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04:01:21 *** Supercheese has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 06:53:03 *** LSky` has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 07:17:22 *** LSky` has quit IRC 09:31:49 *** Supercheese has quit IRC 10:54:28 <DevZone> Project 2ccts build #349-push: SUCCESS in 1 min 42 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/2ccts/349/ 14:34:53 *** LSky` has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:19:14 *** erlehmann has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:48:25 <DevZone> Project road-hog build #454-push: SUCCESS in 37 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/road-hog/454/ 16:49:36 *** frosch123 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:52:52 <DevZone> Project World Airliner Set build #529-push: SUCCESS in 3 min 49 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/worldairlinersset/529/ 17:01:01 *** erlehmann has quit IRC 17:07:04 *** Alberth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:11:42 <DevZone> Project OpenGFX+ Landscape build #64-push: SUCCESS in 24 min: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/ogfx-landscape/64/ 17:31:04 *** oskari89 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:38:01 <Alberth> planetmaker: actually I have a question about the landscape thingie I translated yesterday: http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-landscape/repository/diff/lang/english.lng?utf8=%E2%9C%93&rev=88b5d4289513&rev_to=c8f3589fd036 17:38:01 <Alberth> is "allowed" height good there, shouldn't it be "available" height? 17:39:00 <Alberth> and then there is the question how "allowed" and "maximum" relate there 17:40:39 <planetmaker> with 'allowed height' I mean the setting of the maximum height you set on map generation. No tile can be higher (hard limit). The actually highest tile can be much lower though 17:41:14 <planetmaker> probably allowed and maximum should be replaced by the same word... 17:41:20 <planetmaker> not sure which :) 17:42:36 <Alberth> "allowed" to me means to me a (upper) limit here, ie a bigger value cannot exist 17:43:21 <Alberth> (it would be an error) 17:43:41 <planetmaker> well. Currently you can set a maximum allowed height. And the absolute height of course is limited to 255 whatever that setting. But the user should not care, I guess 17:43:57 <planetmaker> Not sure actually whether one can change that heightlevel setting after map creation 17:44:28 <Alberth> probably not, newgrf parameters cannot be changed in-game 17:44:46 <planetmaker> it's not a newgrf paramter. I mean the setting for map generation 17:44:55 <planetmaker> but as newgrfs can read it... probably not safe :) 17:45:22 <Alberth> you might be able to change it using rcon :) 17:46:17 <planetmaker> I don't think it should work in multiplayer. As NewGRFs can read it and depend their action on it. Like OpenGFX+Landscape :) 17:47:13 <planetmaker> Do you have a good suggestion on how to reword the English to make it clearer? 17:47:21 <Alberth> but anyway, wouldn't it be easier to talk about highest available height? whether I use 160 or 14 doesn't matter much if the highest tile is at height 10 (assuming max height to be 64 for example) 17:47:57 <planetmaker> highest availabe = highest tile I could create, yes? 17:48:23 <Alberth> no, the highest tile after map generation 17:48:32 <planetmaker> the newgrf doesn't care about how the map actually looks. The parameters don't care about that either 17:49:15 <Alberth> is there a difference in my example at all? 17:49:30 <Alberth> ie, bigger than max height vs too high in my map 17:50:12 <planetmaker> hm, I guess I start to get what you mean :) Slightly different than what I did :) 17:50:26 <planetmaker> so you want to say: if there's no higher tile around, there won't be snow 17:50:38 <planetmaker> I wanted to say: if there cannot be a higher tile, there can never be snow 17:51:03 <Alberth> that seems easier than talking about max height which is purely theoretical in many cases 17:51:08 <planetmaker> your case can be changed by terraforming, rising a mountain, so that there might actually appear snow 17:51:26 <planetmaker> you're right 17:51:44 <planetmaker> so... I guess we could even use your formulation 17:52:19 <Alberth> terraforming is fine, if the highest available tile is above the limit, you get snow :) 17:53:36 <planetmaker> If there is no tile higher than this level, there will be no snow. For OpenTTD < 1.5.0 and earlier than r27010 the maximum terrain height is 15. 17:53:38 <Alberth> s/\<if\>/iff/ :) 17:53:39 <planetmaker> ^ like that? 17:54:06 <planetmaker> ... no tile can be higher than 15. 17:54:12 <planetmaker> instead of maximum... 17:54:36 <Alberth> it's extra information, but it would be fine I think 17:57:14 <planetmaker> ok, I'll then change it to "If there is no tile higher than this level, there will be no snow. For OpenTTD < 1.5.0 and earlier than r27010 no tile can be higher than 15." 17:57:42 <Alberth> hmm, double negation is not so nice 17:58:06 <planetmaker> ah 17:58:09 <planetmaker> yes :) 17:58:33 <Alberth> Tiles above this level get snow. For OpenTTD < 1.5.0 and earlier than r27010 tiles are always below 16. 17:59:37 <Alberth> for the versions, I said something like "For OpenTTD versions before 1.5.0 or r27010, ..." in the translation 18:00:53 <planetmaker> Tiles above this level will be snowy. For OpenTTD versions earlier than 1.5.0 or r27010 no tile can be higher than 15. 18:03:05 <planetmaker> yes, let's use ^ 18:03:20 <Alberth> +1 18:07:06 <planetmaker> I pushed the lang file update 18:07:13 <planetmaker> now building for 30 minutes :P 18:08:06 *** oskari892 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:09:06 <planetmaker> hm, I just learnt that our scotish gaelic translator is a she :) 18:10:07 <planetmaker> seems she totally overhauled wideland's string system :) 18:10:20 <Alberth> nice :) 18:10:36 <Alberth> now she tries to do the same with ours? :) 18:11:04 <planetmaker> I don't think so. I mean... she got already a new language in OpenTTD and a new plural version :P 18:11:21 <Alberth> :D 18:11:38 <planetmaker> just the official wideland news refer to the nick as 'she' 18:12:07 <frosch123> what if the news author was a she? 18:12:18 <planetmaker> but I've seen that nick active in several projects 18:12:37 <planetmaker> "This endeavor was spearheaded by GunChleoc. She showed very strong dedication..." is quite clear :) 18:14:23 <frosch123> well, yes, but what should have been used if the new author did not know the gender? 18:14:36 <frosch123> sure, this is more of a personal message, so they likely know 18:15:06 <frosch123> but still... most of the time i refer to unknown people as "he", but sometimes i use "she" just because 18:15:23 <planetmaker> :) 18:15:37 *** oskari89 has quit IRC 18:15:51 <frosch123> btw. widelands news need a proper date sytem 18:15:52 <Alberth> dedicated persons are welcome no matter what gender :) 18:16:07 <frosch123> at least i hope it's not my locale that makes them use mm--dd-yy 18:16:28 <planetmaker> it's same here, yes 18:16:43 <frosch123> i thought it was a recent news item :p 18:17:35 <planetmaker> :P 18:18:59 <planetmaker> oh, they use bazaar as vcs 18:22:44 <Alberth> I used that too, before switching to hg :) 18:22:56 <planetmaker> :) 18:23:08 <planetmaker> how did you solve your yesterday's issues, btw? 18:23:20 <Alberth> I used histedit 18:23:36 <planetmaker> actually I think currently, if you don't want anything development extension, mq can be used for parts of that, too 18:23:49 *** gelignite has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:23:53 <planetmaker> but good if histedit did the trick for you 18:24:01 <planetmaker> did you enable phase=draft for you generally? 18:24:13 <planetmaker> I very much would recommend that :) 18:24:31 <Alberth> ah yes, that was an important step, thanks for that 18:24:35 <Alberth> I made it default 18:24:50 <planetmaker> :) I even have it as secret, but that's a matter of taste 18:25:04 <planetmaker> thus I won't accidentially push anything which I didn't change phase on 18:25:31 <Alberth> makes sense 18:25:38 <planetmaker> and allows me to keep unfinished commits in the same repo and still push :) 18:25:59 <Alberth> on the other hand, i n all the years of public by default, nothing bad happened either :) 18:26:22 <planetmaker> no. changing it to draft is the setting which doesn't affect your workflow at all 18:26:26 <Alberth> maybe that's the difference, I tend to make a new clone for hacking 18:26:30 <planetmaker> secret allows slightly different ones 18:26:39 <planetmaker> yes, then that's not needed :) 18:26:56 <planetmaker> and with hg a good practise actually 18:26:59 <Alberth> and push is then to the mirror clone rather than the remote repo 18:27:20 <Alberth> yeah, but bookmarks seem to change that somewhat 18:27:44 <planetmaker> yes... though I'm not totally at friends with them yet 18:28:41 <Alberth> I tried finding a working evolve for some time, but all pages led to a dead end 18:29:07 <Alberth> although I am not sure I am ready for that, the last time I tried I had a hard time understanding what was happening 18:29:14 <planetmaker> I have locally mercurial and evolve repos and update them at the same time 18:29:32 <planetmaker> that makes it usually easier to get the right version for evolve 18:29:35 <Alberth> really bleeding edge :p 18:29:35 <DevZone> Project OpenGFX+ Landscape build #65-push: SUCCESS in 23 min: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/ogfx-landscape/65/ 18:29:51 <planetmaker> well, I only use stable hg or rcs, thus their tags 18:30:18 <planetmaker> not into their development repos (yet?) :P 18:31:07 <planetmaker> must keep myself informed when supporting devzone. That's my excuse ;) 18:31:17 <Alberth> the next problem was a lack of hg-enabled FreeRCT repos yesterday :p 18:31:30 <planetmaker> "hg-enabled"? 18:31:42 <Alberth> and somewhat, a lack of code review from hg 18:31:57 <planetmaker> well, if you like, you can well have a repo or two at devzone 18:32:03 <Alberth> "hg -enabled" as in a hg mirror to push to :) 18:32:37 <Alberth> I know, but the lord considers it wrong :) 18:32:42 <planetmaker> where did the previous one go to? 18:32:54 <planetmaker> *previous repo 18:33:20 <Alberth> we still have svn at google code, which is the first repo 18:33:31 <Alberth> except perhaps some stuff I had locally 18:33:42 <planetmaker> uh, right 18:33:47 <Alberth> lord aro added a GH mirror 18:33:52 <planetmaker> hgsubversion for the rescue :) 18:34:02 <Alberth> and an automagic Travis build script thingie 18:34:09 <planetmaker> that's not a bad thing, no 18:34:28 <Alberth> yep, I use hgsubversion to make a local hg mirror 18:34:44 <Alberth> I tried pushing with it at work, but that ended in disaster 18:34:57 <planetmaker> :( 18:35:11 <Alberth> hg accepted change sets, and on push SVN refused them :p 18:35:27 <planetmaker> he 18:35:37 <planetmaker> you should report it as bug to hgsubversion :) 18:35:56 <planetmaker> but meh, that's tedious work, too :) 18:35:56 <Alberth> so it popped up a merge editor 18:36:03 <planetmaker> ups? 18:36:09 <Alberth> and hard to reproduce 18:36:39 <Alberth> at the time, I made a clone of the repo, and was the only person working in it 18:36:44 <planetmaker> :) 18:37:03 <Alberth> so there should have been no conflict at all 18:37:25 <planetmaker> maybe file properties or so 18:37:51 <Alberth> but at the size of the changes we do at work, it's no fun figuring out what is wrong, or what part is missing etc 18:38:13 <planetmaker> nope, not at all. It's only annoying 18:40:11 *** Supercheese has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:40:29 <DevZone> Project road-hog build #455-nightlies: SUCCESS in 28 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/road-hog/455/ 18:51:20 <Alberth> hmm, "eints" seems to like changing strings, it's author of some strings :) 18:51:34 <frosch123> whitespace 18:51:37 <planetmaker> hm 18:51:39 <planetmaker> :) 18:51:52 <frosch123> whenever there is a new project or something, or a custom lang file upload 18:52:01 <frosch123> eints will fix whitespace on next push 18:53:29 <Alberth> wouldn't it be caused if the project owner changes a language file, and gets pushed to eints? 18:54:11 <Alberth> there is no proper translator credit in the language file itself 18:54:37 <frosch123> ah, that way 18:54:42 <frosch123> i thought in the commit message 18:55:12 <frosch123> but yes, first upload counts as "eints" 18:55:14 <planetmaker> commit message works for me 18:55:28 <planetmaker> pretty well on my projects 18:55:37 <Alberth> https://translator.openttdcoop.org/string/ogfx-landscape/nl_NL/STR_ERR_NO_FENCES <-- that one is by Eints, according to the translator 18:55:39 <frosch123> if commits are only whitespace, eints will change the file, but not print credits 18:56:03 <frosch123> (which is correct, but gives half-empty commit messages) 19:08:06 *** oskari89 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:14:58 *** oskari892 has quit IRC 19:20:03 *** Supercheese has quit IRC 19:24:13 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:03:43 *** erlehmann has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:04:43 *** erlehmann has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:05:12 *** erlehmann has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:08:12 *** oskari892 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:11:17 *** erlehmann has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:12:43 *** oskari89 has quit IRC 20:15:55 *** oskari892 has quit IRC 20:18:42 *** erlehmann has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:18:55 *** erlehmann has quit IRC 20:23:56 *** erlehmann has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:54:35 *** Alberth has quit IRC 21:55:57 *** LSky` has quit IRC 21:59:08 *** andythenorth has left #openttdcoop.devzone 22:03:05 *** gelignite has quit IRC 22:47:05 *** Supercheese has joined #openttdcoop.devzone