Log for #openttdcoop.nightly on 3rd September 2012:
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18:42:06  <Alberth> ok, version?
18:42:17  <frosch123> r24502
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18:42:47  <frosch123> we are lucky, there is already one industry present
18:42:51  <frosch123> so we only have to fund 2
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18:43:34  <frosch123> join company 1, or first start a new company to get some introductory text
18:43:51  <Alberth> still building a binary :)
18:44:02  <frosch123> still paused :)
18:44:07  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> fr0sch: so we need to construct 3 new industries?
18:44:14  <frosch123> there is alread yone
18:44:19  <frosch123> so, only two
18:44:22  <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (number of players)
18:44:22  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> existing ones are included or ignored?
18:44:25  <frosch123> found cost is 1/4
18:44:29  <frosch123> see goal gui
18:44:40  <frosch123> that goal is already 1/3 complete
18:44:42  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> he
18:44:48  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> that's cheating if one exists already :)
18:44:54  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> GS control over map gen? :P
18:45:00  <Nachtigall> *** alberth has started a new company (#2)
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18:45:23  <frosch123> well, it tries to pick a town with a very small area, so you have to put the industries close
18:46:42  <frosch123> what should be the money maker?
18:46:51  <frosch123> or should we directly go for goods?
18:47:02  <frosch123> it does not matter when we start to produce goods
18:47:04  <Nachtigall> <Strontium> farms to Nendingworth?
18:47:13  <frosch123> only one quarter matters
18:47:22  <frosch123> signs?
18:47:28  <Nachtigall> <Strontium> alternatively Tutford Coal mine to somewhere
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18:47:59  <Nachtigall> * andythen0rth eating
18:48:06  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> fr0sch: coal money maker
18:48:16  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> do we have to build massive train lines?
18:48:19  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> or can I use a lot of trucks?
18:48:39  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> we need lots of money to fund industries at some point
18:48:40  <Alberth> oh goods is way better :)
18:48:47  <Nachtigall> <Strontium> I'd use rail for to begin with
18:49:05  <Nachtigall> <Strontium> anyhow, I'd start with 1&2 to the industry in Nendingworth
18:49:19  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> start then?
18:49:33  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> if we are to be asleep at nice times
18:49:35  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> t
18:49:38  <Nachtigall> * Zuuu is trying to fix a wxWidgets issue, but might come in and join instead as its a non-nice bug. :-p
18:49:44  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> "openttd, where players go to bed early"
18:49:50  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> we're so rock and roll :P
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18:50:30  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> did I miss much? :P
18:50:44  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> No, the game just started
18:50:46  <Alberth> yeah, we're almost finished :p
18:50:49  * Terkhen reads
18:51:23  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> interesting :)
18:51:35  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> ooh, clicking on town names at the goal window works
18:52:16  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> I'm going to look while you do the moneymakers and I finish my dinner :P
18:52:32  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> ditto
18:54:24  <Alberth> someone is stealing money :p
18:55:40  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> what, you couldn't walk that station? :P
18:55:44  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> try harder :P
18:55:53  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> [Wranbury Mines]
18:56:10  <Alberth> I'll walk you :)
18:57:49  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> are we rich yet?
18:58:01  <frosch123> you can continue eating
18:58:20  <frosch123> play a bit with the toddlers
18:58:34  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> toddlers firmly asleep I hope
18:59:24  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> oh a bug
18:59:32  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> wtf is going on in the bottom left of my screen :P
18:59:42  <frosch123> it's ingame chat
18:59:57  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> no I have an area of drawing failure :P
19:00:08  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> rectangular
19:00:23  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> in the size of ingame chat? :p
19:00:25  <Nachtigall> *** andythen0rth has joined spectators
19:00:40  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> should 'client list' bring up a client list?
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19:02:05  <Alberth> build double tracks?
19:02:51  <Nachtigall> <Strontium> need more trains!!!
19:03:03  <Alberth> nah, more money :p
19:04:03  <Nachtigall> <Strontium> wow, property maintenance is high
19:04:25  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> build less tracks :p
19:04:40  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> but yes, the basecost grf does that my default for some reason
19:04:46  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> we cannot build two track monstruosities then? :(
19:06:15  <andythenorth> build trucks!
19:06:17  <andythenorth> meh
19:06:45  <Terkhen> but trucks are boring! they go slow in curves and stuff
19:07:34  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> trucks are low cost
19:07:44  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> and deliver quickly :P
19:07:51  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> but no big exciting payoffs like trains
19:08:30  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> grrr
19:08:37  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I need to release a better FISH
19:09:05  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> well a basecode grf is already present
19:09:11  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> you just did not tell me in advance :)
19:11:33  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> I finished my dinner
19:11:37  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> still not rich it seems :P
19:11:47  <Alberth> eat some more, we're still out of mioney :)
19:13:42  <Nachtigall> <Strontium> where is our airport?
19:13:56  <Nachtigall> <Strontium> hmm, never mind
19:14:06  <Nachtigall> <Strontium> it's just station tiles that are ridicuously expensive
19:14:33  <Nachtigall> <Strontium> ~ 2/3 of all infrastructure costs
19:14:45  <frosch123> blame ammler :p
19:14:51  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> heh
19:14:59  <frosch123> all parameters of basecost mod default to 4x for station maintenenance
19:18:43  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> subsidy!
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19:18:54  <Terkhen> I asked Ammler WRT updating the NewGRF, but IIRC he wasn't interested
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19:19:30  <frosch123> i guess it's on the devzone, so maybe supply some diff
19:19:44  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> I think that it is on nfo, so no :P
19:20:00  <frosch123> it has a14, so it cant be that old
19:20:33  <Nachtigall> * andythen0rth did a subsidy
19:23:06  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> oh you build a second coal train
19:23:12  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> i was hoping for a farm train
19:23:28  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> without another platform :p
19:23:56  <Alberth> transform it?    but I think we nee money
19:24:00  <Alberth> *need
19:24:15  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> there's money now
19:24:37  <Alberth> oh yeah, a wopping 29, 000
19:24:59  <Nachtigall> <Strontium> hmm, train's won't turn around at stations?
19:25:05  <Nachtigall> <Strontium> that sucks
19:25:05  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> no
19:25:20  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> mail subsidies :(
19:25:22  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> change setting?
19:25:24  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> mail sucks
19:25:47  <Nachtigall> <Strontium> it would make the Nendingworth Woods station more efficient
19:26:29  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> try again
19:27:11  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> what's wrong with mail subsidies? :P
19:27:12  <Nachtigall> <Strontium> that's better
19:27:17  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> mail smells
19:27:25  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> :P
19:27:39  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> passenger subsidies should be more frequent, we just had bad luck
19:29:20  <Alberth> interesting train :)
19:29:24  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> hmm... no money yet
19:30:02  <Nachtigall> * andythen0rth does the subsidy cheat :P
19:32:35  <Alberth> frosch123:  train is too long
19:32:50  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> yeah, noticed
19:33:04  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> also it looks like in the south everyone drives on the left :p
19:33:04  <Nachtigall> <Strontium> I'd like some 30 k for a train please ;)
19:33:27  <Nachtigall> <Strontium> thanks
19:34:05  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> bored of this ship subsidy
19:36:00  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> some trains seem to have too much grain wagons
19:37:27  <Alberth> plenty of iron ore south of nendingworth, and a steel mill as well
19:38:53  <frosch123> can you turn it into a money mill?
19:39:58  <Alberth> let's try :)
19:42:57  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> will all steel get dropped to our target town?
19:42:58  <Nachtigall> <Strontium> we still have no money ;)
19:43:07  <Nachtigall> <Strontium> andythen0rth: I'd do that
19:43:24  <Alberth> that was the idea :)
19:43:50  <Alberth> except i need money for an engine
19:44:03  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> i need money to resolve a jam
19:44:21  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> mmm
19:44:21  <Alberth> jam seems more important :)
19:44:23  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> jam
19:44:45  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> jam factory?
19:45:03  <Nachtigall> <Strontium> ohoh
19:45:09  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> trains :o
19:45:15  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> for iron ore that long?
19:45:17  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> :P
19:45:23  <Nachtigall> * andythen0rth is quizzical today :)
19:45:26  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> o_O
19:52:09  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> ooh
19:52:11  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> 5k crates per *quarter* ?
19:52:13  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> yes
19:52:16  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> it is the first time I check this and we have money
19:52:18  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> oh
19:52:20  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> what can I do? :P
19:52:31  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> about 600 per industry per month
19:58:53  <Alberth> hmm, tram line :(
19:59:08  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> for the goods?
19:59:14  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> steel
19:59:24  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> we should probably sell all goods trucks
19:59:26  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> and build tram isntead
20:01:56  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> we are so dead :D
20:02:07  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I should stop building low income things :P
20:03:13  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I am addicted to RVs :(
20:03:33  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> 4k outlay produces 10k income in first year
20:03:55  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> but train produces 20k or 40k per year :(
20:15:34  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> what's the tl?
20:15:40  <Nachtigall> <Strontium> pi
20:15:50  <Nachtigall> <Strontium> nah, don't think there is one
20:16:20  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> there are a few blocked trains at Nendingworth factory
20:16:27  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> s/blocked/jammed/
20:17:56  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> oh, moneyz
20:18:10  <Nachtigall> <Strontium> we only need to build some industries
20:18:25  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> sawmill is 246
20:18:39  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> we haz forests
20:18:41  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> seems like, the other goals are reasonabily fulfilled
20:18:45  <Nachtigall> <Strontium> we need good producers
20:18:55  <Nachtigall> <Strontium> factory is 228
20:19:09  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> we haz oil too
20:19:15  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> ach
20:19:17  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> no we don't
20:19:23  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> it's going to close soon :P
20:19:25  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> it's crappy amounts
20:19:31  <Nachtigall> <Strontium> but a refinery in the middle of the map is burdensome
20:19:33  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> sawmill!
20:19:39  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> please
20:19:39  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> there are other oil wells nearby
20:19:42  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> oh too late :P
20:19:48  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> sawmill is fine too
20:20:34  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> yay, first goal is 2/3 :)
20:21:08  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> walk the station to collect goods?
20:21:18  <Nachtigall> * andythen0rth has no shame :)
20:21:29  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> just make sure that the station signs of the delivery stations touch the nidustries
20:21:35  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> so they actually get it
20:21:47  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> goods pickup you can walk
20:21:49  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> build the sawmill near the factories?
20:21:51  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> or other side of town?
20:21:55  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> but there is no much point in walking tram stops
20:22:01  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> is there?
20:22:23  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> be careful on the other side of the town
20:22:30  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> the other town already starts there
20:22:40  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> heh
20:22:47  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> build on the flat land near existing then
20:22:53  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I'll do it :P
20:22:55  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> that additional factory is a good idea :P
20:22:55  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> the industries have to belong to our town, else it is wasted money :)
20:23:18  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> ok, first goal is complete
20:23:25  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> now only the other two :)
20:24:21  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> we are probably going to need more wood to reach 100 crates of good
20:25:12  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I'll do forests
20:32:51  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> these steel trains are crappy
20:32:53  <Nachtigall> * andythen0rth fixes
20:36:29  <Nachtigall> <Strontium> so now only double the throughput in two years
20:38:52  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> easy, just improve the goods transport
20:40:02  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> we have no electric trains?
20:40:08  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> but we have electrifed rail?
20:40:18  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> sure we have electic trains
20:40:28  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> but the network is a mess
20:40:32  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> so don't build any :p
20:42:28  <Alberth> sorry :)
20:42:41  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> it's fun that the drive side switches :P
20:48:03  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> huh... what are those icons at the left of each town name at the town list window?
20:48:12  <Alberth> :)
20:48:18  <Alberth> how much they like us
20:48:22  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> oh, old opengfx probably
20:48:28  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> I only get ? icons
20:48:31  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> :P
20:48:41  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> nice feature :)
20:48:55  <Alberth> you didn't read the red error box? :p
20:49:15  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> I did, but it took me a while to realize that those icons were placeholders :P
20:50:33  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> so, the game is pretty much won, isn't it?
20:50:47  <Alberth> no idea, I just watch trains :)
20:50:50  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> are you sure?
20:51:00  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> we have only 60% of cargo
20:51:02  <Nachtigall> <Strontium> well, we need to transport 40% more goods in 1 year
20:51:20  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> it's goods per quarter
20:51:20  <Nachtigall> <Strontium> or actually... 70% more
20:51:22  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> not goods in game time
20:52:31  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> the 5000 crates goal might be a bit short at the end, yes
20:52:51  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> have faith :P
20:52:57  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> in wood we trust
20:58:31  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> oh, time for me todo something
21:01:58  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> it looks a bit grim :P
21:03:25  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> wow
21:03:28  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> how lucky :p
21:03:31  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> and early
21:03:37  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> \o/
21:03:39  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> the script said 1975
21:03:41  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> that was fun
21:03:47  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> read the news!
21:03:57  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> I have an information popup
21:04:05  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> Terkh3n: it says "until 1975"
21:04:11  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> ooooh
21:04:11  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> you can win earlier
21:04:13  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> that makes sense
21:04:19  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> and if the date passes, you get more time for silver resp. bronze
21:04:21  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> nice, it makes a news item too :D
21:04:27  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> this is fun :P
21:04:37  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> Terkh3n: you should also start a enw company to read the intro text :)
21:04:44  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> i am proud about that one :p
21:04:46  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> where can I pickup my gold medal?
21:04:48  <Nachtigall> <Strontium> this is a mess ;)
21:04:50  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> let's see
21:04:56  <Nachtigall> *** Terkh3n has joined spectators
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21:05:13  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> heh
21:05:15  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> awesome
21:05:30  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> depending on the cargo type you get, it becomes hillarious :)
21:05:36  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> I got steel :P
21:05:46  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> fr0sch: nice GS :)
21:05:50  <Nachtigall> <Terkh3n> indeed :)
21:05:52  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> thanks :)
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21:06:12  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> valuables :)
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21:06:20  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> really?
21:06:24  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> really
21:06:26  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> they should have been filteres out
21:06:35  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> they are no proper secondary cargo
21:06:43  <Nachtigall> *** andythen0rth has joined spectators
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21:06:55  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> steel :P
21:07:09  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> this needs a stripped down version of FIRS
21:07:23  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> 16 cargos or so
21:07:34  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> when you start a game with firs, it dumps the cargo classification into the gs debug window
21:07:49  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> for firs it has a big selectio of secondary cargos :)
21:07:57  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> probably too many
21:08:03  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> it picks one :p
21:08:05  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> probably very hard
21:08:11  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> you can adjust the goal
21:08:16  <Terkhen> good night :)
21:08:18  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I can't think of improvements to this
21:08:24  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> except that I would like to have finished 30 mins ago :)
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21:08:45  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> and the beginning is a bit annoying due to lack of money
21:08:57  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> bigger loan
21:09:00  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> shorter game?
21:09:12  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> short game is hard due to funding industries
21:09:26  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> but bigger loan might make it shorter
21:09:26  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> yes
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21:10:02  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> q
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21:10:12  <andythenorth> frosch123: good night
21:10:19  <frosch123> night
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21:18:54  <Alberth> it was a fun game, but the first part is so frustrating, waiting for money
21:21:13  <frosch123> i need some way to distinguish bank-style industries :s
21:21:25  <frosch123> and it looks like it needs an api addition :o
21:39:35  <Alberth> what's bad about banks?
21:40:03  <Alberth> you cannot read the industry placement flags? (>1200 inhabitants requirement)
21:44:18  <Alberth> good night
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