Log for on 22nd May 2013:
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11:23:29  <ProZone> <Mazur> Nice little oilfield.
11:23:53  <V453000> lets see how far can we get online
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11:45:01  <V453000> !password
11:45:01  <ProZone> V453000: levers
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12:58:07  <tycoondemon> pz game is only so V453000 doesnt get bored on public server? :P
12:58:21  <V453000> not exactly :)
12:59:29  <ProZone> <V453000> pro zone is to make madness
13:00:19  <tycoondemon> isnt that like the same?
13:00:29  <ProZone> <V453000> ok you win :)
13:00:30  <tycoondemon> no madness is no fun
13:29:24  <ProZone> <V453000> :>
13:29:30  <ProZone> <V453000> another station complete
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16:45:40  <V453000> !password
16:45:40  <ProZone> V453000: candid
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17:17:29  <Vinnie_nl> !password
17:17:29  <ProZone> Vinnie_nl: behold
17:17:44  <ProZone> <Vinnie> hello
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17:19:16  <Maraxus> !password
17:19:16  <ProZone> Maraxus: behold
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17:19:41  <ProZone> <Maraxus> hi
17:19:51  <ProZone> <Vinnie> hey
17:21:01  <ProZone> <V453000> hai
17:21:56  <ProZone> <V453000> at least some traffic now :)
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17:26:11  <Ryton_> !playercount
17:26:11  <ProZone> Ryton_: Number of players: 3 (1 spectators)
17:27:58  <ProZone> <V453000> Maraxus: just grab a spot and make some sideline(s) :P
17:29:09  <Maraxus> would love to, but just here to look for a bit, got some schoolwork to do which need to be done by tomorrow...
17:29:28  <ProZone> <V453000> I didnt say only today is the chance :P
17:30:52  <Maraxus> I'll be back :)
17:31:02  <ProZone> <V453000> . :)
17:31:17  <Maraxus> cu
17:31:23  <ProZone> <V453000> bai
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17:47:10  <ProZone> <Vinnie> can you explain me something about your SRNW 09 Entry
17:47:24  <ProZone> <V453000> never
17:47:30  <ProZone> <V453000> ... dont ask to ask just ask :)
17:47:53  <ProZone> <Vinnie> lets say split A is the only free choice in that line
17:48:02  <ProZone> <Vinnie> all other entry signals are red
17:48:24  <ProZone> <Vinnie> Why release train in Lane B?
17:48:42  <ProZone> <V453000> because there is something empty in B?
17:48:56  <ProZone> <V453000> unless I mixed it around
17:49:22  <ProZone> <V453000> WELL :D
17:49:24  <ProZone> <V453000> that is just a mistake
17:51:45  <ProZone> <V453000> how did you discover that ?:D
17:51:47  <ProZone> <V453000> thanks
17:51:57  <ProZone> <Vinnie> i read signals
17:53:18  <ProZone> <V453000> well I suppose the amount of movement through the overflow was suspicious :)
17:54:12  <ProZone> <V453000> I am ahead in built SL count btw :P
17:54:12  <ProZone> <Vinnie> also you create some interesting puzzels you can solve. If you try to understand them
17:54:26  <ProZone> <V453000> what do you mean by that
17:55:02  <ProZone> <Vinnie> looking at some of your builds they are quite puzzel to fully understand
17:55:16  <ProZone> <Vinnie> but trying to is fun
17:55:18  <ProZone> <V453000> the depots inside of the station are probably a total wtf
17:55:26  <ProZone> <V453000> and it was total wtf for me to build just as well
17:55:56  <ProZone> <Vinnie> btw i think my laptop is about to fail this map
17:56:02  <ProZone> <V453000> already?
17:56:23  <Vinnie_nl> 1,7 GHz Intel Core i5
17:56:30  <ProZone> <V453000> well we can always stop ML traffic
17:56:32  <Vinnie_nl> 4 GB 1333 MHz DDR3
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17:56:46  <ProZone> <V453000> there is the !stopper for that
17:56:48  <Vinnie_nl> and this is the killer, intergrated videocard
17:56:49  <Vinnie_nl> Intel HD-video 3000 384 MB
17:56:50  <ProZone> <V453000> so if you have problems, np
17:56:58  <Ryton> !password
17:56:58  <ProZone> Ryton: spinal
17:57:01  <ProZone> <V453000> well we could also just stop-command ML train group as there is only one :)
17:57:13  <ProZone> <Vinnie> not for me
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17:57:35  <ProZone> <V453000> hi
17:57:57  <ProZone> <Ryton> with 2 you win? :-)
17:58:23  <ProZone> <V453000> 2 of what? :)
17:58:29  <ProZone> <Ryton> SLH's
17:58:35  <ProZone> <V453000> so far :P
17:59:42  <ProZone> <V453000> you can try to even out the score however :)
18:03:43  <ProZone> <Ryton> will yoube mad
18:03:48  <ProZone> <Ryton> if i make an error? :p ;-)
18:03:50  <ProZone> <Vinnie> i will
18:03:53  <ProZone> <Ryton> good :-)
18:03:57  <ProZone> <Ryton> I need some pressure :p
18:04:08  <ProZone> <Vinnie> i go get spanking equipment
18:05:58  <ProZone> <Ryton> but, I need to finish something else first
18:06:08  <ProZone> <Ryton> about an hour, then I'll start
18:07:57  <Jam35> !password
18:07:57  <ProZone> Jam35: styled
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18:08:21  <ProZone> <Jam35> yello
18:08:27  <ProZone> <Vinnie> gree
18:10:28  <ProZone> <Vinnie> trains load in the order they enter station?
18:11:56  <ProZone> <V453000> pretty much
18:12:02  <ProZone> <V453000> hi James
18:12:44  <ProZone> <Jam35> Vasek :)
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18:27:43  <Vinnie_nl> !password
18:27:43  <ProZone> Vinnie_nl: hugest
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18:41:44  <ProZone> <Vinnie> cya later
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19:11:49  <Jam35> !password
19:11:49  <ProZone> Jam35: eagles
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19:15:34  <ProZone> <V453000> go build as SL :P
19:16:22  <ProZone> <Jam35> I have a shit idea, not sure it will work
19:19:48  <ProZone> <V453000> only one way to find out :P
19:20:33  <ProZone> <Jam35> I know :)
19:31:45  <ProZone> <V453000> as long as it outputs 100% full trains, it is always okay
19:31:51  <ProZone> <V453000> so dont be afraid to try :)
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19:44:22  <tycoondemon> public server is dead!!! :s
19:44:23  <tycoondemon> :P
19:44:57  <V453000> no it isnt :)
19:45:23  <ProZone> <V453000> Jam35: if you already add logic, it is better to do it with presignals :P
19:45:29  <ProZone> <V453000> you can do this
19:46:00  <ProZone> <V453000> if you want to keep platforms intact
19:46:12  <ProZone> <V453000> and then you need just 1 not gate to the dummy
19:46:22  <ProZone> <V453000> the PBS is generally to avoid logic gates/other reasons
19:47:02  <ProZone> <Jam35> I see yes, but was trying something else
19:47:08  <ProZone> <Jam35> a blocking train
19:47:14  <ProZone> <Jam35> in front of platforms
19:48:48  <ProZone> <V453000> that I understand, but it doesnt make much sense to do that :P
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19:49:16  <ProZone> <Jam35> why not? :)
19:49:18  <ProZone> <Ryton> 20 mins
19:49:20  <ProZone> <V453000> well, try :D
19:49:30  <ProZone> <V453000> be here in 19 or you are dead!
19:49:33  <ProZone> <Jam35> something makes sense here?
19:49:39  <ProZone> <V453000> duh
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19:50:05  <ProZone> <Jam35> you know what I mean
19:51:02  <ProZone> <Jam35> don't want to now :(
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19:52:36  <ProZone> <V453000> if I understand it correcly you are basically doing something like the RV srnw station I made :D
19:53:30  <ProZone> <Jam35> that rings a bell
19:53:44  <ProZone> <Jam35> long train right?
19:54:14  <tycoondemon> !password
19:54:14  <ProZone> tycoondemon: brewed
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19:54:28  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> groul!
19:54:46  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> ow new plan
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19:58:14  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> so is this an old game?
19:58:20  <ProZone> <V453000> sort of
19:58:42  <ProZone> <V453000> the core of it is old, but it doesnt work in latest revisions so I fixed the timing mechanism and now we need to repopulate :)
19:58:53  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> hmmm
19:58:56  <ProZone> <V453000> in other words I fixed the concept and now it basically is a classic SRNW game
19:59:34  <ProZone> <V453000> aim: reach absolute ML packing
19:59:44  <ProZone> <V453000> and most likely more than 200k goods/ month
19:59:59  <ProZone> <V453000> though I  totally do not know how many clients will be able to stay on the server
20:00:05  <ProZone> <V453000> 4000 trains is not unlikely
20:00:33  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> why do trains superspeed from EOTLS to wp?
20:00:35  <ProZone> <V453000> the original game had 2500 without many waiting trains and without dummy trains
20:00:45  <ProZone> <V453000> dummy trains
20:01:11  <ProZone> <V453000> they need to turn around in the waypoint to block another train from entering until another dummy train is full
20:01:19  <ProZone> <Ryton> hey td
20:01:33  <ProZone> <V453000> though the station has so much oil that it isnt necessary at all ... but you still need to hold them there just in case
20:01:41  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> he rython
20:03:03  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> right I get it
20:03:09  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> its a wierd way
20:03:20  <ProZone> <V453000> 09 is a lot more weird
20:03:38  <ProZone> <V453000> if you discover why there are the depots, tell me :D becuase I dont know
20:03:53  <ProZone> <V453000> hm actually I do
20:03:55  <ProZone> <V453000> meh
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20:11:29  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> let me see
20:11:50  <ProZone> <V453000> no.
20:11:55  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> so why is the station spread only 64?  :P
20:12:05  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> I will see anyway
20:12:07  <ProZone> <V453000> since when is higher a possibility?
20:14:18  <ProZone> <Jam35> trains hate my line
20:16:03  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> something with pbs
20:16:09  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> the depot
20:16:11  <ProZone> <V453000> not surprising that they hate your line
20:16:29  <ProZone> <V453000> hm
20:16:37  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> indeed, nuts only like there owners
20:16:51  <ProZone> <V453000> there
20:16:58  <ProZone> <V453000> there arent nuts trains ...
20:17:12  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> well they look nuts to me
20:17:16  <ProZone> <V453000> xD
20:17:26  <ProZone> <V453000> rails are nuts, trains are dumb as fuck
20:20:58  <ProZone> <Ryton> okay
20:21:05  <ProZone> <Ryton> I'm finally ready for my first station here :p
20:21:31  <ProZone> <Ryton> any preference as to where I should build?
20:21:31  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> do red signals transfer to tunnels?
20:21:33  <ProZone> <Ryton> or just random?
20:21:55  <ProZone> <Ryton> lol tycondemon, that sounds like a quote-worthy question :p
20:22:34  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> I do not understand 09 for now
20:23:00  <ProZone> <V453000> pick any SL Ryton ... presymably anything between 02 and 08
20:23:06  <ProZone> <Ryton> kk
20:23:12  <ProZone> <V453000> idk what do you mean by red signal in tunnels
20:23:26  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> so I can build a random srnw station and it will work out?
20:23:28  <ProZone> <V453000> but signal travels through tunnel just like anyother track
20:23:38  <ProZone> <Ryton> nah, 09 is drop and pickup in same location
20:23:48  <ProZone> <V453000> pretty much, given that the station loads trains fully
20:23:58  <ProZone> <Ryton> so a dummy train drop,s and when it leaves, a pickup train joins the track where the dummy train was
20:24:12  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> that is basic
20:24:35  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> but I dont understand why the trains are moving when
20:25:17  <ProZone> <Ryton> PBS: train goes to WP , truns around and blocks track
20:25:25  <ProZone> <Ryton> put your "reserved tracks" on, in options
20:25:59  <ProZone> <V453000> better visible this way
20:26:13  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> what magic is this!!!
20:26:27  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> ah universial rail
20:26:30  <ProZone> <V453000> as Ryton said, with path reserving showing off, it is easy to see
20:27:44  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> so the dummy train reserves his path to the loader even though it is still loading
20:27:50  <ProZone> <Ryton> yeah
20:28:12  <ProZone> <Ryton> hmm, will have to continue later :p
20:28:34  <ProZone> <Ryton> i built all of 50 tile rails :p
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20:31:37  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> so there are still seperate order for seperate stations?
20:32:55  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> no
20:32:57  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> its 1 station
20:33:15  <ProZone> <V453000> only dummy trains have their orders
20:33:21  <ProZone> <V453000> ML trains all have only drop order
20:34:03  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> and the revers pbs forces them to the side because of penalty
20:34:51  <ProZone> <V453000> what side
20:34:58  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> outer
20:35:08  <ProZone> <V453000> well that is the shifting, yes
20:35:10  <ProZone> <V453000> but you dont need to care about that
20:35:12  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> shifting
20:35:14  <ProZone> <V453000> you just need to make srnw thing :)
20:35:22  <ProZone> <V453000> the ML is done
20:35:26  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> I want to understand what I see
20:35:48  <ProZone> <V453000> that is pretty basic SML, yes
20:35:58  <ProZone> <V453000> plus the timed releasers to it
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20:36:24  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> yes I dont understand thos sub thingies yet
20:37:08  <V453000> @pzg13
20:37:09  <Webster> ProZone Game 13: Timed (aka insane) SML at #openttdcoop -
20:37:15  <V453000> there it is all explained
20:37:47  <ProZone> <V453000> Jam35: your station releases not-full trains
20:38:13  <ProZone> <Jam35> yes
20:38:44  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> so I can pick a SL and build a station of awsomenessL
20:38:46  <ProZone> <V453000> (it is unacceptable because it desynchronizes trains on the ML)
20:38:46  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> ?
20:38:46  <ProZone> <Jam35> having logic problem
20:38:50  <ProZone> <V453000> yes tycoondemon
20:39:00  <ProZone> <V453000> one or several
20:39:07  <ProZone> <Jam35> yes
20:39:10  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> ok
20:39:20  <ProZone> <V453000> only requirement is: send full trains to ML
20:39:23  <ProZone> <V453000> everything else is up to you
20:39:25  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> what is that math at the food processing plant
20:39:43  <ProZone> <Jam35> track length
20:39:45  <ProZone> <V453000> counting synchronizing of the big drop
20:39:55  <ProZone> <V453000> each line doubles in front of the drop
20:40:05  <ProZone> <V453000> because the train density is so brutal that it is impossible to make diagonals with it
20:40:11  <ProZone> <V453000> so it needs doubling before diagonal
20:40:31  <ProZone> <V453000> thus you need exactly the same lengths of both split lines in order to make them re-pack again
20:40:45  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> hmm
20:42:11  <ProZone> <V453000> let me guess Jam35, real trains enter before the blocker can get back again
20:42:22  <ProZone> <V453000> this might help a tiny bit
20:42:25  <ProZone> <V453000> though probably not a lot
20:42:35  <ProZone> <Jam35> no the blocker doesn't block
20:42:38  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> wich sideline is the best?
20:43:21  <ProZone> <V453000> ye
20:43:47  <ProZone> <V453000> this way it should be able to
20:44:01  <ProZone> <V453000> PBS cant go to platforms yet, 2ways dont allow that
20:44:08  <ProZone> <V453000> but 2ways do separate signal block so blocker can go back
20:44:43  <ProZone> <Jam35> hm
20:45:58  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> cl is 5?
20:46:44  <ProZone> <V453000> what do you think with 643 kmh? :)
20:47:08  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> I dont know much about cl only that it used to be at least the train it self
20:47:14  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> then it was ok
20:47:22  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> TL
20:47:28  <ProZone> <V453000> which still applies, nothing changed
20:47:58  <ProZone> <V453000> but if the curve (say, rail 3) allows 160km/h, trains slower than 160 km/h and longer than 3 can still travel in curve 3 in full speed
20:50:14  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> this requires a lot of thought
20:50:16  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> :O
20:50:27  <ProZone> <V453000> it is on pro zone for a reason :)
20:52:09  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> Ill take 8 then
20:52:27  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> this is gonna take a while?
20:52:37  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> I dont know if this game will be on long enough
20:52:59  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> I dont have endless seas of time :S
20:53:54  <ProZone> <V453000> this game will be on until the ML is flooded with trains
20:54:04  <ProZone> <V453000> then we will return to the firs srnw one
20:57:51  <ProZone> <V453000> hahaahahaha
20:57:52  <ProZone> <V453000> evil
20:57:55  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> troll
20:58:21  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> 5 cant be devided by three :(
20:58:35  <ProZone> <V453000> it can
20:58:37  <ProZone> <V453000> result is 0
21:00:01  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> cl is not a must
21:00:12  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> in waiting lines anyway
21:01:22  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> I am still used to left driving trains
21:01:36  <ProZone> <V453000> well, consider that each SL should on average handle 1 fully packed line
21:01:42  <ProZone> <V453000> thus about 2 or 3 not packed lines
21:02:10  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> A lot of oil wells
21:02:28  <ProZone> <V453000> those are just the tool
21:02:30  <ProZone> <V453000> rails are what matters :P
21:03:28  <ProZone> <V453000> omg where did you dig that trap from Jam35? :D
21:03:34  <ProZone> <V453000> trap/gate
21:04:01  <ProZone> <Jam35> somewhere :)
21:04:07  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> where is jam building?
21:04:17  <ProZone> <Jam35> need an or gate methinks
21:04:35  <ProZone> <Jam35> effed it up
21:04:35  <ProZone> <V453000> I dont think so
21:04:41  <ProZone> <Jam35> ok
21:05:19  <ProZone> <V453000> this no worky?
21:05:43  <ProZone> <V453000> well yeah
21:05:49  <ProZone> <V453000> not if they dont get synchronized
21:06:04  <ProZone> <V453000> well,
21:06:24  <ProZone> <V453000> ?
21:07:46  <ProZone> <V453000> you could always also check if all 4 trains are waiting
21:07:52  <ProZone> <V453000> but this should basically work I think
21:08:08  <ProZone> <Jam35> thought I did that :)
21:08:18  <ProZone> <Jam35> then decided to overengineer it
21:08:29  <ProZone> <Jam35> hm
21:08:40  <ProZone> <V453000> DOOM
21:08:47  <ProZone> <Jam35> missed the pbs i guess
21:08:53  <ProZone> <V453000> indeed
21:08:59  <ProZone> <V453000> which is very important
21:09:33  <ProZone> <V453000> it is a bit smaller than presignals
21:09:39  <ProZone> <Jam35> yes wondered why train was repeatedly ignoring red signals
21:09:41  <ProZone> <V453000> but I think it still is unlikely but possible to fail
21:10:08  <ProZone> <V453000> if the 4 trains get so desynchronized that they constantly prevent the blocker from returning
21:10:23  <ProZone> <V453000> for such case it might be nice to make sure all 4 trains are waiting
21:11:38  <ProZone> <V453000> for which I believe it is more suitable to use a different gate
21:12:04  <ProZone> <V453000> want to try or should I do it?
21:12:15  <ProZone> <Jam35> please...
21:12:33  <ProZone> <Jam35> go ahead :)
21:14:19  <ProZone> <V453000> right
21:14:38  <ProZone> <V453000> and now a gate which causes absolute red when green, and passes signal when red ahead
21:16:50  <ProZone> <V453000> which I believe is what this one does
21:17:52  <ProZone> <V453000> see why?
21:18:07  <ProZone> <Jam35> not yet
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21:18:33  <ProZone> <V453000> hu
21:18:40  <ProZone> <V453000> forgotten exit signal :)
21:19:14  <ProZone> <V453000> there are 2 condition
21:19:14  <ProZone> <V453000> s
21:19:18  <ProZone> <V453000> A = dummy loaded
21:19:24  <ProZone> <V453000> B = all trains waiting
21:19:42  <ProZone> <V453000> the logic train at A wont let it to B unless A is complete
21:19:56  <ProZone> <V453000> but if B isnt done, then it will still be red because A does not have any green signal output
21:20:46  <ProZone> <V453000> does that make some form of sense?
21:20:52  <ProZone> <V453000> I tried to describe that in @@ABR09
21:20:53  <Webster> Advanced Building Revue 09: Self Regulating Stations at #openttdcoop -
21:21:16  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> where are you guys building?
21:21:23  <ProZone> <V453000> Tronningdore:
21:21:41  <ProZone> <Jam35> semi-clicking :)
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21:22:00  <ProZone> <Jam35> need to watch it for a bit :)
21:22:06  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> logic in trains is to hard for me yet
21:22:28  <ProZone> <V453000> ABR 09 should explain the chaining of conditions very precisely Jam35
21:22:39  <ProZone> <Jam35> I will check it out
21:22:39  <ProZone> <V453000> tycoondemon: it isnt too easy but try some of the basic stations to start with :)
21:22:45  <ProZone> <V453000> Vinnie built those at SL 01
21:22:52  <V453000> @srnw
21:22:52  <Webster> srnw: Self-regulating Network, see also:
21:23:32  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> I dont want to use an invertor :P
21:23:36  <V453000> try to browse through that too :)
21:23:56  <ProZone> <V453000> why not?
21:24:27  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> I dont like thath moving thingy, its a bit emotional I guess
21:24:34  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> and it limits my options also
21:24:40  <ProZone> <V453000> a lot.
21:25:11  <ProZone> <V453000> only real other option is pbs path reversing
21:25:17  <ProZone> <V453000> reserving
21:25:29  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> like rython?
21:25:39  <ProZone> <V453000> ryton built anything?
21:25:45  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> hmmm
21:25:47  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> I dont know
21:25:57  <ProZone> <V453000> interesting question then :D
21:25:59  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> that station with the pbs thingy an reserved track
21:26:38  <ProZone> <V453000> k lets put names on stations
21:26:48  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> 09
21:26:51  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> is what I meant
21:26:58  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> its by v
21:27:00  <ProZone> <V453000> 09 is tough as hell
21:27:06  <ProZone> <V453000> 10 is ieasier
21:27:16  <ProZone> <V453000> try that
21:27:40  <ProZone> <V453000> 09 has parts of 10 but the parts which arent the same are holy shit complicated
21:27:55  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> I watched 9
21:28:05  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> I like that pbs stuff
21:28:12  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> reserved track thingie
21:28:42  <ProZone> <V453000> look at 10.
21:28:48  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> I did
21:28:58  <ProZone> <V453000> then you can see that it is exactly the same from the most part
21:29:02  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> yes
21:29:10  <ProZone> <V453000> so what is the problem :)
21:29:25  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> I am trying to think of a way how I should do it
21:29:32  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> not exactly copying
21:30:06  <ProZone> <V453000> this is so simple that there is no reason not to copy it
21:30:26  <ProZone> <V453000> and there you go
21:30:41  <ProZone> <V453000> this is 1 platform
21:30:48  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> yes I get that
21:30:58  <ProZone> <V453000> then what is the problem
21:31:04  <ProZone> <V453000> you have your platform design so just build a station
21:31:19  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> I want awesomeness
21:31:29  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> as defined by td
21:31:29  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> :P
21:31:35  <ProZone> <V453000> therefore you are missing?
21:31:42  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> not sure yet :P
21:31:48  <ProZone> <V453000> woman logic
21:31:56  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> you could call it that
21:35:38  <ProZone> <V453000> Chadean Halt is a different station than loading :P might want to unify that
21:37:32  <ProZone> <Jam35> outa here cya
21:37:36  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> bb
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21:38:52  <ProZone> <V453000> couldnt bear the awesomeness
21:39:02  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> probbly
21:39:38  <ProZone> <V453000> im not sure what do you expect the 90degree turn to do though
21:39:52  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> thought so it wouldnt work
21:39:55  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> did in the old
21:42:13  <ProZone> <V453000> only with wrong settings
21:42:16  <ProZone> <V453000> (allowed 90 deg
21:42:26  <ProZone> <V453000> which is possible today, but not really useful
21:42:52  <ProZone> <V453000> also 2 trains cant go there
21:43:02  <ProZone> <V453000> and their exit cant be unified
21:43:04  <ProZone> <V453000> needs 1 for each
21:43:14  <ProZone> <V453000> like that
21:43:17  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> grmf
21:45:42  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> yeah well, get your drift
21:45:52  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> goal is not cool stations, but max line
21:46:02  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> ml pack
21:46:12  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> we need moar stations fast
21:47:55  <ProZone> <V453000> just make any station that works
21:47:57  <ProZone> <V453000> any
21:48:08  <ProZone> <V453000> you dont need to put them together in some fancy way
21:48:14  <ProZone> <V453000> just some
21:51:19  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> I like fancy
21:51:22  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> but I know
21:51:32  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> the awesomeness is in the ML flood
21:53:50  <ProZone> <V453000> there is nothing against fancy, but if you need to learn the basic way how it works, it is a good idea to make the first station simplier without fancy
21:53:56  <ProZone> <V453000> nobody said you cant build a second one
21:54:19  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> that is true
21:54:27  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> I have a narrow view
21:54:29  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> indeed
21:54:40  <ProZone> <V453000> similar example: NUTS 0.0.1 had a ton of bugs, but I still released it. the only way how to progress is to update it with a newer and better version
21:54:54  <ProZone> <V453000> -> start with what you can
21:55:04  <ProZone> <V453000> you will likely build better things in the future
21:55:30  <ProZone> <V453000> especially because often you can discover on the basic station that your idea will not work, needs something else to consider, etc
21:55:30  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> I have sort of the problem of being a perfectionist
21:55:38  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> this is true
21:56:00  <ProZone> <V453000> no you have sort of the problem that you saw what I build and you want to build  it right away
21:56:34  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> well I saw what I liked and didnt like
21:56:36  <ProZone> <V453000> just build what you can, you will learn more that way than speculating for 3 hours
21:58:15  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> this would also wrok right?
22:03:12  <ProZone> <V453000> apart from the tunnel being misaligned yes :P
22:03:18  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> :P
22:03:20  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> fail
22:03:34  <ProZone> <V453000> why that :d
22:03:56  <ProZone> <V453000> but that is just a 2nd row
22:03:58  <ProZone> <V453000> you can add that later
22:07:14  <ProZone> <V453000> :D many :)
22:07:21  <ProZone> <V453000> but thats alright :)
22:07:31  <ProZone> <V453000> awesomeness in the masses counts too
22:13:44  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> industry room
22:14:22  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> I can allways make it less wide
22:17:06  <ProZone> <V453000> +-
22:19:56  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> will a connection overflow the main line?
22:20:03  <ProZone> <V453000> ?
22:20:11  <ProZone> <V453000> only 100
22:20:21  <ProZone> <V453000> fuul trains can go on ml
22:20:31  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> yes I understand
22:20:37  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> but I mean when trains keep coming in
22:20:47  <ProZone> <V453000> when you connect the exit
22:20:54  <ProZone> <V453000> aka at the moment they see it as a valid path
22:21:04  <ProZone> <V453000> back to the drop
22:22:48  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> my connections seems to have fail
22:22:59  <ProZone> <V453000> there are no trains which could go there on that line
22:23:13  <ProZone> <V453000> the outer lines are full first
22:23:27  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> ow right
22:23:37  <ProZone> <V453000> btw, important hint
22:23:47  <ProZone> <V453000> you want to make sure trains join the platforms asap probably
22:23:57  <ProZone> <V453000> and at the same time you will need at least 2 lines in
22:24:00  <ProZone> <V453000> so doing this: is a good idea
22:24:23  <ProZone> <V453000> that way you can put the penalty there
22:24:25  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> because?
22:24:35  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> ow
22:24:58  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> otherwis the wont take the first platform
22:25:06  <ProZone> <V453000> likely so
22:25:20  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> If had the entry at the other side
22:25:24  <ProZone> <V453000> using road crossings would probably be better though
22:25:55  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> so that the shortest curve would be the first platform
22:26:05  <ProZone> <V453000> myeah if you had it the other way it would be better but the penalties are still necessary
22:26:07  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> will the enalties be needed then?
22:26:09  <ProZone> <V453000> yes
22:26:15  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> hmmm
22:26:21  <ProZone> <V453000> and as I said, you need 2 lines in anyway
22:26:21  <ProZone> <V453000> not 1
22:26:23  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> ugly
22:26:23  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> ;P
22:26:25  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> ok
22:26:43  <ProZone> <V453000> but making entrance from the other side is a good idea too
22:26:51  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> why?
22:26:53  <ProZone> <V453000> ofc best idea would be to rotate it 90 degrees
22:26:59  <ProZone> <V453000> because that would help the penalties
22:27:13  <ProZone> <V453000> penalties are cute but having the natural paths shorter is always good
22:27:23  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> well I like sideways because its a big repetitive map sort of map :P
22:27:25  <ProZone> <V453000> and we dont want to havetoo huge penalty
22:27:32  <ProZone> <V453000> ?
22:27:34  <ProZone> <V453000> sideways?
22:28:51  <ProZone> <V453000> this would be best
22:29:32  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> right
22:29:36  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> I do something
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22:36:12  <ProZone> <Mazur> Here's you lot.
22:36:31  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> hmmm
22:36:37  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> tl shit
22:37:16  <ProZone> <Mazur> Only 5, that's not that bad, is it?
22:37:27  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> nah just i made mistake
22:37:30  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> no probs
22:41:59  <ProZone> <Mazur> Interesting technique.
22:44:46  <ProZone> <Mazur> Damn, these trains are hard to touch once they're up to speed.
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23:12:58  <ProZone> <V453000> hmm I will have to go
23:13:01  <ProZone> <V453000> need to wake up early
23:13:08  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> m2
23:13:14  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> its too late
23:13:20  <ProZone> <V453000> gnight then
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23:33:42  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> damn
23:33:44  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> need sleep
23:33:50  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> no more
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