Log for #openttdcoop.nightly on 23rd August 2012:
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18:40:45  <Yexo> planetmaker:
18:41:02  <planetmaker> !getsave
18:41:12  <planetmaker> ah... something's missing :-P
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18:45:46  <Nachtigall> Autopilot engaged
18:45:46  <Nachtigall> Loading savegame: 'Nachtigall'
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18:50:34  <planetmaker> Yexo: 1960 is right?
18:51:01  <Yexo> yep
18:51:03  <Nachtigall> *** pl4netmaker has joined company #1
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18:51:20  <Yexo> can be changed of course
18:51:25  <planetmaker> !rcn pause
18:51:27  <Yexo> !pause
18:51:28  <planetmaker> !rcon pause
18:51:29  <Nachtigall> Yexo: you must be channel op to use !pause
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18:51:42  <planetmaker> !rcon set min_active_clients 6
18:51:42  <Nachtigall> *** Game paused (number of players)
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18:55:26  <planetmaker> !playercount
18:55:26  <Nachtigall> planetmaker: Number of players: 6
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18:56:57  <andythenorth> game on?
18:57:02  <planetmaker> yes
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18:57:13  <planetmaker> I just paused the server so we don't needlessly run out of time ;-)
18:57:25  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> did we miss the goals message? :)
18:57:26  <planetmaker> we already lost 17 days ;-)
18:57:27  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> again 7 years, but 50k cargo this time
18:57:27  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> Coal, Food and Gold
18:57:37  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> Food will be interesting
18:57:39  <planetmaker> boah... that's a challange
18:57:43  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> Coal should be easy
18:57:57  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> start with coal to make money?
18:57:59  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> Can we plan for 3 mins or so? :)
18:57:59  <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (number of players)
18:58:10  <planetmaker> yes. maybe we should plan
18:58:29  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> ships give us cheap infrastructure when money is tight
18:58:31  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> I don't know if the news at start is possible to catch in MP as clients usually end up connecting at least a tick after it started and then that is too late.
18:58:33  <Nachtigall> <frosch> it's so  hard to find a clean checkout
18:58:35  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> but ships deliver slowly
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18:58:42  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> hi frosch :-)
18:58:52  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> I also was lazy... and downloaded it :-P
18:59:06  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> I had it from yesterday
18:59:10  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> I'm not sure how active I will be tonight.
18:59:25  <Nachtigall> <frosch> lol, no, if i join a game then with debug symbols and core dumps enabled :p
18:59:37  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I think we should build two big spine rail lines in an X
18:59:41  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> N-S
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18:59:44  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> and W-E
18:59:50  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> we can't start that big
18:59:56  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> no
19:00:02  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> but we can work towards that?
19:00:23  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> and dump loads onto it with ships  / trams
19:01:10  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> how many years we have?
19:01:10  <planetmaker> meh, I want my new computer... the laptop is small :-P
19:01:10  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> 7 years
19:01:11  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> 50k goals? :o
19:01:13  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> start from 11 and 22 to /dest?
19:01:15  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> hard :P
19:01:15  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> 1960 to 1967
19:01:33  <Nachtigall> <frosch> damn, found a bug
19:01:35  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> It will be very hard I say. But a bit better engines than last
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19:01:57  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> that's not long, yexo
19:02:20  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> true, but it can be expended to the west
19:02:35  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> see /final
19:02:42  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> need to move farm cargos early
19:02:56  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> what about dest2?
19:03:22  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> do we have enough money to start with that?
19:03:56  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> loan is 300 000 this time
19:04:10  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> completely forgot about the loan
19:04:12  <Nachtigall> *** frosch has joined company #1
19:04:14  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> Start with /dest so that we don't lose and then expand to /dest2
19:04:14  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> I just borrowed all we can get
19:04:22  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> seems fine
19:04:26  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> and repayed a bit ;-)
19:04:28  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> shall we start?
19:04:30  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> Althoug it would have been nice with a dest between /dest and /dest2
19:04:30  <Nachtigall> * andythen0rth is checking other cargos for money makers
19:04:32  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> start!
19:04:35  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> yes
19:04:45  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> tl 5 again?
19:04:51  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> but let's try this. I prefer a bit dest2 over final. More space
19:04:51  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> someone build the main train line first?
19:05:01  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> TL5 and right side traffic :-)
19:05:05  <Nachtigall> <frosch> oh, i thought there is a specific destination for the cargo
19:05:07  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> when we have a train line I plan to build some trams for gold...
19:05:15  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> Build in pause!
19:05:18  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> cheatah
19:05:22  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> frosch: anywhere!
19:05:25  <Yexo> @op
19:05:27  <planetmaker> !rcon pause
19:05:27  <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players)
19:05:31  <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (number of players)
19:05:33  <planetmaker> !rcon unpause
19:05:33  <Nachtigall> planetmaker: players
19:05:33  <Nachtigall> planetmaker: server_info
19:05:33  <Nachtigall> planetmaker: clients
19:05:33  <Nachtigall> planetmaker: echo doneclientcount
19:05:33  <Nachtigall> planetmaker: #:1(Orange) Company Name: 'Unnamed'  Year Founded: 1960  Money: 265952  Loan: 270000  Value: 1  (T:0, R:0, P:0, S:0) unprotected
19:05:33  <Nachtigall> planetmaker: you have 11 more messages
19:05:45  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> frosch: It could be implemented, but not currently
19:05:51  <planetmaker> !rcon set min_active_clients 4
19:05:51  <Nachtigall> *** Game unpaused (number of players)
19:06:02  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> anywhere more fun right now
19:06:37  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> dump trucks just arrived :)
19:06:51  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> Which engine?
19:06:53  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> farms will be hard
19:07:08  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> Kelling?
19:07:10  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> farms we need to just dump to nearest processor, then get the food out to nearest town I think
19:07:32  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> Senfield Farm looks good for trams :)
19:08:35  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> our first train is built?  I can spend some money?
19:08:45  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> please!
19:08:52  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> Should we not connect the second mine?
19:08:55  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> yes
19:08:55  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> btw I found subsidies really worth doing to get money in my game
19:09:09  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> coal will definitely get done, I would only connect as much as we need for money right now
19:09:09  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> and have a train there + a few passing points
19:09:11  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> hm, do we have train?
19:09:13  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> then do farms ASAP
19:09:19  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> We have one train
19:09:34  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> It will take some time before it delivers
19:10:00  <Nachtigall> <frosch> i would think gold is hardest
19:10:06  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> perhaps
19:10:06  <Nachtigall> <frosch> gold mines have so low production
19:10:16  <Nachtigall> <frosch> while farms produce actually a lot
19:10:22  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> ups... I accidentially built a train at the middle plant
19:10:44  <Nachtigall> *** andythen0rth has left the game (leaving)
19:11:19  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> where food plant to use?
19:11:26  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> nearest to any farm
19:11:29  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> at FP?
19:11:37  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> why nearest?
19:11:47  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> ach fair point
19:11:58  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> what about fp2?
19:12:06  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> Not many farms yet
19:12:12  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> But more around fp2
19:12:30  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> 10 % - 20% longer routes could mean missing goal by 10% - 20%
19:12:30  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> ok, FP2
19:12:36  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> gives us the ability to reuse the coal line from "farms"
19:12:48  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> andy: distance doesn't mean that really
19:12:58  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> it mostly means more money to better build
19:13:04  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> well let's see
19:13:06  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I'm easy
19:13:40  <Nachtigall> <frosch> then also b1 in that same area?
19:13:46  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> currently trams are dropping at Senfield Food Processing Plant, but nothing is picking up there
19:14:21  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> use diagonal leveling :-)
19:14:31  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> do towns accept food in summer?
19:14:34  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> it's not seasonal acceptance?
19:14:41  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> I completely forgot about that feature
19:15:25  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> short vehicle root from FPP  to nearest town?
19:15:29  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> Is seasonal acceptance a NewGRF feature or was it in TTD too?
19:15:39  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> in TTD
19:15:45  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> pm: sounds good
19:15:47  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> but ... food is always accepted
19:15:49  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> but we're out of money already
19:15:57  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> it's only growth that's seasonal here?
19:16:09  <Nachtigall> <frosch> ttd has no varying snowline
19:16:15  <Nachtigall> <frosch> so there are no seasons :)
19:16:17  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> please, on passing lanes, use one-way
19:16:23  <Nachtigall> <frosch> anyway, acceptance is decided by the houses built
19:16:29  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> yay
19:16:31  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> money
19:16:53  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> or trains overtake eachother from passing lane to passing lane
19:16:56  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> separate pickup for grain/livestock, right?
19:17:02  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I'd consider doing subsidies, esp. if PAX and can be done with Ships
19:17:10  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> probably good idea
19:17:12  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> a PAX subsidy can pay cost of ship in one trip
19:17:34  <Nachtigall> <frosch> is there a vehicle autorefittable to  livestock and grain? :p
19:17:56  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> I fear not
19:18:18  <Nachtigall> <frosch> yeah only one livestock van
19:20:24  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> I've a farm which needs two trains
19:20:31  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> near the coal drop
19:20:34  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> food is now moving
19:21:00  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> which engine do we use? CS4000 or Kelling?
19:21:50  <Nachtigall> <frosch> flat terrain, so proably kelling
19:22:04  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> I used Kelling before
19:22:07  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> k, was my choice, too
19:22:15  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> I copied from others, so kelling too
19:22:17  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> then let's keep that
19:22:31  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> it's also faster -> better in flat conditions
19:22:53  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> we need to double-track the coal line asap
19:22:59  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> yes
19:23:26  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> and I need 31k to clone a profitable train
19:23:36  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> double that, two trains
19:24:06  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> done
19:24:24  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> Still money is needed for double track too
19:24:32  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> working on that now
19:24:54  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> Good
19:25:00  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> I need another 30k for a train or so
19:25:11  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> grain
19:25:57  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> or first double track?
19:26:03  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> buy train first
19:26:21  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> both now :)
19:26:23  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> done
19:26:29  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> the train
19:28:57  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I need to build a gold train at Bratbourne - money ok?
19:29:23  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> I think so, I work on double tracking at south but does not use so much
19:30:18  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> why did train 9 stop?
19:32:44  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> lol
19:32:54  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> o_O
19:33:02  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> lots of gold to go
19:33:04  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> you finish that ;)
19:33:06  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> That is not even station walking:)
19:33:44  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> andythen0rth: Do you build a tram, or shall I?
19:33:48  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> you shall :)
19:34:38  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> waiting for 11k then
19:35:12  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> done
19:35:22  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> next gold tram being built now
19:36:17  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> Coal: 4860 Food: 1755 Gold: 160 (at january)
19:36:40  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> which tram for gold?
19:36:43  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> Zuuu: sondstone
19:36:57  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> Yexo: biggest, short refit
19:37:00  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> faster
19:37:07  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> andy: which is?
19:37:17  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> ishuziichicia
19:37:20  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> andythen0rth: ok
19:37:22  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> ho
19:37:32  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> thanks
19:37:34  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> a gift of a ship route at Bronnbridge
19:37:37  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> * Brondinghall
19:38:07  <Nachtigall> <frosch> what? why does sedingham accept food?
19:38:30  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> enough houses there?
19:38:58  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> check with station build tool. Just hover
19:39:16  <Nachtigall> <frosch> well, i thought only snowy houses would accept it
19:41:39  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> No...
19:41:42  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> train?
19:41:49  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> train for wheat, tram for livestock?
19:42:50  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> agh no money :)
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19:47:14  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> how long left? :o
19:47:19  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> 4 years
19:47:21  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> woah :)
19:49:33  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> Coal: 8100 | Food: 6075 | Gold: 3092
19:49:56  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> at 50k we probably need to prio one cargo?
19:50:13  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I am adding a lot of coal connections
19:50:23  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I think we could get food too, but we're short of cash :P
19:50:31  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> I'm building farms
19:50:34  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> all gold is already connected by now, isn't it?
19:50:36  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> *farm connections
19:50:56  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> pl4netmaker: Thanks, otherwise we would know why we are low on cach :-p
19:51:38  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> Pluntborough Market gold mine not connected
20:01:53  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> :o
20:03:06  <Nachtigall> <frosch> he, who built a road service at a 189 ton coal mine? :p
20:03:08  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> guess :P
20:03:14  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I think it's bad value :P
20:03:26  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> HEQS buy costs are too high wrt trains
20:03:36  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> Link "even better mine w farm" via food factory to network?
20:03:40  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> Or is that a too long detour
20:03:50  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> where?
20:03:52  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> frosch: feel free to scrap :P
20:03:52  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> Though it could use a different powerplant to make money
20:03:55  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> See sig
20:03:57  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> n
20:04:12  <Nachtigall> <frosch> if you had at least built trams :)
20:04:16  <Nachtigall> *** Yexo has left the game (general timeout)
20:04:16  <Nachtigall> *** Yexo has left the game (connection lost)
20:04:32  <Nachtigall> * pl4netmaker built no road service ever today {;-)}
20:04:38  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> There is a power plant up north that we could use instead
20:04:41  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> The mine is 160 tones
20:04:54  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> why another powerplant?
20:04:56  <Nachtigall> *** Yexo has left the game (downloading map took too long)
20:04:56  <Nachtigall> *** Yexo has left the game (connection lost)
20:05:02  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> Because it have to take a detour to our powerplant
20:05:37  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> I start building and you decide powerplant:-)
20:06:14  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> nah, I build a farm connection :-P
20:06:24  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> ach the baby woke up :o
20:06:26  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> biab I guess
20:06:36  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> ifat all :P
20:07:00  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> what was the goal message this year?
20:07:31  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> 14040 | 12735 | 12104
20:17:19  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> coal is done, we need to increase food and gold still
20:19:09  <Nachtigall> <frosch> trying to increase the food transport, was only 54% :p
20:23:14  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> massive train jam :(
20:23:36  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> where?
20:23:43  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> mostly gone now
20:23:49  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> exit food factory
20:24:56  <Nachtigall> * andythen0rth back
20:25:06  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> For nogoal it'd be really nice if one could check on the goal anytime
20:25:09  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> +1
20:25:12  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> and how much you fulfilled
20:25:44  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> Agreed
20:26:02  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> money not a problem any more :P
20:27:36  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> the whole south is only scarcly develloped
20:28:26  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> we clearly started with the north
20:28:46  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> are we still on only one powerplant?
20:28:54  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I have connected lots randomly
20:29:16  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> for rail I think there is only one power plant
20:29:16  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> too many ships :o
20:29:18  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> fruck
20:29:41  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> 10 :o
20:30:23  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> still need more food
20:30:51  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> coal done, food at 31k gold at 34k
20:39:09  <planetmaker> !rcon set max_ships 500
20:39:54  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> infra maintenance was off this game
20:40:13  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> ah
20:40:29  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> place your bets :P
20:40:33  <Nachtigall> <frosch> at least you can affort statues everywhere :p
20:40:39  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> 2 months left :P
20:40:45  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> we made food but not gold I think
20:40:45  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> all lost ;-)
20:40:55  <Nachtigall> <frosch> i tried to increase gold a bit
20:41:25  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> hm, we made one at least
20:41:52  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> gold goal is gone
20:42:30  <Nachtigall> <frosch> how can you tell?
20:42:58  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> No, the coal goal is done
20:43:06  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> Now food i sdone too
20:43:12  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> nice :-)
20:43:18  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> just fulfilled
20:43:39  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> frick
20:43:41  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> so close :P
20:43:43  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> close call
20:43:47  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> just "620"
20:43:49  <Nachtigall> <frosch> awe 620 tons :(
20:43:51  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> Oh, the window worked this time
20:43:53  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> I'm amazed
20:43:55  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> there was a gold tram with unconnected track :P
20:43:55  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> But very close indeed
20:43:58  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I just fixed it :(
20:44:01  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> we did better than I thought
20:44:11  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> Yep
20:44:14  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> need a bigger goal :P
20:44:20  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> Very close on the food goal
20:44:20  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> would be a good competition :-)
20:44:20  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> try it in 1870
20:44:22  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> we didn't even reach this one
20:44:36  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> food was going very fast in the end
20:44:39  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> head to head is the next step I think :)
20:44:53  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> With all our money we could have bought statues to win this game?
20:44:55  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> Zuuu: would you do head to head same cargos?  Or different?
20:45:05  <Nachtigall> <frosch> problem with food for a long time was, while we brought lots of stuff to the plant, we did not collect it :p
20:45:19  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> yep
20:45:21  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> he :-P
20:45:29  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> and only in the last month did I/someone add some extra platforms there
20:45:31  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> Everyone thought anotherone would (have) setup that?
20:45:49  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> next time - more than 10 ships please :)
20:45:51  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> The idea to give different cargos to different companies is interesting although itcan easily get unfair.
20:46:01  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> yes, easily
20:46:03  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> Zuuu: balance would be hard
20:46:13  <Nachtigall> <frosch> yup, production levels are very different
20:46:15  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> One primary, one secondary?
20:46:18  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> and both get pax?
20:46:24  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> andythen0rth: I was just to build a ship at Grenfingway for livestock and wheat
20:46:24  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> zuu, you could rule out pax/mail and distinguish primary / secondary
20:46:26  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> one gets gold, one coal
20:46:29  <Nachtigall> <frosch> maybe the script could check how much production is available for primary stuff?
20:46:31  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> still very unfair
20:46:37  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> though... gold + coal don't comapre either
20:46:55  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> hm, yes... sum(production total map)
20:46:57  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> food was easier than gold
20:47:00  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> and scale goal by that
20:47:18  <Nachtigall> <frosch> should it always be two primary cargos, one secondary?
20:47:33  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I like the total randomness tbh
20:47:35  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> Zuu: the goal indication window shows wrong now, though
20:47:43  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> it only lists bronze
20:47:43  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> several good ideas but a setting that configure the alpha value used in the formula may be hard to explain in 5-10 words.
20:47:45  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> with ecs/(and firs?) you even have tertiary cargoes
20:47:51  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> the randomness like now is fine
20:47:51  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> fairness is over-rated ;P
20:48:01  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> :-)
20:48:03  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> pl4netmaker: Bug in the GS
20:48:11  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> yes, just telling ;-)
20:48:18  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> pl4netmaker: It removes the goals based on the cargo index that succeded
20:48:20  <Nachtigall> <frosch> and i think we need a stringcode for normal size font
20:48:23  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> PBI would be interesting
20:48:29  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> which is wrong
20:48:29  <Nachtigall> <frosch> the newspaper should have a proper headline
20:48:33  <Nachtigall> <pl4netmaker> this script is 1.3 only, right?
20:48:40  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> 1.3 only
20:48:42  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> PBI would prevent dropping all to one destination
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20:48:58  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> As it relys on Alberths CargoMonitor API
20:49:22  <Yexo> amazing what rail network we managed to build in only 7 years from the start
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20:49:42  <andythenorth> style goes out the window a bit :)
20:49:44  <planetmaker> thank you again folks :-)
20:49:45  <Nachtigall> <frosch> yeah, and all is just quick and dirty
20:49:56  <Nachtigall> <frosch> lots of singletrack even
20:50:00  <planetmaker> yes, style is very quick and dirty here :-)
20:50:04  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> yep, same here
20:50:11  <planetmaker> I really... need to tease coop folks with this
20:50:15  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> but it worked quite well
20:50:29  <planetmaker> though the initial coal+food network was acceptable somewhat
20:50:33  <Nachtigall> <frosch> there is no time to plan out, you just have to scatter tram all over the place
20:50:36  <planetmaker> I tried to extend that mainly
20:50:39  <andythenorth> it's interesting that trains are so effective
20:50:43  <Nachtigall> <frosch> always shortest connection, fastest built
20:50:44  <Zuu_> planetmaker: install it on the server and surprise them :-)
20:50:51  <andythenorth> if you left it to me I'd build only RVs / Ships
20:50:53  <andythenorth> and would lose :P
20:51:01  <planetmaker> Zuu_: I might do *just that*
20:51:15  <Zuu_> But perhaps with a longer goal.
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20:51:35  <planetmaker> yes. maybe for 10 hours or so
20:51:42  <planetmaker> and reduced maybe even...
20:53:23  <andythenorth> Given that much playing time, coop methods would destroy the goals no?
20:53:46  <andythenorth> Zuu_: still fun :)
20:54:34  * andythenorth wonders if 5 cargos is as much fun :P
20:54:47  <andythenorth> probly not
20:55:26  <Zuu_> andythenorth: then you need to invent a 4:th and 5:th medal
20:57:12  <Zuu_> A quick update tonight will contain news every month and fixed goal removal.
20:57:13  <andythenorth> variation: bronze = 50% of target, all cargos, silver = 75%, gold = 100%
20:57:21  <andythenorth> dunno if that's interesting variation
20:57:34  <Zuu_> I hope that is enough until I get more time to fix also less important things
20:57:44  <andythenorth> Zuu_: sounds great
20:57:51  <Yexo> might even be better than current
20:57:58  <Yexo> easier to get at least silver if you're shooting for gold
20:58:13  <Yexo> like this game we risked ending up with bronze even while we were very close to gold
20:58:18  <andythenorth> I like that
20:58:20  <andythenorth> risk
20:58:42  <Zuu_> Indeed, that give an interesting decision
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20:58:59  <andythenorth> definitely not default industries next time imo :)
20:59:42  <planetmaker> I think the default industries suit this style well.
20:59:48  <planetmaker> pbi would only screw up this script
20:59:56  <planetmaker> or any limited acceptance
21:00:12  <andythenorth> would need more care
21:00:18  <andythenorth> might work for a 30 year game
21:00:19  <andythenorth> but not 7 :P
21:00:42  <planetmaker> nah, that's too much micro planning then
21:00:54  <Yexo> just lower the goals a bit
21:01:06  <Yexo> the goals are highly dependent on the newgrf setup anyway
21:01:37  <planetmaker> of course :-)
21:01:46  <planetmaker> actually I'd like to see it play with firs :-)
21:01:54  <planetmaker> which demands supply chain setup
21:02:43  <andythenorth> my FIRS game worked ok
21:02:55  <andythenorth> FIRS would be better for co-opetitive play
21:03:07  <andythenorth> there's no obvious best cargos
21:03:18  <andythenorth> unless one team got lots of tertiary cargo :P
21:04:01  <planetmaker> bah, against time and others... *that* then is really stressful
21:04:26  * Yexo wants to combine this with h2h
21:04:34  <planetmaker> :-)
21:04:34  <Yexo> everyone the same cargoes
21:04:41  <planetmaker> that'd be cool
21:06:27  <andythenorth> +1
21:06:44  <andythenorth> same cargos *without* h2h would be pure evil
21:07:02  <Yexo> now that would be real competition :p
21:09:25  * Zuu_ have uploaded NoCarGoal v2 to bananas
21:09:31  <planetmaker> :-)
21:09:37  <planetmaker> !content
21:09:37  <Nachtigall> planetmaker: Connection established
21:09:41  <Nachtigall> planetmaker: Expect timeout triggered!
21:09:41  <Nachtigall> planetmaker: (you need to !restart to have the new content loaded)
21:09:47  <planetmaker> !content
21:09:49  <Nachtigall> planetmaker: Expect timeout triggered!
21:09:51  <Nachtigall> planetmaker: Downloading 3 file(s) (35981 bytes)
21:09:51  <Nachtigall> planetmaker: (you need to !restart to have the new content loaded)
21:09:54  <planetmaker> hm
21:10:11  <planetmaker> downloaded :D
21:16:26  <andythenorth> tempting to play again
21:16:30  <andythenorth> but...bed :)
21:16:32  <andythenorth> good night
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