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14:18:11  *** TWerkhoven has quit IRC
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14:47:15  <Ryton_> !date
14:47:15  <ProZone> Ryton_: 25 Jan 1975
14:47:36  <Ryton_> oh, the game is progressing!
14:47:45  <Ryton_> !topic
14:47:58  <Ryton_> @TOPIC
14:47:58  <Webster> Ryton_: #openttdcoop ProZone | PZG23 (r25186) | STAGE: MESS OR DIE | visit
14:49:21  <Ryton_> !info
14:49:21  <ProZone> Ryton_: #:1(Orange) Company Name: 'LoPo Transport'  Year Founded: 1975  Money: 100000  Loan: 100000  Value: 1  (T:0, R:0, P:0, S:0) unprotected
14:51:20  <Ryton_> but still 0 trains
14:54:27  <V453000> I doubt that is an actual real game?
14:54:30  <V453000> !password
14:54:30  <ProZone> V453000: quiche
14:54:40  <V453000> !dl win64
14:54:40  <ProZone> V453000:
14:55:31  <ProZone> *** Game still paused (number of players)
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14:56:00  <V453000> no plan no signs, no newGRFs ... only there is named LoPo transport
14:56:10  <V453000> I doubt that is intentional, though anything is possible
14:56:21  <V453000> as a matter of fact I do have an idea for a game here
14:58:24  <ProZone> *** V453000 has left the game (leaving)
14:58:24  <ProZone> *** Game paused (number of players)
14:58:36  <V453000> !update
14:58:36  <ProZone> V453000: Update starting...
15:01:16  <ProZone> Update done: OpenTTD r25244
15:01:52  <V453000> !install
15:01:59  <ProZone> V453000: install done, please run !restart
15:05:24  <V453000> !restart
15:05:24  <ProZone> V453000: Restart scheduled, will be initiated in next minute!
15:06:01  <ProZone> Scheduled quit for automated maintenance... will be back shortely
15:06:01  <ProZone> Thank you for playing r25186.
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15:06:14  <ProZone> Autopilot engaged
15:06:14  <ProZone> Loading savegame: '{#openttdcoop} ProZone ('
15:06:14  *** ChanServ sets mode: +v ProZone
15:06:14  *** Webster changes topic to "#openttdcoop ProZone | PZG23 (r25244) | STAGE: MESS OR DIE | visit"
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15:42:13  <V453000> !content
15:42:13  <ProZone> V453000: [Content] Connection established
15:42:13  <ProZone> V453000: [Content] Downloading 0 file(s) (0 bytes)
15:42:13  <ProZone> V453000: [Content] All 0 downloaded
15:42:13  <ProZone> V453000: [Content] (you need to rescan(ai|game|newgrf) to have the new content loaded)
15:46:05  <V453000> !getsave
15:46:06  <ProZone> V453000: OK :-)
15:46:59  <V453000> !rcon ls
15:46:59  <ProZone> V453000: 0) .. (Parent directory)
15:46:59  <ProZone> V453000: 1) archive/ (Directory)
15:46:59  <ProZone> V453000: 2) autosave/ (Directory)
15:46:59  <ProZone> V453000: 3) uploads/ (Directory)
15:46:59  <ProZone> V453000: 4) restart.sav
15:47:00  <ProZone> V453000: you have 40 more messages
15:47:03  <V453000> !rcon cd 3
15:47:06  <V453000> !rcon load 1
15:47:08  <ProZone> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players)
15:47:13  <V453000> !date
15:47:13  <ProZone> V453000: 13 Jan 2100
15:47:18  <V453000> !changepw
15:47:18  <ProZone> V453000: Password changed to muffin
15:47:20  <V453000> !password
15:47:21  <ProZone> V453000: muffin
15:47:42  <ProZone> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players)
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15:47:46  <V453000> !auto
15:47:46  <ProZone> *** V453000 has enabled autopause mode.
15:47:48  <ProZone> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players)
15:59:30  <V453000> !unpause
15:59:30  <ProZone> *** V453000 has unpaused the server.
15:59:40  <V453000> !rcon unpause
15:59:40  <ProZone> *** Game unpaused (manual)
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16:58:52  <Jam35> !dl
16:58:52  <ProZone> Jam35: !dl autostart|autoupdate|lin|lin64|osx|source|win32|win64|win9x
16:59:14  <Jam35> !dl win32
16:59:14  <ProZone> Jam35:
17:01:49  <Jam35> !password
17:01:49  <ProZone> Jam35: fluxed
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17:02:20  <ProZone> <V453000> behold the wall of text
17:02:24  <ProZone> <V453000> well more like lake, but k
17:02:42  <ProZone> <Jam35> it is kind of striking
17:02:52  <ProZone> <Jam35> nice :)
17:06:18  <V453000> @stage wtf
17:06:18  *** Webster changes topic to "#openttdcoop ProZone | PZG23 (r25244) | STAGE: wtf | visit"
17:09:12  <ProZone> <V453000> thoughts?
17:09:31  <ProZone> <Jam35> still trying to absorb all the info :)
17:10:50  <ProZone> <Jam35> need to know the industries better
17:11:01  <ProZone> <Jam35> so obviously not all are taken care of
17:11:15  <ProZone> <V453000> which isnt taken care of?
17:11:29  <ProZone> <Jam35> not sure doesn't look enough :)
17:11:35  <ProZone> <Jam35> fish?
17:11:41  <ProZone> <V453000> which fish
17:11:44  <ProZone> <Jam35> ok
17:12:06  <ProZone> <V453000> :)
17:12:12  <ProZone> <V453000> each firs economy is different
17:12:24  <ProZone> <Jam35> right that's my problem atm
17:12:30  <ProZone> <Jam35> let me look
17:12:36  <ProZone> <V453000> industries behave the same, but there are only some industries in each economy
17:12:46  <ProZone> <V453000> well obviously port has varying behaviour
17:14:36  <ProZone> <Jam35> yes this looks very interesting actually
17:14:55  <ProZone> <Jam35> can't wait to see what you come up with lol :)
17:15:22  <ProZone> <V453000> well point is that technically 2. and 3. could probably me combined
17:15:48  <ProZone> <V453000> with some pf trap
17:16:10  <ProZone> <V453000> and an order to slow down TL2 chameleons because they are faster than TL4.5
17:16:22  <ProZone> <Jam35> yes the complexity would be higher i guess
17:16:29  <ProZone> <V453000> prozone :P
17:16:35  <ProZone> <V453000> well not really
17:16:41  <ProZone> <V453000> in fact it would be less of a mess
17:16:49  <ProZone> <V453000> having 2 monorail networks is confusing
17:17:03  <ProZone> <Jam35> more mess yes harder to build
17:17:05  <ProZone> <V453000> but only chameleons can get the right amount of cargo I think :)
17:17:15  <ProZone> <V453000> probably some combination of rail wagons could reach it too
17:18:02  <ProZone> <V453000> hmh
17:18:08  <ProZone> <V453000> actually quite easily with TL4
17:18:26  <ProZone> <V453000> but ugly to mix wagons
17:18:36  <ProZone> <V453000> also newbridges and monorail ftw
17:18:36  <ProZone> <V453000> so ye
17:19:14  <ProZone> <V453000> idk if harder to build, the logic is the same
17:19:26  <ProZone> <V453000> you just connect all to one rail instead of 2
17:20:00  <ProZone> <Jam35> I suppose but more to connect in the space
17:20:10  <ProZone> <V453000> should be alright
17:20:16  <ProZone> <V453000> creating a multi-split is possible
17:20:18  <ProZone> <V453000> like a SLH
17:20:40  <ProZone> <Jam35> mhm
17:21:32  <ProZone> <Jam35> well I say go for it then, :)
17:21:42  <ProZone> <V453000> wtf is go for it
17:21:45  <ProZone> <V453000> you dont want to build owat :d
17:22:03  <ProZone> <V453000> I dont need your approval for "go for itů
17:22:05  <ProZone> <V453000> -ú
17:22:20  <ProZone> <Jam35> don't ask the question then :)
17:22:55  <ProZone> <V453000> but of course, because it is not a question if you allow me to do this, it is a question if you want to participate in it
17:22:57  <ProZone> <V453000> big difference
17:23:20  <ProZone> <V453000> and eventually say ideas on what could be done differently/better
17:23:22  <ProZone> <Jam35> i see :)
17:23:32  <ProZone> <Jam35> well I wouldn't mind trying
17:23:46  <ProZone> <V453000> well the maglev network is simple
17:23:50  <ProZone> <V453000> that is just normal cargo network
17:23:57  <ProZone> <Jam35> at least for as long as the PC holds up
17:24:03  <ProZone> <Jam35> that I can cope with
17:24:03  <ProZone> <V453000> monorail is srnw stuff but that isnt too terribly tough either
17:24:33  <ProZone> <Jam35> I get the logic, just haven't built
17:24:35  <ProZone> <V453000> well lets start with L_R ring around the edges
17:24:41  <ProZone> <V453000> and connect some primaries
17:24:55  <ProZone> <V453000> something like 5 tiles from the edge, not much
17:25:01  <ProZone> <Jam35> 2 minutes and right with you
17:25:03  <ProZone> <V453000>  :)
17:25:05  <ProZone> <Jam35> 1
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17:27:18  <ProZone> <V453000> TL5 CL3
17:27:21  <ProZone> <V453000> but I guess you know that
17:27:37  <ProZone> <Jam35> a reminder was good :)
17:30:48  <ProZone> <V453000> yayz
17:32:04  <ProZone> <V453000> steel mill in bottom right
17:35:22  <ProZone> <Jam35> so 11 drops approx how many hubs?
17:35:28  <ProZone> <V453000> any
17:35:34  <ProZone> <V453000> doesnt matter
17:35:49  <ProZone> <V453000> just connect stuff
17:40:46  <ProZone> <V453000> why double bridges ;)
17:41:02  <ProZone> <Jam35> I know
17:41:16  <ProZone> <V453000> dont overdo it :)
17:41:22  <ProZone> <V453000> just build as much as we need right now
17:41:40  <ProZone> <Jam35> ok
17:43:18  <ProZone> <V453000> hm I forgot to add chips :> later
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17:46:38  <ProZone> <V453000> take it here :D
17:47:00  <ProZone> <V453000> no need for the braking space btw
17:47:24  <ProZone> <Jam35> okies
17:47:42  <ProZone> <V453000> it is just one tile, but why would you build it if you dont need it :)
17:53:34  <ProZone> <V453000> can connect animals too btw
17:53:48  <ProZone> <Jam35> yep jus lokoking at that
17:53:54  <ProZone> <Jam35> *looking
17:54:04  <ProZone> <Jam35> lokoking is nice tho
17:54:04  <ProZone> <V453000> understood regardless
17:56:30  <ProZone> <V453000> same for milk now
17:56:53  <ProZone> <Jam35> ok
18:01:33  <ProZone> <V453000> +fruit
18:02:44  <ProZone> <Jam35> I'm slow gimme a chance :)
18:02:54  <ProZone> <V453000> no hurry :)
18:03:24  <ProZone> <Jam35> can you slow down so I don't look so bad?
18:03:38  <ProZone> <V453000> .. since when is good or bad measured in speed
18:04:13  <ProZone> <Jam35> hm you got me :)
18:04:43  <ProZone> <V453000> k all primary drops are ready
18:05:06  <ProZone> <Jam35> take your time
18:05:08  <ProZone> <Jam35> :)
18:05:22  <ProZone> <V453000> I will take care of beer now
18:05:26  <ProZone> <V453000> and metal
18:05:32  <ProZone> <V453000> which is actually exactly what im doing right now
18:05:38  <ProZone> <Jam35> right :)
18:07:24  <ProZone> <Jam35> so it's okay to use the drop station hubs for primaries?
18:07:34  <ProZone> <V453000> those are hubs, not hubs for primaries :P
18:07:44  <ProZone> <Jam35> sure thing boss
18:13:33  <ProZone> <Jam35> all I see is farms
18:13:40  <ProZone> <V453000> firs shit
18:13:46  <ProZone> <V453000> just nuke the ones you dislike
18:13:54  <ProZone> <Jam35> nice
18:14:24  <ProZone> <Jam35> V45300: future politician
18:14:27  <ProZone> <V453000> XD
18:14:41  <ProZone> <V453000> nuke the idiots! vote V
18:14:51  <ProZone> <Jam35> lol
18:15:41  <ProZone> <V453000> you can order nuking at president secretary, call anytime 24/7
18:17:25  <ProZone> <Jam35> 08000-NUKES
18:17:51  <ProZone> <V453000> would certainly get more calls than charity
18:18:35  <ProZone> <Jam35> indeed :)
18:26:34  <ProZone> <V453000> we got no booze
18:26:40  <ProZone> <V453000> game over
18:26:46  <ProZone> <V453000> oh we do
18:26:46  <ProZone> <Jam35> :)
18:26:48  <ProZone> <V453000> phew
18:26:50  <ProZone> <Jam35> why?
18:27:22  <ProZone> <V453000> openttd crashes if you dont have alcohol transported
18:27:29  <ProZone> <V453000> new feature
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18:28:07  <ProZone> <Jam35> it's a good one
18:30:01  <ProZone> <Jam35> MS?
18:30:05  <ProZone> <V453000> major shit
18:30:15  <ProZone> <V453000> also known as manufacturing supplies
18:30:18  <ProZone> <Jam35> amongst others :)
18:30:25  <ProZone> <V453000> :D
18:31:17  <ProZone> <Jam35> I mean where ? sorry
18:31:23  <ProZone> <V453000> o
18:31:29  <ProZone> <V453000> well that is produced by something later
18:31:35  <ProZone> <V453000> and delivered among food producing things
18:33:13  <ProZone> <Jam35> you have them in this network so any trick to their distribution?
18:33:35  <ProZone> <Jam35> i mean a full tl5 load and so on
18:33:45  <ProZone> <V453000> no just by orders
18:33:51  <ProZone> <V453000> we will probably have a lot of MS anyway
18:34:05  <ProZone> <V453000> so the few drops should be easy to handle with a-b-c-d orders
18:34:11  <ProZone> <Jam35> oka
18:34:18  <ProZone> <Jam35> but not yet?
18:34:49  <ProZone> <V453000> well we technically could as metal workshop makes those
18:34:51  <ProZone> <V453000> glass works too
18:34:57  <ProZone> <V453000> ye ok
18:35:15  <ProZone> <Jam35> where is the glass?
18:35:22  <ProZone> <V453000> sand drop
18:35:25  <ProZone> <V453000> Grinningwell Woods
18:35:39  <ProZone> <Jam35> got it
18:36:41  <Maraxus> !password
18:36:41  <ProZone> Maraxus: belied
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18:37:01  <ProZone> <Jam35> ah they only go to secondaries :)
18:37:01  <ProZone> <V453000> hi :)
18:37:04  <ProZone> <Jam35> hi
18:37:06  <ProZone> <Maraxus> hi :)
18:37:17  <ProZone> <V453000> yes, to brewery, dairy and livestock slaughterhouse of brutality
18:37:20  <ProZone> <Jam35> my bad
18:37:44  <ProZone> <Jam35> ok makes more sense now
18:37:58  <ProZone> <V453000> what we can do for now to make it even more effective is transfer at all 3 drops
18:38:10  <ProZone> <V453000> and then make a timed train which arrives only once per month with 1 wagon
18:38:13  <ProZone> <V453000> we can always remove that train later
18:38:19  <ProZone> <Jam35> yep
18:38:25  <ProZone> <V453000> hm nah worthless effort
18:38:29  <ProZone> <V453000> we arent using the food ye anyway
18:38:32  <ProZone> <Jam35> yep
18:38:35  <ProZone> <Jam35> :)
18:38:38  <ProZone> <V453000> and by the time we use it there will be enough ms anyway
18:38:54  <ProZone> <Jam35> yep?
18:41:16  <ProZone> <V453000> NO:
18:41:18  <ProZone> <V453000> :)
18:41:48  <ProZone> <Jam35> I gotta do some stuff
18:41:54  <ProZone> <Jam35> will be bak
18:42:00  <ProZone> <V453000> yes, you gotta build trains
18:42:00  <ProZone> <V453000> .
18:42:03  <ProZone> <Jam35> that too
18:42:09  <ProZone> <V453000> later :)
18:42:12  <ProZone> <Jam35> but must be later
18:42:22  <ProZone> <Jam35> say...1/2 hr or so
18:42:41  <ProZone> <Jam35> Maraxus is here now :)
18:42:59  <ProZone> <V453000> :D
18:43:07  <ProZone> <Jam35> brb
18:43:17  <ProZone> <V453000> he is reading plan or went afk to report me to nuthouse :P
18:43:31  <ProZone> <Maraxus> reading and reading and reading and...
18:44:53  <ProZone> <V453000> :)
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18:52:48  <tycoondemon> !password
18:52:48  <ProZone> tycoondemon: rodeos
18:53:26  <tycoondemon> !version
18:53:26  <ProZone> tycoondemon: Autopilot AP+ 4.0 Beta (r98+.2f60dc8a1b7c+)
18:53:33  <tycoondemon> !dl
18:53:33  <ProZone> tycoondemon: !dl autostart|autoupdate|lin|lin64|osx|source|win32|win64|win9x
18:53:36  <tycoondemon> !game
18:53:44  <V453000> same as ps
18:53:53  <V453000> !ip
18:53:53  <ProZone> V453000:
18:53:54  <zxbiohazardzx> k
18:54:08  <tycoondemon> ow, well my openttd auto update doesnt work
18:54:19  <ProZone> <V453000> yeah I think it is broken with pz
18:54:25  <tycoondemon> hmmm
18:54:29  <zxbiohazardzx> !pass
18:54:31  <tycoondemon> !dl win64
18:54:31  <ProZone> tycoondemon:
18:54:36  <zxbiohazardzx> !password
18:54:36  <ProZone> zxbiohazardzx: rodeos
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18:55:01  <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> sooo
18:55:03  <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> pz game
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18:56:18  <tycoondemon> chat doest work?
18:56:24  <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> does
18:56:24  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> I am not pro yet
18:56:26  <ProZone> <V453000> :d ?
18:56:33  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> it missed mylast chat
18:56:35  <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> so im reading the plan....
18:56:50  <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> SRNW?
18:57:00  <ProZone> <V453000> sort of
18:57:11  <ProZone> <V453000> more like regulated multidrop than srnw
18:57:13  <ProZone> <V453000> but ye
18:57:15  <ProZone> <V453000> just read the plan
18:57:17  <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> mindblowing :) loving it already
18:57:38  <zxbiohazardzx> just hate im on a laptop and not at home :(
18:58:53  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> so
18:59:00  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> this game allready is started for?
18:59:15  <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> usually is
18:59:25  <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> im still readin tha plan
18:59:32  <ProZone> <V453000> does it look not started or? :D
18:59:32  <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> firs is a biatch imo\
18:59:42  <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> real fun to play
18:59:45  <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> just challenging to balance
19:01:11  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> @@ES
19:01:14  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> @@FS
19:01:15  <Webster> ProZone: (fs <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "webpage [concat ]".
19:01:29  <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> ES: Engineering Supplies
19:01:35  <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> FS: Fertilizer Supplies
19:01:38  <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> i guess
19:01:45  <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> given the contect
19:01:47  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> ok I guessed it right :P
19:02:21  <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> srnw rings :(
19:02:27  <ProZone> <V453000> well if you look above trains which have cargo labels above them ... :)
19:02:49  <ProZone> <V453000> wtf is wrong with a srnw ring
19:03:12  <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> well to start i never made a srnw yet
19:03:14  <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> :P
19:03:28  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> @srnw
19:03:34  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> @@SRNW
19:03:34  <Webster> srnw: Self-regulating Network, see also:
19:03:36  <V453000> @srnw
19:03:37  <Webster> srnw: Self-regulating Network, see also:
19:03:38  <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> self regulating network
19:03:41  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> I hate acronims
19:03:47  <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> get used to it
19:03:57  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> trying
19:04:09  <ProZone> <V453000> if you use it a lot it becomes a word really
19:04:28  <ProZone> <Jam35> but can you pronounce it?
19:04:32  <ProZone> <Jam35> bk :)
19:04:42  <ProZone> <V453000> no, in case of srnw I just pronounce self regulation :)
19:06:08  <zxbiohazardzx> snrw just pronounce the letters, works for me
19:06:14  <zxbiohazardzx> brb, afk, snrw
19:06:15  <zxbiohazardzx> :P
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19:06:18  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> I dont see any srnw
19:06:26  <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> ports to outer ring ?
19:06:43  <Ryton_> !password
19:06:43  <ProZone> Ryton_: boyish
19:06:52  <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> nvm
19:06:58  <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> 2.productes :P
19:07:17  <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> thats strange as its also put under 1 :P
19:07:24  <Ryton_> !password
19:07:24  <ProZone> Ryton_: boyish
19:07:52  <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> jam @ gedingwell woods/farm
19:08:18  <ProZone> <V453000> :)
19:08:25  <ProZone> <Jam35> good one V
19:08:27  <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> fixed
19:08:29  <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> temp
19:08:44  <ProZone> <V453000> how is that temp and not final
19:08:54  <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> meh whatev
19:09:00  <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> like so;)
19:09:03  <ProZone> <Jam35> unrelated question:
19:09:10  <ProZone> <V453000> no
19:09:25  <ProZone> <V453000> unrelated answer
19:09:31  <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> so chems from ports -> to primairy ring?
19:09:33  <ProZone> <Jam35> if a dummy train continually drops and picks up, with no extra supplies
19:09:40  <ProZone> <Jam35> ...does the cargo decay?
19:10:02  <ProZone> <V453000> I think it would but I dont know
19:10:12  <ProZone> <V453000> well we need the ports first
19:10:18  <ProZone> <V453000> so chemicals will have to wait
19:10:18  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> @@pftraps
19:10:35  <V453000> @wiki pf-trap
19:10:36  <Webster> Search - #openttdcoop Wiki -
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19:11:09  <Ryton2> !dl win64
19:11:09  <ProZone> Ryton2:
19:11:11  <V453000> as mentioned in the beginning of
19:11:16  <Ryton2> autoupdate faillure :'(
19:11:23  <V453000> do it manually
19:11:49  <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> its pathfinder trap
19:12:31  <tycoondemon> this I know
19:12:32  <Ryton_> !password
19:12:32  <ProZone> Ryton_: thumps
19:12:40  <tycoondemon> I also recognize the term from long ago
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19:12:53  <tycoondemon> but I dont know how it exactly works
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19:12:56  <ProZone> <Ryton> now THATs a network plna :D
19:12:59  <ProZone> <V453000> :)
19:13:02  <ProZone> <V453000> plna indeed
19:13:14  <ProZone> <Ryton> Firs  is always good
19:13:16  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> well the e
19:13:30  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> exiting part is now done; reading the plan
19:13:30  <ProZone> <Ryton> I understand now that you cannot summarize that on PS
19:13:32  <ProZone> <V453000> firs is only good when you have some new idea
19:13:43  <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> whats the CL on outer?
19:13:49  <ProZone> <V453000> 3
19:13:55  <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> k
19:14:01  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> so why are there allready trains?
19:14:16  <ProZone> <Ryton> trainyard
19:14:22  <ProZone> <V453000> primary trains, you nee to start with those ofc as other products depend on them
19:16:00  <ProZone> <Ryton> sounds fun
19:16:53  <ProZone> <Ryton> btw, all MONO stations
19:17:19  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> we need a mono station at each primary
19:17:25  <ProZone> <Ryton> exept for the secondary drop I guess?
19:17:32  <ProZone> <V453000> for now we need to make ports
19:17:34  <ProZone> <V453000> primaries
19:17:36  <ProZone> <V453000> later
19:17:36  <ProZone> <Ryton> k
19:18:06  <ProZone> <V453000> also establishing pf traps
19:18:08  <ProZone> <V453000> etc
19:18:34  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> this is too pro for me, I dont know what to do
19:18:44  <ProZone> <V453000> you can connect some primaries to the maglev network
19:18:50  <ProZone> <V453000> but not brutally many :P
19:20:05  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> not many primaries left
19:22:26  <ProZone> <Ryton> does it make sense to mark the drop sites?
19:22:40  <ProZone> <Ryton> sicne there is only 1 drop per primary  cargo atm?
19:22:43  <ProZone> <V453000> meh
19:22:46  <ProZone> <Ryton> or is that wrong?
19:22:48  <ProZone> <Ryton>  :p
19:22:55  <ProZone> <V453000> mark you mean name stations sensibly?
19:22:57  <ProZone> <V453000> that cant hurt
19:23:03  <ProZone> <Ryton> yeah, or put a sign
19:23:05  <ProZone> <Ryton> either way
19:23:19  <Mazur> V453000, in the Two-Way signal page, am I missing something or does the oveflow miss an exit towards te platform?
19:23:30  <ProZone> <V453000> just name the stations :)
19:23:46  <V453000> idk I didnt write the page :D
19:23:47  <V453000> lets see
19:24:15  <V453000> :D ok noob Vinnie stuff
19:24:16  <V453000> :P
19:24:27  <ProZone> <V453000> yes ofc it is missing :)
19:24:46  <Mazur> It would also only exit towards the first platform in that position.
19:24:50  <ProZone> <V453000> yes
19:25:22  <Mazur> Hah, my long absense has not _completely_ dulled my openttd kno0wledge.
19:25:28  <ProZone> <V453000> :D
19:25:50  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> I have no time to play tonight:S
19:25:53  <ProZone> <Ryton> clay drop => to a port, or to a central drop from where you deliver to many ports?
19:25:59  <ProZone> <Ryton> to central drop I guess?
19:26:05  <ProZone> <V453000> directly to port
19:26:07  <ProZone> <Ryton> kk
19:26:09  <ProZone> <Ryton> just one then?
19:26:12  <ProZone> <V453000> no, all of them
19:26:15  <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> clay -> port via the 2ndairy net according to plan
19:26:17  <ProZone> <V453000> it has only load command
19:26:19  <ProZone> <Ryton> hmm, clay is a secondary
19:26:19  <ProZone> <Ryton> k
19:26:25  <ProZone> <Ryton> mssed that :-)
19:26:27  <ProZone> <Ryton> sorry
19:26:29  <ProZone> <V453000> iz alright
19:26:47  <ProZone> <ZxBiohazardZx> got to go :(
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19:27:55  <zxbiohazardzx> hate :)
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19:43:13  <ProZone> <V453000> yayz :D
19:43:17  <ProZone> <V453000> first goods dropped at port
19:53:25  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> I like the booze station
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19:59:50  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> piggies makes complicated station
20:00:16  <ProZone> <Ryton> simple is possibletoo
20:00:19  <ProZone> <Ryton> but complex is more fun
20:00:50  <ProZone> <Ryton> btw, how expandable should the ML be?
20:00:56  <ProZone> <Ryton> the primary one? :p
20:01:06  <ProZone> <Ryton> very, or only  a bit?
20:01:32  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> it is allready inpassible
20:01:39  <ProZone> <Ryton> you can always work around it
20:01:45  <ProZone> <Ryton> or remove the primary station
20:02:07  <ProZone> <Ryton> V said: not too many primaries :pp
20:02:29  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> more primaries is  more trouble for supplies :P
20:03:16  <ProZone> <Maraxus> gn
20:03:22  <ProZone> <Ryton> cya
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20:04:18  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> I gonna repay our lone
20:04:29  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> it is to heavy a burden otherwise QE
20:08:11  <ProZone> <Ryton> i'm off too
20:08:13  <ProZone> <Ryton> cya
20:08:19  <ProZone> <Jam35> bb
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20:08:29  <ProZone> <V453000> bai
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20:10:59  <ProZone> <V453000> the cargo would have decayed by now already btw
20:11:11  <ProZone> <Jam35> would have?
20:11:13  <ProZone> <V453000> it just unloads and loads it too quickly I think
20:11:19  <ProZone> <V453000> so it wont decay this way
20:11:21  <ProZone> <Jam35> ah
20:11:43  <ProZone> <V453000> also I think some cargoes dont decay
20:11:57  <ProZone> <V453000> e.g. mineral cargoes
20:11:57  <ProZone> <Jam35> maybe that much cargo is enough for my idea
20:11:59  <ProZone> <V453000> for example food might
20:12:07  <ProZone> <Jam35> not really used as a cargo
20:12:18  <ProZone> <Jam35> just as a decision
20:12:28  <ProZone> <Jam35> based on the amount
20:12:42  <ProZone> <V453000> ?
20:12:53  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> what cargo is decaying?
20:14:04  <ProZone> <Jam35> was thinking whether putting x cargo on platforms could be used to make trains decide what to do
20:14:19  <ProZone> <Jam35> for example what cargo to refit to or whatever
20:14:22  <ProZone> <V453000> I cant see an application but hm
20:15:04  <ProZone> <Jam35> so if it loaded one crate means it it somewhere to refit to x
20:15:14  <ProZone> <Jam35> or something equally bizarre
20:15:22  <ProZone> <V453000> I see
20:15:36  <ProZone> <V453000> but why do you test decaying
20:15:42  <ProZone> <V453000> you can keep the cargo on trains all the time
20:15:50  <ProZone> <Jam35> well it would break if the amount was not right over time
20:16:01  <ProZone> <V453000> you can unload the cargo at that moment
20:16:05  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> i should decay on trains too
20:16:11  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> that would be fair
20:16:25  <ProZone> <Jam35> even better :)
20:17:20  <ProZone> <V453000> omfg I am so retarded
20:17:22  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> now I get the pathfinder trap
20:17:24  <ProZone> <V453000> we only need 1 pf trap
20:17:40  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> the only way to get back to the load station is via the other type rail
20:17:46  <ProZone> <V453000> yes
20:17:49  <ProZone> <V453000> exactly
20:18:05  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> and it goes too a free rail, at a station
20:18:15  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> where it has to wait for the logic timer
20:18:15  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> etc
20:18:21  <ProZone> <V453000> yep
20:18:23  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> eureka!
20:18:30  <ProZone> <V453000> see, you arent as retarded as Jam35
20:18:52  <ProZone> <Jam35> ...
20:18:55  <ProZone> <V453000> :>
20:18:58  <ProZone> <V453000> war
20:19:04  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> FIGHT
20:19:07  <ProZone> <Jam35> expect nukes
20:19:17  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> bare fists only!
20:19:24  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> or snorty remarks
20:19:26  <ProZone> <V453000> rails only
20:19:32  <ProZone> <Jam35> you win
20:19:34  <ProZone> <V453000> :(
20:19:44  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> no challange for V
20:19:58  <ProZone> <Jam35> that's his weapon of choice
20:20:16  <ProZone> <Jam35> i decline challenge
20:20:31  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> I like this game better now that I understand it :P
20:20:37  <ProZone> <V453000> .)
20:21:15  <ProZone> <V453000> hm I should make the pf trap more systematically
20:21:23  <ProZone> <V453000> or
20:21:26  <ProZone> <V453000> hm yeah
20:21:28  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> they are chaos
20:21:32  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> but work
20:21:42  <ProZone> <V453000> not for long
20:21:46  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> If I would have made, I would make them all the same
20:22:04  <ProZone> <V453000> the problem will be that trains will start prefering some stations and ignore others
20:22:04  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> like I want all station names to be consistant
20:22:26  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> I can understand why
20:22:44  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> long pathfinder does not take red signals in to account?
20:23:06  <ProZone> <V453000> that too but the real issue is that another path would simply be shorter
20:23:08  <ProZone> <V453000> but yes
20:23:26  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> well I would say:
20:23:32  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> that when the trains goes round
20:23:47  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> it re finds its shortest path from where it is?
20:23:55  <ProZone> <V453000> +-
20:24:01  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> and that would not alsway be via some place
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20:24:56  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> so you just have to make all the paths from any point on the circle not longer then the next station
20:24:58  <ProZone> <V453000> either way the solution should be a reverse direction ring
20:25:08  <ProZone> <V453000> yes
20:25:38  <ProZone> <V453000> if the train is always returning back to the station, it will attempt to return asap
20:27:06  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> or oll paths from the load station to the point of the connection to the ring at the dropstation
20:27:20  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> should be as long as each other
20:27:43  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> and or differ not more that the distance between any drop station on the circle
20:27:50  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> thats what I would think
20:28:20  <ProZone> <V453000> what I normally do is !that
20:29:27  <ProZone> <V453000> I think this should work as I expect it to
20:29:29  <ProZone> <V453000> but lets see
20:29:31  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> yes but then make it a circle, it would be an endless track of next trap is shortest
20:29:45  <ProZone> <V453000> probably
20:30:07  <ProZone> <V453000> yeah it should
20:31:13  <ProZone> <V453000> 2 ports and 2 secondaries done :)
20:31:18  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> :)
20:34:14  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> check !that V
20:34:33  <ProZone> <V453000> yes, the previous version
20:34:36  <ProZone> <V453000> now we have ring
20:35:59  <ProZone> <V453000> if I see it right, at any point anywhere the train should want to join the ring asap
20:36:14  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> that is indeed true I think
20:37:18  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> is this pathfinder thingy a bug or feature? :P
20:37:29  <ProZone> <V453000> which part of it
20:37:31  <ProZone> <V453000> 2way signals?
20:37:41  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> different rail type
20:37:51  <ProZone> <V453000> it is universal rail
20:38:17  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> so It wont work on different rail then
20:38:33  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> its only for making clear the difference
20:38:43  <ProZone> <V453000> to say it correctly, it will work for any combination of 2 compatible rail types
20:38:53  <ProZone> <V453000> compatibly rail types is a newgrv value
20:38:55  <ProZone> <V453000> newgrf
20:39:03  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> h
20:39:05  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> hmm
20:39:23  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> I only noticed the to way signal now
20:39:42  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> and it solved the proble I was having about what would happen when you would use the same rail
20:40:00  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> but is was never a problem, just a mis understanding
20:40:02  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> :P
20:40:08  <ProZone> <V453000> :)
20:40:24  <ProZone> <V453000> if you use a combination of X + univrail at pf trap, it breaks actually :P
20:40:55  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> what do you mean by that?
20:41:31  <ProZone> <V453000> the diverting of traffic can break
20:41:46  <tycoondemon> yes on what condition
20:42:04  <ProZone> <V453000> that the pf trap consists of a bad combination of univ rail and another track type
20:42:14  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> you mean you use actual two different (incompatible) rail types?
20:42:20  <ProZone> <V453000> compatible
20:42:22  <ProZone> <V453000> it is a bug
20:42:36  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> so it wont work without universal rail
20:42:50  <ProZone> <V453000> uhfmfff
20:43:10  <ProZone> <V453000> if you use One rail type (univ rail, rail, mglv, mono, any rail type, One of them)
20:43:13  <ProZone> <V453000> it cant ever break
20:43:21  <ProZone> <V453000> if you combine two compatible railtypes, it can
20:44:15  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> and compatible rail are universal with any other (one) rail type
20:44:29  <ProZone> <V453000> well the ones we have currently at least
20:44:36  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> ok
20:44:38  <ProZone> <V453000> it probably isnt compatible with rail types defined by other newGRFs
20:44:40  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> then I understand
20:48:23  <ProZone> <V453000> hm, coloured univrail would be handy in this game
20:48:35  <ProZone> <V453000> will make that newGRF sooner or later :)
20:49:21  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> maybe an overall grf for custom rail colering
20:49:27  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> would be cooler still
20:49:34  <ProZone> <V453000> ?
20:49:52  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> a newgrf that lets you color any track
20:49:58  <ProZone> <V453000> cant do
20:51:57  <tycoondemon> I must say you keep coming up with good plans V
20:52:05  <ProZone> <V453000> hm :)
20:52:11  <ProZone> <V453000> thanks I guess
20:52:39  <tycoondemon> any time I checked a voting bord, allways your plan sticks out for me
20:52:48  <tycoondemon> not that I played much, but still
20:53:18  <ProZone> <V453000> well it usually is weird in one way or another :P
20:53:29  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> that is true
20:53:39  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> and weird mostly is interesting
20:53:53  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> mostly usually
20:54:03  <ProZone> <V453000> :D
20:54:34  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> so now a srnw for the supplies
20:55:44  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> well I have to go
20:55:51  <ProZone> <V453000> next time :)
20:55:57  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> indeed
20:56:07  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> interesting revelations tonight
20:56:10  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> tnx for that
20:56:13  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> bb
20:56:18  <ProZone> <V453000> you are welcome
20:56:20  <ProZone> <V453000> see you
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20:57:51  <ProZone> <Jam35> are you building?
20:57:57  <ProZone> <V453000> just finished first ES connection
20:58:11  <ProZone> <Jam35> sorry not been much help and have to go
20:58:25  <ProZone> <V453000> dont say that :) you can always catch up on that :P
20:58:41  <ProZone> <Jam35> just haven't built much
20:58:52  <ProZone> <V453000> other people didnt even join :)
20:58:59  <ProZone> <Jam35> fair enuf :)
20:59:13  <ProZone> <Jam35> anyways gn
20:59:19  <ProZone> <V453000> byez
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21:11:53  <test> !dl lin64
21:11:53  <ProZone> test:
21:12:08  <test> !dl
21:12:08  <ProZone> test: !dl autostart|autoupdate|lin|lin64|osx|source|win32|win64|win9x
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21:13:44  <V453000> webster ban test :)
21:13:58  <V453000> :)

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