Log for #openttdcoop.nightly on 31st August 2012:
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18:01:21  <Yexo> planetmaker: could you set up a server with please?
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18:29:45  <frosch123> well, i have ssh access as well, in case you don't :)
18:30:14  <frosch123> though i have no idea at what poiint i offend coop for using their servers while not being a member :p
18:30:40  <Yexo> I have ssh access, although I'm not sure to this server
18:30:47  <Yexo> and it's been a long time since I used it
18:31:06  <Yexo> <- a savegame we could play
18:31:25  <Yexo> firs/opengfx+, 25k goal, each person has a 256x512 map, max 8 persons
18:31:45  <frosch123> how many years?
18:31:49  <Yexo> 7
18:32:35  <planetmaker> Yexo: yes... same repo?
18:32:44  <Yexo> h2h repo
18:33:09  <Yexo>
18:33:20  <Yexo> but didn't you only have gcc 4.5 on the server?
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18:36:32  <planetmaker> ach... damn, yes, we do
18:48:26  <planetmaker> Yexo: is there a download?
18:48:35  <planetmaker> for the binary?
18:48:56  <frosch123> hmm, my ottd crashes when i load that savegame :s
18:49:25  <Yexo> planetmaker: www.openttdorg/download-h2h
18:50:31  <frosch123> assert(IsTileType(t, MP_OBJECT));
18:50:37  <frosch123> did you compile without assertions?
18:50:48  <Yexo> nope, running a debug build all the time
18:51:14  <Yexo> but it doesn't load for me either :(
18:51:22  <Yexo> seems I messed up something wrt savegames
18:53:00  <frosch123> a object in the pool refers to a tree tile
18:54:56  <Yexo> indeed :(
18:56:54  <planetmaker> doesn't start... is it me or... ?
18:57:19  <planetmaker> btw, the h2h server is bound to the channel #coopetiton :D
18:57:20  <Yexo> it should be able to generate a new game
18:57:24  <planetmaker> #coopetition
18:58:20  <Yexo> seems we won't be able to play h2h tonight
18:58:26  <Yexo> too many bugs left, sorry
18:59:45  <Yexo> perhaps a "regular" nocargoal game tonight?
19:00:53  <frosch123> yup, who makes a save?
19:01:48  <Yexo> not me, I'm busy debugging (but will make time to play)
19:02:18  <Terkhen> I'm still finishing this game
19:02:24  <Terkhen> I need yet another half an hour :P
19:03:35  <frosch123> Yexo: settings.ini seems to have an too old "from" version, though that is likely not the problem here
19:04:37  <Yexo> indeed, I'll fix that
19:06:47  <frosch123> same for town_growth_counter,
19:07:50  <Yexo> what's with town_growth_counter?
19:08:02  <frosch123> it uses some weird savegame version
19:08:32  <frosch123> is that actually part of h2h, or is it a miss-sync-merge?
19:09:46  <Yexo> version 121?
19:11:03  <frosch123> shouldn't it be SAVEGAME_VERSION_H2H ?
19:11:55  <Yexo> I think town_growth_counter is something from trunk, otherwise it's probably a miss-sync
19:15:11  * frosch123 prepares normal ngc game
19:15:24  <frosch123> same trunk version as before?
19:17:32  <frosch123> i have no experience with firs
19:17:39  <frosch123> what station rating should we use?
19:18:25  <Yexo> no clue
19:18:36  <Yexo> feel free to pick any other set of newgrfs (or none) if you like, I don't mind at all
19:25:13  <frosch123> ah, right, pm started a different server
19:25:32  <frosch123> planetmaker: i uploaded a save to svn-nightly/autopilot/save/uploads
19:25:42  <frosch123> ncg20120831.sav
19:28:20  <frosch123> i think i prepared a hard goal for 4 players :)
19:33:13  <planetmaker> normal nocargoal?
19:33:18  <frosch123> yes
19:34:46  <planetmaker> wtf...? crashes?
19:35:21  <planetmaker> (not your savegame)
19:35:51  <planetmaker> ah... yes. self-compiled
19:36:05  <frosch123> :)
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19:36:26  <Nachtigall> Autopilot engaged
19:36:26  <Nachtigall> Loading savegame: 'Nachtigall'
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19:37:03  <frosch123> 24489 is even older than the last time :p
19:37:17  <planetmaker> nope. we used that
19:37:26  <Terkhen> let me grab something quick for dinner and I'm ready :)
19:37:29  <frosch123> we used 24494
19:37:42  <planetmaker> really? well, I could simply wget a new one :-)
19:37:46  <planetmaker> better :-)
19:38:03  <frosch123> just tell which revision :)
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19:38:29  <frosch123> the savegame was created with r24494
19:38:42  <frosch123> so everything newer should be fine as well
19:38:53  <frosch123> no idea what we changed before that :p
19:39:22  <Yexo> translations / documentation
19:39:28  <Yexo> nothing important
19:39:48  <planetmaker> well.. let's use 24502
19:40:05  <frosch123> Yexo: there is even a feature :p
19:40:17  <frosch123> and even a nogo related fix
19:40:24  <planetmaker> but... why is now the port 3977 in use...?
19:40:35  <frosch123> maybe it needs to time out first?
19:41:18  <frosch123> if your previous server crashed, it might have already reserved the port, and it needs to time out
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19:41:22  <Nachtigall> Autopilot engaged
19:41:22  <Nachtigall> Loading savegame: 'Nachtigall'
19:41:28  <Yexo> you were right about town_growth_counter btw :)
19:41:33  <Yexo> changed it to savegame_version_h2h now
19:41:38  <planetmaker> !rcon content
19:41:38  <Nachtigall> planetmaker: you are not allowed to use !rcon
19:41:47  <planetmaker> ach?
19:41:55  <planetmaker> who is then? :D
19:41:57  <planetmaker> @op
19:42:02  <planetmaker> @services op
19:42:11  <frosch123> planetmaker: i used the ssh console last time :)
19:42:22  <planetmaker> :D
19:42:33  <frosch123> though it does not echo here
19:42:34  <planetmaker> that misses the content shortcut :D
19:43:01  <Terkhen> ready :P
19:43:26  <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players)
19:43:30  <Nachtigall> *** Game unpaused (manual)
19:44:07  <Yexo> pause please while we plan :)
19:44:09  <frosch123> planetmaker: wanna pause the server until everyone is there?
19:44:11  <frosch123> plus planning
19:45:22  <frosch123> well, or reload the save later :p
19:45:33  <Terkhen> what's the name of the server?
19:45:45  <frosch123> the only server running r24502
19:45:51  <frosch123> nachtigal
19:46:04  <frosch123> the coop nightly server, which tries to become a singer or so
19:46:16  <Nachtigall> *** Game paused (manual)
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19:46:32  <Nachtigall> *** Terkh3n has started a new company (#2)
19:47:12  <Terkhen> wow, the goal is crazy
19:47:27  <frosch123> yeah, we won too often :)
19:47:41  <frosch123> oh, milk is a primary cargo
19:47:41  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> passengers in tropic
19:47:46  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> it's impossible for me to win something like this, but I'll try :P
19:47:47  <frosch123> well, then it's easier than expected
19:48:03  <frosch123> and it was meant as coop, not as single player :p
19:48:08  <Terkhen> oh
19:48:18  <Terkhen> I assumed competition :P
19:48:23  <frosch123> alone you won't have a chance :p
19:48:26  <Terkhen> that makes it somewhat more possible
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19:49:00  <frosch123> anyway, do we want to plan now, then restart?
19:49:08  <frosch123> or restart now, and then properly pause? :p
19:49:16  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> restart and pause I guess
19:49:17  <frosch123> we already missed half a year :p
19:49:18  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> :P
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19:49:35  <planetmaker> hm... doesn't help with ops
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19:51:12  <frosch123> Yexo: btw. last time we archieve the passenger goal with two lines between the 3 biggest cities
19:51:22  <frosch123> it actually was the first money maker
19:51:44  <Yexo> interesting
19:52:23  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> 4 towns, relatively close, but none of them in the desert
19:52:26  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> good spot to start?
19:52:32  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> sounds nice, where?
19:52:38  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> see the sign
19:52:44  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> oh, noted
19:53:19  <frosch123> what industry actually produces goods? :o
19:53:38  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> the metal workshop for example
19:53:44  <frosch123> ah, found one
19:53:49  <frosch123> now i can open the chain window
19:53:54  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> only 3 clusters with dairy farms for milk
19:54:02  <frosch123> somehow ottd lacks the option to show the chain window for a cargo
19:54:14  <frosch123> you always have to find a industry first, which accepts or produces it :)
19:54:33  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> given the small amount of cargo produced by farms, I'm not sure if the milk goal is feasible
19:54:39  <frosch123> so, lots of options to produce goods
19:54:50  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> oh
19:54:50  <frosch123> i fear the goal might turn out easier than expected
19:54:54  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> we can turn metal into milk!
19:55:20  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> good should be doable, passengers too
19:55:26  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> milk is going to be hard
19:55:38  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> there are actually 4 clusters
19:56:09  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> we should probably get farm supplies delivered to all of them as a priority
19:56:10  <frosch123> so we need farm supplies :)
19:56:37  <frosch123> anyway, i guess we start with pax as money maker again?
19:56:49  <planetmaker> two companies?
19:56:52  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> sounds fine to me
19:57:03  <Yexo> planetmaker: no, one
19:57:03  <frosch123> planetmaker: we need a restart of the server :)
19:57:05  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> planetmaker: I thought that it was competition at first :P
19:57:12  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> but yes, restart and pause :P
19:57:31  <planetmaker> I'll watch. But I'll mostly continue with setting up the machine to my likes
19:58:02  <frosch123> oh, should i then make admin?
19:58:06  <Yexo> what's the easiest way to make farm supplies?
19:58:15  <frosch123> i thought you would be around :)
19:59:09  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> either lime kilns or metal
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19:59:39  <planetmaker> time is running... should it?
19:59:45  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> nope
19:59:47  <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players)
19:59:49  <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (number of players)
19:59:59  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> restart and pause until we know what we are going to do :)
20:00:01  <planetmaker> :D
20:00:14  <frosch123> restarted
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20:00:51  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> see "lime kiln" sign
20:00:59  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> it's very close to a bunch of farms
20:01:22  <planetmaker> bootstrap setup works :D
20:01:32  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> there are two coal mines nearby, but no quarries
20:01:33  <frosch123> looks nice
20:01:53  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> but we don't need many supplies, that should be enough
20:01:56  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> do we have HEQS?
20:02:07  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> another problem is that there is no close  dairy
20:02:14  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> yep :)
20:02:16  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> yes we do, I like using the gmund for delivering supplies
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20:02:55  <frosch123> lime kiln 2 then?
20:02:58  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> the small dairy farm cluster south of that one has a dairy nearby
20:03:10  <andythenorth> ho
20:03:11  <frosch123> it is somewhat equally far form the stuff :p
20:03:14  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> all that milk will need to go down
20:03:20  * andythenorth has a plan to rebuild FMSP, but more on that another time
20:03:27  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> hi andythenorth, care to join us in our milk delivery adventure?
20:03:29  <andythenorth> it will be much better for NoCarGoal style games
20:03:35  <andythenorth> just getting the nightly
20:03:54  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> I'm going to number the clusters :P
20:03:56  <andythenorth> my single player NoCarGoal game is also milk :P
20:03:59  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> frosch: that one has no coal nearby
20:04:03  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> but otherwise seems fine
20:04:40  <frosch123> there is no place with strone and coal nearby, is there :)
20:04:41  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> there, numbers
20:04:51  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> not near any of the clusters
20:05:03  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> what do we use as mm?
20:05:03  <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (number of players)
20:05:16  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> mm?
20:05:17  <andythenorth> hmm
20:05:19  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> money maker
20:05:22  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> money maker
20:05:25  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> oh :P
20:05:31  <andythenorth> irc bot should know the goals :P
20:05:36  <andythenorth> via admin port or such
20:05:52  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> yes... should. could. doesn't :-(
20:05:57  <Yexo> request current goal status on irc via some command :p
20:06:04  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> screw it. sound config is for later...
20:06:05  <andythenorth> what are the goals? :P
20:06:06  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> there is a machine shop near cluster3
20:06:13  <frosch123> money maker between town1 to 3?
20:06:35  <andythenorth> which cargos?
20:06:40  <andythenorth> for goal?
20:06:41  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> seems fine frosch
20:06:44  <frosch123> there is a goal gui°
20:06:45  <frosch123> !
20:06:58  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> subsidies menu -> goals
20:07:04  <andythenorth> ho ho
20:07:14  <andythenorth> pax, awesome
20:07:24  <andythenorth> I'd do pax as money maker
20:07:31  <andythenorth> wait for subsidies before starting that
20:07:40  <andythenorth> milk will be hard
20:07:43  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> and start with cluster 3 for milk?
20:07:47  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> brb
20:08:05  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> to dairy 1?
20:08:15  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> goods will be easy
20:08:25  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> last game we played, we didn't bother with big spine routes so much
20:08:26  <frosch123> yeah
20:08:31  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> dairy 2 would b better, but might be too far
20:08:33  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> it was more free-fro-all
20:08:33  <frosch123> so, are we settled?
20:08:37  <frosch123> first town 1-2-3
20:08:42  <frosch123> then cluster3-dairy1
20:08:57  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> you all know how to get goods quick? :P
20:09:00  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> let's go :)
20:09:10  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> tl 5 again?
20:09:20  <frosch123> go
20:09:21  <Nachtigall> *** Game unpaused (number of players)
20:09:35  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> I start at town1
20:09:37  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> textile mill + paper mill best sources of goods btw
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20:11:14  <Terkhen> sorry, I'm back
20:11:17  <frosch123> kelling?
20:11:34  <frosch123> nah cs2400 is better
20:11:49  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> CS2400
20:12:01  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> you built that fast :P
20:12:55  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> we are out of money already
20:12:57  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> :P
20:13:15  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> I need biggui as static :D
20:13:29  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> I think I should try that too
20:13:43  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> although shortcuts help mitigate that problem a lot
20:13:43  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> which screen do you have? but yes, I need it too
20:13:57  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> I just got 2x 1920x1200 :D
20:14:04  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> :o
20:14:06  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> 22", 1920x1200
20:14:08  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> heh :P
20:14:14  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> at 24"
20:14:28  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> one for irc
20:14:31  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> one for ttd :P
20:14:37  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> like that, yes, andy
20:14:40  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> second screen is my laptop, which I use for irc
20:14:42  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> I have 15'', 1920 x 1080 and it already feels too big
20:14:56  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I have 13" 1280
20:15:02  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> It doubles as my TV, too, though
20:15:04  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> and I want 800x600 instead :P
20:15:18  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> so, are we rich yet
20:15:18  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> ?
20:15:21  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> and I really need it for my photo stuff
20:15:32  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> can't you tell by how busy we are chatting?
20:15:42  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> should do the milk transfers with trams
20:15:44  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> we are chatting because the goal is fulfilled, right?
20:15:48  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> HEQS is relatively cheap in this game
20:16:02  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> or station walk :P
20:16:16  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> yes, I would not use trains for delivering cargo from each dairy farm
20:16:20  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> only 40k more or so for a milk train ;)
20:16:30  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> they start so small that for starters they are not worth the money
20:16:36  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> we should add pax feeders with busses
20:17:02  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> I'll add Breston to Linfingpool
20:17:09  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> I changed orders such that they full load at the terminal stations
20:17:11  <frosch123> or do we cheat with station walk?
20:17:22  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> station walk :P
20:17:25  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> not to far, but a little bit is ok
20:17:35  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> some of the CHIPS tiles are designed for station walking
20:17:37  <frosch123> i mean linfingpool
20:17:40  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> I thought of cheating a bit in Linfingpool
20:17:47  <frosch123> it only catches a very small amount of the houses
20:17:54  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I always cheat 16 tiles or so :P
20:17:58  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> it's set to 20 tiles, so it should allow us to grab passengers from both nearby towns
20:18:01  <frosch123> and there are other towns nearby on both ends
20:18:08  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> routing buses is dull :P
20:18:43  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> the station hotel is great for cheating :P
20:18:47  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> ;)
20:19:10  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> I cheated the whole of Linfingpool into the station :D
20:19:36  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> can I buy a milk train when we have some money?
20:20:02  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> oh the tracks is already there
20:20:12  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> yep
20:20:24  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> then by all means: please yes
20:20:26  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> we need more passenger trains too
20:20:29  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> but after that :P
20:20:47  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> tank or refrigerator wagons?
20:20:55  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> bikeshedding :P
20:21:05  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> pick cheapest :)
20:21:07  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> refrigerator. better payment
20:21:21  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> refrigerator for middle to long distances
20:21:31  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> depends on the running costs that planetmaker uses :P
20:21:33  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> hm, this is short, though
20:21:48  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> done
20:21:54  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> go ahead with more pax trains
20:22:16  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> did you plan something for supplying the dairy farms of cluster3?
20:22:22  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> machine shop?
20:22:40  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> lime kiln 2 was the plan at some point
20:22:42  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> for goods?
20:22:53  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> no, for agrarian supplies
20:22:57  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> pm: no, farm supplies for more milk
20:22:59  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> start delivering coal to Fentfield Steel mill ASAP
20:23:01  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> and iron ore
20:23:07  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> oh
20:23:18  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> can you put a sign?
20:23:24  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> sign, andy?
20:23:26  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> yup
20:23:44  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> done
20:23:55  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> that's far away from the milk clusters, what should we do with that metal?
20:24:01  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> you can do it locally with RV
20:24:03  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> then metal to the metal workshop nearby
20:24:05  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> for good
20:24:11  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> oh, sounds nice, yep
20:24:17  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> I'll do iron ore
20:24:33  <frosch123> removed the full load again
20:24:37  <frosch123> and set timetable instead
20:24:47  <frosch123> pax production is too imbalanced
20:25:29  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> gah, I need to finish the tram patch, I almost prepared everything to let them get stuck
20:25:47  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> you have a patch? :)
20:26:22  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> a mini patch to only build the beginning and end roadbit when it is necessary
20:26:40  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> of course the mini part got lost at some point
20:26:54  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> added a sign for clay delivery
20:26:58  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> can be used for trams
20:27:32  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> we should start with the milk, IMO goods are easier
20:27:38  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> whoa
20:27:42  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> we need passenger trains first
20:27:48  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> check Linfingpool
20:27:58  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> more pax trains
20:28:04  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> lots of money in pax :)
20:28:08  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> I build a connection from metal to machine shop
20:28:18  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> please tell when I can continue with respect to money
20:28:24  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> do the subsidy too!
20:28:26  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> with buses only!
20:28:29  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> two more pax trains should be enough
20:28:52  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> andy: which machine shop?
20:29:02  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> see sign
20:29:34  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> really :o
20:29:40  <Yexo> <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> I build a connection from metal to machine shop <- I don't see it
20:29:46  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> oh
20:29:48  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> no av8 :(
20:29:58  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> usually I go to nearest machine shop to steel mill
20:30:04  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> then fly supplies by jet
20:30:18  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> hm... how do I place a sign? :O
20:30:21  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> 
20:30:25  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> landscape menu
20:30:27  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> my shortcut doesn't work here
20:30:33  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> landscape toolbar
20:30:43  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> I added another pass train
20:30:50  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> milk doesn't travel by coal tram ;)
20:31:04  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> see Harbour 1 and 2
20:31:06  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> I just figured that out :p
20:31:12  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> they get a port and a rail station?
20:31:35  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> ships are way too expensive
20:31:41  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> they don't work for this
20:32:04  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I need to fix FISH costs, it's useless for NoCarGoal
20:32:14  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> true. way too expensive
20:32:20  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> but that's not realistic!!!!!!!
20:32:22  <frosch123> there was no param, i checked :)
20:32:25  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> trains will make much more money than a ship currently
20:32:29  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> no parameter no
20:32:36  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> andythen0rth: I reported that bug years ago :P
20:32:42  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> new dairy just got built
20:32:48  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> I remember making a comparison between a train and a coaster
20:32:50  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> where?
20:33:02  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> ha
20:33:12  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> near the *massive* cluser in north
20:33:18  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> I'm going to add yet another pass train when we have enough money
20:33:21  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> wow, awesome :)
20:33:39  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> andy: it's cheaper than bridging...
20:33:39  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> oh, someone took my money :(
20:33:45  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> for pax train :)
20:33:51  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> ok :P
20:34:02  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> two monkeys, same idea :p
20:34:06  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> I'm starting on connecting cluster 1
20:34:08  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> cluster3 and cluster1 should be our priorities then
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20:34:34  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> I'm going to start with the supply network for cluster3
20:35:04  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> shouldn't we setup one cluster first?
20:35:26  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> cluster3 seems to be set, except for the supplies
20:36:13  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> I'll get them from lime kiln 2, just one quarry should be enough
20:36:21  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> but there is another one nearby ust in case
20:38:59  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> do the subsidies! :)
20:39:02  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> use buses!
20:41:39  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> cluster 1 completely connected
20:41:42  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> just no supplies yet
20:42:04  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> supplies for 3 will take a while until I get money, but the lime kiln is getting stone already
20:42:22  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> chances are supplies won't come fast enough to increase production :P
20:42:36  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> I setup a goods chain East of cluster 1
20:42:59  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> who wants to bother with setting up the gmunds to deliver supplies to cluster3? I still don't know how to use timetables :P
20:43:30  <frosch123> why does it need timetables?
20:43:59  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> supplies make cargo increase if they are delivered each month
20:44:09  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> so it is best to keep them spaced
20:44:15  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> or is that not possible with trunk?
20:44:18  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> ok, i can do that
20:44:24  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> thanks :)
20:44:34  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> btw. do we want yet another pax train?
20:44:40  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> I have seen so many timetable patches that I have no clue of what they can do or not
20:44:54  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> hmm... it might make trains wait a bit at Linfingpool
20:45:00  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> but we could always add more passengers from Plartwood
20:45:03  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> frosch: they make money, if they're used
20:45:06  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> hi Zuuu btw :P
20:45:18  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> Hello :-)
20:45:36  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> I'm going to add Plartwood passengers
20:45:42  <Nachtigall> *** Zuuu has joined company #1
20:45:47  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> do subsidies!
20:45:50  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> that should make another passenger train worthwile
20:45:55  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> these buses will pay back in a few months
20:45:57  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> andythen0rth: you have been tasked with subsidy completion, have fun!
20:46:00  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> meh
20:46:47  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> why are buses so expensive? I thought that I reduced their cost
20:47:05  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> game is biased to trains :P
20:47:07  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> 17k for a bus... meh
20:47:09  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> someone else is already building mugs :)
20:47:17  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> change costs in game? :P
20:47:35  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> andythen0rth: it is using opengfx+ road vehicles, I plan to adjust them directly there
20:48:09  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> bus is only 8k for me
20:48:16  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> €
20:48:23  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> ah
20:49:10  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> ha we have improved station ratings :)
20:49:12  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> that helps
20:49:22  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> Yexo: the trams at cluster1 are blocking each other
20:49:28  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> cluster fuck :P
20:50:31  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> we could use lime kiln 2 for cluster 2 too
20:50:37  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> coal train wasn't refitted to coal
20:50:48  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> but since that's the smallest cluster we should leave it for later
20:52:35  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> what's our timeframe?
20:52:41  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> 1975
20:52:47  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> IIRC
20:52:49  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> 1974
20:52:51  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> Zuu: idea for goal window :-)
20:52:58  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> it has it
20:53:00  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> pm: it's in there
20:53:04  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> difficult to judge, if the end year... oh?
20:53:32  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> in the news which we get?
20:53:38  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> the goal window: yes
20:53:56  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> I don't see it in the news
20:54:46  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> oh my... RV are too inefficient for long distances. Wrt money
20:54:56  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> yes
20:54:59  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> costs need rebalancing
20:55:04  <frosch123> yay, i am not the only fool who forgot to refit the mugs
20:55:15  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> Like Rinston Quarry, Lenbury lime kiln, tronford transfer
20:55:37  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> rinston quarry can be switched to a train
20:55:48  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> I'll do that once I'm done with the mogs
20:57:15  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> planetm4ker: Yep indeed, the goal window include the end year
20:57:45  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> When you accomplish a goal, you get reminded about it but otherwise you are supposed to remember it or look it up in tho goal window.
20:58:23  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> meh, I kinda dislike all the small tram/road lines
20:58:25  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> It will after all not change through the game and I don't want to add more text than neccessary to the news.
20:58:31  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> I much prefer big train networks
20:59:09  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> train schmain :)
21:00:11  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> that
21:00:13  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> Yexo: If the data from infra maintaneence is exposed to GS, it could penaltize road building by first give a warning and then "hang" the game by pausing it and then do a DoCommand :-p
21:00:19  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> :P
21:00:53  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> it would be nice to see the progress for each argo
21:00:55  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> cargo
21:01:17  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> You mean as in a graph?
21:01:33  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> Or just percent values in a window?
21:01:48  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> a % is fine too, right now I don't know what is the 77% completed
21:01:58  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> closest cargo to goal?
21:02:01  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> 77% is the closest cargo.
21:02:19  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> Wait max 30 days and you'll know which cargo it is.
21:02:51  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> I thought that we were not doing station walking :P
21:02:57  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I am
21:02:57  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> But I do second the idea that maybe GS should get a generic capability to create windows.
21:03:07  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> that would be great, yes
21:03:21  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> Or allow it to create windows from a set of templates where it fills in the data.
21:04:19  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> Eg. stats/table, history graph,.
21:04:33  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> generic widgets that you can "feed" with data and labels?
21:05:09  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> For the table, it could be that the GS tells how many columns/rows it should have and then have a SetCell(row, col, content)
21:05:11  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> oh
21:05:11  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> out of money again
21:05:19  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> coal wagons are default to lumber :P
21:05:21  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> oops
21:05:33  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> :D
21:06:15  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> There may also be some additional visualization widgets that you can set for a column/row. Eg. a progress bar like in the detailed performance window.
21:06:42  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> Though that needs not just a value, but also a max/min value.
21:06:49  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> that also should let you set % of completion, colour, label...
21:07:49  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> I think the goal window should get some more data like % completed and also make it possible to mark a goal completed and have it stay there.
21:08:11  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> But there will be GSs where the goal window will not be enough.
21:08:27  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> In that case, generic windows might be useful.
21:08:37  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> Although it needs coding first :-)
21:08:43  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> yes, the goal window should serve as a summary
21:09:01  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> with each goal getting a "details" button to open the window
21:09:15  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> the generic window*
21:09:31  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> what accepts goods? towns?
21:09:41  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> YES
21:09:47  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> ups, caps
21:10:01  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> and some small industries IIRC
21:10:11  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> I was thinking about if the performance history stuff can be turned off when there is a goal GS, that menu could be used for goals as well as dynamic windows created by the GS.
21:10:13  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> the petrol station for example
21:10:19  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> hardware store
21:10:54  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> I expected to find the goals window at the menu where the performance rating is
21:11:12  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> and, IMO, the performance rating window serves no purpose with goalscripts
21:11:22  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> and the GS should get control of the company league table
21:11:25  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> +1
21:11:35  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> I can understand the placement next to subsidaries, but it is very hidden where it is now.
21:11:35  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> goals should be in the performance window
21:11:35  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> +1
21:11:41  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> makes no sense in subsidies
21:11:47  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> :)
21:11:49  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> so maybe the GS should have the possibility of adding new menu entries to that menu
21:11:55  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> with new generic windows
21:11:59  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> and just do whatever it wants with them :P
21:12:13  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> maybe it should be under the big cup in the main window. the primary window
21:12:15  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> Terkh3n: my idea yes :-)
21:12:21  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> :)
21:12:27  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> we achieved a goal, but which one?
21:12:33  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> pax
21:12:35  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> passengers I guess
21:12:37  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> pax
21:12:40  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> how can we check it?
21:12:48  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> Terkh3n: You achieved BRONZE :-)
21:13:07  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> `
21:13:09  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> but we could achieve bronze by, for example, transporting milk too
21:13:19  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> not on this map :P
21:13:25  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> not a chance :)
21:13:33  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> we are so screwed :)
21:13:35  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> goods will be very challanging
21:13:45  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> I know, what I mean is that the goal window does not tell me which one I got already
21:13:47  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> in this case is obvious
21:13:49  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> we'll have to step up goods production very soon
21:13:52  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> but that will not be always the case
21:14:02  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> The goal does however not dictate which cargo to use. But sure it *could* include that too in the news item.
21:14:12  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> milk seems to be dene as better as possible, let's focus on goods
21:14:27  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> done*
21:15:47  <Terkhen> brb
21:18:32  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> meh, wool is no goods
21:18:43  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> it's lame :P
21:19:37  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> back, what are we doing?
21:20:43  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> upping goods productions
21:20:50  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> oh, and refitting wool trains to goods :p
21:21:08  <Nachtigall> * Zuuu wasted 180 bucks on a HQ - my only contribution to this game so far :-)
21:21:34  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> I'm going to do andy's clay pit drop
21:21:42  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> why does it say "not a lot"?
21:21:45  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> No idea if it will actually pay off with the passengers it generates.
21:21:53  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> you don't get much goods out from clay
21:21:55  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> since when there is a "not a lot" limit in openttd??
21:21:57  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> need wood too
21:22:03  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> and chemicals
21:22:09  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> that will come after the clay :P
21:24:47  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> I need 45k
21:24:53  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> take them :P
21:25:03  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> done :-)
21:25:37  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> now I need 95k
21:25:56  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> there, done
21:29:06  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> 33%... this does not look good :P
21:29:53  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> already given up on goods?
21:29:59  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> no no no
21:29:59  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> :)
21:30:05  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> see how close we can get :P
21:30:19  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> I'm making a line :P
21:32:39  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> Lennville Valley is quite nicely productive :-)
21:33:07  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> but not enough. And will Milk make it?
21:33:39  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> probably not, the farms are not growing much :P
21:34:38  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> the goals window should also resize to an appropiate size
21:36:43  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> one of the shortcomings is: I don't see any woods / forests...
21:36:57  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> there are some up north
21:37:12  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> I was looking for some wood for my paper mill but no luck
21:41:06  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I need my bed :(
21:41:09  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> think we'll win this one?
21:41:16  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> I don't think so
21:41:26  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> FIRS is too hard
21:41:38  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> very little production increase
21:41:48  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> I'm always amazed by how fast you jump to conclusions, andythen0rth :P
21:41:50  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I have a plan to make supplies behaviour much more generous
21:42:05  <Nachtigall> * andythen0rth can also unjump
21:42:48  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> true :P
21:42:58  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> the farm clusters fun yet?
21:43:08  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I think the collecting is fun
21:43:11  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> I think that farm clusters are fun
21:43:17  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> but they need to grow faster :P
21:43:17  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> not sure the delivering supplies is so good :P
21:43:24  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> meh... total bollocks what I just built
21:43:58  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> FIRS needs more like 15 years or so
21:44:13  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> this is only 9
21:44:16  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> maybe, yup
21:45:18  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> Kenningville Height wasn't accepting oil
21:45:28  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> oops :)
21:45:47  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> I have added an oil train from far away
21:55:47  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> someone extends a line which doesn't need it :D
21:56:26  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> which one?
21:56:56  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> pm: where?
21:56:58  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> those trucks are just cycling goods
21:56:58  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> might have been me
21:57:08  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> frunnton halt
21:57:08  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> at !this :-)
21:57:18  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> it now is part of a very long wood line
21:57:26  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> oh. nice :-)
21:57:42  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> from !a to !b
21:57:52  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> food markets don't accept goods :o
21:57:54  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> :P
21:59:45  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> we are closer now
22:02:51  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> check #this
22:03:09  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> why does it have two different stations?
22:03:12  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> yes... the goods ended up at the wrong station...
22:03:14  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> goods are piling up at the other platforms
22:03:16  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> one for delivery, one for acceptance
22:03:18  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> pickup and drop
22:03:20  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> but somebody messed up
22:03:32  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> I'll fix it
22:03:42  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> uhm...
22:03:48  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> how?
22:04:14  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> don't... this way. You'll kill 300 goods
22:04:18  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> build new drop station, change orders, remove old drop station
22:04:56  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> that's what I was doing, but planetm4ker stopped me :P
22:04:58  <Nachtigall> <V453000> hello
22:05:02  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> hi V453000
22:05:04  <Nachtigall> <Yexo> heyhey
22:05:18  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> planetm4ker: how can it be done then?
22:05:45  <Nachtigall> <V453000> 50k milk? :D
22:05:47  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> well... I might have simply killed the pickup. And make it one. But now it doesn't matter
22:05:57  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> and we again have two with goods
22:06:00  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> :P
22:06:03  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> brb
22:08:51  <Nachtigall> <V453000> these foundry transporters looks superb andy
22:08:57  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> :)
22:12:18  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> meh, 84%
22:12:20  <Nachtigall> <V453000> o_O
22:12:24  <frosch123> Zuu: the message in the goal gui is wrong
22:12:28  <Nachtigall> <V453000> what is that pause
22:12:34  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> ho ho
22:12:37  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> Oh. The final window is nice, Zuu
22:12:39  <Nachtigall> * andythen0rth wanted sleep anyway :)
22:12:40  <frosch123> it says "end of 74", while the time is "begin of 74"
22:12:41  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> I pressed del by mistake so I can't see what it says :P
22:12:56  <Nachtigall> <V453000> oh :o
22:13:02  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> yes, it is wrong
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22:13:20  <Terkhen> but this script is quite fun :O
22:13:22  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> indeed
22:13:40  <frosch123> we would have succeeded with milk if there would be one more year :)
22:13:48  <frosch123> but, we kind of failed with goods
22:13:59  <Terkhen> we'll do better next time
22:14:00  <Terkhen> :P
22:14:14  <Terkhen> it's fun to have a short game that feels complete :)
22:14:19  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> yes, we failed with goods. It's a secondary or tertiary product. Difficult with firs
22:14:55  <frosch123> well, i generated the map like 5 times, to get interesting cargos :p
22:15:03  <frosch123> i did not wanted a game with 3 primaries :)
22:15:06  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> I'd like if a goal script could make a screen like the TTD 2050 screen
22:15:16  <Zuu> frosch123: What is wrong?
22:15:24  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> that'd be good :-)
22:15:34  <frosch123> Zuu: it says "till end of year", while it is "till begin of year"
22:15:53  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> Zuu: compare engame window with goal window
22:16:04  <Terkhen> planetmaker: me too :P
22:16:21  <Nachtigall> <V453000> I think it would be good if there was an option for like total throughput per year goal
22:16:23  <Nachtigall> <V453000> instead of toal
22:16:27  <Nachtigall> <V453000> total*
22:16:28  <Terkhen> good night :)
22:16:32  <Nachtigall> <V453000> gn
22:16:50  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> Ok, I guess i was not remembering the implementation correctly when I re-made the goal strings.
22:17:39  <frosch123> should we make a wiki page listing the cargo types, the years, amount transported and people playing?
22:17:53  <frosch123> so we get some reference of what is realistic?
22:18:05  <Yexo> don't forget used newgrfs
22:18:12  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> keeping statistics on that might be nice.
22:18:14  <Yexo> but yes, that'd be highly useful
22:18:16  <frosch123> well, industry grf mainly
22:18:31  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> game year is important, too as it defines vehicles
22:18:59  <Nachtigall> *** Yexo has left the game (leaving)
22:19:49  <Yexo> it was a lot of fun again :)
22:19:51  <Yexo> good night
22:19:56  <andythenorth> good night
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22:22:39  <Nachtigall> *** andythen0rth has left the game (connection lost)
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22:37:13  <frosch123> <- i cannot remember more games
22:37:37  <frosch123> the first one is the second one from the blog
22:37:48  <frosch123> the second one is from 2012-08-26
22:37:55  <frosch123> the third one is from today
22:38:11  <frosch123> for the first two, the numbers are from my memory (divided by 2)
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