fixed! 17:56:56 <DevZone> Project skye-rail build #44-nightlies: FIXED in 8.2 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/skye-rail/44/ 18:00:34 *** ODM has quit IRC 18:00:42 *** oskari892 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:00:51 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:01:35 *** ODM has quit IRC 18:02:25 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 18:03:41 <planetmaker> oskari89, I guess the ssh access to repos will remain for some time...https://confluence.atlassian.com/display/BITBUCKET/Set+up+SSH+for+Mercurial is a quick guide how to get a key :) 18:03:43 <Webster> Title: Set up SSH for Mercurial - Bitbucket - Atlassian Documentation (at confluence.atlassian.com) 18:07:26 *** oskari89 has quit IRC 18:10:47 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:17:14 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 18:35:18 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:38:26 <skyem123> Is it possible to use the ssh:// method to download from a repo you don't have write permissions for? 18:40:05 <planetmaker> if the key is installed yes. But just for read access I'd not install it. 18:40:28 <planetmaker> you mean it's faster? 18:41:57 <skyem123> Toitiose HG is throwing up errors when i use the ssh url to clone a repo 18:42:21 <planetmaker> ssh://hg@hg.o.o/PROJECTNAME 18:42:34 <planetmaker> works for read and write 18:43:36 <skyem123> remote: fatal: unrecognized command 'hg -R iron-horse serve --stdio' 18:43:53 <planetmaker> ah... hum 18:44:44 <planetmaker> your key is only authorized for git :D 18:44:54 <planetmaker> (and all other keys only for hg) 18:44:57 <skyem123> ... 18:45:01 <skyem123> wow 18:45:10 <planetmaker> It needs a special wrapper script to allow both 18:45:38 <planetmaker> there's ready-made wrappers to allow either. But both... not. Or I can allow 100% access including login. which I don't exactly want 18:45:45 <skyem123> sounds messy. 18:45:50 <planetmaker> exactly 18:46:03 <skyem123> Two seperate keys? 18:46:05 <planetmaker> restricting ssh to one command is standard 18:47:04 <planetmaker> why do you need to pull via ssh then? 18:48:04 <skyem123> Just for completeness. 18:48:18 <skyem123> (I'm odd like that) 18:49:08 <planetmaker> requesting write access 'just for completeness' is a rather weak argument ;) 18:50:43 <skyem123> I might want to try hg one day. :D 18:52:17 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 18:52:52 <planetmaker> maybe try now. But I'm not optimistic 18:56:54 <skyem123> I'm getting a diffent error. 18:57:09 <skyem123> [command returned code 255 Sun Jan 19 18:54:04 2014] 18:57:09 <skyem123> % hg --repository I:\NewGRF Coding\Projects\Iron Horse incoming ssh://hg@hg.openttdcoop.org/iron-horse 18:57:09 <skyem123> remote: Illegal repository "/home/hg/iron-horse" 18:59:27 <planetmaker> right. I've no quick and immediate solution. please clone from http://hg.o.o/PROJECTNAME for now 19:00:48 *** oskari89 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:07:33 *** oskari892 has quit IRC 19:09:17 <planetmaker> what was the URL you push to skye_rail? 19:09:28 <planetmaker> it was somewhat weired I recall :D 19:14:16 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:18:27 <skyem123> ssh://hg@hg.openttdcoop.org/~/skye_rail 19:20:51 <skyem123> and now it is giving me a compleatly diffenent error. 19:21:24 <skyem123> % hg --repository I:\NewGRF Coding\Projects\Iron Horse pull --verbose ssh://hg@hg.openttdcoop.org/iron-horse 19:21:24 <skyem123> running "C:\Program Files (x86)\PuTTY\Plink.exe" -ssh -2 -batch -C hg@hg.openttdcoop.org "hg -R iron-horse serve --stdio" 19:21:24 <skyem123> remote: fatal: unrecognized command 'hg -R iron-horse serve --stdio' 19:21:24 <skyem123> no suitable response from remote hg 19:21:25 <skyem123> [command returned code 255 Sun Jan 19 19:20:18 2014] 19:33:27 <planetmaker> that's the same as before 19:33:56 <planetmaker> I set your key back to the previous permissions so that you keep write access to your repo 19:34:51 <skyem123> Shoud i have 2 seperate keys? one for git and one for hg? will it work? 19:35:08 <planetmaker> it would, yes 19:35:49 * skyem123 starts generating a new key. 19:36:06 <planetmaker> unless you have write permission to the repo... why? 19:36:57 <skyem123> I want to make a sperate repo for my graphics files. 19:37:27 <skyem123> I was checking if i could pull. 19:37:49 <planetmaker> pull is always possible anonymous 19:37:59 <skyem123> I know. 19:38:19 <Alberth> it's highly inconvenient to split a project between several repos 19:39:40 <skyem123> My graphics are going to be modular. I also want them under a less restrictive licence (GPL is too restrictive for me). 19:40:14 <andythenorth> I wouldn't personally bother 19:40:37 * skyem123 loves to do things the complicated and long way. 19:40:43 <andythenorth> if you want *less* restrictive just do this: 19:40:45 <planetmaker> that's probably also a first, that I hear someone say 'GPL is too restrictive for my graphics' :D 19:40:52 <andythenorth> - GPL the project 19:41:04 <planetmaker> CC-BY the graphics 19:41:07 <andythenorth> - additional license specific assets within the project, which could be determined by a path 19:41:34 <andythenorth> dual licensing is absolutely fine, as long as the additional licenses are do not impinge GPL 19:42:52 <skyem123> gpl is copyleft. 19:43:31 <skyem123> everything that i use 19:43:44 * skyem123 meant to press backspace 19:44:11 <planetmaker> http://svn.wildfiregames.com/public/ps/trunk/binaries/data/mods/public/art/LICENSE.txt <-- they also use GPL. And separate licenses for some contributions 19:45:43 <skyem123> *when i use code / gfx that is under the GPL, anything that uses them has to be GPL 19:46:18 <andythenorth> skyem123: are you the copyright holder? 19:46:33 <skyem123> I used some code from nuTracks. 19:46:56 <andythenorth> but on the stuff you want to dual-license, you hold the copyright? 19:47:30 <skyem123> the graphics that I currently use are from nuTracks. 19:48:26 <andythenorth> that wasn't my exact question :) 19:49:34 <skyem123> My newGRF is basicly a simpler version of nuTracks with 4th rail 19:53:08 <skyem123> Are you talking about the graphics i was going to do? 19:54:21 <andythenorth> yes 19:54:27 <andythenorth> what do you want to dual license? 19:54:37 <andythenorth> you can't dual license other people's stuff anyway, obviously :) 19:55:05 <planetmaker> I understood that he wants his own graphics more free than GPL 19:55:47 <planetmaker> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/pota-ghat/push/LATEST/license.txt <-- that's how I separate licenses, skyem123 19:56:33 <skyem123> I want to have the graphics completely seperate. I like to stand well back from the complications of licences. 19:57:28 <andythenorth> planetmaker: this strictly might be a GPL problem ;) "If you distribute one of these files, you must release it (and any modifications you have made to it) under the CC-by-sa license." 19:57:58 <planetmaker> hm? 19:58:04 <andythenorth> because I could modify pota-ghat, and would need to distribute under GPL, but you would force me to carry your additional license, which is incompatible with GPL 19:58:27 <andythenorth> and we can't divorce the textures from the project, they are essential for compilation and execution 19:58:35 <andythenorth> but it's probably 'meh' tbh 19:58:56 <planetmaker> andythenorth, I basically use it in a very similar manner as it's used in 0ad where I got them from 19:59:06 <planetmaker> so if I do it wrong, they do it wrong themselves. Should be safe 19:59:18 <andythenorth> yair, we could go mad over licensing 19:59:22 <planetmaker> quite 19:59:30 <planetmaker> and quite annoying and unproductive 20:00:06 <planetmaker> skyem123, so you want a git or hg repo for graphics? 20:00:11 <planetmaker> should I create one? 20:00:24 <planetmaker> then I should do it now, I won't stay awake much longer today, I guess 20:00:56 *** oskari892 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:02:15 <skyem123> hg. I want to try hg. I'll send you a public key in private chat. 20:04:40 <skyem123> is that ok? 20:04:44 <planetmaker> yes 20:04:56 <planetmaker> public keys in public chat are also ok :D 20:05:19 <skyem123> I don't want to spam the chat 20:05:28 <skyem123> :D 20:05:41 <planetmaker> biggest spammer are the bots here ;) 20:05:50 <Alberth> ever looked at the spam created by helpful butlers here? :) 20:06:01 <planetmaker> ^^ :) 20:06:43 <skyem123> ok then. 20:06:45 <skyem123> ssh-rsa AAAAB3NzaC1yc2EAAAABJQAAAQEAh1TQhoaGnNuJ7+kOALpaNH68Dkp8AjfWP5PqytS6zEx7s/wGH3G981U39ZOPMk0EW87IdY+9qua+likCGN/ukv8A4XXuZ1EmKtc1XBtsJdmVOMgVGvmIoVnPqGFo7p75DMdHVLOSohcfDdnlWP3b/Gw2PFBINNQlKzi3bNzNhRdXJwFVKrvM6u1J6K2RXq3JlBTdYCXJJ9XAQz81wR5RGJjj38bFlHkp0aDqj0qwnfs4f1eOu3MwYnQZSLw8D6Oq3Ku/3J9xEBRA6+YUrX2JLE4NJILt5JRoTP9P0wLyNal6JOK/PFnbY3uZA6qOHqps6YyOzMInsWcjibc+4m6yuQ== skyem123's key for HG access 20:07:39 *** oskari89 has quit IRC 20:07:50 <planetmaker> installed 20:08:08 *** Supercheese has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:09:46 <skyem123> i can now clone a hg repo! Thanks! 20:09:52 <planetmaker> yw 20:11:56 <skyem123> Wonder when http will work... 20:12:28 <planetmaker> how *when*? 20:12:42 <planetmaker> http clone always worked 20:13:09 <skyem123> http push. 20:13:23 <planetmaker> as soon as I add proper authentication to rhodecode 20:13:32 <planetmaker> or as soon as someone else does that 20:14:07 <planetmaker> I don't want to add yet another user database to rhodecode, independent of Redmine 20:14:32 <planetmaker> I want them to use the same account 20:14:53 <planetmaker> till that works: ssh and no https push 20:15:35 *** oskari892 has quit IRC 20:16:09 <skyem123> Duplication is not a good thing for systems like openttdcoop devzpne 20:16:15 <planetmaker> exactly 20:16:23 <planetmaker> and openttdcoop has way too much duplication already 20:16:45 <planetmaker> it's overall a tricky setup meanwhile 20:17:37 <planetmaker> and too few manpower to get in proper shape 20:17:43 <skyem123> sounds messy. 20:18:00 <planetmaker> not exactly messy 20:18:06 <planetmaker> but single sign-on would be nice 20:18:38 <skyem123> like openttd.org 20:19:26 <planetmaker> basically, yes 20:22:50 <planetmaker> I actually sometimes wonder whether it's feasible to make it one account for openttd / openttdcoop :) 20:23:06 <skyem123> I bet it isn't easy to set up though. 20:23:28 <planetmaker> if it were all easy (for me), I'd have done it ;) 20:26:18 <skyem123> It would be nice if there was a unerversal standard for login systems 20:29:12 <Alberth> never going to happen in open source 20:29:29 <andythenorth> there are of course standards :) 20:29:34 <planetmaker> http://xkcd.com/927/ <<--- ? 20:29:35 <Webster> Title: xkcd: Standards (at xkcd.com) 20:29:41 <andythenorth> I knew that was coming :) 20:29:52 <planetmaker> :P it was asking for it, really! 20:30:04 <skyem123> i know that one. it is very true. 20:30:12 <planetmaker> absolutely 20:34:52 *** Alberth has left #openttdcoop.devzone 20:36:30 <DevZone> Project Iron Horse build #609-push: SUCCESS in 1 min 18 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/iron-horse/609/ 20:47:23 *** yorick has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:00:57 <skyem123> andythenorth, what modules does Iron Horse need to have to compile? 21:01:22 <andythenorth> hrm 21:01:25 <andythenorth> chameleon 21:01:29 <andythenorth> maybe markdown 21:01:44 <andythenorth> and the nml deps (pylex, pillow) 21:04:01 <DevZone> Project Iron Horse build #610-push: SUCCESS in 1 min 11 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/iron-horse/610/ 21:07:12 <DevZone> Project Iron Horse build #611-push: SUCCESS in 1 min 11 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/iron-horse/611/ 21:26:15 *** skyem123 has quit IRC 21:32:54 <DevZone> Project Iron Horse build #612-push: SUCCESS in 1 min 12 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/iron-horse/612/ 21:34:08 <DevZone> Project Iron Horse build #613-push: SUCCESS in 1 min 11 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/iron-horse/613/ 21:58:15 <DevZone> Project Iron Horse build #614-push: SUCCESS in 1 min 12 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/iron-horse/614/ 22:05:46 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 22:07:41 *** andythenorth has left #openttdcoop.devzone 22:33:47 *** gelignite has quit IRC