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12:01:02 *** Yexo has quit IRC 12:01:39 *** Yexo has joined #openttdcoop.nightly 12:46:21 *** Webster has joined #openttdcoop.nightly 18:01:21 <Yexo> planetmaker: could you set up a server with openttd.org/download-h2h please? 18:29:20 *** frosch123 has joined #openttdcoop.nightly 18:29:45 <frosch123> well, i have ssh access as well, in case you don't :) 18:30:14 <frosch123> though i have no idea at what poiint i offend coop for using their servers while not being a member :p 18:30:40 <Yexo> I have ssh access, although I'm not sure to this server 18:30:47 <Yexo> and it's been a long time since I used it 18:31:06 <Yexo> http://devs.openttd.org/~yexo/h2h-nocargoal.sav <- a savegame we could play 18:31:25 <Yexo> firs/opengfx+, 25k goal, each person has a 256x512 map, max 8 persons 18:31:45 <frosch123> how many years? 18:31:49 <Yexo> 7 18:32:35 <planetmaker> Yexo: yes... same repo? 18:32:44 <Yexo> h2h repo 18:33:09 <Yexo> http://hg.openttd.org/developers/yexo/head-to-head.hg/ 18:33:20 <Yexo> but didn't you only have gcc 4.5 on the server? 18:34:20 *** Terkhen has joined #openttdcoop.nightly 18:34:25 *** Chris_Booth has joined #openttdcoop.nightly 18:34:55 *** Chris_Booth has left #openttdcoop.nightly 18:36:32 <planetmaker> ach... damn, yes, we do 18:48:26 <planetmaker> Yexo: is there a download? 18:48:35 <planetmaker> for the binary? 18:48:56 <frosch123> hmm, my ottd crashes when i load that savegame :s 18:49:25 <Yexo> planetmaker: www.openttdorg/download-h2h 18:50:31 <frosch123> assert(IsTileType(t, MP_OBJECT)); 18:50:37 <frosch123> did you compile without assertions? 18:50:48 <Yexo> nope, running a debug build all the time 18:51:14 <Yexo> but it doesn't load for me either :( 18:51:22 <Yexo> seems I messed up something wrt savegames 18:53:00 <frosch123> a object in the pool refers to a tree tile 18:54:56 <Yexo> indeed :( 18:56:54 <planetmaker> doesn't start... is it me or... ? 18:57:19 <planetmaker> btw, the h2h server is bound to the channel #coopetiton :D 18:57:20 <Yexo> it should be able to generate a new game 18:57:24 <planetmaker> #coopetition 18:58:20 <Yexo> seems we won't be able to play h2h tonight 18:58:26 <Yexo> too many bugs left, sorry 18:59:45 <Yexo> perhaps a "regular" nocargoal game tonight? 19:00:53 <frosch123> yup, who makes a save? 19:01:48 <Yexo> not me, I'm busy debugging (but will make time to play) 19:02:18 <Terkhen> I'm still finishing this game 19:02:24 <Terkhen> I need yet another half an hour :P 19:03:35 <frosch123> Yexo: settings.ini seems to have an too old "from" version, though that is likely not the problem here 19:04:37 <Yexo> indeed, I'll fix that 19:06:47 <frosch123> same for town_growth_counter, 19:07:50 <Yexo> what's with town_growth_counter? 19:08:02 <frosch123> it uses some weird savegame version 19:08:32 <frosch123> is that actually part of h2h, or is it a miss-sync-merge? 19:09:46 <Yexo> version 121? 19:11:03 <frosch123> shouldn't it be SAVEGAME_VERSION_H2H ? 19:11:55 <Yexo> I think town_growth_counter is something from trunk, otherwise it's probably a miss-sync 19:15:11 * frosch123 prepares normal ngc game 19:15:24 <frosch123> same trunk version as before? 19:17:32 <frosch123> i have no experience with firs 19:17:39 <frosch123> what station rating should we use? 19:18:25 <Yexo> no clue 19:18:36 <Yexo> feel free to pick any other set of newgrfs (or none) if you like, I don't mind at all 19:25:13 <frosch123> ah, right, pm started a different server 19:25:32 <frosch123> planetmaker: i uploaded a save to svn-nightly/autopilot/save/uploads 19:25:42 <frosch123> ncg20120831.sav 19:28:20 <frosch123> i think i prepared a hard goal for 4 players :) 19:33:13 <planetmaker> normal nocargoal? 19:33:18 <frosch123> yes 19:34:46 <planetmaker> wtf...? crashes? 19:35:21 <planetmaker> (not your savegame) 19:35:51 <planetmaker> ah... yes. self-compiled 19:36:05 <frosch123> :) 19:36:26 *** Nachtigall has joined #openttdcoop.nightly 19:36:26 <Nachtigall> Autopilot engaged 19:36:26 <Nachtigall> Loading savegame: 'Nachtigall' 19:36:50 *** Nachtigall has quit IRC 19:37:03 <frosch123> 24489 is even older than the last time :p 19:37:17 <planetmaker> nope. we used that 19:37:26 <Terkhen> let me grab something quick for dinner and I'm ready :) 19:37:29 <frosch123> we used 24494 19:37:42 <planetmaker> really? well, I could simply wget a new one :-) 19:37:46 <planetmaker> better :-) 19:38:03 <frosch123> just tell which revision :) 19:38:10 *** Alberth has joined #openttdcoop.nightly 19:38:29 <frosch123> the savegame was created with r24494 19:38:42 <frosch123> so everything newer should be fine as well 19:38:53 <frosch123> no idea what we changed before that :p 19:39:22 <Yexo> translations / documentation 19:39:28 <Yexo> nothing important 19:39:48 <planetmaker> well.. let's use 24502 19:40:05 <frosch123> Yexo: there is even a feature :p 19:40:17 <frosch123> and even a nogo related fix 19:40:24 <planetmaker> but... why is now the port 3977 in use...? 19:40:35 <frosch123> maybe it needs to time out first? 19:41:18 <frosch123> if your previous server crashed, it might have already reserved the port, and it needs to time out 19:41:22 *** Nachtigall has joined #openttdcoop.nightly 19:41:22 <Nachtigall> Autopilot engaged 19:41:22 <Nachtigall> Loading savegame: 'Nachtigall' 19:41:28 <Yexo> you were right about town_growth_counter btw :) 19:41:33 <Yexo> changed it to savegame_version_h2h now 19:41:38 <planetmaker> !rcon content 19:41:38 <Nachtigall> planetmaker: you are not allowed to use !rcon 19:41:47 <planetmaker> ach? 19:41:55 <planetmaker> who is then? :D 19:41:57 <planetmaker> @op 19:42:02 <planetmaker> @services op 19:42:11 <frosch123> planetmaker: i used the ssh console last time :) 19:42:22 <planetmaker> :D 19:42:33 <frosch123> though it does not echo here 19:42:34 <planetmaker> that misses the content shortcut :D 19:43:01 <Terkhen> ready :P 19:43:26 <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players) 19:43:30 <Nachtigall> *** Game unpaused (manual) 19:44:07 <Yexo> pause please while we plan :) 19:44:09 <frosch123> planetmaker: wanna pause the server until everyone is there? 19:44:11 <frosch123> plus planning 19:45:22 <frosch123> well, or reload the save later :p 19:45:33 <Terkhen> what's the name of the server? 19:45:45 <frosch123> the only server running r24502 19:45:51 <frosch123> nachtigal 19:46:04 <frosch123> the coop nightly server, which tries to become a singer or so 19:46:16 <Nachtigall> *** Game paused (manual) 19:46:20 <Nachtigall> *** Game unpaused (manual) 19:46:32 <Nachtigall> *** Terkh3n has started a new company (#2) 19:47:12 <Terkhen> wow, the goal is crazy 19:47:27 <frosch123> yeah, we won too often :) 19:47:41 <frosch123> oh, milk is a primary cargo 19:47:41 <Nachtigall> <Yexo> passengers in tropic 19:47:46 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> it's impossible for me to win something like this, but I'll try :P 19:47:47 <frosch123> well, then it's easier than expected 19:48:03 <frosch123> and it was meant as coop, not as single player :p 19:48:08 <Terkhen> oh 19:48:18 <Terkhen> I assumed competition :P 19:48:23 <frosch123> alone you won't have a chance :p 19:48:26 <Terkhen> that makes it somewhat more possible 19:48:32 <Nachtigall> *** Terkh3n has joined spectators 19:48:42 <Nachtigall> *** Terkh3n has joined company #2 19:49:00 <frosch123> anyway, do we want to plan now, then restart? 19:49:08 <frosch123> or restart now, and then properly pause? :p 19:49:16 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> restart and pause I guess 19:49:17 <frosch123> we already missed half a year :p 19:49:18 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> :P 19:49:24 *** planetmaker has left #openttdcoop.nightly 19:49:29 *** planetmaker has joined #openttdcoop.nightly 19:49:35 <planetmaker> hm... doesn't help with ops 19:50:31 <Nachtigall> *** Terkh3n has joined spectators 19:51:12 <frosch123> Yexo: btw. last time we archieve the passenger goal with two lines between the 3 biggest cities 19:51:22 <frosch123> it actually was the first money maker 19:51:44 <Yexo> interesting 19:52:23 <Nachtigall> <Yexo> 4 towns, relatively close, but none of them in the desert 19:52:26 <Nachtigall> <Yexo> good spot to start? 19:52:32 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> sounds nice, where? 19:52:38 <Nachtigall> <Yexo> see the sign 19:52:44 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> oh, noted 19:53:19 <frosch123> what industry actually produces goods? :o 19:53:38 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> the metal workshop for example 19:53:44 <frosch123> ah, found one 19:53:49 <frosch123> now i can open the chain window 19:53:54 <Nachtigall> <Yexo> only 3 clusters with dairy farms for milk 19:54:02 <frosch123> somehow ottd lacks the option to show the chain window for a cargo 19:54:14 <frosch123> you always have to find a industry first, which accepts or produces it :) 19:54:33 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> given the small amount of cargo produced by farms, I'm not sure if the milk goal is feasible 19:54:39 <frosch123> so, lots of options to produce goods 19:54:50 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> oh 19:54:50 <frosch123> i fear the goal might turn out easier than expected 19:54:54 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> we can turn metal into milk! 19:55:20 <Nachtigall> <Yexo> good should be doable, passengers too 19:55:26 <Nachtigall> <Yexo> milk is going to be hard 19:55:38 <Nachtigall> <Yexo> there are actually 4 clusters 19:56:09 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> we should probably get farm supplies delivered to all of them as a priority 19:56:10 <frosch123> so we need farm supplies :) 19:56:37 <frosch123> anyway, i guess we start with pax as money maker again? 19:56:49 <planetmaker> two companies? 19:56:52 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> sounds fine to me 19:57:03 <Yexo> planetmaker: no, one 19:57:03 <frosch123> planetmaker: we need a restart of the server :) 19:57:05 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> planetmaker: I thought that it was competition at first :P 19:57:12 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> but yes, restart and pause :P 19:57:31 <planetmaker> I'll watch. But I'll mostly continue with setting up the machine to my likes 19:58:02 <frosch123> oh, should i then make admin? 19:58:06 <Yexo> what's the easiest way to make farm supplies? 19:58:15 <frosch123> i thought you would be around :) 19:59:09 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> either lime kilns or metal 19:59:39 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.nightly 19:59:39 <planetmaker> time is running... should it? 19:59:45 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> nope 19:59:47 <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players) 19:59:49 <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (number of players) 19:59:59 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> restart and pause until we know what we are going to do :) 20:00:01 <planetmaker> :D 20:00:14 <frosch123> restarted 20:00:17 <Nachtigall> *** Yexo has joined company #1 20:00:27 <Nachtigall> *** fr0sch has joined company #1 20:00:49 <Nachtigall> *** Terkh3n has joined company #1 20:00:51 <Nachtigall> <Yexo> see "lime kiln" sign 20:00:59 <Nachtigall> <Yexo> it's very close to a bunch of farms 20:01:22 <planetmaker> bootstrap setup works :D 20:01:32 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> there are two coal mines nearby, but no quarries 20:01:33 <frosch123> looks nice 20:01:53 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> but we don't need many supplies, that should be enough 20:01:56 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> do we have HEQS? 20:02:07 <Nachtigall> <Yexo> another problem is that there is no close dairy 20:02:14 <Nachtigall> <Yexo> yep :) 20:02:16 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> yes we do, I like using the gmund for delivering supplies 20:02:51 *** Alberth has left #openttdcoop.nightly 20:02:55 <frosch123> lime kiln 2 then? 20:02:58 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> the small dairy farm cluster south of that one has a dairy nearby 20:03:10 <andythenorth> ho 20:03:11 <frosch123> it is somewhat equally far form the stuff :p 20:03:14 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> all that milk will need to go down 20:03:20 * andythenorth has a plan to rebuild FMSP, but more on that another time 20:03:27 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> hi andythenorth, care to join us in our milk delivery adventure? 20:03:29 <andythenorth> it will be much better for NoCarGoal style games 20:03:35 <andythenorth> just getting the nightly 20:03:54 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> I'm going to number the clusters :P 20:03:56 <andythenorth> my single player NoCarGoal game is also milk :P 20:03:59 <Nachtigall> <Yexo> frosch: that one has no coal nearby 20:04:03 <Nachtigall> <Yexo> but otherwise seems fine 20:04:40 <frosch123> there is no place with strone and coal nearby, is there :) 20:04:41 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> there, numbers 20:04:51 <Nachtigall> <Yexo> not near any of the clusters 20:05:03 <Nachtigall> <Yexo> what do we use as mm? 20:05:03 <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (number of players) 20:05:16 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> mm? 20:05:17 <andythenorth> hmm 20:05:19 <Nachtigall> <Yexo> money maker 20:05:22 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> money maker 20:05:25 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> oh :P 20:05:31 <andythenorth> irc bot should know the goals :P 20:05:36 <andythenorth> via admin port or such 20:05:52 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> yes... should. could. doesn't :-( 20:05:57 <Yexo> request current goal status on irc via some command :p 20:06:04 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> screw it. sound config is for later... 20:06:05 <andythenorth> what are the goals? :P 20:06:06 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> there is a machine shop near cluster3 20:06:13 <frosch123> money maker between town1 to 3? 20:06:35 <andythenorth> which cargos? 20:06:40 <andythenorth> for goal? 20:06:41 <Nachtigall> <Yexo> seems fine frosch 20:06:44 <frosch123> there is a goal gui° 20:06:45 <frosch123> ! 20:06:58 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> subsidies menu -> goals 20:07:04 <andythenorth> ho ho 20:07:14 <andythenorth> pax, awesome 20:07:24 <andythenorth> I'd do pax as money maker 20:07:31 <andythenorth> wait for subsidies before starting that 20:07:40 <andythenorth> milk will be hard 20:07:43 <Nachtigall> <Yexo> and start with cluster 3 for milk? 20:07:47 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> brb 20:08:05 <Nachtigall> <Yexo> to dairy 1? 20:08:15 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> goods will be easy 20:08:25 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> last game we played, we didn't bother with big spine routes so much 20:08:26 <frosch123> yeah 20:08:31 <Nachtigall> <Yexo> dairy 2 would b better, but might be too far 20:08:33 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> it was more free-fro-all 20:08:33 <frosch123> so, are we settled? 20:08:37 <frosch123> first town 1-2-3 20:08:42 <frosch123> then cluster3-dairy1 20:08:57 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> you all know how to get goods quick? :P 20:09:00 <Nachtigall> <Yexo> let's go :) 20:09:10 <Nachtigall> <Yexo> tl 5 again? 20:09:20 <frosch123> go 20:09:21 <Nachtigall> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 20:09:35 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> I start at town1 20:09:37 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> textile mill + paper mill best sources of goods btw 20:09:51 <Nachtigall> *** planetm4ker has joined company #1 20:11:14 <Terkhen> sorry, I'm back 20:11:17 <frosch123> kelling? 20:11:34 <frosch123> nah cs2400 is better 20:11:49 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> CS2400 20:12:01 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> you built that fast :P 20:12:55 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> we are out of money already 20:12:57 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> :P 20:13:15 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> I need biggui as static :D 20:13:29 <Nachtigall> <Yexo> I think I should try that too 20:13:43 <Nachtigall> <Yexo> although shortcuts help mitigate that problem a lot 20:13:43 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> which screen do you have? but yes, I need it too 20:13:57 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> I just got 2x 1920x1200 :D 20:14:04 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> :o 20:14:06 <Nachtigall> <Yexo> 22", 1920x1200 20:14:08 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> heh :P 20:14:14 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> at 24" 20:14:28 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> one for irc 20:14:31 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> one for ttd :P 20:14:37 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> like that, yes, andy 20:14:40 <Nachtigall> <Yexo> second screen is my laptop, which I use for irc 20:14:42 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> I have 15'', 1920 x 1080 and it already feels too big 20:14:56 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I have 13" 1280 20:15:02 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> It doubles as my TV, too, though 20:15:04 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> and I want 800x600 instead :P 20:15:18 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> so, are we rich yet 20:15:18 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> ? 20:15:21 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> and I really need it for my photo stuff 20:15:32 <Nachtigall> <Yexo> can't you tell by how busy we are chatting? 20:15:42 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> should do the milk transfers with trams 20:15:44 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> we are chatting because the goal is fulfilled, right? 20:15:48 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> HEQS is relatively cheap in this game 20:16:02 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> or station walk :P 20:16:16 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> yes, I would not use trains for delivering cargo from each dairy farm 20:16:20 <Nachtigall> <Yexo> only 40k more or so for a milk train ;) 20:16:30 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> they start so small that for starters they are not worth the money 20:16:36 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> we should add pax feeders with busses 20:17:02 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> I'll add Breston to Linfingpool 20:17:09 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> I changed orders such that they full load at the terminal stations 20:17:11 <frosch123> or do we cheat with station walk? 20:17:22 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> station walk :P 20:17:25 <Nachtigall> <Yexo> not to far, but a little bit is ok 20:17:35 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> some of the CHIPS tiles are designed for station walking 20:17:37 <frosch123> i mean linfingpool 20:17:40 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> I thought of cheating a bit in Linfingpool 20:17:47 <frosch123> it only catches a very small amount of the houses 20:17:54 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I always cheat 16 tiles or so :P 20:17:58 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> it's set to 20 tiles, so it should allow us to grab passengers from both nearby towns 20:18:01 <frosch123> and there are other towns nearby on both ends 20:18:08 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> routing buses is dull :P 20:18:43 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> the station hotel is great for cheating :P 20:18:47 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> ;) 20:19:10 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> I cheated the whole of Linfingpool into the station :D 20:19:36 <Nachtigall> <Yexo> can I buy a milk train when we have some money? 20:20:02 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> oh the tracks is already there 20:20:12 <Nachtigall> <Yexo> yep 20:20:24 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> then by all means: please yes 20:20:26 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> we need more passenger trains too 20:20:29 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> but after that :P 20:20:47 <Nachtigall> <Yexo> tank or refrigerator wagons? 20:20:55 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> bikeshedding :P 20:21:05 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> pick cheapest :) 20:21:07 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> refrigerator. better payment 20:21:21 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> refrigerator for middle to long distances 20:21:31 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> depends on the running costs that planetmaker uses :P 20:21:33 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> hm, this is short, though 20:21:48 <Nachtigall> <Yexo> done 20:21:54 <Nachtigall> <Yexo> go ahead with more pax trains 20:22:16 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> did you plan something for supplying the dairy farms of cluster3? 20:22:22 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> machine shop? 20:22:40 <Nachtigall> <Yexo> lime kiln 2 was the plan at some point 20:22:42 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> for goods? 20:22:53 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> no, for agrarian supplies 20:22:57 <Nachtigall> <Yexo> pm: no, farm supplies for more milk 20:22:59 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> start delivering coal to Fentfield Steel mill ASAP 20:23:01 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> and iron ore 20:23:07 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> oh 20:23:18 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> can you put a sign? 20:23:24 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> sign, andy? 20:23:26 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> yup 20:23:44 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> done 20:23:55 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> that's far away from the milk clusters, what should we do with that metal? 20:24:01 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> you can do it locally with RV 20:24:03 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> then metal to the metal workshop nearby 20:24:05 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> for good 20:24:11 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> oh, sounds nice, yep 20:24:17 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> I'll do iron ore 20:24:33 <frosch123> removed the full load again 20:24:37 <frosch123> and set timetable instead 20:24:47 <frosch123> pax production is too imbalanced 20:25:29 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> gah, I need to finish the tram patch, I almost prepared everything to let them get stuck 20:25:47 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> you have a patch? :) 20:26:22 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> a mini patch to only build the beginning and end roadbit when it is necessary 20:26:40 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> of course the mini part got lost at some point 20:26:54 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> added a sign for clay delivery 20:26:58 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> can be used for trams 20:27:32 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> we should start with the milk, IMO goods are easier 20:27:38 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> whoa 20:27:42 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> we need passenger trains first 20:27:48 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> check Linfingpool 20:27:58 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> more pax trains 20:28:04 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> lots of money in pax :) 20:28:08 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> I build a connection from metal to machine shop 20:28:18 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> please tell when I can continue with respect to money 20:28:24 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> do the subsidy too! 20:28:26 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> with buses only! 20:28:29 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> two more pax trains should be enough 20:28:52 <Nachtigall> <Yexo> andy: which machine shop? 20:29:02 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> see sign 20:29:34 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> really :o 20:29:40 <Yexo> <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> I build a connection from metal to machine shop <- I don't see it 20:29:46 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> oh 20:29:48 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> no av8 :( 20:29:58 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> usually I go to nearest machine shop to steel mill 20:30:04 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> then fly supplies by jet 20:30:18 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> hm... how do I place a sign? :O 20:30:21 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> 20:30:25 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> landscape menu 20:30:27 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> my shortcut doesn't work here 20:30:33 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> landscape toolbar 20:30:43 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> I added another pass train 20:30:50 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> milk doesn't travel by coal tram ;) 20:31:04 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> see Harbour 1 and 2 20:31:06 <Nachtigall> <Yexo> I just figured that out :p 20:31:12 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> they get a port and a rail station? 20:31:35 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> ships are way too expensive 20:31:41 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> they don't work for this 20:32:04 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I need to fix FISH costs, it's useless for NoCarGoal 20:32:14 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> true. way too expensive 20:32:20 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> but that's not realistic!!!!!!! 20:32:22 <frosch123> there was no param, i checked :) 20:32:25 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> trains will make much more money than a ship currently 20:32:29 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> no parameter no 20:32:36 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> andythen0rth: I reported that bug years ago :P 20:32:42 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> new dairy just got built 20:32:48 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> I remember making a comparison between a train and a coaster 20:32:50 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> where? 20:33:02 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> ha 20:33:12 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> near the *massive* cluser in north 20:33:18 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> I'm going to add yet another pass train when we have enough money 20:33:21 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> wow, awesome :) 20:33:39 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> andy: it's cheaper than bridging... 20:33:39 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> oh, someone took my money :( 20:33:45 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> for pax train :) 20:33:51 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> ok :P 20:34:02 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> two monkeys, same idea :p 20:34:06 <Nachtigall> <Yexo> I'm starting on connecting cluster 1 20:34:08 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> cluster3 and cluster1 should be our priorities then 20:34:25 *** Zuu has joined #openttdcoop.nightly 20:34:34 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> I'm going to start with the supply network for cluster3 20:35:04 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> shouldn't we setup one cluster first? 20:35:26 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> cluster3 seems to be set, except for the supplies 20:36:13 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> I'll get them from lime kiln 2, just one quarry should be enough 20:36:21 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> but there is another one nearby ust in case 20:38:59 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> do the subsidies! :) 20:39:02 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> use buses! 20:41:39 <Nachtigall> <Yexo> cluster 1 completely connected 20:41:42 <Nachtigall> <Yexo> just no supplies yet 20:42:04 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> supplies for 3 will take a while until I get money, but the lime kiln is getting stone already 20:42:22 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> chances are supplies won't come fast enough to increase production :P 20:42:36 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> I setup a goods chain East of cluster 1 20:42:59 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> who wants to bother with setting up the gmunds to deliver supplies to cluster3? I still don't know how to use timetables :P 20:43:30 <frosch123> why does it need timetables? 20:43:59 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> supplies make cargo increase if they are delivered each month 20:44:09 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> so it is best to keep them spaced 20:44:15 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> or is that not possible with trunk? 20:44:18 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> ok, i can do that 20:44:24 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> thanks :) 20:44:34 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> btw. do we want yet another pax train? 20:44:40 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> I have seen so many timetable patches that I have no clue of what they can do or not 20:44:54 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> hmm... it might make trains wait a bit at Linfingpool 20:45:00 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> but we could always add more passengers from Plartwood 20:45:03 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> frosch: they make money, if they're used 20:45:06 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> hi Zuuu btw :P 20:45:18 <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> Hello :-) 20:45:36 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> I'm going to add Plartwood passengers 20:45:42 <Nachtigall> *** Zuuu has joined company #1 20:45:47 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> do subsidies! 20:45:50 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> that should make another passenger train worthwile 20:45:55 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> these buses will pay back in a few months 20:45:57 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> andythen0rth: you have been tasked with subsidy completion, have fun! 20:46:00 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> meh 20:46:47 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> why are buses so expensive? I thought that I reduced their cost 20:47:05 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> game is biased to trains :P 20:47:07 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> 17k for a bus... meh 20:47:09 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> someone else is already building mugs :) 20:47:17 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> change costs in game? :P 20:47:35 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> andythen0rth: it is using opengfx+ road vehicles, I plan to adjust them directly there 20:48:09 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> bus is only 8k for me 20:48:16 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> € 20:48:23 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> ah 20:49:10 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> ha we have improved station ratings :) 20:49:12 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> that helps 20:49:22 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> Yexo: the trams at cluster1 are blocking each other 20:49:28 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> cluster fuck :P 20:50:31 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> we could use lime kiln 2 for cluster 2 too 20:50:37 <Nachtigall> <Yexo> coal train wasn't refitted to coal 20:50:48 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> but since that's the smallest cluster we should leave it for later 20:52:35 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> what's our timeframe? 20:52:41 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> 1975 20:52:47 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> IIRC 20:52:49 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> 1974 20:52:51 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> Zuu: idea for goal window :-) 20:52:58 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> it has it 20:53:00 <Nachtigall> <Yexo> pm: it's in there 20:53:04 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> difficult to judge, if the end year... oh? 20:53:32 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> in the news which we get? 20:53:38 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> the goal window: yes 20:53:56 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> I don't see it in the news 20:54:46 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> oh my... RV are too inefficient for long distances. Wrt money 20:54:56 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> yes 20:54:59 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> costs need rebalancing 20:55:04 <frosch123> yay, i am not the only fool who forgot to refit the mugs 20:55:15 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> Like Rinston Quarry, Lenbury lime kiln, tronford transfer 20:55:37 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> rinston quarry can be switched to a train 20:55:48 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> I'll do that once I'm done with the mogs 20:57:15 <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> planetm4ker: Yep indeed, the goal window include the end year 20:57:45 <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> When you accomplish a goal, you get reminded about it but otherwise you are supposed to remember it or look it up in tho goal window. 20:58:23 <Nachtigall> <Yexo> meh, I kinda dislike all the small tram/road lines 20:58:25 <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> It will after all not change through the game and I don't want to add more text than neccessary to the news. 20:58:31 <Nachtigall> <Yexo> I much prefer big train networks 20:59:09 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> train schmain :) 21:00:11 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> that 21:00:13 <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> Yexo: If the data from infra maintaneence is exposed to GS, it could penaltize road building by first give a warning and then "hang" the game by pausing it and then do a DoCommand :-p 21:00:19 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> :P 21:00:53 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> it would be nice to see the progress for each argo 21:00:55 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> cargo 21:01:17 <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> You mean as in a graph? 21:01:33 <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> Or just percent values in a window? 21:01:48 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> a % is fine too, right now I don't know what is the 77% completed 21:01:58 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> closest cargo to goal? 21:02:01 <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> 77% is the closest cargo. 21:02:19 <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> Wait max 30 days and you'll know which cargo it is. 21:02:51 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> I thought that we were not doing station walking :P 21:02:57 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I am 21:02:57 <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> But I do second the idea that maybe GS should get a generic capability to create windows. 21:03:07 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> that would be great, yes 21:03:21 <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> Or allow it to create windows from a set of templates where it fills in the data. 21:04:19 <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> Eg. stats/table, history graph,. 21:04:33 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> generic widgets that you can "feed" with data and labels? 21:05:09 <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> For the table, it could be that the GS tells how many columns/rows it should have and then have a SetCell(row, col, content) 21:05:11 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> oh 21:05:11 <Nachtigall> <Yexo> out of money again 21:05:19 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> coal wagons are default to lumber :P 21:05:21 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> oops 21:05:33 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> :D 21:06:15 <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> There may also be some additional visualization widgets that you can set for a column/row. Eg. a progress bar like in the detailed performance window. 21:06:42 <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> Though that needs not just a value, but also a max/min value. 21:06:49 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> that also should let you set % of completion, colour, label... 21:07:49 <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> I think the goal window should get some more data like % completed and also make it possible to mark a goal completed and have it stay there. 21:08:11 <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> But there will be GSs where the goal window will not be enough. 21:08:27 <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> In that case, generic windows might be useful. 21:08:37 <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> Although it needs coding first :-) 21:08:43 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> yes, the goal window should serve as a summary 21:09:01 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> with each goal getting a "details" button to open the window 21:09:15 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> the generic window* 21:09:31 <Nachtigall> <Yexo> what accepts goods? towns? 21:09:41 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> YES 21:09:47 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> ups, caps 21:10:01 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> and some small industries IIRC 21:10:11 <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> I was thinking about if the performance history stuff can be turned off when there is a goal GS, that menu could be used for goals as well as dynamic windows created by the GS. 21:10:13 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> the petrol station for example 21:10:19 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> hardware store 21:10:54 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> I expected to find the goals window at the menu where the performance rating is 21:11:12 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> and, IMO, the performance rating window serves no purpose with goalscripts 21:11:22 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> and the GS should get control of the company league table 21:11:25 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> +1 21:11:35 <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> I can understand the placement next to subsidaries, but it is very hidden where it is now. 21:11:35 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> goals should be in the performance window 21:11:35 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> +1 21:11:41 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> makes no sense in subsidies 21:11:47 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> :) 21:11:49 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> so maybe the GS should have the possibility of adding new menu entries to that menu 21:11:55 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> with new generic windows 21:11:59 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> and just do whatever it wants with them :P 21:12:13 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> maybe it should be under the big cup in the main window. the primary window 21:12:15 <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> Terkh3n: my idea yes :-) 21:12:21 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> :) 21:12:27 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> we achieved a goal, but which one? 21:12:33 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> pax 21:12:35 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> passengers I guess 21:12:37 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> pax 21:12:40 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> how can we check it? 21:12:48 <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> Terkh3n: You achieved BRONZE :-) 21:13:07 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> ` 21:13:09 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> but we could achieve bronze by, for example, transporting milk too 21:13:19 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> not on this map :P 21:13:25 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> not a chance :) 21:13:33 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> we are so screwed :) 21:13:35 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> goods will be very challanging 21:13:45 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> I know, what I mean is that the goal window does not tell me which one I got already 21:13:47 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> in this case is obvious 21:13:49 <Nachtigall> <Yexo> we'll have to step up goods production very soon 21:13:52 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> but that will not be always the case 21:14:02 <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> The goal does however not dictate which cargo to use. But sure it *could* include that too in the news item. 21:14:12 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> milk seems to be dene as better as possible, let's focus on goods 21:14:27 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> done* 21:15:47 <Terkhen> brb 21:18:32 <Nachtigall> <Yexo> meh, wool is no goods 21:18:43 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> it's lame :P 21:19:37 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> back, what are we doing? 21:20:43 <Nachtigall> <Yexo> upping goods productions 21:20:50 <Nachtigall> <Yexo> oh, and refitting wool trains to goods :p 21:21:08 <Nachtigall> * Zuuu wasted 180 bucks on a HQ - my only contribution to this game so far :-) 21:21:34 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> I'm going to do andy's clay pit drop 21:21:42 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> why does it say "not a lot"? 21:21:45 <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> No idea if it will actually pay off with the passengers it generates. 21:21:53 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> you don't get much goods out from clay 21:21:55 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> since when there is a "not a lot" limit in openttd?? 21:21:57 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> need wood too 21:22:03 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> and chemicals 21:22:09 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> that will come after the clay :P 21:24:47 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> I need 45k 21:24:53 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> take them :P 21:25:03 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> done :-) 21:25:37 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> now I need 95k 21:25:56 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> there, done 21:29:06 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> 33%... this does not look good :P 21:29:53 <Nachtigall> <Yexo> already given up on goods? 21:29:59 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> no no no 21:29:59 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> :) 21:30:05 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> see how close we can get :P 21:30:19 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> I'm making a line :P 21:32:39 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> Lennville Valley is quite nicely productive :-) 21:33:07 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> but not enough. And will Milk make it? 21:33:39 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> probably not, the farms are not growing much :P 21:34:38 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> the goals window should also resize to an appropiate size 21:36:43 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> one of the shortcomings is: I don't see any woods / forests... 21:36:57 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> there are some up north 21:37:12 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> I was looking for some wood for my paper mill but no luck 21:41:06 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I need my bed :( 21:41:09 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> think we'll win this one? 21:41:16 <Nachtigall> <Yexo> I don't think so 21:41:26 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> FIRS is too hard 21:41:38 <Nachtigall> <Yexo> very little production increase 21:41:48 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> I'm always amazed by how fast you jump to conclusions, andythen0rth :P 21:41:50 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I have a plan to make supplies behaviour much more generous 21:42:05 <Nachtigall> * andythen0rth can also unjump 21:42:48 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> true :P 21:42:58 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> the farm clusters fun yet? 21:43:08 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I think the collecting is fun 21:43:11 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> I think that farm clusters are fun 21:43:17 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> but they need to grow faster :P 21:43:17 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> not sure the delivering supplies is so good :P 21:43:24 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> meh... total bollocks what I just built 21:43:58 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> FIRS needs more like 15 years or so 21:44:13 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> this is only 9 21:44:16 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> maybe, yup 21:45:18 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> Kenningville Height wasn't accepting oil 21:45:28 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> oops :) 21:45:47 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> I have added an oil train from far away 21:55:47 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> someone extends a line which doesn't need it :D 21:56:26 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> which one? 21:56:56 <Nachtigall> <Yexo> pm: where? 21:56:58 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> those trucks are just cycling goods 21:56:58 <Nachtigall> <Yexo> might have been me 21:57:08 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> frunnton halt 21:57:08 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> at !this :-) 21:57:18 <Nachtigall> <Yexo> it now is part of a very long wood line 21:57:26 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> oh. nice :-) 21:57:42 <Nachtigall> <Yexo> from !a to !b 21:57:52 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> food markets don't accept goods :o 21:57:54 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> :P 21:59:45 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> we are closer now 22:02:51 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> check #this 22:03:09 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> why does it have two different stations? 22:03:12 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> yes... the goods ended up at the wrong station... 22:03:14 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> goods are piling up at the other platforms 22:03:16 <Nachtigall> <Yexo> one for delivery, one for acceptance 22:03:18 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> pickup and drop 22:03:20 <Nachtigall> <Yexo> but somebody messed up 22:03:32 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> I'll fix it 22:03:42 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> uhm... 22:03:48 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> how? 22:04:14 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> don't... this way. You'll kill 300 goods 22:04:18 <Nachtigall> <Yexo> build new drop station, change orders, remove old drop station 22:04:56 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> that's what I was doing, but planetm4ker stopped me :P 22:04:58 <Nachtigall> <V453000> hello 22:05:02 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> hi V453000 22:05:04 <Nachtigall> <Yexo> heyhey 22:05:18 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> planetm4ker: how can it be done then? 22:05:45 <Nachtigall> <V453000> 50k milk? :D 22:05:47 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> well... I might have simply killed the pickup. And make it one. But now it doesn't matter 22:05:57 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> and we again have two with goods 22:06:00 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> :P 22:06:03 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> brb 22:08:51 <Nachtigall> <V453000> these foundry transporters looks superb andy 22:08:57 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> :) 22:12:18 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> meh, 84% 22:12:20 <Nachtigall> <V453000> o_O 22:12:24 <frosch123> Zuu: the message in the goal gui is wrong 22:12:28 <Nachtigall> <V453000> what is that pause 22:12:34 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> ho ho 22:12:37 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> Oh. The final window is nice, Zuu 22:12:39 <Nachtigall> * andythen0rth wanted sleep anyway :) 22:12:40 <frosch123> it says "end of 74", while the time is "begin of 74" 22:12:41 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> I pressed del by mistake so I can't see what it says :P 22:12:56 <Nachtigall> <V453000> oh :o 22:13:02 <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> yes, it is wrong 22:13:12 <Nachtigall> *** Terkh3n has left the game (leaving) 22:13:20 <Terkhen> but this script is quite fun :O 22:13:22 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> indeed 22:13:40 <frosch123> we would have succeeded with milk if there would be one more year :) 22:13:48 <frosch123> but, we kind of failed with goods 22:13:59 <Terkhen> we'll do better next time 22:14:00 <Terkhen> :P 22:14:14 <Terkhen> it's fun to have a short game that feels complete :) 22:14:19 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> yes, we failed with goods. It's a secondary or tertiary product. Difficult with firs 22:14:55 <frosch123> well, i generated the map like 5 times, to get interesting cargos :p 22:15:03 <frosch123> i did not wanted a game with 3 primaries :) 22:15:06 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> I'd like if a goal script could make a screen like the TTD 2050 screen 22:15:16 <Zuu> frosch123: What is wrong? 22:15:24 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> that'd be good :-) 22:15:34 <frosch123> Zuu: it says "till end of year", while it is "till begin of year" 22:15:53 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> Zuu: compare engame window with goal window 22:16:04 <Terkhen> planetmaker: me too :P 22:16:21 <Nachtigall> <V453000> I think it would be good if there was an option for like total throughput per year goal 22:16:23 <Nachtigall> <V453000> instead of toal 22:16:27 <Nachtigall> <V453000> total* 22:16:28 <Terkhen> good night :) 22:16:32 <Nachtigall> <V453000> gn 22:16:50 <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> Ok, I guess i was not remembering the implementation correctly when I re-made the goal strings. 22:17:39 <frosch123> should we make a wiki page listing the cargo types, the years, amount transported and people playing? 22:17:53 <frosch123> so we get some reference of what is realistic? 22:18:05 <Yexo> don't forget used newgrfs 22:18:12 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> keeping statistics on that might be nice. 22:18:14 <Yexo> but yes, that'd be highly useful 22:18:16 <frosch123> well, industry grf mainly 22:18:31 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> game year is important, too as it defines vehicles 22:18:59 <Nachtigall> *** Yexo has left the game (leaving) 22:19:49 <Yexo> it was a lot of fun again :) 22:19:51 <Yexo> good night 22:19:56 <andythenorth> good night 22:20:02 *** andythenorth has left #openttdcoop.nightly 22:20:13 <Nachtigall> *** V453000 has left the game (leaving) 22:22:39 <Nachtigall> *** andythen0rth has left the game (general timeout) 22:22:39 <Nachtigall> *** andythen0rth has left the game (connection lost) 22:25:01 <Nachtigall> *** planetm4ker has left the game (leaving) 22:30:27 <Nachtigall> *** Zuuu has left the game (leaving) 22:33:59 <Nachtigall> *** fr0sch has left the game (leaving) 22:37:13 <frosch123> https://secure.openttd.org/wiki/NoCarGoal <- i cannot remember more games 22:37:37 <frosch123> the first one is the second one from the blog 22:37:48 <frosch123> the second one is from 2012-08-26 22:37:55 <frosch123> the third one is from today 22:38:11 <frosch123> for the first two, the numbers are from my memory (divided by 2) 22:45:29 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 22:48:42 *** Zuu has quit IRC