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09:20:59 *** Zuu has joined #openttdcoop.nightly 17:29:12 <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players) 17:29:17 <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (number of players) 17:30:36 <Nachtigall> *** Zuuu has left the game (leaving) 17:30:39 <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players) 18:47:40 *** Alberth has joined #openttdcoop.nightly 18:47:55 <Alberth> hmm, firs eh? 18:48:09 * Alberth is no good with firs 18:52:31 <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players) 18:52:35 <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (number of players) 18:52:36 <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (number of players) 18:52:51 * Alberth looks for a recent build 18:53:18 *** frosch123 has joined #openttdcoop.nightly 18:53:48 <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players) 18:53:50 <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players) 18:53:52 <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (number of players) 18:56:03 <Nachtigall> *** fr0sch has left the game (leaving) 18:56:07 <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players) 18:58:39 <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players) 18:58:43 <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (number of players) 18:58:43 <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (number of players) 19:01:27 <Alberth> interesting goal window :p 19:01:30 <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players) 19:01:32 <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players) 19:01:34 <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (number of players) 19:01:36 <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (number of players) 19:01:38 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.nightly 19:01:40 <Nachtigall> *** fr0sch has joined company #1 19:02:05 * andythenorth gets a new openttd 19:02:21 <Alberth> [2012-09-08 21:09:54] dbg: [misc] Drawing string using newlines with DrawString instead of DrawStringMultiLine. Please notify the developers of this: [That is worth !] <-- it spams the console somewhat :p 19:02:28 <frosch123> please check the game settings 19:02:43 <frosch123> andythenorth: the server still runs r24502 19:02:52 <frosch123> i cannot be bothered to update it :) 19:02:56 <andythenorth> oops 19:03:02 <andythenorth> I just deleted that version :P 19:03:29 <Nachtigall> <alberth> can we play without infrastructure maintenance? 19:03:35 <frosch123> we have firs 0.7.5 19:03:38 <andythenorth> where is the openttd bundles server? 19:03:41 <frosch123> cheap heqs, cheap fish 19:03:46 <frosch123> and building materials 19:04:07 <frosch123> and we need more players 19:07:19 <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (number of players) 19:07:41 <Nachtigall> *** andythen0rth has joined company #1 19:08:00 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> ho ho that is cheap ships :) 19:08:02 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> oh, damn 19:08:05 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> industries are far too expensive 19:08:24 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> i already set them to 1/4 19:08:26 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> new game? 19:08:37 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> i guess it's a per tile price 19:08:43 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> so firs is expensive 19:08:45 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> that's broken :p 19:08:51 <Nachtigall> *** alberth has left the game (leaving) 19:09:21 <Nachtigall> *** fr0sch has left the game (leaving) 19:09:55 <frosch123> any other settings need changing? 19:10:23 <frosch123> does firs mess with the basecosts? 19:10:29 <frosch123> maybe i need to change the grf order 19:10:47 <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (number of players) 19:10:50 <frosch123> yeah 19:11:29 <andythenorth> can't remember if I reset base costs 19:11:30 <andythenorth> probably 19:11:33 <Nachtigall> *** andythen0rth has left the game (leaving) 19:12:06 <andythenorth> a 19:12:19 <andythenorth> I think I made industries insanely expensive 19:12:20 <frosch123> there are huge differences in the industry prices :o 19:12:24 <andythenorth> yes 19:12:33 <andythenorth> I'm not sure that's wise 19:12:43 <andythenorth> I made them to be a money sink when you have too much 19:12:49 <andythenorth> which is....wrong I think 19:13:25 <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players) 19:13:27 <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players) 19:13:29 <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (number of players) 19:13:33 <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (number of players) 19:13:56 <frosch123> well, some industries cost 10000, some 100000 now 19:16:32 <frosch123> so what? are we only three :( 19:17:08 <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (number of players) 19:17:36 <frosch123> so, where to start making money? :) 19:17:43 <Nachtigall> * andythen0rth reads goal 19:18:02 <Alberth> there is none ? 19:18:08 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> 10 years 19:18:26 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> we'll need metal 19:18:29 <frosch123> Alberth: first join company 19:18:32 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> and chemicals 19:18:43 <Nachtigall> *** alb3rth has joined company #1 19:18:47 <Alberth> ah 19:18:49 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> let's find a steel mill 19:19:03 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> only 3 iron ore mines :P 19:19:14 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I hate FIRS :D 19:19:39 <frosch123> hey, at least we have a builders yard in the town 19:19:50 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> dump coal to the lime kiln with trucks 19:19:53 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> they'll make a profit 19:20:07 <Alberth> and a metal fabrication plant too 19:20:11 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> yes 19:20:21 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> fab plant accepts chemicals from lime kiln 19:20:44 <Alberth> why does it say 1/4 complete? 19:20:52 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> one is built already 19:21:05 <frosch123> because there is already one industry 19:21:15 <Alberth> oh, producing! 19:21:26 * Alberth needs to go to bed :) 19:21:30 <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (number of players) 19:21:33 <frosch123> noooo! 19:21:44 <Nachtigall> *** Zuuu has joined company #1 19:21:44 <Nachtigall> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 19:21:51 <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> Hello 19:21:53 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I just placed a sign for a trunk route we need 19:21:55 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> hi zuu 19:22:15 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> we have enough money 19:22:21 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> do the trucks first 19:22:23 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> we should build a proper train track :) 19:22:25 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> or both 19:23:11 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> trucks will need £30k 19:23:12 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> spend rest on trains ;) 19:23:13 <Nachtigall> *** andythen0rth has left the game (leaving) 19:23:13 <Nachtigall> *** Game paused (number of players) 19:23:14 <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (number of players) 19:23:14 <Nachtigall> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 19:23:40 <Nachtigall> *** Game paused (number of players) 19:23:54 <andythenorth> flapping connection? :P 19:23:54 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> did not notice that it wa sunpaused 19:24:10 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> or did we already start? 19:24:13 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> let's go :) 19:24:17 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> planning is over-rated 19:24:24 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> and sleep will be needed later 19:24:26 <Nachtigall> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 19:24:38 <Alberth> we'll run out of money very soon anyway :) 19:26:03 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> train length 5 19:26:06 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> drive on right 19:26:08 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> ok? 19:26:17 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> small :P 19:26:17 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> but ok 19:26:38 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> one day I'll find some MP players who like 20 19:26:40 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> :p 19:26:53 <Alberth> 20 tiles trains?? 19:27:09 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> yup :) 19:27:38 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> you can build shorter trains :) 19:32:08 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> hmm 19:32:14 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> glass works might be a winner 19:32:18 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> or lumber yard 19:32:29 <Nachtigall> * andythen0rth looks 19:33:13 <Nachtigall> *** alb3rth has left the game (general timeout) 19:33:15 <Nachtigall> *** alb3rth has left the game (connection lost) 19:33:15 <Nachtigall> *** Game paused (number of players) 19:33:44 <frosch123> everyone is timout out :p 19:34:11 <Zuu> I got a message about the server not responding for X seconds where X increased up to 13. 19:34:33 <Zuu> Not now, but earlier just after that I joined. 19:34:33 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> me too 19:34:33 <frosch123> yeah, i also had it 19:34:39 <frosch123> i thought it was on my end :) 19:35:17 <frosch123> glass works is only 50000 to fun 19:35:26 <frosch123> *fund 19:35:27 <frosch123> but likely it's too early for that 19:35:27 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> and takes sand 19:35:28 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> and it takes sand 19:35:28 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> we have lots of sand :) 19:35:45 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> how do we unpause ? 19:35:45 <Nachtigall> *** andythen0rth has left the game (leaving) 19:35:51 <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> I can join more clients 19:35:57 <frosch123> i can lower the limit 19:36:02 <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (number of players) 19:36:40 <Zuu> frosch123: That is perhaps a better solution :-) 19:36:47 <frosch123> well, once i have connection again :p 19:36:57 <andythenorth> meh, lost connection again :( 19:37:15 <andythenorth> this is sad :O 19:37:15 <Nachtigall> *** andythen0rth has left the game (leaving) 19:37:15 <Nachtigall> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 19:37:16 <Zuu> The server is quite unresponsive yes 19:37:16 <Zuu> I wonder why 19:37:16 <frosch123> coop doesn't like us playing on their server :) 19:37:28 <andythenorth> maybe it's busy with something :P 19:37:46 *** Alberth is now known as Guest6292 19:37:57 *** Alberth has joined #openttdcoop.nightly 19:38:10 <andythenorth> kicked out again 19:38:12 <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> Is it due to the GS? FIRS? or other server load ? 19:38:13 <Nachtigall> *** andythen0rth has left the game (leaving) 19:38:13 <Nachtigall> *** alberth has left the game (leaving) 19:38:43 <Zuu> Now I dropped completely 19:39:11 <frosch123> i am trying to get a top up 19:39:13 <frosch123> well, it's not cpu load 19:39:19 <Alberth> my machine locked up completely 19:39:19 <andythenorth> devzone hg is gone too 19:39:19 <Nachtigall> *** Zuuu has left the game (connection lost) 19:39:20 <frosch123> well, the ssh connection is unstable as well 19:39:30 <andythenorth> and web 19:39:40 <Nachtigall> *** fr0sch has left the game (general timeout) 19:39:40 <Nachtigall> *** fr0sch has left the game (connection lost) 19:39:53 <frosch123> see, i disconnected mintues ago 19:39:56 <Nachtigall> *** alberth has left the game (downloading map took too long) 19:39:57 <Nachtigall> *** alberth has left the game (connection lost) 19:39:57 <frosch123> only now it reports 19:40:08 <Zuu> frosch123: Same thing for me 19:40:22 <andythenorth> devzone is gone 19:40:28 *** Guest6292 has quit IRC 19:40:28 <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (number of players) 19:40:33 <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players) 19:40:36 <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players) 19:40:40 <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (number of players) 19:40:41 <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (number of players) 19:40:49 * Zuu joined 19:40:56 <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (number of players) 19:40:57 <Nachtigall> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 19:44:18 <frosch123> let's try to continue 19:46:52 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> a sawmill is only 53k :) 19:47:03 <frosch123> i am delivering a glass works somewhat south 19:47:04 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> sawmill makes lumber 19:47:10 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> lumber goes to lumber yard 19:47:11 <frosch123> if we have the money we can fund our own 19:47:14 <frosch123> and reroute the trains 19:47:29 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> k 19:48:39 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> we could cheat 19:48:46 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> and store up all the bdmt at one station :P 19:52:52 <Alberth> oh :) 19:52:58 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> ? 19:53:00 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> i stole a train :) 19:53:38 <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> alberth / fr0sch: Whom of you build from Fluningstone Quarry? 19:54:18 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> not me :) 19:54:24 <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> I figured that on the building style 19:54:39 <Alberth> frosch 19:55:02 <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> I found a lot of money so I started on an additional route there and then the money dissapeared so I backed off and waited for him to complete his part 19:55:18 <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> But now he have not resumed when there is money... 19:55:35 <frosch123> i build 19:55:42 <frosch123> but then there was no money 19:55:52 <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> now there is 80k 19:56:01 <frosch123> 20 19:56:35 <frosch123> but it might be better to connect it to the northwest 19:59:06 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> why have we so few money 19:59:16 <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> That's why I waited for you :-) 19:59:34 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> spent it all :) 19:59:48 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> 1050 tonnes bdmt waiting :o 19:59:56 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> rarnpool bridge transfer 20:00:03 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> elrail is so expensive 20:00:21 <Alberth> bdmt? 20:00:29 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> building material 20:00:40 <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> 1 buck = 1 pound :-) 20:00:42 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> lol @ paying for elrail, but buying steam :) 20:01:35 <Alberth> should we use some metal for the machine shop to make farm supplies for the kiln? 20:01:50 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> won't help 20:01:57 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> ah ah 20:02:03 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> take the fmsp to the forests :) 20:02:05 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> btw. don't build steamers 20:02:06 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I'll do it 20:02:12 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> the diesel are cheaper and better 20:03:27 <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> Hmm, clearly too many players for the amount of income at the moment. I'll go afk for an hour and return later. 20:03:39 <frosch123> for a hour :o 20:04:16 <frosch123> no idea what we screwed up 20:04:23 <frosch123> did not build a proper money maker 20:04:27 <frosch123> though we had 500k :p 20:04:36 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> it's always same with FIRS 20:04:41 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> first few years are hard :P 20:06:12 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> are we waiting to buy more trains? 20:06:22 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> a sand train 20:06:28 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> kentown quarry 20:06:30 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I won't buy anything for a bit then 20:07:59 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> that's on a steep hill :) 20:08:05 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> new mine 20:09:12 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> bought the train 20:10:10 <Alberth> but it needs a stone train too there :) 20:10:22 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> why? 20:10:28 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> it's firs economy 20:10:34 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> you don't need a train always waiting 20:10:45 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> it's a raging cheat that :) 20:10:48 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I like it 20:10:50 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> firs cheated the system 20:12:13 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> what's next? 20:12:31 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> find a pax subsidy, make money :P 20:12:55 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> autorenew? 20:13:05 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> what lifetime does that ship have? 20:13:16 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> lots, I wanted a bigger one 20:13:25 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> but nvm 20:13:27 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> so the message is wrong? 20:13:31 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> yes 20:13:33 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> it means autoreplace? 20:13:36 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> yes 20:17:54 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> i doubt you will get the necessary money for autoreplace :p 20:17:56 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> yarp 20:18:04 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I'll stop that replace 20:20:34 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> oh, i messed up the train pathing 20:20:57 <planetmaker> !revision 20:21:00 <Nachtigall> planetmaker: Game version is r24502 20:21:14 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> that steam train for chemicals would be cheaper rebuilt as a tram 20:21:23 <frosch123> yay pm 20:21:24 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> maybe not :P 20:21:29 <planetmaker> !dl lin 20:21:30 <Nachtigall> planetmaker: http://binaries.openttd.org/nightlies/trunk/r24502/openttd-trunk-r24502-linux-generic-i686.tar.xz 20:21:52 <frosch123> andythenorth: see what cool commands the bots have here 20:22:05 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> ho ho 20:22:24 <planetmaker> good evening friends :-) 20:22:37 <planetmaker> !dl osx is for andy 20:22:38 <Nachtigall> planetmaker: http://binaries.openttd.org/nightlies/trunk/r24502/openttd-trunk-r24502-macosx-universal.zip 20:22:48 <frosch123> planetmaker: it feels good when some actualy coop member joins :) 20:23:25 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> our alu plant now has all required cargos 20:23:31 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> so we should get a lot more metal 20:24:18 <planetmaker> how very uncool. The generic binaries don't work for me 20:24:34 <frosch123> really :o 20:24:35 <planetmaker> libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory 20:25:42 <planetmaker> hm... though... I should use the amd64 one 20:25:49 <planetmaker> !dl 20:25:49 <Nachtigall> planetmaker: !dl autostart|autottd|autoupdate|lin|lin64|osx|win32|win64|win9x 20:25:53 <planetmaker> !dl lin64 20:25:53 <Nachtigall> planetmaker: http://binaries.openttd.org/nightlies/trunk/r24502/openttd-trunk-r24502-linux-generic-amd64.tar.xz 20:27:04 <planetmaker> helps a lot if I download the proper architecture :-) 20:28:03 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> "player" :p 20:28:09 <Nachtigall> <Player> meh :-) 20:28:23 <Nachtigall> <Player> and how do I open the console... the key left of 1 doesn't :-( 20:28:34 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> disable dead keys 20:28:37 <Nachtigall> *** Player has changed his/her name to planetm4ker 20:35:06 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> omg... we need to *fund* industries?! 20:35:12 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> yup 20:35:15 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> basecost mod 20:35:54 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> ach, nice. OpenTTD on 1920x1200 :-) 20:36:02 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> we need a sawmill soon 20:36:08 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I placed a sign for it 20:36:22 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> sawmill gives us lumber 20:36:24 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> lumber gives us bdmt 20:37:26 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> what does "near" mean? within the perimeter where a station would get a name related to rarnpool? 20:37:36 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> town name in label 20:42:04 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> don't buy anythinf for a bit please :) 20:42:10 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> need to fund a sawmill 20:42:33 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> done 20:42:58 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> wrong town 20:43:24 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> oh, it does not produce bdmt 20:43:27 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> no 20:43:28 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> why do you fund such a thing? 20:43:35 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> produces lumber 20:43:41 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> lumber yard produces bdmt 20:43:47 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> we have lots of wood nearby 20:43:57 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> we should do glass for the other industry 20:44:11 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> I outlined a bit the area which belongs to Rarnpool 20:44:19 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> anyway, move the glass works now? 20:44:23 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> yes 20:44:25 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> not a big area :-) 20:44:27 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> money is happening 20:45:49 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> oh, we have expensive bridges 20:46:11 <frosch123> planetmaker: the goal script searches explicitly for small towns :p 20:46:20 <frosch123> that is, small area 20:46:27 <frosch123> it gives you 16x16 per industry or so 20:46:35 <frosch123> plus 32x16 as bonus or so 20:46:51 <planetmaker> o_O :-) 20:47:18 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> ok, what's the plan, the status and the todo really? 20:47:36 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> need a lumber yard 20:47:36 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> we will fail the gold medal :) 20:47:42 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> nah 20:48:00 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> plan to connect all sand to stone is almost finished 20:48:00 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> we moved 1280t per quarter already 20:51:34 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> what next? 20:51:36 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> timber yard? 20:51:39 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> yes 20:51:53 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> use trams to move the lumber 20:52:23 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> cement plant? 20:52:29 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> could d 20:52:46 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> oh :o 20:52:50 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> brick works seems to conflict with glass works 20:52:52 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> we need 4 industries :o 20:52:58 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> do cement :) 20:52:58 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> yes, one more :p 20:52:58 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> quick 20:53:36 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> make sure it doesn't steal sand :P 20:53:55 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> it does not accept sand 20:53:58 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I'm going to run trucks for the coal 20:54:04 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> great 20:54:06 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> cement plant build 20:54:10 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> needs supplies 20:54:13 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> there is a coal mine 20:54:19 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> don't use trains, they'll congest 20:55:09 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> ok, I start to see a pattern :-) 20:55:28 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> holy cow, bridges are expensive! 20:55:50 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> my thoughts :) 20:56:56 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> so... we need a lumberyard? 20:57:06 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> yes 20:57:09 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> how big is it? 20:57:40 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> and how is it called in German? :D 20:57:40 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> can be quite small 20:57:47 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> timber yard 20:57:58 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> Holzverarbeitung... :-) 20:58:17 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> 2x4 tiles 20:59:03 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> I placed a sign for a good placement of it 20:59:21 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> build it 20:59:23 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> we have money 20:59:55 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> done 20:59:57 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> loads of lumber :) 21:01:10 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> station built 21:01:12 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> station walked the tram stop to it 21:01:39 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> where do we get chimicals and lumber from? 21:01:54 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> there are already chemicals 21:02:00 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> and timber as well 21:02:02 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> just in this town 21:02:25 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> timber is 30 tiles to the east or so 21:02:27 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> someone [TM] does the intown stuff. I'm a railnetwork guy :-P 21:02:29 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> at the dock 21:02:36 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> trams 21:02:46 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> ok, building tram 21:03:00 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> omg... ok. From there no train :-) 21:03:34 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> might need a few trams 21:03:40 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> produced 400t last month :P 21:04:15 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> 300t tram 21:07:09 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> ok, should have built a separate tram stop :p 21:07:20 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> trams block 21:07:22 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> horribly 21:08:10 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> waiting for that log truck :) 21:09:16 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> electrify that lumber line? 21:09:19 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> faster is better now 21:09:33 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> the one I built? 21:09:35 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> maybe 21:09:42 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> Flunthill 21:09:49 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> yes 21:09:55 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> yup 21:10:13 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> done ;-) 21:10:14 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> we'll get the 110mph engine soon 21:10:32 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> sh30, right? 21:10:39 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> yup 21:15:45 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> we do not transport any supplies 21:16:05 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> no :( 21:18:26 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> all the stone going to flunthill lime kiln should go to the cement plant instead 21:18:48 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> maybe not all 21:18:50 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> fixed it 21:21:08 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> I need 60k 21:21:28 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> we need lumber trains too 21:21:51 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> but we need to deliver the timber 21:21:54 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> 704t waiting 21:21:57 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> which we can't with one train 21:22:00 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> lumber = timber 21:22:11 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> we're looking at same thing :) 21:22:14 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> now we got two 21:22:29 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> ho ho 21:24:43 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> who removed the depot orders? 21:24:49 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> oops :o 21:25:36 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> 3rd lumber train 21:26:15 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> hm, I hate it, if the goal window opens as too small to show all text 21:26:21 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> need another clay train 21:27:54 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> you have the big screen to keep windows open 21:28:08 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> just never close minimap and goal gui 21:29:34 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> :-) yes... still,though 21:29:56 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> i hope you have at least the chat and the music player on the other screen :) 21:30:10 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> I do :-) 21:30:20 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> though no music player right now 21:31:40 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> fuck 21:31:46 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> bad terraform :( 21:32:29 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> always use shift+click for larger TF or in hilly terrain :-) 21:32:38 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> :m 21:32:54 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> before I built the tunnel I also checked what we could afford. I chose the hilly but only 22k version instead of 120k :-P 21:37:28 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> max train length 7 21:37:34 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> what kind of railroad is this? :P 21:41:45 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> more trams! 21:41:51 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> just built one 21:42:34 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> frosch: is there for NoGO for strings like {NUM} month{P "" s} 21:42:48 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> yes 21:42:54 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> you should use it ;-) 21:43:06 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> oh, for the "industries"? 21:43:16 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> 1 year and 1 months 21:43:27 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> should be month 21:43:39 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> time till end of game 21:45:09 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> fixed locally 21:46:10 <Alberth> it needs the "total transported cargo" window :p 21:46:13 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> did you just bulldoze the town? 21:46:59 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> bah 21:47:04 <Alberth> I hope you're not talking to me :) 21:47:05 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> time went too fast :( 21:47:16 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I planted trees 21:47:30 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> wee have 500t bdmt waiting 21:47:32 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> :( 21:47:42 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> ah, i have trees intransparent 21:47:48 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> *transparent 21:48:11 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> oh 21:48:17 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> we can contine for silver :o 21:48:20 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I didn't know that 21:48:30 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> would be pointless if there is only gold 21:49:56 <Alberth> trams are stuck south of the town 21:52:22 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> tram jam :) 21:52:58 <Alberth> ho, hotels :) never seen those :) 21:54:51 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> very cool... 5 years extension to reach silver. That's great :-) 21:55:10 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> nearly done 22:01:41 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> \o/ 22:01:43 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> bed time 22:01:45 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> one year too slow :) 22:01:55 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> great :-) 22:02:01 <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> congratz :-) 22:02:17 <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> I just checked your status :-) 22:02:27 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> "Baustoffe Valley" :D sounds strange ;-) 22:02:41 <Nachtigall> * andythen0rth needs to play this with patched FIRS supplies :P 22:02:47 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> building materials valley does not sound better 22:02:50 <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> that's the joke :p 22:03:02 <Nachtigall> *** andythen0rth has left the game (leaving) 22:03:08 <andythenorth> k bed time for me 22:03:12 <andythenorth> another nice GS evening 22:03:21 <Nachtigall> * planetm4ker images a valley with loads of bricks, timber, ... out somewhere in the remote wild west. 22:03:23 <andythenorth> next time, play around year 2000 :P 22:03:32 <andythenorth> faster tram is available then :P 22:03:36 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> bed time indeed. Thanks for the fun, guys :-) 22:03:46 <Nachtigall> *** fr0sch has left the game (leaving) 22:03:56 <Alberth> it needs much more money at start up 22:04:05 <frosch123> it is already the max loan :p 22:04:12 <Nachtigall> *** alberth has left the game (leaving) 22:04:17 <frosch123> we just need to build a money maker instead of going directly for the goal 22:04:20 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> much more? We failed only by one year. Could be feasible 22:04:24 <andythenorth> we could have done it 22:04:29 <Nachtigall> *** Zuuu has left the game (leaving) 22:04:29 <Nachtigall> *** Game paused (number of players) 22:04:36 <andythenorth> we had bdmt piling up untransported :P 22:04:48 <Alberth> the first few years are not fun at all, you just wait for money 22:04:50 <andythenorth> in 1973 we had 4,200t one quarter 22:05:00 <andythenorth> hmm 22:05:04 <andythenorth> fast tram is 2009 22:05:04 <Alberth> which other people spend :p 22:05:09 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> with unlimted money, the goals are not worth the fun 22:05:18 <andythenorth> you need drama :) 22:05:21 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> as you simply can "buy" the goal 22:05:24 <andythenorth> it's slow slow fast :) 22:05:36 <frosch123> as said, we should go for money first, not for the goal 22:05:40 <Alberth> you still need to lay down the capacity 22:05:52 <Zuu> So next challenge is to create a goal that is interesting with unlimited of money? :-) 22:05:57 <frosch123> it's enough if you build everything for the goal at the end 22:06:02 <frosch123> only one quarter matters 22:06:11 <andythenorth> unlimited money goal :o 22:06:19 <Alberth> Zuu: that'd be against each other in co-opetition?? 22:06:23 <frosch123> Zuu: "spend it all"? :p 22:06:34 <Zuu> :-) 22:07:04 <Zuu> Get one vehicle of each engine? 22:07:08 <andythenorth> there is no obvious money maker in FIRS btw 22:07:11 <Alberth> andythenorth: that's easy for one person, difficult for 3-4 :) 22:07:19 <frosch123> andythenorth: pax :p 22:07:20 <andythenorth> a pax subsidy with ships can be the best 22:07:25 <andythenorth> sell the ship when it arrives 22:07:29 <andythenorth> buy a new one the other end 22:07:31 <andythenorth> cheating? 22:07:49 <Alberth> nah, just a lot of stupid work :p 22:07:51 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> yes, cheating 22:08:05 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> Rondje om de Kerk won the NoAI competition with this cheating ;-) 22:08:11 <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> it's legal cheating 22:08:20 <Alberth> good night 22:08:32 <andythenorth> how much are RVs making in the game? Compared to trains? 22:08:48 <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (number of players) 22:08:48 <Nachtigall> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 22:09:04 <andythenorth> hmm 22:09:05 <andythenorth> less 22:09:12 <andythenorth> trains are insanely more profitable 22:09:16 <andythenorth> despite low RV costs 22:09:21 <andythenorth> [shrug] 22:09:34 <frosch123> it's the distance 22:09:36 *** Alberth has left #openttdcoop.nightly 22:09:41 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> and the speed 22:09:44 <frosch123> we only build rv on short distance 22:09:46 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> we made a lot more in 1975 22:09:51 <frosch123> because long distances are stupid with rv 22:09:54 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I added a very long very fast coal route 22:09:56 <frosch123> 100 rv are no fun 22:10:02 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> double headed, 10,000 HP 22:10:20 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> trains we had 1.5m profit 22:10:30 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> RVs 420k 22:10:44 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> wonder how much infrastructure costs were for each 22:11:10 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> woah 22:11:20 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> infrastructure costs were *lots* for trains 22:11:38 <Nachtigall> *** andythen0rth has left the game (leaving) 22:11:38 <Nachtigall> *** Game paused (number of players) 22:11:44 <andythenorth> we should try it with AV8 22:11:47 <andythenorth> flying coal around 22:12:01 <frosch123> then we need to disable infrastucture cost 22:12:06 <Zuu> an air game for the change may be interesting :-) 22:12:15 <planetmaker> Zuu, it wouldn't. 22:12:27 <planetmaker> It's just "place airport, place airport. build plane. done" 22:12:38 <frosch123> we need tile based airports :) 22:13:10 <andythenorth> we need to sleep :) 22:13:16 * andythenorth does anyway 22:13:18 <Nachtigall> *** planetm4ker has left the game (leaving) 22:13:20 <Zuu> we need automatic holding patterns to start with for that. And that have been on hold for like 1-2 years now :-) 22:13:22 <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players) 22:13:37 <planetmaker> Zuu, airports *do* have holding patterns ;-) 22:13:59 <planetmaker> they're part of the state machine of each airport actually 22:14:04 <Zuu> planetmaker: I talk about automatic holding patterns that are generated by the game and not hard coded by the airport state machine. 22:14:19 <planetmaker> I see :-) 22:14:32 <andythenorth> thanks for fun 22:14:34 <andythenorth> good night 22:14:34 *** andythenorth has left #openttdcoop.nightly 22:14:47 <planetmaker> so like "define available landing strip(s)" results in "this is your holding pattern :-) 22:15:08 <Zuu> I don't remember whom, but someone in the dev team had an attempt to make them auto-generated. 22:15:20 <frosch123> i think albert started to work no it 22:15:44 <frosch123> but yeah, we considered it the first step to better airports 22:15:47 <frosch123> proper aircraft routing 22:15:52 <Zuu> As it is now, it is very hard to write code that analyze the state machine to figure out what is the holding part of it and figure out if a airplane is in holding or not. 22:16:14 <frosch123> currently we have only hardcoded state machines 22:16:27 <frosch123> so you can change them to set explicit entry points 22:16:36 <frosch123> well, runways and heliports 22:16:44 <frosch123> with position, height and direction 22:16:51 <frosch123> the rest should be done with an algorithm 22:16:57 <Zuu> yep 22:18:06 <Zuu> If someone ever does that, I have a patch queue with API changes for NoAI to make it more ready for new airports. But that is also sort of on hold. 22:18:47 <frosch123> night 22:18:50 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 23:10:48 *** Zuu has quit IRC 23:17:28 *** Nachtigall has quit IRC 23:17:56 *** Nachtigall has joined #openttdcoop.nightly