Log for #openttdcoop.nightly on 26th August 2012:
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10:30:08  <planetmaker> !getsave
10:30:09  <Nachtigall> planetmaker: !getsave <url>: downloads the save from given <url>
10:31:06  *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.nightly
10:32:45  <planetmaker> @op andythenorth
10:32:48  <planetmaker> !getsave
10:32:48  <Nachtigall> planetmaker: !getsave <url>: downloads the save from given <url>
10:33:00  <planetmaker> ^^ with a sane URL allows to upload it to the server
10:33:04  <planetmaker> !rcon ls
10:33:04  <Nachtigall> planetmaker: 0) .. (Parent directory)
10:33:04  <Nachtigall> planetmaker: 1) autosave/ (Directory)
10:33:04  <Nachtigall> planetmaker: 2) uploads/ (Directory)
10:33:04  <Nachtigall> planetmaker: 3) nocargoal2.sav
10:33:04  <Nachtigall> planetmaker: 4) nocargoal.sav
10:33:16  <planetmaker> !rcon load 3
10:33:23  *** frosch123 has joined #openttdcoop.nightly
10:33:31  <planetmaker> alternatively the name also works
10:33:33  <planetmaker> @op frosch123
10:33:36  <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players)
10:33:41  <planetmaker> uh... hm
10:33:47  <planetmaker> @services op
10:33:53  *** planetmaker sets mode: +o andythenorth
10:33:57  *** planetmaker sets mode: +o frosch123
10:34:01  *** planetmaker sets mode: +o Yexo
10:34:13  <frosch123> op * :p
10:34:22  <planetmaker> otherwise you can't use rcon ;-)
10:34:30  <frosch123> yup
10:34:32  <planetmaker> it's bound to channel ops
10:35:08  <planetmaker> so, basically !getsave and !rcon load are all you *should* need
10:35:21  <andythenorth> k
10:35:31  <andythenorth> someone can get a save onto the server?
10:35:32  <planetmaker> !rcon pause maybe and !rcon set min_active_clients might be interesting
10:35:33  <Nachtigall> planetmaker: Game is already paused.
10:35:43  <planetmaker> !rcon auto
10:35:43  <Nachtigall> planetmaker: ERROR: command not found
10:35:45  <planetmaker> !auto
10:35:45  <Nachtigall> *** planetmaker has enabled autopause mode.
10:35:46  <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (number of players)
10:35:50  <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players)
10:36:20  <frosch123> !help getsave
10:36:25  <planetmaker> no help :-)
10:36:27  <planetmaker> !getsave
10:36:27  <Nachtigall> planetmaker: !getsave <url>: downloads the save from given <url>
10:36:37  <frosch123> ok :)
10:36:49  <planetmaker> it's only for pros :-P
10:37:55  <planetmaker> btw, frosch123, I think you have ssh to the server: ssh
10:38:20  <planetmaker> use screen. It's in screen 3+4. running in ~/svn-nightly/autopilot
10:38:46  <planetmaker> in the other two screens you can kill the stable server :-P
10:40:39  <planetmaker> rcon load works just by number if you know it via rcon ls
10:40:48  <planetmaker> !rcon los
10:40:48  <Nachtigall> planetmaker: ERROR: command not found
10:40:51  <planetmaker> !rcon ls
10:40:51  <Nachtigall> planetmaker: 0) .. (Parent directory)
10:40:51  <Nachtigall> planetmaker: 1) autosave/ (Directory)
10:40:51  <Nachtigall> planetmaker: 2) uploads/ (Directory)
10:40:51  <Nachtigall> planetmaker: 3) nocargoal2.sav
10:40:51  <Nachtigall> planetmaker: 4) nocargoal.sav
10:40:56  <planetmaker> !rcon cd .
10:40:56  <Nachtigall> planetmaker: .: No such file or directory.
10:41:05  <planetmaker> !rcon cd uploads
10:41:08  <planetmaker> !rcon ls
10:41:08  <Nachtigall> planetmaker: 0) .. (Parent directory)
10:41:14  <planetmaker> !rcon cd ..
10:41:22  <planetmaker> !rcon pwd
10:41:23  <Nachtigall> planetmaker: /home/ottdc/svn-nightly/autopilot/save/
10:41:27  <frosch123> haha, that ssh gives me "Illegal command '?'"
10:41:29  <planetmaker> !rcon ls
10:41:29  <Nachtigall> planetmaker: 0) .. (Parent directory)
10:41:29  <Nachtigall> planetmaker: 1) autosave/ (Directory)
10:41:29  <Nachtigall> planetmaker: 2) uploads/ (Directory)
10:41:30  <Nachtigall> planetmaker: 3) nocargoal2.sav
10:41:30  <Nachtigall> planetmaker: 4) nocargoal.sav
10:41:40  <planetmaker> !rcon load 3
10:41:43  <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players)
10:41:46  <planetmaker> !rcon load nocargoal
10:41:46  <Nachtigall> planetmaker: pause
10:41:46  <Nachtigall> planetmaker: Game is already paused.
10:41:47  <Nachtigall> *** Game paused (number of players)
10:41:51  <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players)
10:42:29  <planetmaker> sorry, frosch123, I forgot the port number: ssh -p11022
10:42:40  <planetmaker> I use an alias, thus I forget :-)
10:42:57  <andythenorth> biab
10:48:58  <frosch123> hmm, i don't know screen. i'll leave my fingers from it for now :)
10:50:21  <frosch123> and my irc client is somewhat getting to many tabs... they all start with #openttd and it clips on the right :p
10:50:23  <planetmaker> when you ssh'ed, just call screen -x
10:50:30  <frosch123> let's close some
10:50:35  <planetmaker> hehe
10:51:06  <planetmaker> get vertical tabs ;-)
10:51:39  *** andythenorth has quit IRC
10:52:13  <frosch123> that wastes too much space
10:53:06  <frosch123> planetmaker: it seems to use weird hotkeys
10:53:12  <frosch123> like ctrl+a ctrl+\
10:53:24  <frosch123> i am always worried how to type ctrl
10:53:30  <frosch123> ctrl+\ correctly :)
10:53:34  <planetmaker> yes, screen uses weired hotkeys
10:53:54  <planetmaker> but you should only need ctrl+a ctrl+c (new tab)
10:54:02  <planetmaker> ctrl+<num> (switch tab)
10:55:10  <frosch123> and how to close it? :p
11:03:03  <frosch123> i wonder whether it is ctrl+a+d or ctrl+a+\
11:03:09  <frosch123> and whether the other one kills it all :p
11:07:20  <planetmaker> oh, don't close a screen. as long as you run screen you can just close that tab locally and the server will just carry one
11:07:25  <planetmaker> that's why you use screen :-)
11:09:38  <frosch123> you mean i shall just kill my local ssh connection? :p
11:14:11  *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.nightly
11:14:37  <planetmaker> yes, that's fine. It won't change the screen on the server. That's what it's used for
13:07:40  *** Alberth has joined #openttdcoop.nightly
13:07:55  <Alberth> woep
13:08:01  <andythenorth> hello
13:09:02  <andythenorth> can we get a FIRS nightly?  Or too hard?
13:09:18  <frosch123> i have no idea how firs works :p
13:09:31  <frosch123> i guess if we get a goal for a supply, we are screwed :p
13:09:35  <Alberth> bring cargo, get paid? :p
13:10:02  <frosch123> anyway, as long as you do not add a too fancy vehicle set, i guess i can handle it
13:10:24  <andythenorth> I'd prefer nightly to Bananas version, there are improvements
13:11:29  <andythenorth> obv. I have a nightly here :)
13:11:38  <andythenorth> can the server get one?
13:13:26  <frosch123> i have scp access
13:13:46  <frosch123> so, can you prepare a savegame with everything added?
13:13:54  <frosch123> (don't forget the gs :p)
13:14:02  <frosch123> how many are we? 3?
13:14:15  <frosch123> should we go for a lower goal, or for a longer time?
13:14:30  <frosch123> (i guess lower goal might be better)
13:15:19  <Alberth> yeah
13:16:10  <andythenorth> I invited terkhen
13:16:42  <andythenorth> better check my OpenTTD works here :P
13:17:07  <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players)
13:17:11  <Nachtigall> *** Game unpaused (manual)
13:17:17  <andythenorth> works :P
13:17:33  <Nachtigall> *** andythen0rth has left the game (leaving)
13:17:33  <Nachtigall> *** Game paused (number of players)
13:17:37  <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players)
13:17:37  <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players)
13:18:00  <Alberth> still the 24494 version?
13:18:08  <andythenorth> yup
13:18:21  <frosch123> yes, i don't want to install a new version on the server :p
13:18:26  <andythenorth> +1
13:19:06  <andythenorth> 14 year game?
13:19:12  <Alberth> maybe it got changed friday
13:19:23  <andythenorth> I connected to it with 24494
13:19:39  <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players)
13:19:43  <Nachtigall> *** Game unpaused (manual)
13:20:08  * andythenorth is finishing up some work
13:20:11  <frosch123> !rcon rescan_newgrf
13:20:18  <andythenorth> 512^ seems to be optimum map size
13:20:40  <Alberth> I should get a nightly FIRS?
13:20:45  <andythenorth>  please
13:20:52  <frosch123> i think i managed to install firs 2876 :)
13:21:02  <frosch123> (build with nml tip)
13:21:25  <andythenorth> hmm
13:21:35  <Nachtigall> *** alberth has left the game (general timeout)
13:21:35  <Nachtigall> *** alberth has left the game (connection lost)
13:21:35  <Nachtigall> *** Game paused (number of players)
13:21:36  <andythenorth> I am missing some python stuff here due to laptop upgrade :P
13:21:39  <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players)
13:21:39  <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players)
13:21:39  <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players)
13:22:25  <frosch123>
13:22:29  <frosch123> use that one then :)
13:22:37  <andythenorth> \o/
13:23:32  <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players)
13:23:36  <Nachtigall> *** Game unpaused (manual)
13:24:09  <Alberth> newgrf window does not list firs
13:24:18  <andythenorth> rescan
13:24:19  <andythenorth> ?
13:24:24  <andythenorth> thinking start 1965
13:24:26  <frosch123> Alberth: we have not yet loaded a save
13:24:33  <andythenorth> I don't care what terrain or other map stuff
13:24:49  <andythenorth> industries 'normal' is usually ok
13:24:56  <frosch123> i already triggered rescan, but we need a save
13:25:07  <andythenorth> Alberth: want to make one? :P
13:25:19  * andythenorth is deep in Twitter Bootstrap wrangling :P
13:25:31  <andythenorth> [need to finish some work before play] :)
13:25:38  <Nachtigall> *** alberth has left the game (leaving)
13:25:38  <Nachtigall> *** Game paused (number of players)
13:25:41  <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players)
13:25:41  <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players)
13:26:01  <frosch123> firs nightly, ogfx+trains, heqs, fish, ogfx+rv ?
13:26:21  <frosch123> ok, i'll do the save then :p
13:28:29  <frosch123> i just need to review all my settings to not debug-stuff :p
13:30:41  <andythenorth> add CHIPS?
13:30:50  <andythenorth> nicer for walking stations :P
13:31:05  <frosch123> what goal?
13:31:14  <andythenorth> I like "expensive short and slow bridges" too, but maybe I'm weird :P
13:31:23  <andythenorth> 14 years
13:31:30  <frosch123> so long?
13:31:30  <andythenorth> hmm
13:31:46  <andythenorth> might need it with FIRS if we get a secondary cargo
13:31:53  <andythenorth> 11?
13:31:58  <andythenorth> shorter :P
13:32:03  <frosch123> 50k then?
13:32:18  <Alberth> ok
13:32:21  <frosch123> 11 years, 50k
13:33:02  <frosch123> wood, metal, scrap emtal
13:33:03  <frosch123> good?
13:33:12  <andythenorth> hoo
13:33:15  <andythenorth> ok :)
13:33:29  <andythenorth> big loan
13:33:33  <andythenorth> otherwise it's too hard
13:33:40  <frosch123> 300k
13:33:49  <andythenorth> k
13:35:29  <frosch123> !rcon loadgame ncg20120826
13:35:29  <Nachtigall> frosch123: ERROR: command not found
13:35:36  <frosch123> !rcon load ncg20120826
13:35:36  <Nachtigall> frosch123: ncg20120826: No such file or directory.
13:35:42  <frosch123> !rcon ls
13:35:42  <Nachtigall> frosch123: 0) .. (Parent directory)
13:35:42  <Nachtigall> frosch123: 1) autosave/ (Directory)
13:35:42  <Nachtigall> frosch123: 2) uploads/ (Directory)
13:35:42  <Nachtigall> frosch123: 3) nocargoal2.sav
13:35:42  <Nachtigall> frosch123: 4) nocargoal.sav
13:37:33  <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players)
13:37:37  <Nachtigall> *** Game unpaused (manual)
13:37:48  <frosch123> !rcon cd uploads
13:37:51  <frosch123> !rcon ls
13:37:51  <Nachtigall> frosch123: Current/maximum clients:     1/16
13:37:51  <Nachtigall> frosch123: Current/maximum companies:   1/ 8
13:37:51  <Nachtigall> frosch123: Current/maximum spectators:  0/ 8
13:37:51  <Nachtigall> frosch123: Client #1  name: 'Nachtigall'  company: 255  IP: server
13:37:51  <Nachtigall> frosch123: Client #30  name: 'alberth'  company: 1  IP:
13:37:51  <Nachtigall> frosch123: you have 3 more messages
13:37:57  <Alberth> oh, I am too fast :)
13:38:10  * andythenorth is just doing a bit of committing :)
13:38:13  <frosch123> !rcon load ncg20120826
13:38:24  <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players)
13:38:26  <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players)
13:38:28  <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (number of players)
13:38:40  <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (number of players)
13:38:40  <Nachtigall> *** Game unpaused (number of players)
13:39:10  <frosch123> so, let's see... can you spot anything i screwed up with the savegame creation?
13:39:51  <frosch123> !rcon pause
13:39:53  <Nachtigall> *** Game paused (manual)
13:39:57  <Nachtigall> *** Game unpaused (manual)
13:39:57  <frosch123> damn, i thought it was paused
13:40:40  <frosch123> 6 forests only?
13:40:46  <frosch123> i think we have no chance for 50k :p
13:41:09  <frosch123> same for the other cargos
13:41:54  <frosch123> 52800 if we transport everything from the start of the game :p
13:42:17  <andythenorth> FIRS makes it...hard :)
13:42:37  <andythenorth> need supplies to stand any chance of winning :)
13:42:44  <andythenorth> try 30k goal?
13:42:56  <andythenorth> we'll probably make it, but there's only three of us....
13:43:20  <Alberth> euhm, where's the goal?
13:43:31  <frosch123> 50k
13:43:58  <frosch123> so, restart with 30k?
13:44:04  <frosch123> and other settings i shall change?
13:44:08  <frosch123> *any
13:44:45  <frosch123> start date ok? vehicle availability?
13:44:50  <Alberth> I don't see a goal at all
13:45:01  <frosch123> check the news
13:45:07  <frosch123> it pops up every month
13:45:07  <andythenorth> frosch123: 1965 start date
13:45:18  <andythenorth> means we'll get improved ships and trucks quickly
13:45:30  <frosch123> why is the game unpaused again?
13:45:40  <andythenorth> frosch123: also more rivers
13:45:44  <andythenorth> I just joined to check settings
13:45:47  <andythenorth> I'm leaving ;)
13:45:49  <Nachtigall> *** frosch has left the game (leaving)
13:45:50  <andythenorth> many more rivers ;)
13:45:55  <Nachtigall> *** andythen0rth has left the game (leaving)
13:45:55  <Nachtigall> *** Game paused (number of players)
13:46:06  <Nachtigall> *** alberth has left the game (leaving)
13:46:10  <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players)
13:46:30  <frosch123> oil, wood, manufac supply?
13:46:31  <frosch123> good?
13:46:49  <frosch123> two easy cargos, one hard :)
13:47:03  <andythenorth> fine by me
13:47:11  <Alberth> ok
13:47:13  <andythenorth> manufac supply is interesting
13:47:15  <andythenorth> lots of sources
13:48:07  <frosch123> !rcon load ncg20120826_2
13:48:11  <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players)
13:48:19  <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players)
13:48:23  <Nachtigall> *** Game unpaused (manual)
13:48:26  <frosch123> !rcon pause
13:48:26  <Nachtigall> frosch123: unpause
13:48:26  <Nachtigall> frosch123: Game is already unpaused.
13:48:27  <Nachtigall> *** Game paused (manual)
13:48:31  <Nachtigall> *** Game unpaused (manual)
13:48:34  <frosch123> !rcon set min_active_clients 5
13:48:34  <Nachtigall> frosch123: unpause
13:48:34  <Nachtigall> frosch123: Game is already unpaused.
13:48:36  <Nachtigall> *** Game paused (number of players)
13:49:24  <frosch123> what industries produce manufac supply?
13:50:28  <andythenorth> industry chain view tells you
13:50:37  <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (number of players)
13:50:50  <frosch123> how to open that for a cargo? :p
13:51:06  <andythenorth> find a bakery or such
13:51:16  <andythenorth> then get the view, then click the cargo you want
13:51:34  <andythenorth> or I tell you ;)
13:51:38  <andythenorth> Metal Workshop
13:51:44  <andythenorth> Paper Mill
13:51:49  <andythenorth> Plastics Plant
13:51:53  <andythenorth> Glass Works
13:51:56  <frosch123> so, forest -> paper mill wood work?
13:52:01  <andythenorth> Recycling Plant (not available)
13:52:04  <andythenorth> yes that will work
13:52:08  <andythenorth> give me 5 mins to finish committing
13:52:10  <andythenorth> you can plan :)
13:52:16  <Nachtigall> *** andythen0rth has left the game (leaving)
13:52:32  <frosch123> ok, so we should start with forest -> papermill :)
13:52:38  <frosch123> and oil
13:52:58  <andythenorth> oil -> refinery -> chemicals -> plastics plant -> mnsp
13:53:10  <andythenorth> also chemicals -> paper mill -> mnsp
13:54:16  <Alberth> Keningwell paper mill?
13:54:28  <frosch123> can you put a sign?
13:55:04  <Alberth> done
13:55:11  <frosch123> yay, 3 forests in range
13:55:14  <frosch123> looks nice
13:55:52  <andythenorth> commits done
13:55:53  <andythenorth> brb
13:55:59  <Alberth> f4 - mill first?
13:56:21  <Alberth> oh, no hurries, it is still paused :)
13:56:37  <frosch123> f3 has more production
13:57:57  <Alberth> ok, doesn't matter much
13:59:01  <frosch123> hmm, this are so few industries, it might not be enough for 3 players
13:59:32  <frosch123> we'll see how hard it will be to get the secondary stuff :)
13:59:46  <andythenorth> k game on :)
14:00:04  <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (number of players)
14:00:14  <frosch123> start?
14:00:28  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> what a lot of industries :)
14:00:32  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> compared to default :P
14:00:41  <frosch123> only 6 forests :p
14:00:56  <Alberth> busy labeling oil wells
14:01:06  <frosch123> let's start
14:01:08  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> there's a forest at West of map
14:01:14  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> which is near a sawmill
14:01:18  <frosch123> !rcon set min_active_clients 3
14:01:20  <Nachtigall> *** Game unpaused (number of players)
14:01:20  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> and miles from paper mills
14:01:24  <frosch123> paper mill only!
14:01:34  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> strict rules :P
14:01:39  <Alberth> find the paper mill sign andy :)
14:01:59  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> you're doing the dump-to-one-industry thing?
14:02:09  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I'd dump to nearest, but hey I'm easy :P
14:02:20  <Alberth> not necessarily, but you have to start somewhere
14:02:44  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> we *will* need a money maker :)
14:03:03  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> subsisdies with PAX & ships can be great for money
14:03:25  <frosch123> let's see how much this wood train earns
14:03:31  <Alberth> just 1 track ?
14:03:41  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> Funtburg Springs: oil wells next to refiney
14:04:02  <frosch123> i always start singletrack
14:04:06  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> +1
14:04:09  <frosch123> until there are at least 3 trains
14:04:25  <Alberth> tedhattan oil refinery in the center ?
14:04:45  <Alberth> or dintford at the east
14:04:45  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I've just started supplying Kendworth
14:05:09  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> there are 3 wells that can supply Kendworth
14:05:09  <Alberth> ok, let's do that for a few then
14:06:25  <frosch123> might have choosen the wrong engine though
14:09:07  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> ah
14:09:19  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> if we had improved station rating on this would be easier
14:09:25  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> it's a FIRS parameter :)
14:09:29  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> nvm
14:09:31  <frosch123> cheating
14:10:15  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> money is low :)
14:10:30  <Alberth> yeah, can't buy an engine :(
14:10:35  <frosch123> yup, neither me :)
14:10:43  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I'm not trying to build right now
14:10:51  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> so when we have money - go ahead ;)
14:10:57  <frosch123> don't build tracks at least :)
14:11:04  <frosch123> enough tracks for too few trains :p
14:11:26  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> someone is building tracks via Sinningley?
14:11:48  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> those can move metal to Funtburg Springs Metal Workshop too
14:11:54  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> once I have metal running :P
14:12:20  <frosch123> Alberth: does the newspaper work for you meanwhile?
14:12:23  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I swear the totals double count :P
14:12:44  <Alberth> frosch123: yes it does
14:13:13  <Alberth> I am looking at the insanely long oil trams :)
14:13:55  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> someone bought a train? :)
14:14:01  <frosch123> yup :p
14:14:36  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> trucks are expensive :o
14:16:10  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> fr0sch: do you want to upgrade that silly train? :)
14:16:20  <frosch123> i want to buy more wagons :p
14:16:26  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> exactly
14:17:09  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> this will be too easy :)
14:17:12  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> we're going to win it
14:17:30  <frosch123> who knows about manufac stuff :p
14:17:33  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> if we ever have any money :P
14:17:59  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> a better train
14:17:59  <Yexo> playing nocargoal again?
14:18:03  <frosch123> yes
14:18:04  <Alberth> andythenorth: I still have not bought any engine :p
14:18:06  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> yarp
14:18:15  <frosch123> Alberth: go, next one for you :)
14:18:15  <Yexo> too bad I don't have time to join
14:18:34  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> :o trains are expensive too
14:19:08  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> alberth: the route is flat, buy the cheap train
14:19:20  <frosch123> cs2400 is best i guess
14:19:32  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> buy the MJS thing
14:19:36  <frosch123> cheapst and most powerfull
14:19:37  <Alberth> I was thinking wills-2-8-0
14:19:48  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> then when we have money, make it haul scrap metal to steel mill instead (short route)
14:19:54  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> wills is ok
14:20:16  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I need to buy more trucks
14:20:36  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> done
14:21:55  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> we are wasting supplies at Keningwell mill
14:22:17  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> a ship can haul them out to Wuston dairy
14:22:20  <frosch123> find an industry which accept it :p
14:22:20  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> cheap
14:22:29  <frosch123> you know the chain best :)
14:22:43  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I need about 60k I think
14:22:58  <frosch123> Alberth: what's you train status?
14:23:13  <Alberth> it's moving to the refinery for the first time
14:23:20  <frosch123> need more?
14:23:35  <Alberth> would be nice, one is too few imho
14:23:50  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> the ship I need is 98k
14:23:58  <frosch123> my train is 40k :)
14:23:59  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> ach I'll buy the cheap one
14:24:05  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> buy the train?
14:24:21  <Alberth> supplies is a bigger problem
14:24:31  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> buy the ship in that case
14:24:33  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> oil is done :P
14:24:37  <frosch123> do supplies pay good?
14:24:49  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> not too bad
14:24:59  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I'm buying the ship...
14:26:05  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> fr0sch: clay from Great Tronfingley clay pit will increase MNSP production at paper mill
14:26:58  <frosch123> ok, will be enxt
14:27:41  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> the lime kiln will also make chemicals from coal near there
14:28:12  <frosch123> and farm supplies?
14:28:24  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> yeah, but ignore those ;)
14:28:42  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> that subsidy is worth having :O
14:28:45  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I'm doing that
14:28:56  <frosch123> would be just a short tram route to the forest
14:28:59  <frosch123> for the farm supplies
14:30:51  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> money money money
14:30:54  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> where are you :P
14:31:09  <frosch123> need more wood trains :)
14:31:20  <Alberth> yeah :)
14:31:35  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> fr0sch: the line you just built - use it to haul stone to the lime kiln
14:31:43  <frosch123> i didn't build any line
14:31:47  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I would plan for a very congested route there :P
14:31:50  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> must be alberth
14:32:04  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> Runfingwell City forest
14:33:38  * Alberth is guilty :)
14:34:06  <frosch123> i am still wating for money for the next train :)
14:34:10  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> +lots
14:34:24  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> trucks are bad value
14:34:30  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> 13k cost, low profit
14:34:50  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> train pays cost back in about 18months, truck is about 4 years
14:35:33  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> oil is so done :P
14:35:48  <Alberth> we'd need to double the tracks of the south wood line for the stone?
14:35:54  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> yes
14:36:04  <frosch123> it's almost doubled
14:36:04  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> and we can get chemicals, mnsp, and coal on them
14:36:12  <frosch123> but i want more trains before more tracks :p
14:36:48  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> can we do stone next?
14:36:53  <Alberth> and we are broke again :)
14:37:03  <frosch123> stone looks fine
14:37:07  <frosch123> no addtional tracks :)
14:37:09  <frosch123> *hardly
14:39:34  <Nachtigall> * andythen0rth waits for next train to arrive :|
14:40:45  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> it's not a big quarry, use a cheap train?
14:41:52  <Alberth> I was considering that :)
14:42:23  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> just do the cheapest
14:42:29  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> swap it to haul out FMSP later
14:43:43  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> trucks to somewhere?
14:43:50  <Nachtigall> * andythen0rth notices a roadstop
14:44:17  <frosch123> we need another ship
14:44:23  <frosch123> too few manufac transprot
14:44:29  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I know :(
14:44:32  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> no money :P
14:44:51  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> mnsp pickup is Keningwell docks btw
14:45:00  <frosch123> oh crap, you build a separate station
14:45:03  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> not Keningwell west ;)
14:45:07  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> sorry :)
14:45:17  <frosch123> now i screwed up the acceptance :p
14:45:20  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> change of strategy
14:45:21  <frosch123> need to merge them
14:45:28  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> scrap the ship
14:45:34  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> take MNSP to the windmill near the lime kiln
14:45:40  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> use cheap train
14:46:02  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I'll sell the ship after it has delivered
14:46:54  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> how to do pickup platforms at Keningwell mill?
14:47:34  <frosch123> where?
14:47:50  <frosch123> you mean kenningwell west?
14:47:54  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> Keningwell west
14:47:56  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> yes
14:48:08  <frosch123> i only build the rv to cheat the rating
14:48:13  <frosch123> because it dropped below 30%
14:48:35  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> someone build a MNSP train? :)
14:48:43  <frosch123> where to transport mnsp to now?
14:48:52  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> Dartfield grain mill
14:48:59  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> it's connected
14:49:09  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> we're about to get 35k from scrapping the ship
14:49:19  <Alberth> more stone?
14:49:33  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> not until mnsp is moving
14:49:36  <frosch123> ok, i'll build the mnsp station then
14:49:46  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> money money
14:49:49  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> is here
14:51:43  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> bigger station? :)
14:52:17  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> do these trains refit?
14:55:45  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> can the stone train auto-refit?
14:55:51  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> buy menu doesn't say
14:55:57  <Alberth> I don't know
14:56:29  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> yes it can
14:56:43  <Nachtigall> * andythen0rth has a plan with trams
14:56:49  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> oh nvm
14:56:55  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I was going to save the cost of a clay train
14:57:10  <frosch123> no clay train?
15:08:12  <frosch123> you built too few stone trains, didn't you?
15:08:39  <Alberth> you can add a second one :)
15:08:48  <frosch123> did so :)
15:09:27  <Alberth> oil to the Tedhattan refinery (about center), and then petrol the machine shop a bit south
15:09:48  <Alberth> and then the engineering supplies to somewhere? :)
15:10:15  <Alberth> oh nvm, wrong supplies
15:10:29  <frosch123> aren't we already transporting them?
15:10:44  <Alberth> just 5000 units now
15:11:57  <frosch123> 6 years to go :p
15:13:04  <frosch123> wow, no money
15:13:08  <frosch123> someone bought a ship?
15:13:39  <Alberth> andy is doing stuff :)
15:15:50  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> `
15:16:19  <Nachtigall> * andythen0rth had toddler interruption
15:16:59  <Alberth> f1 -> paper mill and back to the grain mill?
15:18:00  <frosch123> just build :)
15:18:16  <frosch123> usually we should have enough money now
15:19:14  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> aaa
15:19:18  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> oops
15:19:36  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> need to move chemicals from Great Tronfingley limie kiln to paper mill
15:19:46  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I don't want to mess up the station layout...
15:20:32  <frosch123> just add another platform
15:20:37  <frosch123> and feed it from the back
15:22:20  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> 5 years?
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15:30:44  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I like this frantic phase :)
15:33:13  <frosch123> ah, those trucks are so expensive :p
15:33:20  <frosch123> i wondered where all the money is going
15:33:27  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> all RVs are too expensive in this game
15:33:37  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> HEQS I usually play with 1/2 buy cost
15:33:43  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I should fix that permanently :P
15:35:22  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> hmm
15:35:35  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> we'll make it :P
15:53:47  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> think we've won yet?
15:55:03  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> we're doing about 1k supplies per month I think
15:55:03  <Alberth> looks like it :)
15:55:11  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I swear it over-counts :P
15:55:48  <frosch123> the mfsp production varies a lot
15:55:53  <frosch123> 280 some months
15:55:56  <frosch123> 80 some other months
15:56:00  <frosch123> at the paper mill
15:56:05  <frosch123> i guess similiar at the other places
15:56:09  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> depends what else gets delivered
15:56:19  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> cargos combine to produce more output...
15:57:17  <Nachtigall> * andythen0rth upgrades a train or 2
15:57:33  <frosch123> i already removed all steamers
15:57:36  <frosch123> only cs2400
15:57:58  <Nachtigall> * andythen0rth wants some centenials
15:58:01  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> 70mph
15:58:06  <Alberth> in that case you missed one frosch123 :)
15:58:27  <frosch123> Alberth: that one is newer
15:58:39  <frosch123> andythenorth: cs2400 is just as fast
15:58:42  <frosch123> 112 km/h
15:58:46  <Alberth> :)
15:58:52  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> oh yes
15:58:56  <frosch123> and 2400 is way cheaper
15:59:13  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> not if you have 2x2400
15:59:19  <Nachtigall> * andythen0rth did that :P
16:00:09  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> ho ho
16:00:27  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> should we have had a harder goal?
16:00:40  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> 100k would be really hard here
16:00:58  <frosch123> according to news we produced 800 mfsp ni one month
16:01:52  <frosch123> i think it counts at least double :p
16:01:58  <frosch123> maybe pickup and delivery
16:02:01  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> are we about to win?
16:02:05  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I think it counts double
16:02:11  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I think it counts town and industry
16:02:18  <Alberth> pickup and delivery sounds plausible
16:02:20  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> and I think town counts industry within catchment
16:02:30  <frosch123> town and industry sounds even more plausible
16:02:36  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> how is cargo 'delivered' to a town?
16:02:40  <Alberth> indeed
16:02:56  <frosch123> station always delivers to town in station sign
16:03:03  <frosch123> independent of any industry taking it as well
16:03:08  <Alberth> just like a subsidy, to a station 'near enough'
16:03:09  <frosch123> anyway, won
16:03:09  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> so counting both...
16:03:15  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> have a look at the GS code ;)
16:03:21  <frosch123> 9 years, instead of 11
16:03:23  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> \o/
16:03:25  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> winners
16:03:31  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> except for double count
16:03:34  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> :P
16:03:40  <Alberth> so we are 1/2 way :p
16:04:17  <frosch123> we can get back to the original 50k goal
16:05:13  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> play on ?
16:05:15  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> or stop ?
16:05:24  <frosch123> play for 50k imo
16:05:28  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> k
16:13:17  <Alberth> I don't know the industry chains sufficiently :)
16:13:32  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> sand -> glassworks is good for mfsp
16:19:47  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> 9 months :O
16:20:02  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> having a baby seems to take longer than this
16:20:23  <Alberth> a baby takes 12 years or so :p
16:20:44  <frosch123> :p
16:26:16  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> \o/
16:26:43  <frosch123> i think we set the wrong goals :p
16:27:04  <frosch123> we know better next time
16:27:06  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> '
16:27:10  <Alberth> better too low than too high
16:27:14  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> it's a lot more brain-aching with FIRS :)
16:27:37  <Alberth> many more paths in the chains :)
16:27:43  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> yup
16:28:03  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> one spine track can also have a lot more cargos going along it...
16:28:11  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> optimising trains with FIRS is hard
16:28:17  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> hence I use ships + RVs :P
16:28:32  <Alberth> how is it hard?
16:28:59  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> lot of connections and combinations of routes
16:29:09  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> and the industries tend to be in the way of stations :P
16:29:19  <Alberth> :)
16:29:29  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> if we played longer, we'd start delivering supplies
16:29:41  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> then our 99t forests would be 600t forests
16:29:49  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> and we'd flood our network with trains
16:30:08  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> ok so that was still fun
16:30:14  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> but I'd like a new GS now :P
16:30:20  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> game over here?
16:30:26  <Alberth> ok
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16:31:09  <andythenorth> thanks for that game
16:31:26  <frosch123> !rcon min_active_clients 1
16:31:26  <Nachtigall> frosch123: ERROR: command not found
16:31:31  <frosch123> !rcon set min_active_clients 1
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16:31:33  <andythenorth> any post-game comments?
16:31:48  <frosch123> the double cargo thing should be fixed :)
16:32:28  <frosch123> no, the game is officially finished :p
16:32:31  <frosch123> *now
16:32:56  <frosch123> we failed the 60k goal :p
16:33:15  <frosch123> !rcon set min_active_clients 10
16:33:42  <andythenorth> we could have won it :)
16:33:49  <andythenorth> should have moved sand earlier :)
16:34:02  <frosch123> no idea, what does sand do? :p
16:34:02  * andythenorth ponders writing GS
16:34:08  <andythenorth> goes to glass works
16:34:11  <andythenorth> makes MFSP
16:34:17  <andythenorth> 8:6 ratio
16:34:25  <andythenorth> pretty handy
16:34:29  <andythenorth> we'd have got oil and wood easily
16:34:51  <andythenorth> all the MP games I've played, we start moving the easiest / most-availale cargo first
16:34:59  <andythenorth> should move the hardest / least available first
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16:35:20  * andythenorth is one of those people who eats all vegetables before meat :P
16:35:28  <andythenorth> because vegetables are very boring, and more so when cold :P
16:35:44  <andythenorth> hmm
16:35:54  <andythenorth> work, or write a GS, or play another game? :P
16:38:57  <frosch123> i am not available for a second game
16:39:02  <frosch123> one is enough :)
16:39:09  <andythenorth> I don't want to play it too much either :)
16:39:21  <andythenorth> will lose the fun
16:41:09  <Alberth> time for some food :)
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